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What my mood is not good. It's not great. It's disco Cara That's right. Those monopolies those job-destroying sociopaths and their billion-dollar beards Well, guess what the greatest source of good in the history of mankind last name Sam first man uncle is coming for their bitch asses That's Tony Montana said say hello to my little friend That's right his little friend.
That's Robin Williams I hope as Robin Williams said to Robert De Niro in awakening fantastic. I'm gonna get all the way up from the coma When you welcome from a coma welcome back FTC and DOJ welcome back as Jeff Ehrenberg said to me in the shower in the ninth Grade after pea when he pointed down and he said what are those and I said testicles and he said well Why don't you use them fantastic the FTC the DOJ have looked at each other and they've said I don't know what are those let's use them Oh my welcome back DOJ Compare it to a penis. Okay. All right.
It's just a lot Kinds of investing at Tori subpoenas Some word thing with that, but it's not a subpoena. It's a subpoena. Thank you. You're learning.
Thank you're learning You drag me down into the like How pathetic is it that that is the best thing that happened to me this way? Oh my god No, we had a book party for you. It's got a traveling to New York to go to you. Thank you.
I was very nice I appreciate that but back to back to this regulation explain for the people what's happening and I wrote a column you insulted You did well first up not a lot has happened This is strange right the DOJ and the FTC have gone on background as far as I can tell to basically say all right This is how we're we're dividing and conquering the FTC is gonna take on Facebook and Amazon and the DOJ is gonna go after Google And then you wrote an article and summarize what kind of your basic points there? You're sort of not a I don't see not a fan of this but you have some concerns because they've been in a coma So what's why now? It's like all the politicians jump on now It's a good, you know soundbite thing and I was wondering what they've been doing while these companies have gathered power And I found a column I wrote a decade ago warning them this of this So I'm sort of like wondering why they suddenly are paying attention and it worries me that they're gonna be too draconian or not do it Right, and I don't mean to say there shouldn't be regulation at all. Mm-hmm So there's a big difference though between regulation and antitrust, right, right?
regulation But antitrust would you know my view we talked a lot about this solve a lot of the problems, right? So I think the way you solve a lot of the privacy a lot of the weaponization of these platforms a lot of the job destruction Is by turning Google into its own entity and in the first strategy meeting of Google as an independent or YouTube is in a company They say I know let's get into search and overnight We have another player maybe 20 or 30% share in the same meeting at Google They say I know let's get into video and maybe one of them decides as a means of differentiating from the other We're gonna go ahead and make this a safe place for your teenagers We're gonna go ahead and decide and come out of the closet as what we've been all along and that is a media company And we're going to in fact have some editorial discretion and decide when people start calling people fags or when they start saying things like someone that white Nationalists aren't that bad that we're just gonna go ahead and pull that content down and and deal with the ramifications And so this I think a lot of the answers on all of them the 60 to 70% come from competition in the DOJ and FDC It's their job to ensure that happens. So I'm actually really optimistic around this You gave me an argument yesterday when we were on the Twitter about why more breaking these things up I'm a little bit nervous about that too. You're on the Elizabeth Warren train on that one.
Oh, she's on my train boss All right, she's literally on my train. No, I was literally like a small portion of her brain is smarter than both of us But together but move along that's fair point. I'm sorry. So what was the point?
You were talking about breaking them up creates economic opportunity for these companies and their investors Well, the markets got it wrong when you know when this was announced earlier in the week big tech combined shut about Summer between 70 and I don't know $90 billion market capitalization And if you were to look empirically at what happens when these companies get busted up We inherently or almost always find it in Bell Labs when AT&T got broken up They were suppressing and sequestering data and optics and sell from the core business because they didn't need to because they were monopoly So PayPal is now worth a lot more than eBay the aluminum companies were worth a lot more separated than they were as the small You know kind of duopoly or oligopoly. So the markets got it wrong the greatest I think one of the greatest creations in shareholder value is gonna happen over the next and I'm already skipping my prediction But I think over the next 90 to 100 in 80 days smart analysts are gonna start to get the pencils out and realize that the Some of the the whole here is less than the sum of its parts and that AWS on its own is one of the ten most valuable companies in the world YouTube gets more innovative that Instagram and WhatsApp are gonna be incredibly valuable companies and the shareholders of the recently broken up companies will Enlarge components of these right so you think it's economically a good idea to break them all up just but the focus is mostly on Google and Facebook Correct. Yeah, yeah, Jason Del Rey in recode had a nice goop about exactly what the FTC was pursuing with regards to Amazon Which are three lines of questioning whether it leads to anything who knows about the filament? Which we've talked about competing against its own sellers and the prime bundling which are you know Amazon has the argument that they're not the biggest retailer by any stretch by by if you put the whole market together So talk a little about Amazon cuz that's the company you you do hold in high regard, but you also have worries about Yeah, the number one recruiter out of my class super smart people I've owned their socks for ten years, but absolutely broken up the the question is whether or not so AWS isn't That's an easy spin and I think Jeff Azos who's sort of you know along the lines of Elizabeth Warren gonna forget more about business strategy Than any of us are ever gonna know I think he'll prophylactically spin AWS and be able to say look I'm breaking myself up hands-off I think the probably the better thing for competition would be as you reference and actually this is Roger McNamee's notion is that they need to get out of the private label business that they shouldn't be competing with their partners even though Macy's JCPenning Sears have all done this just no one does it as well as Amazon it can swap someone out of a brand once they figured out Yeah, what their data you want to energize our door so batteries?
No, we're gonna run a conquest out above that telling you buy Amazon basics or elements batteries for a third of the price It's a big part of their business. I do the whole food too. It's they give you Cheaper prices on the whole food brands, you know and their copies right next to the brand you might why? But I think what I think a more effective spin or if the deal you have to see we're gonna try to start competition would be probably to Force them to spin or create a separate company of Amazon fulfillment.
So logistics. Yeah, they're not to become a competitor of FedEx and UPS And they are right now Are they getting on the moving that way and then because effectively you know what you have is you have a company that is kind of full Funnel has the rails has the train cars and now has the end retailer and is using all of those things that are managing killing everyone else along the way Right Amazon will be interesting and then you brought up yesterday that it probably doesn't work for app. Yeah It's probably should be regulation not any trust because the elegant elegant antitrust is that you oxygenate the marketplace You create a more competitive marketplace, but you unleash shareholder value and that is post the breakup At least in the medium and long-term the shareholders benefit. That's the best type of antitrust really the only losers here shareholders When employees when you see back startups when there's more M&A the markets when there's more competition There's more innovation the only ones that lose here are the CEOs.
They're no longer raining over the seven rounds They're just raining over Westeros, right? But you call them a conglomerate They're all they're not quite the way we think of conglomerates because like Gulf and Esther known like nine different businesses or You know any of these things were constructed differently Yeah, but they're getting there I mean if you look at you know, YouTube Google ways, you know way more whatever it is some of their efforts If you look at the different businesses Amazon is getting into Facebook owns arguably the three largest communications backgrounds in the world And these are multi multi brand multi and all of these companies are bigger than some, you know You could take these four companies and spin them into ten or eleven and those ten or eleven would probably be That's a lot of CEOs. Maybe some women could become CEOs. That would be nice Yeah, but often I kind of give it to themselves as a retention strategy They said oh, let's make go get to call him CEO of Google so we can retain him and he doesn't go somewhere else So actually you end up holding on to people because the other thing that's really killing innovation here Is these companies acquire a company and the best thing is is that it works out And but the second best thing is it dies and they cauterize that branch that could have become a competitor Right and then yankoom and Kevin systrum because of these onerous non-competes non-solicitts that they were paid a Ton of money for that line of innovation of a young person who has another 30 or four years of driving economic value He's basically dead and gone from the corporate world.
It is very hard to do anything Yeah, so I think this is not all around when I'm really hopeful if they don't don't break my heart after you think you're gonna break our heart I think they just they're just I just wonder what caused them right now to do it I want to I want I'd like some great reporting done by whoever covers the FTC Like what happened now when they've been so slow and you know most of the stuff they did around Facebook around the consent degree They didn't it's just it didn't work. So they might have to be pumped drastic I think that's one of those calls we can only call your mother when you promote it on the desk covering the FTC Like mom. I just got a new assignment. I'm covering the FTC.
Oh, that's great. Honey. What's the FTC? But anyways The tech people there was a good story in the time stay about how they're loading up on lobbyists Which they already were like was nothing new, but they're really loading up the the chief of staff of Nancy Pelosi is now Facebook's North America Policy person here sitting right behind mark at one of the hearings So they're really loading up on power lobbyists essentially well Amazon's about to cross triple digits in terms of their lobbyists The fastest growing expense line is in terms of growth isn't cloud.
It isn't R&D. It's lobbying Yeah, so that'll be interesting battle of lobbying people just houses coming along very nicely and by the way No way he just spent 60 million dollars on a total man cave like bachelor pad here in New York Yeah, well you can do that good for him good for him good for him. All right two more one was Trump He suggested a boycott of one of the country's largest telecommunications firms AT&T Because of CNN which he hates fake news blah blah blah and then AT&T and Stock did very well, so it didn't seem to work Yeah, it doesn't it's over using it. Yeah, these attacks on individual companies are not only inappropriate and effective.
They're socialist and that is Oh, talk about that. You tend that rant yesterday. Talk about your socialist. You think he's a socialist Well, there's all this so I went on Fox I told you a couple weeks ago and they were having socialism versus capitalism week which I think is hilarious and by the way I didn't forget the final result something tells me capitalism worked and they like to paint the left the socialist But the reality of socialism is you know the state controls the means of production and then divvies up the spoil So when Donald Trump is bullying a company or an air conditioning company into creating more jobs or bringing jobs back to Michigan That's socialism child labor laws are socialism minimum wage of socialism.
Everybody is on a spectrum every economy is on a spectrum And what you have the worst with Trump is yet the worst kind of socialism and that is you have cronyism terrorists are highly socialist Yeah, that is okay We're gonna find a certain industries and not other but yeah He's definitely he's definitely waiting into those waters in the notion that we can start telling companies how to behave and quite frankly I didn't think it was appropriate for Bernie Sanders to show up at the Walmart manual shareholder I just thought that was playing a simple grand standing. Yeah, but look this is socialism when the president And the senator from Vermont to start deciding to pick individual companies to go after what they're supposed to do is govern and create laws You know that create more robust ecosystem for all of us, but yeah, anyways, I think I think that is socialist socialist Socialist noticing that Nancy Pelosi is telling the democrats. He wants to see Trump in prison. So she's them.
I didn't see that It's gonna get very pretty in the next thing then. How could you discern his hair from his outfit? That's true, but he was also talking Bette Midler from London after he visited the Queen the whole thing Who doesn't like Bette Midler? He went off on her on Twitter on the Twitter because she made a mistake as a dumb mistake I think she's an excellent Twitter by the way, but Miller.
She's really funny. What's the movie where her friend dies? Oh, oh, the wings. Oh Yes, it's a it's a good movie.
She's good and everything she does her piano player when she started out what? Oh, the gay bar gave us the gay bass. No, no, no, one of the great like one of the most underrated stars incredible touring performer Yeah, that's right. That's right.
That's right. He was a pianist. So it was a very good pair of them doing that the case Or in front of everything. Just so you know, just know Scott.
Good to know. Good to know. Good to know. Define everything.
Everything and now the lesbians are in charge of everything. There you go. All right So we're gonna take an ad break and then we'll get back with wins and fails There's quite a few of them this week, and then your predictions. I want you to go into that more I want to hear a rant about that.
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Just you're an odd dog Cara Swisher I was just trying to a nerve you that's all you have a beautiful apartment was very nice lunch Let's get to our winds and fails. I thought that was a win on my part frankly that I invaded your space and made you feel uncomfortable That was my good. I was comfortable. It was just I know some something weird going on there Anyway in any case what are your wins and losses?
What's what's a win for you this week? Yours is more interesting you start alright I have a win on a fail together, which is YouTube We're gonna have Susan Wojcicki who's the CEO of YouTube at code in a few days which you're coming to on Monday We're gonna do an interview Peter Kafka is gonna do it and they had several controversies But one of the things is they moved a lot of extremist stuff off the platform Which you think is in response to this federal Investigations and stuff like that his YouTube is really the one of the bigger problems for Google and then they had a back forth with a Vox employee Carlos Mazza He's been badly treated by this channel by Steven Crowder where he was just harassing He was harassing him personally. He's Carlos's gay and just was making all kinds of horrible remarks I showed him to you. He also wears a t-shirt that's a socialism is for fags t-shirt in many of his videos and his followers have docked Mazza in the past and so Mazza complained it rose to level of Susan I think and so first they decided to back Crowder and say what he was doing was offensive But not against their rules and then they decided to demonetize him and then they weren't clear about it Because he was making a lot of his monies for these t-shirts that he was selling all the merch essentially And so they then pulled that until he changes his way is essentially and I'm not very clear on that So it was a really it was a win and fail because it shows how hard it is to deal with these things at the same time They have real live repercussions because a lot of Crowder's followers jumped to Twitter to give him death threats and things like that So now Susan was just in charge of Twitter that's Jack Dorsey But these things bleed all over the place and so you know these this is gonna happen again and again with these companies So we talked about that it was really really problematic and lots of levels especially for Carlos Yeah, and there's there's what's interesting is that the timing here in terms of YouTube Newfound concern around this and that is as opposed to throwing up their arms and saying it's a platform and people have a right to be offensive Etc and we're not a media company and that is Gary Reebak the lawyer who led the antitrust action against Microsoft in the 90s said that It's not the actual antitrust action But the public scrutiny of the company wants antitrust to set in motion And that's largely an excuse because I don't think he got it across the whole line and Microsoft was never actually broken up But there is some value there, and I don't think it's any accident that 48 hours after Very complex change in their policies But I don't think it's a change.
I'm not sure it's that complex I think we've been co-opted into believing this is much more difficult than it is And I think there's some basic rules that if someone is being mocked it could potentially result in violence and this kind of this kind of mockery Can spin up violence in my view and it's based on something that they can't control their ethnicity their sexuality You just don't engage in that and you overcorrect her I don't know what the term is you err on the side of caution and this notion that we need free speech I'm not sure that's really adding to the dialogue. It's not discourse around provoking interesting thought or moving us forward This isn't I don't see what's so complex about this call To be able to say anything and it's he was kidding. He's very interesting I was watching a lot of them and they're totally offensive, but he cues to like that. He's a comic I think he is a comic, but it's a really interesting He's very clever, you know, he's not like Alex Jones was so bad at it You could see him violating the rules, but this guy is really clever He's just totally offensive and harassing, but he doesn't know It's just it's he's he makes it's people like him are a problem for YouTube to figure out even though they have real life Or precautions on someone like Carlos and so it's so what they're doing is these people are gaming the system as it's built And so it's very hard for anybody to get relief when this is happening and it happened with Milo whatever his name is Leslie Jones and what they have to do is they make these one-off decisions like that Maybe high-profile, but how do you have a rule because you know?
I've heard dozens of different things each of one you could have in a whole ethics seminar on what to do So but here's the thing the best processor or decision framework for this is something very expensive and it's called human nuance And these companies don't want to invest in that and then your times mixies calls all the time Fox makes these calls all the time And they get them wrong all the time, but they mostly get them right and they don't throw up their arms and say oh We're a platform, right, right? It's you made the point about them being smaller too because everyone someone wrote a piece about something I said which was take down the policy like you should I said essentially down a column two weeks ago I guess and the times and someone wrote a piece saying you know Fox News got away with a Pelosi video and and was saying so I made the point that most media companies wouldn't do this and they said Fox got away with there would be repercussions But you made an excellent point I wish I was as smart as you that there's so much smaller You know these these TV networks as big as they seem are so much smaller than the big social networks like Facebook And it doesn't really matter what they do compared to a Facebook Well, even if you look at the election Basically if you look at the people on Twitter and you look at MSNBC and Fox that's about 11 or 12 million people are sort of controlling the debate around politics Right now, we have 350 million people in this country If you look at what it was a fair point logically the topology around the argument makes sense and that is well Fox mocks Pelosi runs the same video They're so why aren't they held at the same standards and so that is a fair point But when Fox puts it out it's immediately in public view and usually there's some sort of pushback that affects them from advertisers And it's sort of screened and starched or not starched fairly quickly and Fox the most viewed network in America reaches 2.4 million people average age 67 A 30-year-old accidentally turns on Fox that means someone a hundred and four is watching anyways Let's let's look at the damage there 2.4 million people when Facebook runs a doctored video of Pelosi showing that she is potentially impaired It goes to 1.4 billion monthly active users or daily I think 1.4 billion people across our networks now log on daily So you literally have 50 times the potential harm, but we couple that with less regulation and scrutiny than it's applied to our traditional media companies So what do we have here Cara? We have exponentially more damage much less the fact that it goes to people individually and they can spread it faster and farther So you have 50 x the damage with what 10% of the scrutiny the algorithms here or the ratio of discretion and justice are totally out of proportion And then Carla some of the cars has no like these dots this doxing this death threats That's just you know and the problem is that they can do that they move like a mob Like I don't go buy into the total mob mentality of it, but in this case there's no way to adjudicate between them So it's an interesting problem. We'll talk about it with Susan.
What is your wins and fails? So just just to finish up on this I think this stuff is hard But something I tell my kids when I say my kids I mean my students I think every organization and every person has to have a code around this stuff And I I go after I go after people professionally, but it begins to weaken to personal because I'm angry and inappropriate Right. So I'm guilty of this. I attack people personally And what I've decided is I need a code around this and my code is following and you know My code is around personal attacks because some of these attacks do feel personal Let's be honest is they have to be more powerful than me And when when those guys start going after this individual and they go after munison and they're using their network and they're they're jumping platforms They are going after someone who is less powerful than them and that means in my opinion that they lack code I don't think personal attacks should be off limits where individuals I think people should be shamed but everyone has to have a code around this stuff and a decent place to start is you don't attack people less powerful than you Yep, that's true.
I think you're right. Um, all right win and fail for you, honey Okay, so my win FTC and doj. I know I've harped on this but there used to be on average 20 to 30 any trust actions in the 80s Now there's two or three a year I think that the it's very easy to be cynical about government employees some of the finest legal minds in the world Go to work at the doj and the ftc and I think there are so many of them And I think they are so much character and expertise that they will outlast any administration Left but you know welcome back and I really and again don't break my heart. I hope this really amounts to something It's already having a positive impact.
So that's that's my win. All right. What you have a fail? Yeah, my fail was I thought Bernie Sanders grandstanding at the Walmart meeting was a bit of a fail And that is if Bernie and the rest of the Senate want to do something that would have a more effective change That is to is federal regulation and a law around substantially increasing minimum wage Right Bernie Sanders grandstanding just goes together right?
That's right. That's redundant You have a great impression of Bernie. Yeah, I can't do it right now, but that sounds like Barney Frank I have to I have to I have to like practice. He's just I'm sorry You're not a big born has taken his area.
She's moving in fast. She's so smart. No, she's the lady geek is what she is No, no, she's the lady Gaga like literally Madonna sits around and whenever she's lady Gaga She's like that bitch lady Gaga little came in and said I'm gonna be Madonna times three I'm gonna see the hotter people back to not Madonna now, but that's like Elvis older and Elvis younger Madonna broke so many amazing barriers for people and did so much as Donge. I'm not gonna sell them Madonna Oh my god.
I just literally I go home. I listen Madonna put on those bad dance moves and I am happy I'm just telling Madonna does not deserve your insults. I'm sorry. No lady Gaga just basically came in and You know the large shoulders because she was wearing shoulder pads, but where those those military outfits that she liked metaphor I'm just anyway Walmart back to Walmart Walmart's in a bit of a tough spot most labor is largely driven on supply and demand dynamics But unfortunately in our economy when you let you outsource the decisions around your labor wages to supply and demand you end up with 33% of American children living a household that's on food stamps And you know so there's something wrong here and Henry Ford decided even though I have a line around the block for people who will work for two bucks an I'm gonna pay them five because I have to support the middle class But one more that's such an enormous company and you know, they're the largest private employer in the world Then any 10 cent increase in their wage substantially hit earnings and they worry about going into a desk viral in terms of their stock and not having the capital to compete with Amazon so Doug McMillan who I think is is an incredibly talented and empathetic executive It said look raise a minimum wage that way our customers have more money and we can't afford to pay our people more and we can't disarm unilaterally We just can't right Bernie you're coming down here But are you gonna show up at every shareholder meeting and try and shame them because these guys again don't want to disarm unilaterally and raise their costs faster than other discount retailers So I thought Senator Sanders is my my lose raise the minimum wage boss.
You're in the Senate. Yeah, do it all the states have done He's never doing anything. He never doesn't have like any legislation to his right is that right? He's not considered Honestly, he just talks like you know, who's his lady Gaga is AOC.
She's an excellent grandstander She doesn't beautifully she did several times this week on a number of things with an FDI agent She took him apart and she did on something else. She's excellent at it. She asks just the right questions So yeah, she's very good. She's a lady Gaga.
By the way, I have a story about AOC and an aunt Okay, I was at that fancy Vox dinner the guys threw up by Southwest and I'm like, oh my gosh I saw her and him sitting next to each other I'm like, I gotta go meet them and I started walking towards them and they're both so hot It was like a shark repellent and I couldn't get near them. I'm like, I can't infect them with my ugly I literally got so intimidated by his hair and her perfect skin. I couldn't get near them. I'll somehow make the introduction Oh my god, they're beautiful.
I'm gonna make the I have things that might be so I'll make the introduction. That is crazy Let's talk about a layer prediction take Facebook Google and Amazon You're about to see a $30 to $100 billion increase in market capital next 90 days is analysts begin doing a hard serious Analysis of a breakup and some of the parts analysis, which is actually greater in terms of valuation than they are now So the markets got it wrong look at these stocks to go up somewhere between five and twelve percent over the next 90 days Once well regarded analysts, you know the Mark Mahini's of the world start coming out and saying you know what they got broken up the shareholders benefit Well, that is a guy like that. It's very smart Scott. I'm gonna compliment you this man.
It's a little bit more Anish it's very you I'm glad you're away from Pete Buttigieg and you're back to the smart lady although He's very smart too. So Michael Bennett's you like all the smart ones IQ is a new black Like he's a new black what is IQ IQ is the new black, okay? There you go. All right, I'm so glad we started on the nether regions of Scott Galloway and moved on to something more intelligent But it's time to go and a few days we'll be together a code conference So we're gonna do a live pivot, which is gonna be fun.
So I'll see you there in Arizona where it's 104 Okay, is it really 104, but it's a dry heat. Yes, good thing. You have no hair. Good.
Thank God. Thank God I'll see you in the Southwest is Megan McCain coming is Megan McCain coming no, no I think of Arizona. I think of her. No.
Sorry. Okay. Sorry. I want to be came there You want to what I want a McCain there bring a McCain.
I have no I think I know about Arizona I'm gonna sail in the USS John McCain. So Trump doesn't show up. Anyway, Camila Salazar produced our show today. Nishat Kerwa is pivots executive producer Thanks also to Eric Johnson.
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