The Future of Learning at Human Scale with Pascale Quester S11E1 (110)

In this episode of The Learning Future Podcast, Louka Parry speaks with Professor Pascale Quester, Vice-Chancellor and President of Swinburne University of Technology, about what higher education must become in an age of AI, rapid change and growing complexity. Pascale challenges the deep conservatism that still shapes education, arguing that universities must move beyond inherited models like lectures and exams and instead rethink assessment, learning and capability from the ground up. Together, they explore the role of productive struggle in learning, the difference between friction that supports growth and friction that blocks access, and why authentic assessment matters more than ever.The conversation also examines Swinburne’s bold strategic direction, including its focus on personalised learning, technological infusion, entrepreneurial thinking and global relevance without simply replicating itself everywhere. Pascale makes a compelling case for a more human-centred, adaptive and differentiated university model—one that builds resilience, welcomes discomfort, and prepares learners not just with knowledge or skills, but with the capacity to keep learning for life. At its core, this episode is a powerful reflection on unlearning, transformation and the future of universities in a world that urgently needs stronger, wiser and more capable humans.