EPISODE · Apr 8, 2026 · 18 MIN
The Great Kiwi Exodus
from Down to Business English · host Skip Montreux
New Zealand is seeing a record number of its citizens leave the country, with many moving to Australia for better pay, stronger career prospects, and a different lifestyle. What is driving this exodus and what it could mean for New Zealand’s future? In this episode of Down to Business English, Skip Montreux and Samantha Vega get Down to Business with New Zealand’s growing labor exodus. They look at the scale of the departure, including the number of New Zealand citizens who left in 2025 and explore the main reasons behind the trend, including the high cost of living, better employment opportunities, and lifestyle. This episode gives listeners an insight on a major workforce and economic challenge facing New Zealand — while helping you build your Business English. In this episode, you will learn: Why so many New Zealand citizens are leaving the country, and why Australia is the main destination. How cost of living, salary differences, and career opportunities are driving the exodus. What impact this labor migration is having on education, healthcare, and the wider economy. Why this trend is raising concerns about New Zealand’s future workforce, tax base, and public infrastructure. Do you like what you hear? Become a D2B Member today for to access to our -- NEW!!!-- interactive audio scripts, PDF Audio Script Library, Bonus Vocabulary episodes, and D2B Member-only episodes. Visit d2benglish.com/membership for more information. Follow Down to Business English on Apple podcasts, rate the show, and leave a comment. Contact Skip, Dez, and Samantha at [email protected] Follow Skip & Dez Skip Montreux on Linkedin Skip Montreux on Instagram Skip Montreux on Twitter Skip Montreux on Facebook Dez Morgan on Twitter RSS Feed
What this episode covers
New Zealand is losing workers at a record pace, with tens of thousands of citizens leaving the country and many heading to Australia. In this episode, we look at why so many New Zealanders are leaving, what is pulling them overseas, and how this growing labor exodus is affecting the country’s economy and public services. In this episode of Down to Business English, Skip Montreux and Samantha Vega get Down to Business with New Zealand’s growing labor exodus. They begin by looking at the scale of the departure, including the number of New Zealand citizens who left in 2025 and the fact that most of them moved to Australia. Then they explore the main reasons behind the trend, including the high cost of living, better employment opportunities, and lifestyle factors. Samantha also shares her own perspective from New Zealand, explaining how this ‘brain drain’ is affecting younger workers, families, and professionals in sectors like education, healthcare, and tech. Finally, they discuss the longer-term implications for New Zealand. They look at teacher shortages, pressure on the healthcare system, an aging population, and what could happen if too many skilled workers continue to leave the country. D2B 408 explains why New Zealand’s labor exodus has become such an important economic and social issue. From higher wages in Australia to growing shortages in teaching, nursing, and other key sectors, this episode shows how migration can reshape a country’s workforce, public services, and long-term future. Do you like what you hear? Become a D2B Member today for to access to member-only episodes, our --NEW!!! -- INTERACTIVE AUDIO SCRIPTS, PDF Audio Script Library, Bonus Vocabulary episodes, and D2B Member-only episodes. Visit d2benglish.com/membership for more information.
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