The Future of Work Depends on One Human Skill We Ignore (Ft. Jen Fisher)

For years, we've been told burnout is something individuals need to fix with better habits, stronger resilience, or another meditation app. But what if we've been asking the wrong question? In this episode, former Deloitte Chief Well-Being Officer and author of Hope is the Strategy, Jen Fisher shares why burnout is often the outcome of broken workplace systems—not broken people. Together, we explore hope as a practical leadership strategy, why organizations continue admiring the data instead of changing behavior, how AI is reshaping humanity at work, and why the next generation may be our greatest reason for optimism. Show Partners: Get your MENTAL FITNESS BLUEPRINT here! A special thanks to our mental fitness + sweat partner Sip Saunas Personal Socrates: Better Question, Better Life   Connect with Marc: https://konect.to/marcchampagne   Timestamps: 00:00 — The question that opens every interview: "Who are you?" 01:25 — Burnout forced Jen to redefine success 03:40 — Becoming one of the world's first Chief Well-Being Officers 08:00 — Why every large organization needs someone responsible for well-being 12:00 — We've collected enough data. Now we need strategy. 16:15 — Why AI can't replace hope 17:00 — Hope isn't wishful thinking 20:15 — The three components of Hope Theory 23:00 — Burnout is becoming a systems problem—not an individual problem 26:00 — What employees can actually control 31:00 — Building the business case for well-being at Deloitte 36:45 — Which industries are making progress 41:00 — Jen's non-negotiables for mental fitness 42:15 — AI, humanity and the future of work 45:00 — Why young people give Jen hope * Special props 👇 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.