The Great AI Unraveling: Tristan Harris

Recorded live at  SAND Community Gathering (April 2026). Watch the full conversion on the SAND Website. SAND has launched a special series on Artificial Intelligence. To premiere this series, we spoke with tech ethicist Tristan Harris—co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology. In this conversation, we explored his warnings about the impending age of AI. According to Harris, the current trajectory isn’t just menacing the economy, but fundamentally rewiring human relationships, altering parenting and mental health, potentially accelerating climate collapse, and even threatening the very fabric of society. We inquired into ways to remain human in an era where machines can simulate empathy, displace our labor, and potentially outmaneuver us.   Topics 00:00 Welcome and Context 00:42 Why This AI Talk 01:32 Introducing Tristan Harris 03:15 Setting the Basics 04:10 From Narrow to New AI 06:18 Rubber Band Reality Check 08:31 Transformers and Scaling 11:00 Infinity Upside and Risk 14:49 Defining AGI and ASI 18:18 Jagged Capabilities and Hype 21:33 Singularity and Anti Human Drift 23:26 Incentives Behind the Future 27:29 The Intelligence Curse 32:22 Devaluing Humans and Consensus 37:56 Planetary Costs of Data Centers 39:41 Why We Keep Building It 42:46 Extinction Risk and Safety Math 45:20 AI in War and Arms Race 47:36 Leaders Unaware of Runaway Signs 48:26 Leaders Fear AI Power 49:02 Nuclear War Game Theory 49:41 Infinite Games Mindset 51:11 AI as Extractive Empire 52:27 From Shadow to Action 53:55 Building the Human Movement 57:25 Four-Step Action Plan 59:44 Grassroots Wins and Bans 01:02:18 Nonprofit Progress and Lawsuits 01:07:51 Talking to Teens Effectively 01:10:05 Governance and Citizen Assemblies 01:12:19 Spiritual Hopes vs Incentives 01:15:12 Accelerationism and Choice 01:18:22 Policy Maker Ten Minute Brief 01:21:26 Countering Transhumanist Ideology 01:23:45 Changing Culture and Incentives 01:27:12 Final Reflections and Gratitude Resources Websites & Organizations Center for Humane Technology (Tristan Harris's website) The Human Movement AI Dialogue Prohuman AI Statement / Declaration Roadmap to How We Ensure AI is Serving Humanity Indigenous Perspectives on AI Course Metarelational AI Tech Workers Coalition Panel on AI + Embodiment Luma Invite Purge Palantir Action Links Purge Palantir Campaign Pledge   Articles & Documents Alibaba Security Paper The Intelligence Curse by Luke Drago and Rudolf Laine The Shape of AI Jaggedness Harvard Gazette: Why are Communities pushing back on data centers The Palantir Payroll PDF New York Times Opinion: Yuval Harari AI ChatGPT Archive Article on Billionaires' Brains New York Times Opinion: Anthropic’s Restraint Is a Terrifying Warning Sign   Videos & Films The Social Dilemma The AI Doc / How I Became an Apocalyptimist - Official Trailer Ghost in the Machine The Day After War Games Bernie vs. Claude (YouTube) Joanna Macy and the Great Turning How To Make AI Good For Humanity by Siliconversations (YouTube)   Books & Textbooks Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Peter Norvig and Stuart J. Russell (PDF) States of Denial by Stanley Cohen (PDF)  Finite and Infinite Games by James P. Carse (PDF) Hospicing Modernity by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira Outgrowing Modernity by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt IntraConnected: MWe (Me + We) as the Integration of Self, Identity, and Belonging by Daniel J. Siegel, M.D.   Empire of AI By Karen Hao More Everything Forever by Adam Becker  Why Do We Tell Ourselves Scary Stories About AI? by Amanda Gefter     Podcasts & Audio Your Undivided Attention - Tristan Harris, Aza Raskin, and Daniel Barcay The Emerald - Joshua Michael Schrei The Great Simplification - Nate Hagens Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member