The Gnostic Pleroma, plus Children of the Fullness reading

This week I appeared as a guest on Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio. I’m going to make that YouTube video this week’s episode. The interview went well and the viewers like it very much, judging by their Comments of the episode. I’m including the YouTube link here on the transcript. The episode is called “What Is The Gnostic Pleroma? ”The episode lasts an hour and a half. People in Comments said it was their favorite episode from Aeon Byte. Seemed to cause quite a positive stir among the viewers.It’s funny, when the interview was over and we were saying our goodbyes, I failed to say “onward and upward” to Miguel and he noticed and called me out on it. He wanted to hear the blessing! Isn’t that sweet?On this Aeon Byte appearance I also give a reading of my new kiddie book “Children of the Fullness: A Gnostic Myth.”I encourage you to go watch it and let me know what you think.All of my gnostic books are available for purchase on amazon.com. I always price my book as low as amazon will allow in order to make them more accessible to the greatest number of people.PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW ON AMAZON!Thank you,ONWARD AND UPWARD! AND GOD BLESS.cydHere’s the YouTube transcript of the interview below.My name is Miguel Connor and I am still your pompatus of Gnosis– that man across the waters of creation. And good to see everybody on this moon day. And very excited today because we will be discussing a topic that is very important and often uh misunderstood about Gnosticism and that is the pleroma. And I can’t think of anybody better to engage in this conversation than our guest Dr. Cyd Ropp. She will be discussing her new work, Children of the Fullness: A Gnostic Gospel. And of course, we will touch upon the great ideas from her other recent book, A Simple Explanation of the Gnostic Gospel. And yeah, check it out. Definitely check it out if you’re looking for a good audio book. I do the narration and you will be taken on an amazing Gnostic journey of awakening that is useful for you.Cyd, thank you very much as always for coming to the virtual Alexandria.My pleasure. I always like to be here. Thanks, Miguel.We always like to have you here. Life the the world is better. Well, the world is the world, but at least uh the psyche is better. And with us, too, we got Mr. Graham Pong. Graham, how are you doing on a Monday? Are you Garfield or something other? Oh, no. I’m something other. I’m definitely uh this week I’m much more a fan of one of my favorite uh existential philosophers, Alfred E. Newman. You know “what me worry?” seems to be the answer to this mad world we’re in.Exactly. Exactly. There are answers and you got to find them where you find them. Again, I keep quoting Julian of Norwich. “All shall be well and all shall be well and all manner things shall be well.” It’s going to be okay. And certainly Cyd’s work and mining the Valentinian Tripartite Tractate tells us that.So uh well where do we start? First we want to look at your new book. We’ll talk about the pleroma but first Children of the Fullness. This is something you’ve been working for on for a long time, right Cyd?Well, one of my listeners, I also have a podcast– Gnostic Insights– and one of my listeners suggested a children’s book. She’s a young mom, little kids. She goes, “I can’t find any Gnostic children’s books.” And I believe that I have written the first ever Gnostic kiddie book. And it’s ironic because people have this idea–and of course the way a lot of gnosticism is presented, it is very labyrinthian– but they have this idea that gnosis is impossible to achieve or it’s so difficult how can we grasp it? And I have actually simplified it down to uh well the book is 34 pages long but it’s double page spreads like kiddie books are. It’s a big size book and so it’s actually simplified down to only 17 story boards that aged 2 to eight can understand. And really, their parents. I’m thinking they’re the ones that are going to be sapping it up the most—the people that are reading this book to the kids. So, it’s very exciting to be able to produce a book in a cartoon type of way for little ones that’s true.Brilliant idea. Love it. Love it so much. And what’s was the process? I mean, your process was to even simplify it more while it’s still understandable. The script. Yeah. How did you find an artist? What was the process?Okay, I’ll tell you the whole thing. First of all, the whole simple thing because I want to mention that to people. I believe in simplicity. Truth is simple. The more excess verbiage you slap on it, generally the further it wanders from the simplicity of truth. And the most profound truths are the simplest. So whenever I write anything, I’m not only thinking of writing to us humans, I think of my dog as if I were trying to teach my dog gnosis. What could that dog understand? Or a flower. What does a flower know of God and the Fullness? And so I simplify all gnosis down to what all of us creation creatures– the second order powers—that we’ll talk about when we talk pleromas– that any second order power can understand. So, to simplify the Gnostic gospel down to a 2 to 8 year-old level is no big deal because it just simplifies it even more clearly.So what I did was I took the Tripartite Tractate of the Nag Hammadi– and that is a Valentinian book. Uh it doesn’t have a lot of the extraneous mythologies that most of the other books of the Nag Hammadi have. It’s more of a point A to point Z type of book and a roll out of cosmology. So I just took the Tripartite story of the fall of the Aeon known as Logos. His splitting into two. He flees back up to the Fullness and his egoic self that caused the fall in the first place stays down below and that becomes the god of this universe. The Demiurge. Anyway, I didn’t want to use big words and nonfamiliar gnostic words in the telling of the text. So I don’t use words like Aeons, Fullness, hierarchy, demiurge. I make them words that people are more familiar with because I’m assuming this is going to be a non-gnostic audience that just kind of bumbles across this kids book. I’m hoping. And so I call the Aeons angels to simplify things. And I just call the demiurge the dark twin. And it just goes like that.I found an artist on Fiverr. You know, the Fiverr app. We know Fiverr because we’re tech people, but most people that I talk to don’t know what Fiverr is. And if you don’t out there who are listening, Fiverr is like Uber, only instead of calling for a car, you’re calling for an artist or a composer or an illustrator of some sort. So, I put a notice on Fiverr that I wanted a children’s book illustrator. And then I looked at all of their samples and I picked a guy, a wonderful guy in Indonesia. And he was very helpful, barely spoke English. But we got the points across and I think he has drawn a beautiful book that completely illustrates the gnosis I was trying to get across.Awesome. That’s the story. Great job.And now it’s on Amazon now as an ebook Kindle and as a paperback, but I wanted it in hardback too so that libraries would stock it. So I had to go to a different printer than Amazon because they won’t do an 8” by 8” children’s hardback book. So I had to go to a different printer and now I’m pushing it through– talk about labyrinthian– I’m pushing it through these various types of outlets that librarians use and trying to get it on shelves. That’s the plan.Awesome. Yeah. Very excited. Yeah, very excited indeed. So I guess the question as uh we move on — would be what is the pleroma? I mean traditionally obviously to geek out uh the Valentinians of course saw Paul’s writings and they thought oh my god it’s full of cryptic symbolism and you know, you know like we do watch a band we see and we read a book and it may be cryptical and we go gaga over it. We all do it. But to the Valentinians, Paul had this amazing secret symbolism. And when they would say, you know, Christ is the Fullness of God incarnate. You know, the pleroma Fullness. And it appears in Ephesians, Colossians, they’re like, what is this? What is this Fullness? It must be the divine realm. And they saw it as, you know, the capacities of God, the mind of God, the potentials. And other Gnostics, the Sethians would call it the eternal realm. and the Manichaeans the treasury of light and so it became, again to simplify, like the hermetics it’s the capacities of the mind of God– the potentials and personhood– god knowing his own aspects and flowing out in this perfect realm until Logos or Sophia had other plans.They were going to disrupt the first kingdom or they were going to rebel. But is that it? Or tell us how you see the pleroma.Sure, except I don’t think of that. Well, you know, I’m not a historian. I really don’t even like history much. I am a philosopher and I look at the works themselves. So, when I read the Tripartite Tractate, what I see are the truths behind what Paul wrote, not derivative from Paul. I think that they go side by side. I actually think it should be one of the books of the Bible of the New Testament. And it fits right there between the last book of the Old Testament and the first book of the New Testament. It squeezes into that space as far as time and thoughts go. So what the pleroma means is the Fullness of God. And yes, the Fullness of God is referred to throughout the New Testament especially. But I think when they, when the Nicene Council stripped the Valentinianism out of the New Testament, it took away what it meant.So actually, and that’s not the only term in the in the New Testament where we’ve lost the actual intent of meaning of Fullness. And it doesn’t just mean, oh, God is great. God is full. God is so big and ungraspable. That’s not what Fullness means. The pleroma is the– Okay, so God wanted to be known. It says that throughout the Bible. God, and we’re talking about the God above all gods, by the way. We’re not talking about the God of this world or the God of the Old Testament. We’re talking about the Father. And I believe that when Jesus referred to the Father or when he wanted us to pray “My Father who art in heaven,” or the ethereal plane, he’s talking about the ultimate consciousness, the ground state of everything. But God is illimitable and omnipotent and everywhere and knows everything. There’s no way we can know God. But God wants to be known. God doesn’t want to be up there all alone. So God emanated a monad, a person of himself. And in Christianity, that’s called the Son. It’s simply the emanation or the encapsulation of the otherwise illimitable God. And so the Son is also though the first pleroma. He’s the Fullness. And this moment– there’s no time in the ethereal plane — but the instant that the Son was emanated from the Father, he split into all of his variables is what we would call it in math or science nowadays. So he wasn’t just a single monad. He was an infinite array. And this is where I differ from a lot of the other gnostics. They think there are is x number of Aeons, but there’s not. It doesn’t make any sense. The Father is infinite. The Son is infinite in his capacity and in his scope. So if you differentiate infinity, well there’s an infinite number of differentiations. And so I think that there are, in the Fullness of God, an infinite number of differentiations.And at first they were one. They were coexistent with the Son and they had no self-identity at all. So that really didn’t do the Father much good. Yeah, he’s sitting there. The Son and the Father are glorifying each other, but that doesn’t go anywhere. And so they wanted to emanate and that’s how we come into being. But we’re down downstream a bit. So the Fullness that first differentiated didn’t have self-awareness but in their giving glory to the Son and the Father– or the first emanation and the ground state of consciousness if you don’t like the word Son and Father, that is really immaterial what the words are– it’s the concepts that count. Alright, anyway, as soon as the Fullness became self-aware then all those infinities of fullnesses or totalities, made themselves into a hierarchy. And a hierarchy looks like a pyramid just because that’s what a hierarchy looks like. The higher the fewer.[note to readers—I’m going to stop editing and correcting the AI at this point because I don’t have time today to edit another 29 pages of YouTube AI mistakes. Read on if you care to, or switch to watching the episode on You Tube. BTW, note how many errors remain and, mind you, I’ve already spent an hour making global changes using the Replace function in Word for Windows for all of the words that appeared in the first five pages of transcript. This is why Aeon is spelled right and gnostic and pleroma, etc etc etc.]Can we put up the little slide? Oh, I’m I’m looking at a picture of a pyramid down here on your on your desk.Yeah. Let me put it up for the audience. Where is Here you go. There you go. Okay. So this is how I conceive of theoriginal hierarchy of the Fullness of God. And this is supposed to represent an infinity of a Aeons. Aeo ns. Andthat’s one of the mistakes that that’s one of the words that’s been lost out of Christianity. When they use the word Aeonin the New Testament, they translate it as a unit of time, but it isn’t necessarily a unit of time.It’s just as likely to be a unit of consciousness. And that’s a very exciting concept. So these Aeons are allconscious self-aware beings who have a place, an identity, a job to do. They’vegot neighbors on either side. They know where they are, who they belong to, andwhat their job is. And they sorted themselves. Hierarchy is not a nastyword. They they sorted themselves. My feet do not feel less important than myhead. I need my feet just as much as my head. So anyway, so that’s the originalFullness. Your head’s not exploiting your feet with taxes and saying that’s right. That’s right.That that comes out of the demiurgic imitation of these things. So here we have a picture of theoriginal hierarchy of the Aeons of God or the Fullness of God. And this isencapsulating the entire entirety of the Son of God. And then right up there onthe very top is a fractal of the Fullness of God in the Tripartitetrackct date. The Aeon who is the top Aeon, the last Aeon to be produced, themost perfect and complete. He had miniatures of all the other Aeons of theFullness of God within his own pleroma. So you’re seeing a pleroma of and in inour Tripartite tractate reading of the gnostic gospel that is called Logos.That top the capstone of the pyramid is Logos and that’s his fractal pleromasitting on top of the great pleroma of the Fullness of God. So those are calledthe first order of powersand everything. Everything is well until it wasn’t. Right.That’s right. That’s right. All is good. And they’re in complete harmony even though they have identities which meansthey have egos. And ego isn’t necessarily a bad name. It’s just your identity. It’s like an address in aname. It doesn’t have to mean I’m an Aeon with a name and I’m full of myself. No, it’sjust I’m this Aeon and I sit right about in the middle and I’ve got these neighbors and this is my job. That’s allit meant. So, uh so that’s that’s thefirst order of powers. All right. And then well then as theysay what went wrong? I mean we’re talking about the definition of nostism which is outdated because Hans Jonasassumed there had to be a Sophia. This is pre- Nagamadari library but as we can seeSophia isn’t the cause of the fall in this one in this no Logos is the cause of the fall butLogos means all knowledge all knowledge and logic thinking the ability to have wisdomand Sophia means wisdom they’re both Greek words so I believe that they are interchangeable concepts they are theAeon with the wisdom who is elevated to the top position and ofThis came down in a fractured form into Christianity as Lucifer, the angel oflight who’s sitting at the top who falls. So, Logos because in my way ofinterpreting events and I’m the one that’s calling Logos his pleroma as fractals because it saysin the uh Tripartite trackct date that Logos did containall of the others within him only smaller lesserbut he was given wisdom and of course has free will because all Aeons have free will because everything that proceedsfrom the originating consciousness has free will and we are all from theoriginating consciousness. So we have all of the attributes of the Father. We have love, we haveconsciousness, we have free will, we have entityand uh Logos made a mistake. He was trying to do a good thing in theuh in the in the Tripartite track day. It’s it’s it’s the only book I believeof the Nag Hammadi that says ah you know don’t condemn the Aeon who fell becausehe his fall was necessary to bring about the next order to come. So apparentlyit was in the Aeons’s minds. They’re sitting there dreaming of this place,this creation. They they conceived of everything that would ever come to be because they are after all the mind ofGod. Mhm. And so he’s a fractal of that and he thought of it too, but he didn’t realizehe was supposed to stick on top of the pleroma and just be like the the head ofit. He thought he could do it all by himself. So he overreached. He tried to bring the Fullness to the Father andplug directly back into the Father the way the Son does because the Son still plugs into the Father but everybody elseis further away because if we were to pl if you and I were trying to plug backinto the Father we would be annihilated is the word used in the Tripartitetractate so it’s not a good idea he tried to plug in the Father said no you will be annihilated push him back outAnd instead of going back to his place in the Fullness, he fell. And it is thatis the fall. Not Adam and Eve. The fall is when the Aeon fell from the etherealplane out into what? Nothingness. And now that becomes our materialuniverse, the cosmos. Exactly. And then so of course now we wehave the rescue operation. Yes. The rest of your operation of little Logos. Poor little Logos.That’s right. Logos is out. He’s He fell. He cracked open like uhHumpty Dumpty. Humpty Dumpty. That’s right. And um his pleroma was no longer in that neat andtidy hierarchical arrangement and it just spilled out all over the place andit wouldn’t obey him. Logos is trying down there saying, “Come on back. What are you doing? Where you going?” Andthey just go, “Ah, screw you.” And they just went rolling on their merry way. And he couldn’t get them back. And hewas horrified. Logos was horrified. And so children, children, this isso he actually abandoned them. He he couldn’t get anything done. So because the rescue operation was initiatedthough by the Fullness of God, they pulled him back up. He didn’t get back up on his own. The Fullness prayed forhim and Logos went back up. And thenaltogether Logos and the Plleoma prayed for salvation for the mess that had beencome into existence down below and for the ego of Logos which stayed down belowuh which has been given the name the Demiurge. And they want to save theDemiurge because he’s part of Logos. He needs to be reunited. And so that’s therescue operation. Clean up this material mess and bring the Demiurge back uphigh. And then everything that came of that except the shadows and theimitations that didn’t exist from the beginning, but everything from the beh everything from the beginning will goback up into the ethereal plane. Mhm. No, makes sense. And then but uh wehumans are this as you say or as the tripart tract is said we’re the secondorder powers. We’re different. Okay. Right. Yes. The the next pleromathe second economy it’s called. The first economy is that first plurleof the Aeons and Logos. The second economy is down here now in the materialcosmos. And we living creatures with consciousness,with love, and with the power of the Fullness. We were fruited like a like aslime mold. We were fruited down here into this otherwise completely deadcreation down below because the split off ego of Logos that stayed down belowthe demiurge has no power from God. It doesn’t have the consciousness or thedirect flow. It’s a flow of consciousness directly from the Father through the Son through the hierarchy ofthe Fullness that being the uh first order of powers and then we were fruited down here andwe’re the second order of powers. Every living thing, everything that is germinated and grows.The demiurge can’t grow anything. All he can do is put broken things together and we call that matter. We call thatmaterial. Sounds like my ego in relationships. Well, we are Good point though. We’refractals of the whole fall. We’re fract Everything’s fractally nested. It’s allfractals. So everything we say about Logos and the demiurge, Logos and hisfallen twin happens to us too because we as children of God, we have the Fullnessinside of us. there. Our little oam and our little sperm have the Fullness ofGod and they get together and we are now channeling the Fullness of God and thelove and consciousness. So we have the Fullness of God. We’re born with remembrance. We’re called those of thegood thought, those of the remembrance. Whereas matter has no remembrance. It isnot of the good thought. It was of an egoic overreach.So yeah, we can identify the Logos and the demiurge because they are parts ofus. Matter of fact, we second order powers. Although we came with the purity of thefirst order powers within us, that’s our big S self. I call it not our big assself, but our big S self. Uh uh that’s our, you know, our ourgolden self inside. That is the god inside of us. But we are melded to thismaterial world when we come in. Obviously that little spark of life. Youdo you know that when a have you heard this Miguel that when a sperm fertilizes an OAM a spark of a photon of light isemitted? I have. Yes. That’s that’s really a fascinating thought, isn’t it? Yeah. So, so we’ve got this uh uh lifeand light inside of us, but then we’re slapped onto these molecules as we growupward with our molecular bodies. And so, we are part Demiurge and we arepart uh Fullness of God. And that’s that good angel bad angel business and why wereach down instead of looking up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, interestingcomment. I just my questions are are we saved by his blood sacrifice on the cross or is that a demonic lie? So,tripart track. Who is Jesus? Who’s big J? All right, I’ve got this phone. Jesus.This darn phone. Okay. Jesus is the second order embodimentof Christ. Christ and Jesus are notex they Jesus embodies Christ. Jesus is the only second order power to everfully embody Christ. So he was born that’s why the whole bit about uh partGod part man Jesus.The blood I always wondered about the blood. I mean that that’s been one of the things I have contemplated all of mylife as I’ve walked with Jesus and I have walked with Jesus since I was about 5 years old. So I’m walking with theman. I am a Christian. I am baptized. I am dipped in the Missouri River,talking tongues, all of that kind of stuff. So umOh, now the other phone’s talking. I can’t hear it. It must be on your It must be on your side cuz I getMan, I thought I muted it. I only muted the ringer as it turns out, but the voice is still yapping back there. I’m alittle ADHD, so I get distracted easily. Sorry about that. So, no. Uh, here’swhat the blood of Christ is. The blood of Christ is the complete embodiment ofthe purity and Fullness of Christ. It is the bringing of Christ into this fallenworld. The blood dripping on the earth of this fallen world is part of theredemption of the Demiurge. I think of Christapart from Jesus. I mean I love Jesus. I walk with Jesus. Jesus is my man.However, Christ is still up in the ethereal plane. He’s called the third order of powers. He has a pleroma of hisown and it’s called the third order of powers and it outranks a second order of powers. And the third order of powers isall of the mojo of the ethereal plane. It’s not just Logos and the Fullness praying for the redemption of the leftbehind half of Logos, but it’s the complete Fullness of God and the Son ofGod and the Father giving blessing toredemption. And so the Christ embodies all of the power of the originatingconsciousness. And he is what you could say the correcting algorithmfor the fall. And the correcting algorithm is needed because if you lookat it in a musical sense the pure tone of consciousness is one thing but whenit fell it got out of tune and we’re down here rolling around inthis disharmonic state. So the Christ is the hum of the Father and when Jesuscame he brought that hum with him and the blood of Jesus on the ground is nota heresy I don’t think. Did that answer that question do you think? I think it does. No it makes perfectsense. And for everybody else if you do have questions might not be able to get to it. Please super chat them so Grahamor I can get to them. And uh yeah uh really not much housekeeping. You wantto take a look at the children’s uh at the Children of the Fullness or show some of the other slides before cuzChildren of the Fullness of course we’ll simplify it in a podcast. Yes. But hey um housekeeping for amoment. Since my stupid telephone over there answered and the person left a message, it’s going to go beep beepevery so often and everybody’s going to hear it. Don’t worry about it. If you Okay, if if you hear it, I’ll go and uhyou know throw the phone. Can you hear it? I don’t hear I didn’t even hear the phone ring.Okay, good. Every I was going to say I heard it vaguely one time, but I haven’t heard it in a while.You must have some noiseancelling stuff on your computer or something. Beep.Okay. All right. What’s the question? You might be like the telltale heart or something. ItIt is. It is. And it’s so annoying because I tell you what, 99% of thephone calls I get are junk. They’re trying to sell me something. Of course,they’re all trying to or they’re politicians trying to get me to contribute. God,I can’t get them to stop. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome to this world of uhYeah. Too much technology, too much information. And I was going to ask do you want to uh jump on the children ofthe Fullness or sure let’s do that because this will uh it’s quite a journey and for the audience uh pleasecheck out our interview last year late 2024 if you want a more expanded uh viewof a simple uh explanation of the Gnostic gospel. But let’s pull up the uhthere you go. That’s not the one. Remove. There you go. There it is.Okay. And just let me know when you want to switch the slide. Children of the Fullness, an ostic myth by Cyd Rob.There we go. And you see, I depicted the Aeons as angels. And by the way, someAeons are angels, but not all Aeons are angels. But all angels are Aeons. How’s that fora logical? But anyway, so yeah. Uh so but but forthe sake of it being a children’s book, these are these are the aonic familieshaving babies. And you know, I think I will not only look at the children’s book, but when we’re on each page, I’mgoing to maybe explain briefly the depth behind that part of it too, right?Sure. Of course. Okay. So let’s turn the page because we’ll turn the pages. Bob Seager saying,“All right, so this is the first double page spread in the book. Long ago, inthe dark, empty sky, Father God dreamed of everything that would come to be. TheFather gave birth to a Son who shared with him all of his love and power.And the Son brought forth angels to help him build the paradise his Father had imagined.” Now, I know a lot of peopledon’t like the words Father and Son. Once again, don’t get hung up on labels.It’s the concept that matters. So, you can call it the source. You can call it the base state or the base matrix ofconsciousness. You can call the Son the emanation of the Father. I like to callthe Son the bucket dipped into the sea, but you won’t find that in anybody else’s uh uh gospel. So, uh the theFather god dreamed of everything that would come to be. That’s because he’s omnipotent and and and knows everything,right? So, the Son brought forth angels to help him build the paradise his Father hadimagined. And that is my way of simplifying this for a children’s book.That’s what we talked about. This is going to be the first pleroma, the all the totalities of the all. Andthey’re still all up in the ethereal plane. Okay. Turn. Okay. turn.The angels gave glory to the Father and sang songs about his great power, love, and sweetness. Now, the the a the Aeonsthat is their primary job is to commune with the Father and they like to give glory. And I I’ve often thought, youknow, sometimes it seems when you’re in church that the Father is like needy andweedling for praise and glory. Oh, please. I want your praise. Worship me,please. That isn’t what glory is. Glory is getting in tune with the originatingconsciousness. It’s being in tune. And the way you get in tune is to giveglory. It’s not for the Father’s sake. It’s for our sake. It’s the way we uhget in tune, I guess, is the thing you can say. And plus giving glory. It’s like when you’re at a let’s say you’reat a concert. Let’s say you’re at a rock concert and somebody’s just done a great song and everybody screaming and goingyeah at the end. They love that’s giving glory. And it’s that feeling of wantingto give glory that the that the Aeons do or that the angels do. It’s inherentthat if you were in the presence of God, there is nothing more that you would want to do than to applaud and go righton. That’s it. So that’s what giving glory does.And so the angels gave glory to the Father and sang songs about his sweetness, love, and power. And it isthrough the process of giving glory to the Father in company with all the other Aeons.So there’s an innumerable number of Aeons in that hierarchy of the Fullness of God. And they give glory together. Theygive glory with their neighbors. They might give glory by themselves. They might all give glory together, but it’sthis sort of logarithmic expansion of ways you can give glory that create newand more and more and more Aeons. So, it already started out as a huge thing. It was already the Fullness of God. But nowthe angels are loving each other, the Father and the Son. They make angel families because they have so much loveto share because they’re combining. You see what I mean? Does that make sense?Okay. And of course, every Aeon and in the book it’s called every angel had special talents and abilities andtogether they dreamed of the Father’s paradise. So every Aeon is a variable of the Son.Every Aeon has a unique talent and every combination of Aeons has a combination ofunique talents. So there might be an Aeon that like specializes in singing. Theremight be a neon that specializes in art and guitar. Everything that we know, all of the talents that come down to us,math, creativity, art, music. I play this instrument, you play that. They allhave Aeons. They all have Aeons in the Fullness of God. And we are their children. So eachof us people and and of course it’s true of every every living thing from the flowers and the bugs up through theanimals and us we are each a unique combinationof this combinatory quality that Aeons do. You know I don’tknow how many Aeons I’m a combination of. I know we’ve got like 50 trillion cells in our body. So we’re at least 50trillion Aeons in us. But there’s also unique combinations. So that’s why myprimary talent is probably from Aeons who like to write and talk and sing. Butsomebody else’s primary talent, they didn’t have so much of those guys, but they’ve got more of the visual artsor more of the mathematical or the scientific logistical prowess. So youwere all unique combinations of this infinite pleroma of the first order ofpowers. We are the second order of powers that are combinations of them. And so I’m saying uh angel families.We’re part of the angel babies. And then we are sent down. You can turn.And then you’re we’re sent down into uh this Fullness. Now, my version in thechildren’s book of Logos sitting on the top with his fractals is this guy downhere. There’s little Logos with his halo, and he’s making a fractal copy.He’s making a model of the ethereal plane. It’s just a uh, you know, arepresentation of him being able to recreate the Fullness of God becauseobviously that’s just a little baby model right there. But I I’m very proud of my um my illustrator who was able totake that idea and do that. I think he did a great job of showing that that’s Logos and his fractal model of paradise.And so reading it, it says the final angel born was very special because he knew the whole plan of paradise. Hisname was Logos. Logos decided to build paradise all on his own without the other angels. Hewanted to surprise the Father with his gift of paradise. And of course, that’s what he was trying to do when he when hefell. He was trying to bring paradise. Look, look what I built to the Father.But that wasn’t the plan. And he shouldn’t have tried to plug back into the Father with it. And that’s why hewas repelled and fell back.Next. So here’s Logos on the left page.bringing his model of paradise up to the Father who was standing up on that cliff. Uh but when he tried to bring theFather his gift, he fell all the way out of heaven.There he goes. And Logos crashed into the darkness and broke apart and now hewas split in two. And you see on the far right there’s Logos going, “Oh my head.”And that’s the uh that’s uh the demiurge crawling out from behind him. And yousee he’s not seeing that the demiurge is crawling out. He because he’s lookingthe other way and he’s oh my head. But and the deurge isn’t really looking at him either. So neither of them realizeswhat’s gone on there. All right, we can turn.Okay. Logo was horrified and that’s a direct quote from the from the Tripartitetrackct date horrified by his shadow twin and broken paradise and he flewback up to heaven. Now, I’m not making the story up, mind you. This is directly out of the Tripartite Tractate. And inmy big book, my big book,there it is. This explains all of this in exquisite detail, I would say. Wouldn’t you,Miguel? Yes. Yes. And as narrated by Miguel Connor. Yes.You leave no Monad unturned. I do. I do not. We We tell the whole thing. They explain the whole thing. Youonly have to want to understand. Now, by the way, I’ve given that book and I’veeven given the children’s book now to many people and they’re like, I don’tget it. I just don’t get it. I don’t see how you cannot get this children’s story for heaven’s sake. Here it is. You haveto have eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart to want tounderstand. So this is what it means by saying that we must seek after thegnosis. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I have done mybest to simplify the gnostic gospel all the way down so that anybody of anyeducation level. You don’t have to be a philosopher can understand it. You just have to havean open mind and keep turning the page and it will make sense. It all falls into place. And here it is for two toeight year olds. So come on, really? Anyway, Logos was horrified. He flewback up to heaven because uh as we already mentioned, because the Plleomaof the First Order of Powers was praying over the fall, and they were trying to make it better. So, first thing they didwas pull Logos back up. And there he is flying away, looking over his shoulder.See, he’s looking back over his shoulder in horror. And there’s the Demiurge sitting there in this muddy broken placeand there’s nothing there. It’s all darkness. And then on the second page, the twin, Idon’t use the word demiurge because I’m trying to keep small words in the book. The twin forgot all about Logos and theangels and the Father above. In fact, he thought he was God.And innosticism, that’s another word for the Demiurge. What is it? the ignorantgod or the amnesic god. He doesn’t remember where he came frombecause the knowing part of him beat it back up to the first order of powers. Sohe was sadly abandoned down here in this mess. And you see the broken the brokenuh model of paradise which is simply a representation of the broken pleroma ofLogos. So it was fractals to begin with and then it broke apart.So it wasn’t that paradise fell, it’s a fractal ofparadise. And I we’re just going to take it. You all know what fractal means bynow. If you don’t know what a fractal is, go back to one of our previous interviews, or go to um GnosticInsights, which is my podcast, and you can look it up. All there. It’s all there. Yeah. Andthis obviously wonder where Jung got some of his ideas. It’s right here. Any Oh, yeah.Shadow ego. It’s all here. Oh, well, you know that Jung purchased the Tripartite tract. That was the bookthat Jung owned out of this otherwise untransated Egyptian codeex that wasfound in the desert in 1945. And he had it translated directly from uh CopticGreek into German. And this is exactly where Jungcame up with his transpersonal psychology. It is tripartiteism.There you go. There you go. For sure. All right, slide seven. So,what’s going on here? Well, shadow god. The shadow god down below. And uh it’sall darkness and ugly. You see, it’s matter. It’s material. There’s no life.It’s just atoms and molecules and aggrids. It’s aggregates of minerals,elements. And up above there’s Logos looking back down at his severed.That’s part of him. Right? So he has been ripped apart. He is not whole. So his self is not his self. Hishis good self, his one is up there in the clouds. It’s like uh Peter Pan looking for ashadow. Right. That’s it. That Well, hey, now where did that author get that? Yeah. I wonder where he got that from.No doubt. He must have been reading Jung at that point in time. The patient like and others.That’s right. That’s right. So um as the book says, the shadow god tried buildingthe paradise Logos had imagined. But his creation lacked love and life becauseyou see he’s not a direct descendant of the Fullness like Logos’s self is. He’sseparated from that. So he doesn’t have the life of the Fullness of God. Therewere no flowers or animals, only mud, water, and rocks. He could not make hiscreations come to life. And there is a portion of a myth that made it into the Bible.It I I clearly recall somewhereGod kneeling on the riverbank making a mud model of Adam. Isn’t that how Adamwas made out of the mud of the riverbank? And then his uh other godswere standing around with them i.e. archons and they couldn’t get the damnthing to come to life. Well, that’s because that god of that Old Testamentmyth is the Demiurge and he could not bring life. He he made all these little models of rabbits and flowers and but hecouldn’t get them to come to life because he didn’t contain the life of the Father.So, they just stayed dead down there. Next.So, Logos and his friends, i.e. the first pleroma of the Fullness of God,Logos and his friends decided to help out by sending angel babies down toearth from the smallest to the largest. And that’s another cool thing about the Tripartite. It it it says from thesmallest to the largest all creatures came to earth which is like whatevolution thinks but we didn’t evolve from the smallestto the largest. We were already precreated. This is a form of uhintelligent design. We were precreated in the ethereal plane. We are the fruitof the Fullness of God. And they had the whole plan of everything from thebeginning. See, so it’s not like uh these molecules had to get together anduh have this certain kind of amino acids in the in the primordial soup and thenoh look there’s an there’s a single-sellled organism and then they get together and oh look there’s a anamoeba and then it it doesn’t work like that. They come in already from thesmallest to the largest, but in order in the order of their coming. And it itsays all of this in the Tripartite tract date, which is 2,000 years old. And Ithink that is pretty astounding. Um, so from the smallest to the largest,they came down. And that that’s our little version of the angels throwing down all the living creatures. In thisway, Earth came alive with living plants and creatures. So, it’s not from the mudup. It’s not from the Demiurge up or the primordial soup up. It’s from theFullness directly sending the living patterns of the creatures down.Does that make sense? Mhm. That does. And there they come. Okay. Next.All creatures were born with the memory of their angel parents and the Father in heaven. They loved everything andeverybody. They joined with others and made forests and meadows, families andtowns. And you see, since I think of the second order powers not only as ushumans, we we have too much focus on us. It’s all of the creatures. It’s all ofthe animals. It’s all of the grasses and flowers and trees. They all know God. They all areum unique combinatory results of variousAeons of the Fullness of God. And so they joined with others and made forests andmeadows. It’s like what? We didn’t put together forest and meadows. No, the grasses joined with grasses and madelawns. The forest joined with the trees joined with trees and made forests andmeadows. See, everything wants to go together. Everything is partof that simple, you know, we haven’t talked about the uh simple explanation of the golden rule. That’s not part ofthis talk. But that’s one of our uh it’s one of the attributes of God. It’s oneof the attributes of the original in the first pleroma is everybody workstogether for the benefit of everyone. That’s the go that’s the real goldenrule. It’s not well I’ll do to you if you’ll do to me which is a quidd proquokind of bargain. That shouldn’t be the golden rule. The golden rule is no matter if I know you or not. No matterif you love me or not, I will work with you so that we can make things better.So that we can bring things together with the power of love. Because onlylove can build. Hatred cannot make things better. She said to the peopletoday, hatred, nothing good comes from hatred. You can’t do it. It’santithetical. It’s the wrong category.Only love from the Fullness above can spread love and only love can makethings better. And that is the golden rule. So that is why in this drawing we’re all born. Oh, we’re also calledthe second order powers. Not just the people, but the grasses and the bees,everything. Certainly the dogs and cats and horses. Everything comes with amemory of the Fullness of God because that is where we come from. We aren’t evolved out of the mud. We aren’tevolved out of single-sellled animals that happen to go to together out ofcertain combinations of molecules. We are from above and we come in with thelife and the memory. So we are called those of the remembrance. All secondorder powers are those of the remembrance. And so I like to think when I’m when I’m walking in the forest andthe trees are like, you know how they all try to find spots of light in a crowd of forest? They’ll lean this wayso they can catch that beam of light. You know what they’re doing? They’re reaching to God.All of the green things that grow up are reaching upward to the Fullness. And Iuse the word God and the Fullness of God interchangeably because we can’t understand the Father.That is illimitable and nonunderstandable consciousness.Hence the monad that came from the Father because we can understand thebucket dipped into the sea. And then even more than that, we can understand the Aeons because they’re all the partsof the Son and we are ionic. We are the children of the Aeons.Okay. So they came down with love and everybody’s in love and they all joined together. But oh no. Oh no.Then a terrible thing happened. The children forgot their job was to spreadlove. They started fighting a neverending war. And again, this isright out of the Tripartite Tractate. It’s called the never-ending war. And itdidn’t start with us fighting each other or with uh Republicans and Democrats or progressives and uh stick in the muds orwhatever you want to make the two sides. It came from matter.The the fall of the Demiurge creating the mud which is a fallen version ofparadise. See the ethereal plane. You can do everything up there we imagineparadise to be. And all all um cultures of the world have prettymuch the same vision of paradise. Everybody expects their family to be there. They expect it to be a goodloving place. They all want to go and be reunited. It’s all going to be so much better. No more pain, no more suffering,no more anguish. So that’s paradise. That is where we came from. That’s whywe expect it because we are those of the remembrance. You see, we’re not making it up. We’re remembering it down.So the neverending war is our remembrance of this ethereal plane.Well, how come we’re down here in pain and disappointment and death and andsadness in the mud? It’s because the mud is our material universe and we can’tsee through the mud. You up in paradise, you can see forever. I can see for milesand miles as the who said, but down here you can only see what’s in front of you,right? And that’s the fall. That’s the nature of the demiurge. He can only buildthings molecularly. So that’s the beginning of the never- ending war. It’s the very fight we haveto stay alive with the material body. Entropy. Entropywe could say is our enemy. Maybe entropy should be a nickname for the demiurge.That’s a good one. I like that. I just came up with that. I like it.Yeah. So because of the never- ending war, everyone thought they were moreimportant than others. Now each person wanted to be admired. They had no timeto be kind or to help their neighbors because they were taking so many selfies and posting them online cuz they’re socute. Look what I have. Look at me. Aren’t I pretty? Aren’t I strong?So that is part of the never- ending war because there is no oneupmanshipin the in the hierarchy of the Fullness of God. Everyone’s got a different name, a different ego, a different job,but everybody’s just as important as everybody else. And it’s just like in our body, you know, our our as ananalogy, and it’s not only an analogy, the pleroma of my my body is a pleroma. Yourbody is a plumboma, right? It is a pleroma that consists of cells and organs and organ systems,skin, heart, lungs, and they’re all just as important as any of the othersbecause as we all know, once one of those systems goes out, you probably only have days or hours to live orminutes, right? So that’s what death is. It’s when uh cooperationum within our pleroma fails. And by the way, cancer I think of as anaronic attack. Cancer is trying to displace the life of the cells withdeath. So that’s part of the and then it the more it takes over the more you aredead. So anyway, society, when we all think we’re more important and want to be admired and we don’t have time forother people, that is a breakdown of the golden rule, and it perpetuates thesadness. Next, next. Here we go.People grew sad and lonely. They thought they could buy happiness with lots oftoys and tasty food. And of course, it’s a kids book, so I’m emphasizing toys andfood. But hey, grown-ups have their toys, too. Right. So, we’re looking in this window of this apartment buildingand and there’s all the people playing with their toys and eating their tasty foods and sitting on the couch playingvideo games and standing in front of the mirror taking selfies and working out. Working out. Look atme. Aren’t I strong? So, uh that doesn’t bring happiness. None of that. None of the things you seein this window can bring happiness because they are not fulfilling the actual desire of our heart. And thedesire of our heart is to be one with the Fullness of God is to remember ourparents in heaven. So Logos and the angels prayed to the Father and Son tosend help to the world to remind everyone of love and their home in heaven because they don’t want us beingsad. Yep. Yep.Now, now here’s where a lot of I think perhaps non-Christian gnostics getturned off. They don’t like the idea of Jesus. They don’t like the idea of Christ. And by the same token, here’swhere the Christians get turned off. They don’t like the idea of Logos or thefall or the Demiurge. And so we’re we have a neverending war within the gnosisas well, don’t we? The factions ofnosticism. And I wish people would just understandlanguage is a it’s a second best lang this linear language that we speak,these words coming out of my mouth one at a time. This is a uh very reduced andlimited form of communication in the Fullness in the ethereal plane or the inbetween space whatever you want to call that place communication is globalized it’sinstantaneous it’s like thought bubbles now by the way Miguel I never mentionedthis to you before in any of our previous interviews but I’ve had such an experience here in this lifetimewhen I first felt fell in love, deeply in love with my late husband. And wewere we were lying in bed one morning. And so we were and new love, you know,that new fresh, oh my god, I’m so in love kind of thing. So we’re lying there totally in love,just feeling love and the birds are singing outside and everything’s sweet. And the cat was drawn by the love. Andshe had already proven the night before that she loved love because he had aconvertible. He had a Mustang convertible and we were sitting in his in in the front seat of his Mustang withthe top up um loving each other. Not having sex,just loving each other. And uh the cat jumped up on the soft top and she waslying right above us. You could see the bulge in the in the convertible top andthe purr. Her purr was floating down on us. It was a manifestation of love. And theonly reason she was there is because we were down here loving each other. And she was up there loving us and rainingdown upon us with furs. Well, the very next morning, the first morning of love,we’re lying there and the cat came in and she wanted to be with us. We were lying next to each other in the bed andshe laid across the two of us. So she like joined our uh thighs. She was lyingacross our thighs. She joined our thighs together with her big cat body. And then this is really weird. And therewas no there were no drugs involved. This was first thing in the morning. These thought bubbles like soap bubbles.Imagine a big soap bubble about the size of a basketballfloating out of her. She floated this gigantic soap bubble right out of herhead above us. And within the soap bubble, instantaneously with no words,it said, “I love tuna fish. This cat loves me some tuna fish.” That’s whatshe thought bubbled to us. Because you know, cats, what do they say? And so then I thought, well, that’spretty extraordinary. And so I floated a thought back to her. Yeah, tuna fish is good. And she got it. And so she and Iwere floating these and they weren’t words. They were soap bubbles of athought about how much cats love tuna fish. Wow. Okay. So then about, you know, this allwent on for a long time and then she floated another soap bubble about love.Isn’t love my isn’t love grand? I’m so glad there is love. That was her secondone. First was tuna. Second was love. And then then I started floating thoughts about love back at her.And then we had all these soap bubbles floating above us. And then when she jumped off,it’s like it’s it’s morning. Time to get up. And I said to Gary,“Yo,” because there had been no words spoken all this time. And I and I turned to him for the first time and said,“Well, then did what I just saw happen,did you experience what I just experienced?” And he said, “Yeah,thought bubbles about tuna.” So, it was like, it was pretty cool. It was veryexciting. Very cool. Anyway, and that has always stayed with me. So that concept that in heaven I communication is more or lessglobal and instantaneous. Uh that’s that mind readading sometimes people talk about in um you know near-deathexperiences. Now I got off on that. I totally forgot where we were and what we were talkingabout. Oh, that this is a limited form of communication. So don’t get hung up on words like uh Father and Son orJesus Christ savior. These are the words we use to express these otherwise globalbubbles of thought. That’s all I’m saying. And when you and and I’m sayingthat because I’ve had people who try to start reading my books and they go, “Ah,the vocabulary I don’t get it. I just, oh, these are new words. These are new. I I just don’t I don’t like the wordFather and Son. That’s so sucks. And it’s like, get off it. Get off it. That isn’t the point of any of it.It’s our limited vocabulary. So, this uh double page spread. I eliminated theword Christ and Jesus Christ because I didn’t want the Gnostics just to throwdown the book and go, “Ah, this is a bunch of Christian clap trap.” So I used the word prince of peace which seems tome ought to be a nice neutral term. The prince of peace came to earth withall of the power and love of the Father and Son. That’s scriptural from theTripartite trackct tape. He was called savior because he came to save everyoneand beloved because heaven and earth love him so much. And all these littlepeople here on the right side, those are the people that we were seeing in the previous page looking through that apartment window and they were all sadand unhappy doing the things they were doing. And now the savior is embracingeveryone and he loves them and they love him and they’re happy. Nownext okay.When everyone remembers the love of the Fullness and accepts the prince of peace, the twin of Logos will remembertoo. Logos will become whole again. And seethere’s Logos up there at the top of the page waving at the demiurge. Hey, herewe are. See us. Do you remember us now? and and the the ego of Logos, i.e. theDemiurge or what was the name we just came up for him? Uh entropy.Oh yeah. Or also known as entropy.He’s got a little tear in his eye because now he’s not alone anymore. He He’s not alone down here. And when whenI got this uh this artwork back from the artist,I got all tearary because he was crying and it just I got all choked up. So ofcourse that is my hope for the readers that they will somehow get choked up when they this pageintegration Logos and the shadow the demiurge. Yes.Okay. And then on that day, and here we are in the third economy, the final economy,what we call heaven. On that day, this fallen imitationwill become true paradise. Everyone who has ever lived will liveforever with their family and friends and the Fullness of the Father, Son, andthe Prince of Peace. There will be no more tears, only joy and love.And there it is. See, in innosticism, this creation of the Demiurge,this world that has been con constructed down here. It’s a knockoff. It’s calledthe deficiency. It’s called the imitation. And what it is an imitation of is paradise. What it is deficient inis life, love, and consciousness and the complete remembrance of the Father andthe Fullness and the Son. And so that’s what thatbeloved savior brings to us. It’s the correction. It’s the true tone for oursouls. Now, here is a heresy. Well, okay. The first heresy that went by isthat the creator of our cosmos, the creator of the heavens and the earth, isnot God Almighty, but Lucifer, basically. And that, oh my gosh, what ahorrid thing to say. But the second, the next heresyis that everyone’s going to heaven. Oh, that’s a not everyone’s going to heaven. Those bad people should all go to hell.Go to hell, you. No. You see why? Because that’s not loving. That is notthe nature of the Father. The Father is all loving. And get this, in thisgnostic Christianity, we are the children of paradise. We are literallywe have we have our parental units here on earth, mom and dad. But we also haveour aonic parents, the ones that gave us our particular talents.So we get our looks from mom and dad probably. mo for the most part, but we get our talent from the Fullness of God.And so, um, this is that I I I I really I reallyzeroed in on that concept and I can’t even remember how I began that sentence. I don’t know what I was talking about.Ha. Oh, that everybody’s going to heaven. Oh, the second heresy, the big heresy isthat uh Yes. So Christ is Christ. You don’t have to worry about that Christians who may be watching this. AndJesus is the incorporation of Christ. Jesus Christ savior. Good. On board withthat. See that’s Valentinian Christian Christianity which I count myself aswell not necessarily Valentinian but agnostic Christian.And because we come here here was the point. I’m back on the train now. And because we come from the Fullness,we have to return to the Fullness because why? Otherwise, it wouldn’t be full anymore. They are the Fullness ofGod. We are from the Fullness. We all have to return to the Fullness or itwould be less than full. You see, isn’t that cool?So, uh, God is all loving. And by the way, in the New Testament, it says overand over again that Christ came to save everyone.There were no quido pros, which means you did this for me, I’ll dothat for you. I’ll tell you what, if you bend your knee and say, Jesus, you are my Lord, I’ll let you go to heaven. Thatis the wrong attitude. That isn’t why Christ came. He came with the correctionfor us because we are forgetful and fighting a neverending war with the demiurge and with this material space that we find ourselves in.But we’re going back home because that’s home. This isn’t our home. And that’sanother thing it says in the in the Bible that we are sojourers passing through this world, right?Lord, oh Lord, I have no home but you. If Jesus ain’t my home, then Lord, whatwould I do? That is all true. And that is true for Gnostics as well. Soeveryone will come back home because we are descendants of the Fullness of God.So it’s not only the humans, but it’s every living thing. It’s all the grasses, everything you see in thisdouble page spread here, this picture of paradise. They were all down below and they’re all back up again. This is thethird economy. This is the ethereal plane integrated with the now redeemedmaterial plane where we have found ourselves stuck. So we are going home toour aonic parents and we will live in paradise and be happy ever more. And bythe way, if it doesn’t happen before you die, it will certainly happenas soon as you die. I don’t think you’re written out and thrown into the burning lake of fire forever uh to be torturedby demons. That isn’t the nature of God. You see, God is love. And God wants usall to come home. He doesn’t want to throw anyone away. And so, we will turn. But you have to turn. You have to wantto go home. Sometimes it seems down here in this world that people want to be bador people want to go to hell and bring others down with them. I’ll kill lop offheads. See, they think they’re sending them to hell by doing so because they think they are the righteous ones andthe ones who lose their heads must be the sinners or they wouldn’t have died.That’s all demiurgic. That’s all demonic. That isn’t the way it really works. It’s a lie. It’s the deficiency.It’s an aronic lie. Tada. The end.And there you go. I have it on the show notes, but definitely check out Children of the Fullness. It is uh Yeah, it’s Ilove the artwork and the message. Yeah, it uh and you see it’s free on Kindle. Ifyou’ve got a Kindle, it’s zero dollars or or $3.99 if you don’t have a Kindleunlimited thing and also only $9.99 in paperback. And I am, as I said, trying to release it,trying I’m I’m make working my way through the very very difficult process of being a self-publisher. The hardbackwill be available in libraries and bookstores at some point in time.Please, please pray for that to occur. and leave reviews. I need reviewsbecause apparently reviews are really important in the world of Amazon. By theway, by the way, Miguel, I don’t know if this happens to you with your books, but the AI keeps crawling out. The AIarchons are crawling out of the woodworks after me and my books. It’s soclear that it’s AI written and they keep wanting to promote me and promote my books and I’m going to take everythinguh you know I’m going to make you famous and I’m going to do this and that and it’s all aronic. I can just see rightthrough it. Oh, they go look just pay me $20 a a review and I’ll get you as manyreviews. $20 a review. I could hire the AI myself and have a thousand reviewswritten for nothing. So why am I paying you? So it’s horrid. It’s horrible, horrible lies in the nameof godliness and it kills me. It just kills me. Oh yeah. I’ve been reached out by those too and AI.Yes, of course they are. And they’re not going to Amazon will detect them. They’ll figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. So I need real authenticreviews. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Yeah. Iwanted to bring in Graham. Graham, do you What do you think of this? Uh and do you have a question for Cyd? get yourtake on this. No, no, I thought she did a lovely job. It was it’s it’s a great one for kids. Iwas going to say I have some notes down here is one of those is I’m certainly not going to argue against her abouteverything being fractal that just Yeah. What is he? UmI don’t understand it was double negatives. Was it does he agree? Does that like agreeing everything? Oh, I do. That that’s one of the reasonsI use my uh my image with the with the mandler set. Okay. Gotcha.And I was going to say as far as the fractal go, Hildigard of Bingan, herwhole metaphysics is very fractal. If you haven’t looked into her, she’s she’sdefinitely worth checking out. Okay, good to know.Filigar. And yeah, and uh one of the places when you whenyou had the uh that them starting to fight over the the the fall, I I jotted down the instead of spreading the love,they decide they’re going to fight for ownership over the little pieces of the love.Yes. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Well, right. Right. We’re selfish with our love, huh?Like there’s not enough to share. Exactly. And the old uh you know money doesn’t buy happiness, it only rents it.Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And the uh you know again it’s one ofthose it depends on which golden rule you’re going to look at. There’s the one that you were talking about and thenthere’s the other one that I learned as well which is the one with the gold makes the rules.Oh yeah. Well that’s the way of the world. Oh, because by the way, you know, the the the this world, and we didn’teven get into any of this, but this world is run by the demiurge. He’s the god of thismaterial universe and and his henchmen, his his minions are the archons. And uhthey’re all about power and dominion. It always has to do with power and control.And so whenever you see something occur that increases control and power likethe pandemic, that’s demiurgic. That’s demiurgic. That’s not natural.The old never let a crisis go to waste. That’s right. Exploit.The last one is a slight one is I used to be alongside of you with you knowuniversal salvation. Mhm. I’ve slightly modified that to the offerof salvation if it’s universal. But because of free will, I pretty much haveto allow for the possibility of there are going to be stubborn, it’s just stubborn souls that are bound anddetermined to refuse heaven regardless. And okay, it was just reading this morning that inthe Tripartite tract date, where is it? that literally all the secondary orderpowers do after death will want to accept the the love of the Father and itwon’t and it said no I wish I could find that quote but it’s because they won’thave to believe based on words someone else said or experience someone else hador or you know some book someone else says is holy. They will come face toface with the reality and it says this in the Tripartite tract date. They’ll come face to face with the reality ofthe love and Fullness of God and those open arms. And it’s like who’s going tosay no to that? Of course they have free. We do all have free will. But it I I can’t understand. I personally wouldnot be able to comprehend someone being face to face would it would be like ahungry infant dying of hunger and pushing away hismother’s breast. That’s what I would think. I agree 100%. But that’s one of thosethings is I’m getting older and I’ve seen so many people do things that Ijust cannot imagine doing. So I’m like I said, yeah, I’ve modified it to I just have to allowthat possibility in my metaphysics. Oh yeah, sure. Okay. And I’m saying, well, don’t worry about it because it’sgoing to happen on the other side. So we’re not going to see it. And and those people die angry, but and we don’t seethat repent regardless. It’s not our problem. I’m not making that choice. It’s only aproblem for those people who do make that choice. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m sorry. Yeah. Now the the last one that I hadthere is the idea of I always got a sense of as part of the fall a I can dobetter than the creator and not the creator but the source. It’s a certainamount of pride in that a certain amount it goes along with the separateness. It wasn’t entirely an innocence. There wasa certain amount of hey look what I can do. I can do better than you kind of thing. TYeah. Well, in the in the trip well, at least in my children’s version or in theTripartite trackctate, he he does in a sense say, but who he’s saying, I can dobetter than you. It’s the rest of the Fullness. He’s sitting on the top as a fractal. He thinks his fractal body cando it all. And who needs the Fullness? And that is a way of saying uh my littlepart is greater than the whole of the Fullness of God. But he wasn’t saying Ican do better than the God above all gods because there there is nothing greater than the God above all gods.There’s no space above God. God is the pinnacle. Gotcha.That’s no one of the senses that I was getting there. Is it fair to get have the takeaway that the Fullness of God issimilar to the spirit of God? Oh yes. Yes. The Fullness of God aka getthis the Holy Spirit. Okay, that was the sense I was getting there. You hadn’t actually connectedthose two dots explicitly and it doesn’t explicitly connect them in the Tripartite tractate, but when Idi, you know, I’m a diagrammer. When I diagram everything out, there it is. Oh, hey Miguel, you can getback to the there were more pictures in our slideshow that we didn’t ever showthe third or the third. Yeah. Okay. So, that’s the first order of powers. Here’sthe final economy. Uh well, actually this is this is the end of time. Thisisn’t the final economy. This is the last part. Uh this is the day the earth stood stillin this order. So you’ve got what is called the elect. And those are the third order of powers. They’re right upthere next to Christ. The Fullness is right here. That’s that uh triangle thatwe’re talking about here. We are we’re the second order of powers, also knownas the called. And you can see, you can see a little blue through us because down here at the bottom, that’s thephantom of the imitation and the outer darkness, Hades. But there’s one morethat doesn’t have those lay that one. This turns out, see that? Thatone just before that was a mistake I made a few years ago. This is the new This is the new final economy. Christ isa lot bigger, a lot brighter, and there’s no more blue at the bottom because in the final rollup where thematerial world evaporates, and it will, it’s going to end sooner or later.This is the final uh hierarchy of the Fullness of God. Here we are, and it’s not because we’re downtrodden upon, butbecause this is where our paradise is, that green at the bottom. I see I’mpointing to my screen, but you can’t see me pointing. That’s dull. Uh anyway, uhthe that we’re we’re we’re we’re down there in that green area. That’s that’s our paradise that we can relate to. Ouraonic parents, that’s those big gold guys just above us. And what is called even in the Bible, they’re called theelect. That is the army of the Christ. And and that is a misunderstanding inthe Bible. By the way, here’s another nice heresy for you. The ar onward Christian soldiers marching as to war.We’re not marching with swords and spears in order to defeat the Nazis. Weare marching with love. We are the army of the Christ. And Christ is thepinnacle of love and consciousness. So what the army of Christ is the thirdorder of powers. They are the elect. They are the ones who just give glory,glory, glory, love everyone, and they’re the ones praying for us to pull us upout of the deficiency. They’re the ones that are going to reunite uh the demiurge with Logos there in the end. And uhyou see the blue has fallen off the bottom of this diagram because in the final economyall of the the demiurge is no longer at war with us. So the archons evaporate.They are the shadows. They are the imitation. They’re a deficiency in the final economy. There’s no moredeficiency. It’s all good. It’s all God. And we’ve all got our everything there.I me I’m looking forward to my dogs. Every dog that’s ever died. I say helloto them every morning. My my my pet the pictures of my dogs andI say, “I’m coming for you, kids.” And that’s who I expect to see me when I cross over.I do, too. Well, awesome. This has been great. We better better get to the endof this to this economy to this iteration or fractal. But yeah, great discussion for the audience. Get thebook. I’ve got it on the show notes. I’ve also got Cyd’s uh website. Andyeah, check out her podcast because she breaks these things down even more and it’s a it’s a good listen. But yeah,appreciate everybody being here. As always, please support Cyd’s work, support amid any way you can. I can’t doit without you. Good shows coming the rest of the week. And uh yeah, that’s it. Graham, thanks for keeping uscompany. Oh, always my pleasure. And thank you, Cyd. It was a wonderful story and I hopemany children enjoy it. I hope so too. Well, I know they will. Thank you so much. God bless everybody.Always enjoy having you on. And this was a great one, too. And yeah, aren’t you supposed to say onward andupward? Onward and upward. Say your tag. Yeah, you got to say your tagline. Well, I say onward and upward and Godbless us all. That’s how I’ve been ending. I added the God bless all at the end. That’s That’s good. Yeah. I like to dosometimes Bowie and may God’s love be with you because we’re all floating in space. All right, for everybody else,really appreciate you being here and yeah, as I say, thanks for being here. Thanks for being yourself, your trueself here in the desert of the real. Write your own gospel and live your own myth. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit cydropp.substack.com/subscribe