The Haunting in Connecticut

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that's when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of the Supernatural Hour.

I am Tim and I am here with... Raven, I'm so glad to be back. And Chad. Oh, Dawn.

You know, you talked about the meme, maybe I'll share it on Facebook one of these days. You know, I always say I'm going to share stuff on Facebook and I already was a big fat liar. But I've seen the meme, I don't, I still understand the whole Chad thing. I'll have to show you it's an old Microsoft advertisement from the 80s.

I will put it on Facebook because I know how to do that. Deanna, she said she'll do stuff, she actually does it. So she's our trustworthy member of the group here. So yeah, we took a little break because of the awesome virus that is going around the plague, the black, it's what's called the blue plague.

The blue plague, yeah, the black plague's been taken. Yeah, that one's already done. So played out. We're not making fun of or making light of this.

We're actually taking it very seriously. That's why we took time off. It's the kind of do our self isolation. I've been, literally this is the first place I've been besides work in my own house in the last month.

Yeah, we have forged to the grocery store on occasion when needed, but we've pretty much been holed up in the house too. So we decided to get together today and bring you guys another episode for two reasons. One, we know how much you miss us and we are going to start crazy. Who wouldn't miss us?

We're also going a little stir crazy and we, you know, we missed bringing you guys our awesome entertainment. So we are doing a show for you today. So one thing I want to point out, there's still a lot of people under quarantine. I don't think any quarantines have really been lifted at least here in the States yet.

But if you know someone that needs something to do, I know this pretty cool podcast that you could point them to. Yeah, ours. Yes. So, yeah, that would be a good time.

And you never know. You know, some people say, oh, paranormal people think I'm weird. You never know. I think more people than not love the paranormal and find it fascinating.

So tell your friends, say you listen to the podcast and you should give them a listen. You know, I've actually listened to a couple of other paranormal podcasts. There's Jim Harold's Campfire and then there's like haunted places by the podcast network, some of the other podcasts that I've listened to. And they get like tons of listens.

So the paranormal, especially with all the shows going on right now, it's not really as taboo as it used to be. Speaking of taboo, our topic today, when this event occurred, it kind of was taboo. We'll get into that a little bit later. We'll start off with a little bit of business and I'll talk more to you.

So business-wise, because of the quarantine and everything going on, we have suspended residential. That being said, that doesn't mean that, you know, that activity in your home suspends just because mortal life suspends. So if you have something going on in your home, please contact us. You know, again, we can't really come out yet and do anything about it, but we can maybe give you, and I hate to use this word, but we can give you a band-aid to kind of help, you know, call me activity down until we can get out there and give you at least a little bit of relief.

So all is not lost if you're having troubles in your home. So please contact us and we can give you some help. And where do they contact us at? Wisps.org.

And there's a contact section there. So just shoot us an email and we'll give you a call or a text. And text is my preference because I hate talking on the phone. But if you don't text or you want me to call you, I will call you or Tim will call you.

And we will help you at least put a damper on things until we can get out and take care of it for real season. Yeah, and we're still putting public investigations on hold for the simple fact that nobody's open and we'll let us in. But as soon as we can start that up again, we will. I have venues in mind, but again, it all depends on when this quarantine ends and we're actually able to get into some of these places.

I've heard that they're going to start school back up in Florida pretty soon. So hopefully that will trigger the West sooner or later. That'd be great. That'd be awesome.

I know it's been a minute since we went to family tree, but we haven't had a chance to talk about it yet because the last episode I did, I was actually with the buco boys and they weren't there. So I was saving that for this episode when I was with you guys again because you were actually out of investigation for a little bit. And so it's not too fresh on our minds, but we'll do our best to kind of remember what happened. I had food, I think.

Yeah, scones as big as your head. Scones as big as your head. The scones are always awesome there in the family to restaurant. And you know, hopefully this wasn't the last time we got to go to the family to restaurant.

Right after or right before we went into this investigation, they actually posted it for sale. They were. Oh, no, I saw that. I think she's ready to move on and was looking to sell it for I think $350,000.

So if any of you out there knows that bacon's just let him know and he'll probably buy it. And then we might not ever get into it. Probably not, but hopefully someone will buy it that recognizes the monetary gain of just having ghost investigations there in the evening and will let us keep going. You know, to be honest with you, I've had like three or four people hit me up and they're like, we should go in together and buy this.

And I'm like, I totally would if I had the money and I would probably buy a house before I bought a hot-deter restaurant. I don't know. You could live in the basement with Lucy. I'm good.

I caught down there and we'll shower. And she might cuddle. I don't know. That's true.

So one of the things I do remember happening that night is we were in the basement and this happened with my group and apparently happened with all the other groups as well. People were hearing growling noises and scratching noises behind them. And their backs were faced towards like the old stairs that no one uses anymore. So there wasn't really a possibility for anyone to be behind them.

And I know I also had a couple of people in my group that said they thought their aunt was there and I was actually able to kind of give them a little bit of reading at the restaurant and tell them kind of, it was funny because I love seeing people's faces when I tell them stuff about them and their family members that there's like no way I should know. I started talking about how they used to go over to their aunt's house and she would just bake pies all the time. And I'm just like, you know what, your aunt really misses that. She enjoys the smell of the pies.

I'm like, my other feeling that she never actually enjoyed the pies she baked, she always just made them and gave away to family members just because she's enjoying seeing how happy you guys were. And they're just like, that's so accurate. That sounds exactly like what she did. And I'm like, well, if you get free time, start baking again because she can actually smell it and she enjoys the smell.

And it was kind of cool just to see them be able to have those memories of their childhood when they were growing up and just being able to see them to start reminiscing about how things were when they were kids. I do know after all that, one of our investigators at David Ward was having, he felt like something that's kind of icky on him with his oral colonist real quick. And then I started feeling weird. So I just started doing something to do with myself and my self to the point where I, everybody was a little bit scared.

So I think this is after you guys left. Yeah, we actually left. I did be up early on Sunday morning. And so we left a little earlier than usual.

And Johnson was there who was an emergency room doctor. And apparently he had to do doctor stuff. He did. I actually thought he had left because he had to work early in the morning as well.

So I was actually kind of surprised to see he was there. And I was glad he was there. So what had happened is I, well, we were in the basement, people were here in the growling. So I started kind of pulling a brandy and started kind of shielding everybody and kind of making the stuff.

So I took one for the team? I did. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention in the basement, I was sitting behind one of our investigators and her sister and all of a sudden underneath her chair, this big bright light showed up. I heard about that.

And it shot across the room. And I saw the light underneath the chair. I didn't see it. She was crossing the room.

They were telling me that the light was green. And they were all kind of fascinated about it. And I said, you know what? Let's not pay that light any attention.

Which branch of fun I've learned from like Caden and Beaches and a couple other people, Jimmy and Darling. When it comes to green lights and the paranormal, usually it's not a good thing. But you learn that in movies too. People always go to the green light and they end up dead.

So what the green light is, I don't know if we ever talked about it on the show before, but we'll talk about it now. If you do see a green light when you're on a paranormal investigation, green lights are the colors that demonic entities actually use to try to lure people. I know that like there's tells of it's out there when people are out kind of the beach, they'll see a green light over like on the animal island and it kind of chances them and makes them want to go to it. The problem is if you start walking towards that, you can walk under the gray cell like in and around yourself.

So green lights usually are negative in nature when you see them on an investigation. But that's what they saw. We try to recreate the light like she had a flashlight in her pocket and I thought it might have been her she actually clicked on a flashlight. But when I had her turn flashlight while I was still in her pocket, it didn't light up the room as bright as it did before when we all saw the light.

So that was really, really cool. I haven't seen anything like that before. Yeah, that's awesome. So I think the only really experience that I had this particular time, you know, any time you do the same location over and over again, sometimes it might be crazy active for you and dead for someone else and vice versa.

You know, you're not always going to have the exact same experience every time. So this for me was one of my more calmer ones. But the one thing I do remember is the group that I started out with started downstairs with Lucy. And when we went down there, it almost had a playful feel down there, almost kind of like, I don't know when another group had been there before us.

But it was almost like, oh, hey, people here play time. And so when we first went down, I was like, oh, hey, you know, you almost wanted to go and bump elbows with her and high five. That was before quarantine. So you could high five then.

And so, you know, everyone's asking questions and kind of he-on and you know, having a good time. But we were only down there for about 10 minutes. And then you could, it was almost like an instant shift. You could feel Lucy kind of go, oh, yeah, I hate these people.

Yeah, yeah. Because it just almost like some flip the lights, which it just suddenly got dark and colder. And it was palpable. I, some of our listeners actually sent us some of their experiences as well.

And I know one of our, she's actually been on the show before she did one of our aliens episodes with us on the coal actually sent me several EVPs. And I was waiting until we actually got to talk about it on the show before I started posting on Facebook. So I will get those up hopefully here at about the same time, the show airs. That way you guys can see here are some of her EVPs.

But she also told me that at one point in time when they were sitting in the basement, they were a friend that was sitting because it was her and two of her friends. And the one that was sitting in the middle, if I remember correctly, she thought everything was just fine. Like she didn't know something different. But I know Nicole and the other girl couldn't see her.

Like it just looked completely black. Normally when you sit in that room, like there's enough light usually going around where you can kind of tell where people are in the room. And they were unable to see her at all. It's like, if I remember her, they couldn't hear her.

Like it was like she had just vanished. Oh, wow. Like I said, we do have some EVPs from Nicole that I'll post on Facebook. And I believe I also have some from the Buko Boy stuff that I never put up and I'll try to get those up too.

I know that on the last episode, Derek actually did play a couple EVPs on the show. And we didn't say what we thought the EVP actually said because I wanted to hear what you guys thought it said. And I know and actually responded. So I don't know what y'all thought.

But if you go back and do that episode, I'll wait another episode before I reveal what it actually said because I've had this confirmed with peaches on what the response was. But he did ask the spirit who the president was when they were alive. And on the Echo Fox, we got an instant response. That's awesome.

I believe he played another episode. He kind of another EVP where he talked about asking the spirit what kind of ice cream it liked. And you can also hear the Echo Fox or the spirit box or whatever the time the spirit responding and saying what kind of ice cream it liked. So if you missed that episode, go back and listen to it because like I said, there is a couple EVPs towards the end of the episode.

You also get to hear Dell talk about some of the experiences that like waverly when he went there and just what it was like for those two to grow up with the paranormal. Really good episode. Go back and check out. They've got some real fun stories.

And then if you didn't, if you did listen to it and they plug the crap out of their own show and I'll just give another shout right now. They have the Buko Boys podcast and you can find their Facebook page just at the Buko Boys. It's a really good show. And they talk about all sorts of random stuff.

And don't tell everybody how would they spell Buko? Buko is B-U-K-O Buko Boys. So yeah, with me at the family tree though, after I climbed everybody else and I tried to cleanse myself, I actually passed out and was on the floor for about a good 10 minutes. And it was...

In terms of a guy. And so if he doesn't get up on his own, he's probably not getting up. I honestly tried and it was hard for me to get up. And I basically just got to the point where I'm like, I'm just going to lay here and take it out pretty much.

What had happened is I had spent all of my energy trying to kind of shield other people and cleanse people that I literally just drained my batteries and I was out. And I was able to get out enough information. I was able to say enough to let them know that I needed Mike to give me a blessing. And then that's when I found out Don Sun was still there.

So they both came over. They gave me the blessing and I just kind of chilled on the floor for a couple minutes. And then I sat back up. And for some reason I felt like I still needed to kind of work on cleansing myself.

So I just started kind of going into like a meditative state. And Mike being the awesome guy that he is, I love this guy. I'm glad he's still part of the team. He told me he's like, I feel like I need to put my hands on his shoulders.

Can I do that? And I said, yeah, go right ahead. And I honestly believe like I without intentionally doing this, I think I started to actually project a little bit, which is a bad place to be doing that. And Mike, in my opinion, this is what I think happened is that Mike was actually able to keep me grounded.

And I was able to kind of have this conversation in my head. It took me a minute before I was kind of set this out loud, but I actually asked someone to go through my stones and I'm like, find the one that stands out to you. And they picked up the jet. That was the one that stood out to them the most.

And jet, if you don't know, actually helps prevent and alleviate psychic attacks. And I asked her to place it on the back of my neck. And I remember saying put it on the back of my neck so I can come back. And as soon as she put it on the back of my neck, I would just kind of like snap it out.

And I was fine. And Mike told me afterwards, he's like, you know, I've listened to you what you say when you tell people to follow the gut feeling. He's like, I just have this really strong gut feeling. I need to put my hands on his shoulders.

And I'm really glad he did. So that's awesome. It's always like that. Just give me the good chills.

So I'm sure there's other stuff that happened. And I'm still waiting for some of the take holders to get back with me on some of their experiences because I'd love to share those with you. Instead of you guys, again, we're trying to be more open about not just what we experienced but what everybody experienced. But in order for that to happen, you guys have to share that with us.

Yeah. So in the future, if you come on an investigation with us, you know, you can either email us, you know, your thoughts and we realize sometimes things are personal. You don't want to share them. But if something happens that you would like to share, we would love love, love, love to hear that.

Well, it doesn't even have to be on like one of our investigations. If you have a story of something that you grew up with or something that's happened to you who wants to share on the show, we'd be more than happy to do so. You can email us on, you can message us on Facebook on either the advanced paranormal page or the WIS Facebook page or my email is tim.wisps at gmail. I know we have some other emails as well that you can hit us up on.

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So yeah, that was one of the family tree investigations we did. I did another one for a private group and I actually got someone there in the basement. Kind of a similar thing, like everything went black for them and then they just broke down and started crying. I had to take them upstairs and do some work with them real quick.

And honestly, I think with her, I think it was more of she just kind of psych herself out. But at the same time, her, I don't know if it was her boyfriend or her husband or who it was with her, he actually needed clearing. So in the process of clearing her and calming her down and getting taken care of with her, I also cleared him. It was actually really cool because he at first, like, I had to pick up a piece of Laramar and I think the Laramar just started instantly just like clearing what was on him.

And he said he felt really tired all of a sudden and just kind of felt zoned out. And then after I just started handing him some other crystals and kind of like revitalizes energy and why not we got him some water. And he started telling me like he started to feel a little bit better than he had in a long time. I've done a lot since our last episode.

You're gonna be busy. I have been. Before all the quarantine stuff happened, I actually had another one of our friends who did a podcast, Life on the Rocks, please. It actually contacted me and had some activity going on her house.

And it confused me because I know Peaches has been there and actually put a binding on her home and I've seen the bindings that she's done and it's they're extremely effectively keeping spirits out that aren't supposed to be there. It doesn't work across our spirits, they live by a different set of rules but across our spirits are usually angelic. Yeah, they usually don't catch you. And they don't interact.

But there was definitely something going on like I called Caden as soon as I got the message from Laura and I said I don't know what's going on but I got this feeling like this is not something I need to do alone. I need you to come with me. He's like sure. So we set up the very next day and we were down there at her house and both Caden and I as soon as we got to the house and we arrived separately.

But as soon as we both got there, we both felt very uneasy, very unwelcome into her house and she's a good friend of ours. She I've been there a couple times when we recorded episodes with her and I've always felt super welcome and the house has always felt very inviting but I felt at this time I was not wanted and I've never felt that her house before. Caden felt very uneasy as well and we started getting into you know she gave us dinner as a thank you and we got into the investigation kind of trying to figure out what was going on and it was completely random that Pete has actually called me right when we started. So I'm like oh well it's like they have you on the phone is there any way you can help me out and tell me what's going on.

Like while we're talking. Yeah it was completely random she didn't know I was there. She was just calling to say hi and I told her you know what was happening and I was confused and I told her I'm like there's definitely something in the house I can feel it. I know there's something here there's something going on but I'm confused because you put a binding on it and I asked her if there was a way that something could bypass her get around if there's some loophole to the bindings and she said there's two.

There's something super demonic in nature that's above her pay grade and it's basically something that we've never actually experienced before. So like or it's the second option it's someone who placed a curse on the person that the binding was put on and being that the binding was done on Lara. That's what we were able to determine. Brandy did her astral projection came and you know one thousand told us exactly what it was there was some of the she had actually recently come contact with and I don't know if it was intentional or not but there was something that they had put on her that was allowed at least one entity in the house with her.

And thankfully it was that was the second thing it wasn't the extreme demonic thing in nature I'm just like that point I would have like peace out Lara. Bye. No not really I would have known myself but she explained to me she's like Caden's gonna know exactly what to do I don't know how to do this but you need to do a circle of light and I'd honestly never heard of that before and I knew it's funny because when Brandy tells me that I can do something I believe I just know that I can do it because she wouldn't tell me I could if I couldn't. So we performed a circle of light so what we did is you put a big white a white of course is why it's salt.

There's black salt. There's black salt. There's black salt. There's black salt being salt.

You put a circle of salt on the floor and you have the person stand in the salt and then you stand there with them. For a reason I felt compelled to just put crystals down around the circle as well. I've never used obsidian rose quartz amethyst and selenite or something. I think I think I'm gonna sit here.

I just put stones down that I just felt I needed to put down. What I thought was interesting we get in the circle and we started to do the circle like this. Basically Kate and I had formed another circle with our arms around her. We just put our hands together and formed another circle so it's a circle.

It's a circle and we started pushing our white energy towards her to help clear off of whatever this was that was on her. When we finished pushing our energy I felt I needed to align her shocker and just cleanse her aura and sweep out some more negative energy. While I was doing this I got to about the second sweep I got to the bottom of her neck and it literally felt like someone was pushing up against my hands. I was able to fight through that and push it down and clear her aura.

I actually found it later. It was one of those things where it was like I said even though she told me it was something I could do I still get something I'd never done before. There's still that little bit of doubt and that's what was pushing against my hands was my own self doubt. I had to fight through that and I was able to clear the energy off of her.

She literally felt drained. She said her body was sore and I'm just like you need to drink a lot of water because this took a lot of energy out of all of us. It was interesting because as soon as we finished all that and we were done and got out the energy that was completely done 180 like it felt like it's normal house again. Everything was fine.

Everything was gone after that. It was really cool. It's always fun to go to someone's house and be able to help them out like that. And as you bring this up I do remember a residential that we went on that was after the last podcast and before the quarantine shut us down.

But it was me and Don and Jade and Jamie that went and this lady she complained about just being sick. She was just always sick. I think she complained about being pushed. I think she had heard voices and then just kind of a just a sense of unease.

She says there was only one room in the house that she didn't feel bad in. And she actually started sleeping in that room because when she slept in her room I think she could even feel things. Do you have ghosts? We've got ghosts in our basement.

Sorry our box for our soundboard and the tarp fell over. So we went and after doing our investigation we determined that it was an air elemental. And it was interesting because while we were investigating a couple things happened. Jade was up in the bathroom and I was standing just a few feet away from her and all of a sudden she goes whoa.

And I said what? And she said I was just standing here and she goes I saw a shampoo bottle and she says if a shampoo bottle is going to fall over you know it's going to fall. You know gravity everyone's seen things fall over. But she said it was in slow motion and it slid very slowly.

And she said there was nothing there. She said I could get it if it was I get something that was kind of holding it up. You know friction keeping it. But she said it just kind of there by itself and it just did this really slow fall over and we're like ooh that's cool.

And it wasn't 10 minutes later that we were in the bedroom where the homeowner said all the activity was and I was sitting on the bed. I don't remember if it was a TV or a computer monitor but I mean that kind of the same thing. And I'm sitting there in the bed and it turned on. And I looked and I you know I looked at the homeowner because it was just her and I said did you just turn the TV on?

And she said no and I thought well okay I sat on the remote because I sat on the bed and the TV came on. And so I got up and you know we were taking all that. Anyway by the time we found the remote it was way over on a table you know a few feet away from any of us and so there's no way that we could have turned it on. So the interesting thing is with the with air elemental one of the things that you can use to keep it away is iron pirate.

Iron pirate and so we told her to use my own pirate and there's other things you can do and so we were doing the other things and then we said and then get some iron pirate and put iron pirate in each of your rooms and she looked at us and she says you know she says you know the one room that I said in my house feels good and I said yeah she says there's already some iron pirate in there. And I love it when that happens because it just what's the word I want? Validates. Validates thank you.

It just validates. Yes you know we got it right. I mean we usually try to. We had no idea that she had her own pirate in that room.

No it didn't come up no one had said anything or asked anything because why would you think about it? She just smiled at your ear and she was like that iron pirate in there. I think her dad had collected some stones and she had a bunch of stones in there and iron pirates one of them. So and it really helped her to know that you know that we did a good thorough job and that you know we had determined what was there correctly which was good for us.

So that was a that was a fun. She was a fun lady too. Sweet I can't think of anything else can you but any other investigations we've done like the last two months? No because the last three weeks we've just all been cloistered in our homes.

Alright so we'll move on we'll get into the topic of the show. The show might run a little bit longer than ours and you guys just have to deal with that because I said so. Do you love us you miss us? So this this case that we're going to be talking about this is actually an Ed and Lorraine Warren case that involved John Zafus who we've actually met and he's been on the show.

He's a really cool guy. And when I was researching this I knew that it was an Ed and Lorraine Warren one and I knew that John Zafus was there a few but I didn't realize that he helped with this as well. I sort of remembered that. I know it's been like two years almost since we met him and he's a super nice guy.

I believe when he was on our show or at some point in time because I had to talk to him quite a bit while I was here he did mention to me that he was involved in that case. And the case is? The case that we're referring to is the family is the Snedeker family I believe I'm not saying that right but you might know it more as the movie from 2009 the Haunting in Connecticut. And what this case is the so we'll talk a little bit about what the movie is and what it was like.

I'm going to talk about kind of what actually happened with the family. So it starts out with the mom and the oldest son driving home from a hospital. They were commuting from New York to Connecticut almost daily about it. I think it was something like 360 miles round trip because he had a medical issue.

He was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma I believe is what it's called. And so he was actually going this is back in 1986. Like I said back then it was kind of taboo whereas today everybody just kind of talks about it. It's not a big deal.

Sort of there are some people that like it for your large groups I won't talk about it but so the movie is about it starts out with them coming home from one of these trips to the hospital and then it gets into where the parents are talking like it's dangerous for the mom to be driving as much as she is because he's basically like eight hours round trip with driving to and from. I think they're going from New York to Connecticut and back in a day and they're doing this like daily. Yeah and the poor kids had chemo and his nauseous and he's in a car and car sick and yeah it was miserable. And it's draining on her as well and she's like the dad's worried that she's going to fall asleep behind the wheel.

So they decide despite all their financial struggles that they're going through at the time that they're going to try to find a rental property in Connecticut and move the family closer to the hospital so it's not as taxing on the mom with the long distance driving. So as they're determining this and they decide they're going to do this in the movie she has to be driving past a house that there's a landlord outside and he's nailing a for rent sign up in the street and she's like you know it looks like a really nice house from the outside I probably can't afford it but I'm going to ask you anyways what's the going right and he's like you know I'll tell you what if I don't have to finish pounding the sign I'll give you the first month's rent free and so I'll think about it and I think it was a couple days later they're driving home and he gets like really sick so she turns around goes straight to the property and rents it. She's like we're taking this the next day the rest of the family moves down and joins them there and that's when. I guess before they moved there I guess it was the first day she tells the son you know since you're sick and whatever and we're here go go around the house find the room that you want and that will be your bedroom so he wanders around the house he finally gets to the basement and decides that that's where he wants to have his bedroom.

Actually I think that was the second night the first night he has some weird dream that he goes into the basement and there's a locked door and he can't get behind it but he's like this face hit the window and then so it's the next morning he decides that he wants to have his room in the basement. And that would be a freaky dream to have I wouldn't like to have that dream. He has some crazy dream. I think if I had that dream I would not want to have my room in the basement.

I probably wouldn't either. But she asked him she's like freaky down here. Why do you want your room in the basement? He's like oh no it just kind of picked me and she's like what he's like nothing never mind.

So the getting things set up and the mom's it's a nice tile floor and the mom's down there with an old mop bucket and she's mopping the floor and all of a sudden he sees the water turn to blood and she doesn't see this as just him so most of the activity that's happening throughout this movie is happening just to the son. So he sees the water turn to blood and he freaks out and she's like what's going on? He's like oh nothing because it goes back to normal. Later he's setting the dinner for table.

He sets the plates down on the table, turns around and sets the silverware down and the plates are back on the cupboard. And yes his mom went to put the plates back and she's like I didn't. I'm just over here doing this stuff and so I turn around and get the plates again and then they'll just fall onto the floor. And he tells her about it and she starts to think that maybe he's hallucinating and they'd say you know you can't have hallucinations or they'll stop this experimental treatment because they said that it might be a side effect and if that is a side effect they have to stop the chemo basically.

And as time goes on more stuff starts happening. He starts seeing this mortician basically carving some letters and stuff into the skin of a dead person and chanting some spell like trying to bind them to the house or whatever. And eventually they're able to kind of get into that room and they realize that the house used to be a funeral home and the room that they originally kind of get into was where they did the embalming and taking care of all the bodies after they passed. At one point they're like playing hide and seek and the younger brother gets downstairs and he convinces him to climb on this gurney and then he just starts spinning the gurney and freaking the kid out and gets like yelling and screaming telling him they'll their brother to stop.

And he eventually does. But throughout the whole movie he keeps saying having these dreams and visions of this kid who they eventually find out his name is Jonah. And Jonah actually lived in this house with a mortician whose name was... I know.

Oh my gosh. Oh Ramsey Aiken. And so what Ramsey Aiken supposedly did is he would conduct seances in the house using Jonah as a medium and he kept seeing all these different like seances and stuff going on. And at one point I guess he's at the hospital he's like hallucinating and seeing crabs crawl over him and there's happened to be a priest there at the hospital that realizes something is going on so he gives the kid his name is Matt in the movie and gives him a card that says if you ever need anything give me a call.

And he really told them to ask the spirits what they wanted. I know that at one point he asks the spirits what he wants and everyone comes home later to find out that Matt's actually... If he's got all the chairs stacked up weird on the table in the living room and he's curled up on the floor and his fingers are all bloody and there's scratch marks all over the wall. They start blaming all this weird behavior that Matt's having because he starts getting aggressive and starts being just kind of different.

He's not just normal self and they start blaming this all on the chemo and the illness that he's going through. And at one point they find a box of photos that show Jonah when he was younger and they actually find a picture of him with this goop stuff coming out of his mouth that they later explain the movie as ectoplasm and it's apparently something that mediums ooze I thought that was a little weird cuz I never heard anything like that but they end up calling him and his cousin. So who's all living in the house? It's the mom, the two brothers and the daughter and then a cousin and then the dad would live there on the weekends he would come back to New York for work during the week.

And in the movie the dad's now calling and this comes to play a little bit later but they decide to... Matt and his cousin Wendy decide to do some research and find out that this dude, a aching guy was holding seances and whatnot in the house and doing necromancy basically is what they said he was doing and he gets sucked into one of these visions where he basically is like Jonah's inside of him showing him what's going on. And it's like the last seance that happens in the house because they found out that everybody there was a sense going on and like Aikman and everybody that was found like burned and dead in the house and Jonah just vanished. So they show Matt kind of what had happened that Jonah was actually while the seance was going on this like bright light all the ectoplasm coming out of his mouth is bright flashes and it basically just burns everybody.

And it tells Aikman is still alive long enough to tell Jonah to get out of the house because they're coming after you next. Jonah tries running, gets into the dumb waiter and ends up in the basement where he gets locked into the crematory and the spirits like Trappins I have been burned alive which is why I don't found him. So they actually call the priest to come over and he's checking things out. He's able to find the remains and removes them from the house because he thinks that it's this Jonah's spirit that's causing all the problems.

Now one of the things that they mentioned in the movie is apparently there was like when they were building the freeway to this town there was a cemetery and they uprooted some of the caskets and inside of them were just sandbags there was no people in them. And I know at some point in time it would flash through like some of the visions it would show them feeling something off into the sandbags inside the mortuary and come to find out the other bodies in these coffins it was just sandbags. And so the priest at one point like mentions that he thinks that this doctor was doing all this, the funeral director was doing all this. He was in the box as well with the pictures they found the eyelids that were cut off of the bodies.

And the priest thinks that he was doing that because he wanted he was making all of these bodies that he basically stole. He was cutting the eyelids off to make them watch into the house to make sure that nothing bad would happen to the house. So he removes the spirit of Jonah and after that happens man actually wakes up from an app and he's got all the engravings the carvings carved into his skin. So they rush him to the hospital and while he's at the hospital the same time as the priest is like driving away they both have like a vision of what actually was going on.

And the priest gets on the phone calls the house, I think the two younger kids are playing or whatever while the cousin is taking a shower. Now he's leaving a message like, you know, Jonah was actually there protecting the house, you guys need to get out as soon as possible, he can't be in the house anymore. And then all of a sudden the shower curtain comes off the rings wraps around the Wendy and basically like starts going to my mouth and like squeezing our face suffocating her and eventually just comes off. And while the parents are talking to the doctors about Met saying that they told him about the hallucination she says no he's responding to the...

Well what part of the responding to the treatment they determined that it's not the treatment or the medication that's causing them to see these things. But then they also get to the point where like but we're not sure how he's still alive, how the count of his cells or whatever with the disease is like he should be dead. We're not sure why he's alive. Next thing now they go back to talk to Matt, the window's broken through and he's gone.

Meanwhile the other patient, he's sitting there quoting this crazy poem and we'll have to jot it down and put it on Facebook because I don't remember right now. Talked about two dead boys standing up to fight and they faced each other with their backs together or something. One dark night in the middle of the day two dead boys got up to play. Yes.

Back to back they faced each other, drew their guns and drew their swords and shot each other. A deaf policeman heard the noise and came and killed those two dead boys. Yes. So he's going to quote and that and it goes back to the house where Wendy is like at this point doing dishes or something to Matt you see him come across the backyard with an axe.

She freaks out locks the door, he uses the axe, smashes in the house, tells that Wendy and the other kids get out of the house and he starts barricading on the doors. Time to find out that scratches when he was trying to break into the wall what was actually happening in that room is all the dead bodies that this dude stole were buried in the walls. So Matt's hacking up the walls, freeing all these dead bodies and then he lights the house on fire with him still in it. The parents get there, see this going on.

They're able to get past the fire department and the place and all that other there. They get in the house, they're able to get Matt out meanwhile the house is burning down behind them. Matt basically passes away at this point but they're able to revive him and that's pretty much the end of the movie. Like Jonah, they see Jonah walking away.

He's no longer a burnt mess. He's his normal self and apparently this whole thing with the burning of the house and all that that released all these pissed off spirits from the house and it fixed the problem of why it was haunted. And that's kind of a I want to say brief rundown but I think that's about like 10 minutes to explain but that's kind of how the movie goes. It's been around since 2009 if I've spoiled anything for you I'm sorry but it's 11 years old.

That's how the movie goes. That is sort of accurate as far as like what actually happened in real life. I know it's funny. I kept saying something that's not how it happened in the documentary with the real people I watch and I kept saying like he's talking about the movie just to be quiet.

So that's how it goes in the movie. It's actually kind of, I mean there's a lot more that happens in the movie. You might want to go back and watch it. It's a PD-13 so some of the stuff that the claim actually happened in the house they can't put in the movie.

Some of the websites I was reading basically said the family claimed at one point that the parents were being raped and sodomized by these spirits. And so as far as like what actually happened, yes the son, his name was actually Philip. And the Seneca was their names. The mom was Carmen.

At the time was Seneca. They got divorced in her. She got a Carmen Reed now. So the son did have cancer and they did actually buy this house or rent this house and I'll post a picture of that as well.

It's a cool looking house. It's a cool looking house. And in the documentary that we watched they laid out exactly how the mortuary was laid out and what rooms that they did the ball means in and where the bodies were stored. I mean it was really cool.

Left to bring the caskets and the bodies up to the display in the main floor. So they did move to this house now. The movie was based on a book that was written by a gentleman of the name. I believe it was Ray Garten and his book was called In A Dark Place, The Story Of A True Haunting.

You can't really find that book anymore. It's out of print for mainly the controversy that this book brought on. Yeah and the mom was not far from and was not happy with the way the book was written. She felt it was very misrepresented.

So starting with the book, this Ray guy had actually had been quoted as saying that it's a hundred percent fictitious. That everything that was in the book was made up and that nothing really happened. He said that the family when he was getting their stories, they all seemed confused and that their stories differed from person to person and from day to day. The stories weren't consistent.

And so I guess he was supposedly hired by Enlory and Warren who asked him to write this book and he called Ed and said, you know, I've got nothing like this family. It's they're so spotty on their story. And reportedly from the this guy who said that Ed had actually said, you know, the family's crazy. There's not really been going on.

Just use what you can to make up the rest and make it scary. This is what the author said. In this documentary that we watched, it's called The Real, oh, Jesus, I can't remember. It's on the Blu-ray and it's also on YouTube.

But in this documentary, they interview Lorraine Warren, they interviewed John's office, they have Carmen's in it and there was actually two cousins. So the whole family, there was the two cousins that lived with them, they were basically like living babysitters and then there was the three boys and a girl and then the parents. The name of the documentary is called The Fears Real Reinvestigating the Haunting in Connecticut. It's about a half an hour long.

And it's actually a good documentary. It's kind of fun, not fun, but it's interesting to see the family's perspective on what happened to them. And they actually refute the book and say like Dan said, they were upset about the book and they didn't like it. They didn't give her any editorial rights on the book.

They didn't take out anything that she wanted them to take out. They just did whatever they wanted. And then I did find it interesting that they interviewed John's office and John's office said that doesn't sound like something my uncle would say or do. He and my aunt took what they did very seriously and they wouldn't have concocted a story just for the sake of a story.

They dealt with enough real-life stuff. They didn't need to make up stuff. No. And they did mention, and this is all towards the end of the documentary, but Carmen got upset and kind of distanced herself from the Warrens and everybody else after this whole thing was over.

They moved to a different state. I guess because with, I get where the Warrens are coming from on this one because Lorraine just says to us it was just another case. It's like they were a nice family. Right.

You can't get too emotionally involved with everybody that you deal with in this sort of thing because it would be too emotionally draining, especially for Lorraine where she was an empath and very sensitive. But they show them going on like a TV show to talk about the investigation or the experiences. And the family felt that they were just using this case to gain notoriety and exposure, which is interesting in my opinion because before this they'd already done Annabelle. They'd already done Ed and Phil.

They'd already done Annabelle on top of a number of other cases. So I don't think that they were trying to get famous off this one case being the fact that they were already. Already famous, right? I mean, and I look at it not that we are on the level of Fred and Lorraine Warren.

Did I say Fred? Yeah. Sorry, Fred's my favorite name. I'm sorry, name of course myself.

I already have. Anyway, so we're not on our level. When we talk on the podcast, people are interested. We've had people say, we want to hear more about investigations.

We want more details on investigations. And when people deal with the paranormal, they want details. They want what's going on. They wanted to hear experiences.

And to me, and I'm not trying to, I believe that this family went through something dramatic and so I don't want to downplay what they went through. But as paranormal researchers and the rain, they can't just say, oh, we've done a lot of investigations and we can't really talk about it because that takes away from their credibility. They have to be able to say, this is what we've done, this is what we've been, this is what we've had to deal with. And that's my take on it.

I don't think that the Warrens would have tried to bank off of that. No, especially like I said, they had just done earlier that decade, in the early 80s they done the Annabelle House in New York. So if you're going to get famous up on something, you're going to get famous up on it. So some of the questions that they had people had was, you know, was the house really funeral home and yes, it was.

It was actually confirmed by the previous owner, I believe, it was confirmed by neighbors. There was actually documentation. However, on some other websites that I read, they claimed that there's no place to go. It proved that there was an actual funeral home and that the landlord showed up and said, no, it wasn't a funeral home, it never was.

But the thing is, watching that documentary, they actually showed pictures of the casket lift and of the gurnies and some of the stuff in the house. Right. So I got an interview with neighbors that helped go get corpses from the hospital that had died. And, you know, they're, you know, I'm just saying, yeah, hey, can you help me?

Yeah, there's one guy. I go and pick up a body at the hospital, you know, and neighbors and people that talked about it and confirmed it. Well, and like John Zaffus is very much involved in this case and we've met him in person. He seems like a really good guy.

I don't have any reason to doubt anything that he's done. He's also confirmed that it was a funeral home. I mean, the kids, they go into great detail about the room and how they slept in a room that used to be displayed for caskets where people come and pick up the casket that they were going to bury their loved ones in. Right.

So there's no doubt in my mind that this was a legit funeral home, despite what other websites and things are that it wasn't one. Right. And one of the other things to me that lends credibility to it is if you're going to get an exorcism, you can't just go to the exorcism store and call it the exorcism guy. The Catholic Church will not do an exorcism unless it falls into certain criteria.

I mean, you've got to prove that you've really got some shit in the fan before they will go and do anything. And so the war installed them, you need to take this public because that's one of the best ways, you know, to get the notoriety, to get the church to come in and do it. And it wasn't, you know, to get the notoriety, but it was to get the church's attention of something's really going down. And so they went public, they let the news come in and do some, you know, some news clips on TV and there's several news articles and newspapers.

And as Tim mentioned earlier, you know, that we didn't have the, you know, nowadays it's like paranormal, cool. Back then it was very much a taboo subject. You know, people did not talk about it. Well, they mentioned that in the interviews where they interviewed family or kids, the friends of the kids when they were going up and they're like, yeah, they never mentioned this.

Like what eight year old keeps a secret like that that they have ghosts in the house? And it's just like, I don't know. I'm like, it's been a long time since I've been eight, but probably back then. And then like Dell had the same problem when he was a kid and like I said, he talked about it on our last episode.

It's like, how do you tell people that you're having this and get them to believe you like he could the kids couldn't even get their own parents to believe them. Their stuff is going on. So I'm like, your parents think you're crazy. So why are you going to go tell your friends about it?

Yeah, you don't want your friends to think you're crazy. And you know, these every single kid and even the parents said, you know, people stopped playing with their kids and you know, the kids said, you know, our friends didn't play with this anymore. Once they went public with it, once it was out there on the news and went on, then they the whole family got cut off when basically everybody knew they stopped. And then they ended up moving to, you know, to start over.

I was like, I don't think you'd make that up just. They did have one friend mention how one of the cousins went over to their house to hang out and the dad of the friend was just like, oh, we didn't bring any of the girls with you. And she said that like, all the tables on the deck or all the chairs on the deck just went sliding like the umbrella opened up on its own. Yeah.

And then the table levitated off and like moved several feet and they were like, but when you hear the, and you know, and I don't deal with, I don't claim to be an expert like Edler and Warren or John Zappas and you know, deal with a lot of these really, really demonic entities, but everything that they said that happened, you know, dark myths and you know, the voices and everything smells smells, you know, it's like, yep, yep, you know, the things I've read and the minorish things that we've dealt with, everything fill in line with things that you and I have dealt with, the other three of us have dealt with on investigations here, to a lesser degree of course. But my gut feel is, my take on the actual documentary was yes, it did happen. Are there some details that might be skewed because of fear and time and you know, even you know, mediums, we can take three mediums into a room and they're going to see things differently. I think this family may have been a little more sensitive than most people and they probably experienced everything just a little differently, you know, saw things a little differently.

I think that they kind of looked to the Warrens as mentors and I think that they wanted a more emotional attachment to them where to the Warrens it was a business deal. So I think there was some misunderstandings going on there. You know, there was some speculation on whether or not the family knew if it was a funeral home before they moved in and there's, it all depends on who you're talking to because the landlord claims that he notified Carmen that it was a funeral home at one point. I guess the house was built like in the 20s maybe earlier and it was a funeral home for decades and according to Carmen, they didn't know it was a funeral home until after they moved in.

I guess there was a wall of like stuff in the basement and when they started cleaning up, that's when they found the gurnies and the embalming equipment tools and stuff like that it was a funeral home. At that point when they, she says that they'd approach the landlord about it and basically was told that if they were to leave, if they were to back out of the deal, they would lose their deposit and their first month's rent. So like in the movie, the guy says they'll give him a free rent that didn't actually happen. After they moved in, that's when the stuff started occurring but it wasn't just, the movie shows up focusing mainly on the sum but it was actually happening to everybody in the family.

Yeah. I mean from what I heard, it seems like it was mostly happening to the son and the mom. Yeah. So the mom did actually, she did see the water that she was mopping with turned to blood and she said she had called over, there was a contractor somebody that was doing some work on some ground molding and asked her to come over and look at it and she said the worker looked at it, got kind of close and then just got up in the left without saying anything in the number of things.

I never came back. You want to know what I would do? If I owned a building that used to be a mortuary and I was going to rent it out to people, I'm not going to leave all that crap in the basement. I'm going to clean that stuff out, take it to the dump or sell it to a mortuary museum or something.

I don't know but I'm not going to leave it there for my tenants to find and go with it. Yeah, my grandfather had a building down in Provo in a store that I used to work in when I was really young, 12, 13 years old and it was actually, had been a mortuary previously to a reconstruction around the building, the original building had been there and they'd done the construction around the building but I remember as a kid, you know, I need up into my apartment above the building into my 20s going down in the basement and yeah, it was kind of interesting. So it might take on mortuaries and I've been in several mortuaries. I'm a bagpiper.

I'm going to practice in a chain of mortuaries. And I don't think, I think just a mortuary in and of itself is going to have spirits but I think for the most part they're going to be those that cross over and you know, I've heard morticians tell stories about stuff that happens in mortuaries but the thing that I think is a little different in this case is the sun, the older son what was his name again, Mike. Philip. Philip.

Philip. As he said at one point, I can't remember if he said he doesn't remember if it was a voice or if he just the thought came to his head but somehow he heard a voice say you don't know what they did to the stairs. John's office actually heard that. Was it done to her that?

It was when John was investigating. It was that they saw dark mist or mass coming down the stairs and I remember him telling us that I don't know if it was on the episode that he was on but I remember him mentioning that. That's the here it saw the dark mass and then in the documentary he mentioned that he heard that voice and he he he claims in the documentary that he doesn't know if he heard it in his head or if he actually heard it out loud he still knows it's day but he did hear you don't know what we've been through. So that tells me that it wasn't just let's take grandma who passed and have her involved and have a service and and you know a gravesite and you know now we're sad and we'll move on.

I think there was some hinky stuff going on. There probably was and that's a little bit farther down on the list but just kind of discover some of the things that happened in the movie that actually happened like the dishes putting themselves away it happened to the mom apparently it didn't happen to the son. So they were both having like the mom and the son were having visions and stuff and they didn't think of they didn't ever think it was like a side effect of the chemo they just thought you know like the Philip did start going becoming more angry and more aggressive. There was a time when they were playing hide and seek and the one of the sons I believe his name was Bradley decided to hide on the gurney and he covered himself in the sheet and then Matt found him and started spinning him around.

So that did actually happen. The same things wasn't a side effect of the chemo they didn't ever think that but she did think that Matt was having or not Matt. His really was Philip. Karnethal was having some mental issues so she did actually lock him into a silent they put him on a mental institute for I think like 45 days.

As far as like we've mentioned that the kids did actually sleep in the basement where the coffins plays were when it gets to the whole Jonah thing and aching and all the sciences and stuff totally faults that stuff was just made up to explain where the spirits had come from. They do that movies it's I don't know why they need to explain why things are there instead of just saying okay they're there. They did actually did find pictures in the house and they did get rid of those photos there were no why but obviously because that part of it didn't actually happen. They never met the preacher in a hospital that was all made up as well.

What happened was they I think the carmen was talking to someone about it and they had a newspaper clipping that had the warrants information on it and they called in the rain warrant and they'll be there tomorrow. So then the warrants came to investigate the home. And if those are the few that are unaware of the warrants lived in Connecticut. So and then there's one thing I didn't mention the movie right I did talk about the father being an alcoholic.

So the movie he comes home drunk one night and all the lights are on and he starts getting all angry the lights are on yelling and turn off lights and then he goes to the point where he starts taking the light bulbs out of the fixtures. And although he didn't actually do that while he was drunk what happened was they saw the electricity bill and I was and he got upset because the kids and the family members were sleeping with the lights on. So he did take all of the lights and the one son I believe his name is Benjamin remembers waking up one night and seeing his younger sister at the top of the stairs flipping the lights went on and off and you would see the flashes of light coming from the fixtures. He'd able to see the lights coming on and off despite the fact that the lights were removed.

Were no light bulbs and fixtures because dad took them. So they did kind of depict that in the movie a little bit so the lights flicking around that actually did happen. The son went upstairs to ask a sister what the heck she's doing and his parents are like no you're crazy she's in bed and he goes and checks and she's a bit sleeping and they're like you know the lights can't come on anyways because there's no lights and fixtures. They did everything they could to try to convince their parents that there's something going on.

They even tried to use their little toy audio recorders to get EVPs and stuff. Yeah and they said it was so scratchy. They said it was like static and what not. I think what really did it.

There was one point where the robot that flew across the room and smashed but what really did it for him is there were some crucifixes over the doors in the mortuary and the crucifixes just vanished according to Carmen. And when those left I was right about the time they instituted institutionalized Philip and she said one of the last words that he said is they're going to come after you now. They're coming after you now. Right.

And the interesting thing is when they were doing the interview they were talking about the crucifixes and there was one hanging on the wall behind her and it fell down while they were doing the interview. The camera crew actually started filling cold spots in their room and they started hearing weird people get the interview over with. Yeah but it did start to target her and I hope I'm not jumping ahead. No.

But the shower scene actually happened to the mom if I remember correctly. Yes and I believe her name was Tammy was one of the cousins living there. She had to come and figure out of the curtains. Yeah so that did happen.

I think so it was around that time and then there was the Tammy wore a rosary with the crucifix on it. Yes. Carmen and Tammy both saw the crucifix levitate up off of her neck and eventually just snap and break to the floor. They actually showed in the documentary.

She has it in her hand. She still carries it with her to the stay and she holds it out and you can see it. It's in 7, 8, 9, 10 pieces in her hand. So it was that event that led them to call the warrants.

And the warrants like you already mentioned they came in, they went public with it and they got the Catholic Church involved and they performed the exorcism. And they talked about it briefly about some of the stuff that the relics and stuff they put in the house and they conducted the exorcism and when it was over she said it was kind of like what we filled in our house. It was like a 180 change. The house felt comfortable and everything was gone at that point.

I believe the deacon went around to collect his relics and one of the camera in the statue. It was a version of Mary wasn't it? Yeah, it was a Madonna. Yeah.

And the hand were gone. The hand were missing and the deacon refused to take it. So she held on to it for a long time before eventually giving it to John's office to put in his museum. Yeah.

And in the documentary it shows it's funny because you go down into his museum and he's got everything, you know, it's all around it and glass cases around it to keep spirits contained and he takes the glass case and she reaches over and picks it up. I'm like, I would not touch anything. I would either. I'm sorry.

So as far as the burning of the house down like goes in the movie that never happened, Philip did beat the cancer and went on to live his life had four children I believe. At the time the documentary was filmed he was still alive. But this was in 2009 he ended up dying in 2012. The cancer came back and eventually got him and killed him.

But yeah, I think that they did experience the things that they went through maybe not to the extent that you see on the documentary shows that just you know all the time you might want to get so used to telling a story that things get a little bit embellished in because it's people want to enjoy hearing the stories. I don't know if that's what they're doing or not. But they were accused of it because like I said with the Amity book case coming out recently or before that and the movies that were made and the books that were written people claimed that this family was doing the same thing. The less family didn't.

They were just trying to get rich off of their quote unquote experience because people didn't believe that they actually had anything going on. Even one of the neighbors she documented everything that was going on as soon as I showed up. She wrote down in her notebook and took article clippings. I have to tell you she was like the epitome of the window peeping busybody.

Yeah, she would just stare out of her window and with her notebook with her notes and write down everything that was going on in the house grocery. So the one thing that did kind of wrinkle my hide the most is they said you know the family that's living in the house now says oh yeah there's no activity. Everything's perfectly fine. It's like well one maybe not a sense of it was that family wasn't two.

They didn't exercise them so they wouldn't be anything there anymore anyway. So I thought that was kind of fun. Well I've noticed that about a lot of these houses that I mean we've talked with Andrea Perrin and you know from the country from the country. She was on the show talked about her story and you know people say the same thing about her old house that we we don't experience anything.

We haven't felt anything. It's like well yeah if you had something coming to get rid of it you're not going to feel anything. Yeah that means it worked yay. So that it just makes sense.

It's not haunted. It's not just what cleared it so that's. That's I don't know if there's anything else to talk about this case. I would you know watch the movie because even though they really hollywood I'm up and have to change things around to make it a little more appealing for the Hollywood market.

That's still a good show and then definitely go and watch this documentary. I thought it was fascinating. It was very fascinating. It was another one that's on YouTube about the document or about the family.

It was made by the Discovery Channel. It's like two hours long but it's more of a like a reenactment thing than an actual like interview as an actual documentary and it just to me was just a little hulkier. Well, like a dakodrama. Dakodrama?

I only made it about 10 minutes into the show before I was like, I can't watch this. But yeah, they, in my opinion, they probably did go through some of the stuff that they said they went through. Usually when you have stuff like this going on, you don't really make it up. Like, I don't know what kind of person, like, why would you want to have that national attention on you and your family?

That's negative. That's all this negative attention. I mean, they didn't get any dills or anything signed when the book was written. They didn't get any monetary gain from the book.

Yeah, they pretty much moved and just kind of fell into obscurity. So, yeah, that's just my personal opinion. But yeah, they did go through some stuff. And I read that some people were like, well, if this happened, if this was really going on in the house, why did you live there for two years?

And I actually had a discussion with that guy with that work last night and it makes sense that, you know, we kind of, we're talking about like people that are more, a little more well off that have money, can't understand like, well, why don't you just pick up a move? And it's not that easy. Even today, like it's not easy. Like you can't just, all right, I'm selling the house.

I'm out, especially if you're like thinking it's haunted, like, who's going to want to come and get out from you, you know? It was the same thing. I asked Andrea Perrin, the same question. I'm like, you guys were there for 10 years.

And it's just like, when you've put all of your money, everything you have into this house, you don't really have an option. Like, they were already paying a second mortgage in the house in New York. They were paying rent on this. They were paying for all the medical treatments for the cancer.

Like, how do you, you don't have the money? Like, how do you just up and leave? You just deal with it the best you can. Well, and then in the movie, you know, any movie that I've watched, you know, the country and country and the country and the NFL, and we go for, I mean, it looks like there's some fantastic thing happening every single minute.

And in reality, it's probably every couple of days or maybe once a week and they might go, I've read somewhere where they would go for several weeks. And when I say they, I can't remember which one it was, but you'd go for several weeks and everything would seem fine. And then something would happen. And it would, you know, so sometimes too it might be, oh, you know, it hadn't activated for a while, so maybe everything's okay.

Well, like I said, the one cousin over at the friend's house and they had the activity there, she also mentioned like going to the movies and the activity there. So it's not like they could have just up a moved. They were even straight up told, I believe by the war, and it's like, if you move, it's just going to follow you. Right.

And then it's possible once it's in it or something like that attaches to you, just because you move doesn't mean it's not going to follow you like, oh, it kind of depends on if it's attached to the property or if it decides to attach to you and you can't escape myself to take care of it before you move on. Yeah, definitely like I don't feel we're doing this all the justice that we could, but I mean, we're giving you as much information that we can and the short little time that we have, but definitely watch those documentaries. I'll get a post on Facebook. I'll get stuff posted that I promise.

Yeah, because we can't go anywhere else but work. So you can't apply me with time. So we're going to shake things up just a little bit differently and I'm going to do Stone of the Week. We're not going to do a paranormal weirdness because life right now is pretty weird.

So we will let the weirdness kind of settle for a little bit. But not only I go to Moab often, we've got family down there and we're down there two or three times a year anyway. And if you ever go to Moab Utah, there's a rock shop on the north end of town on the east side of the street that if you don't go there, you have not experienced Moab to its fullness. You have to go there.

It's an awesome, they've got all sorts of stones and fossils and you name it, they've got it. And so every time I go in there, I don't go in there with something in mind. I never go say, oh, I'm going to go get Emma this time. I mean, there are times when I have, but if it's been for wisps or something.

But for me personally, I might never go with it with an agenda. I always just walk in and there's so many stones in there, the power in there and the energy in there is crazy. But I just walk over to this one little section and I just kind of wander around until the one that I'm supposed to take home kind of speaks to me. And this time it was, it's called a chorowite.