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EPISODE · May 29, 2025 · 30 MIN

The Fight Between Trump and Harvard Continues to Escalate

from Deborah Lebree's podcast · host Deborah Lebree

For Harvard students, this year’s graduation ceremony comes amid an intense standoff between one of America’s most prestigious universities and the United States government.Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The Times, explains how the conflict escalated and what it reveals about how far the administration will go to fulfill its agenda.Guest: Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, covering Washington.Background reading: Harvard leaders see only bad outcomes ahead as they battle President Trump.The Trump administration says it is halting Harvard’s ability to enroll international students.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Sophie Park/Bloomberg Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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