Welcome. Welcome. Two. Dante's Speak.
It's not about Dante's Peek. It's about the films of Joe Dante. This is our four week dissection of the 1997 movie Dante's. We did very different sort of buckets of research I think for this series, unfortunately.
Just bucking back to the drawing board. Dante's Speak, a continuation of our old Patreon series where we did some select Joe Dante Films. Right. Last week you heard one of those selections in Piranha.
Piranha. Piranha, depending on who you are in that movie. In the movie. Yeah.
We released that from Behind the Paywell. Sort of the wet your appetite. Sort of because of scheduling. But here we are with a fresh Dante episode.
And I think this movie is just a real good one to start a series on. And listen, we're here discussing the film's preeminent sort of like, you know, little guy advocate. Yeah. Mischief is little guy.
So it's only fitting. We've got some mischief is little guys of our own joining us to discuss these films. That's right. So for the series, we're going to have guests on every episode.
Writer, podcaster, host of Slow Learners, which is coming back. It's coming back. It's coming way back. John Semley.
Thank you for having me. You've been, I think, a subject of discussion, well, your work has talked about that elevated horror article. Right. So it's only Ari Aster actually read.
Oh, really? I haven't heard from him, but I assume he knows what he's up to. He just texted you in a phone. You have a middle finger.
It's probably just like stacks of money that he's going to earn. Ari Aster announces new project. John should be afraid. Oh, no.
Oh, no. No, I love his movies. So if you want to read John's article, it's on the baffler.com. It's called I'll read it now.
Read the whole thing. It doesn't read it. Elevate me later. It's called After the pavement that's on tell.
Weirdly, not to shut up my work by having a piece coming out about pavement and the baffler soon. It'll be the second straight article where the headline is a pavement. Sort of carving out an initial. Oh, and super lucrative.
Yeah. Emailing them once a week to ask why you're not on the staff writing, you're not a staff writer yet. I've yet to go through all of the WOWE's alley track, this is right in the corners. Let's get going.
What's the, oh, it's about pavement. It's about the new pavement, the hybrid documentary that's coming out next month. Yeah, I pavements. Yeah, I heard, I did hear about this sort of, I was probably on another podcast, but they brought it up.
It's like, is it part narrative and part documentary? So it's like, I actually think it's really good. And I, so it's essentially like a pavement rock doc that is also a series of pranks and japes. Like they did a fake bohemian rhapsody style pavement biopic.
The research for that biopic is part of the movie. They did a fake pavement museum show in Brooklyn. That's part of it. They did a pavement like jukebox musical off-road way.
That's part of it. And then there's like a sort of documentary element about I think their 2020 reunion. So it's kind of like every way that you could kind of hackishly pay tribute to a band's legacy bundled in one thing. But I think the results are affected.
Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. I like that.
I like the idea of a band being like, now we're getting to all of this first. Yeah, where it's like, I've worked in music docs a little bit. And there's this thing that I was talking about with a co-work the other day called Scope Creep, where it's like, but we're going to do this and it's going to be like this. And then all of a sudden, they're like, wow, let me take, let's put a little bit of this in and maybe we'll fly in some celebrity talking heads and what's Dave Grohl's manager's phone number again.
Right. The sort of like frantic, the way that culture sort of like diffused into a million different pockets now, there's a sense of panic that we're not going to reach everybody. Exactly. Like, I worked on a documentary, but I don't think I could say it, but it's about like a legacy metal band we could say that's coming out soon.
And the producers were like, well, I think I saw Demi Lovato wearing one of their shirts. Maybe she'd be a good interview. That would get some people into theater. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about?
I think Demi Lovato picks her own shirts. Yeah. Right. And it's also like, okay, so we put Demi Lovato in a trailer.
You think that's going to drive people in. Also, it's like, yeah, it's like, well, we get to get younger people into this movie. It's like, well, presumably if they are watching it, they're already invested. And it's like, or by doing stuff like this, you risk alienating the tens of millions of fans of the group that you know, you could sell tickets to.
Right. Billy, what the fuck is Demi Lovato in my megadeth documentary? Yeah. Well, because she also hates Obama, just like Dave Mustaine.
I wish I was making a Dave Mustaine documentary. Oh my God. My least favorite person. That's probably not true.
But yeah. Cool. Enough about Dave Mustaine. Sure.
For now. For the timing, please. We'll have you back on for our Dave Mustaine series. Dave Mustaine.
We're like, yeah, yeah. And to the poor idea of us doing a Dave Mustaine series. That's right. We're talking Piranha.
No, no, that was last week. That was last week. We're talking the howling, ha-hoo. Talking Joe Dante, generally John, a bit of a Joe Dante guy.
I like Joe Dante. Joe Dante falls in Twitter for some reason. I'm a guy for whoever falls in. So I have to like it.
No, but I mean, I like the, I like Piranha. I like when he's in his kind of zany tech, savory mode. And I think that of all the guys of that kind of like Roger Korman exploitation school, I like that he didn't quite graduate out of it. So to say, like, you know, the copellas and James Cameron's and all that.
It's like, okay, this is our film school and then we're kind of going to do our own thing. Like Joe Dante makes movies in the style of a Korman or like William Castle exploitation filmmaker. Yeah. And I like that about him.
We are results are mixed. But yeah. Yeah. We, I mean, William Castle that the mat and a is basically an O2 William Castle.
You're, I mean, you're right. Like the, we're going to be talking about in a couple of weeks, we're going to get to Gremlins to the new batch, of course, the best, the best. But that's just sort of a, it's, it's such a, it's the most Joe Dante, a Joe Dante movie could be. It's, it's what you're saying is like, he never graduated out of that.
He's like, Oh, I just have a little bit more money. And like, yeah, the studio is involved in like interspace and these other movies and like, but they really like the Gremlins and they let me do whatever I wanted them to. And now I'm going like full swing into the zenius bullshit I could possibly think of. And yeah, we're all better.
He doesn't like, he doesn't like hold himself above the material. Like sometimes when you watch genre movies like this, especially if they're made by, for lack of a better word, like directors name, you get the sense that they kind of have like a contempt for the word appeal of it. I mean, the Joe Dante stuff is at its best, like when it is stupid. Yeah.
That is his personality. Right. Yeah. Not to be stupid.
No, he loves that sort of outsized cartoonish elements. Totally. I think the fact that it's underpinned by like, not to get too serious about Joe Dante, but like a real genuine populism and like a pretty healthy sort of, you know, politics for a guy who just makes movies for a living. Sure.
Yeah. That's like, I think that's the difference. Like there's a real sense of just like, yeah, this is like, this is for the people. And I think like that is kind of the thing that Spielberg really likes about him.
Like when they start working together, I love that sort of friendship there where it's like, well, Spielberg famously like essentially let piranha happen because Universal was kind of trying to kibosh it from release because it was going up against the Jaws sequel. Yes. Spielberg's like, no, this is like not competition. It's like a parody.
And then they tried to get Dante to do Jaws three, which was originally titled Jaws Three People Zero. Oh, yeah. It comes up. We recorded out of work.
Yeah, we mentioned that on our last report. Yeah. And so I love, you know, I think that was Spielberg. So it's been kind of Toby Hooper.
Yeah. I think there's something where he almost wishes he could be these guys where it's like, you are getting away, like having way more fun. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a summer fling.
Exactly. His friendships with him. Yeah. Right.
There is like a trashier element to like Joe Tante and Toby Hooper, especially, but like you're right. Once, once Spielberg makes Jaws and he'd be, and then like, then he makes close encounters and then he's like the guy. It's just like the biggest name and he's like, you know, he's just making these huge blockbusters and he essentially invents blockbuster movies with Jaws, right? And then he becomes this name and this guy and he can't really go backwards.
He can't make like a trashy horror movie ever because people are like, well, what's Spielberg doing here? He could produce it. He could like get involved like with Poltergeist or something like that. Like he can, you know, hold up his eyes.
But that's, I think almost later, like Spielberg posts 9-11, I think it's an interesting subject because his films do like minority reports and more of the world. I mean, these are obviously like big blockbuster movies, but they have a kind of old school, bitter, cynical quality that I think is something that was clearly always there. But then, you know, for decades, he had to be like, I have to make Amastad. You know, I can't make a movie where Max Moncito was yucking it up as a sci-fi bad guy, right?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm listening, you know, I think Daniel listening to the blank check series right now, where the time is right now, as we're recording. Yeah, I have it under the cans.
It's very good. I know. But they, I mean, they keep, they bring up the fact that, like, at a certain point, Spielberg is he can't do like the kitty stuff anymore. He has to sort of grow up, but he still has like one foot in it.
Like, you know, he's releases Schindler's List and Jurassic Park in the same year. It's like two sides of the same guy. Two great scourges of our time. The other end dinosaurs.
It's only they had made as many sequels to Jurassic. Oh, Schindler's List as they did to Jurassic Park. Schindler's World. Chris Pratt is Oscar Schindler.
This talent could have five more. Oh, he's firing. He sees a firing of that. Okay.
So I guess we're doing that now. Oh, wow. But also even the whole like Dreamwork stuff where it's, I mean, obviously, that's a fucking money-brifting machine. Sure, of course.
Shrek, are you kidding me? You get that guy at the table? You're printing money. He's green himself.
He's absolutely. Much like money. There is a feeling like when you watch Gremlins, like you like to, at least I like to imagine Spielberg wishes that he could just fucking put E.T. in a blender.
That's right. 100%. Well, he did put E.T. in women's clothes.
So I think the evidence speaks for itself. Well said. Yeah. Which is fine.
Of course. It's 20, 25. Yeah. Yes.
Okay. The howling. The howling. A movie.
It is a movie. The Great Johnson. The Great Johnson. Of Madawan, Eight Man Oats, the best baseball movie ever.
Oh. No, I've never seen that one. It's about the Chicago White Sox betting scandal in the 1910s. Basically, the mob was like, we'll just give you guys money for the game.
Yeah. And they're like, yes, please. Never heard of this. Yeah.
This is a, we're doing a baseball series. Oh, really? You got to watch it. And Lone Star, which I think just got a criteria on release.
It's like a Texas neo-western. That's really good. And brother from another planet, sales is awesome. Yeah.
Very cool. Also, yeah. It's hard for this off of Piranha. So he's a Dante guy for in through.
We'll see him on screen in this. Yes. A little cameo, but also in matinee in like a proper role. Yeah.
Can you ask is Roger Corbin the guy who's waiting to get on the phone? Yeah. Yeah. OK.
Roger Corbin. And then there's like, I didn't recognize the name, but the founder of some sci-fi magazine is carrying his own sci-fi magazine out of Dick Miller's bookstore. Oh my god. We all get there.
But I want to talk about Dick Miller in this movie for like an owl. Yes. He just like, he just walks in, eats everybody's lunch and leaves. Yeah.
He's not sitting for five minutes. I just like, yeah. I don't want to jump too far ahead. But the idea that he's like an antiquarian bookseller, but like, but grudgingly.
It's so funny. The guy we got silver bullets, wolf's bane, bunch of this stupid crap. It's like, why don't you like this stuff? Like your shelves are like this.
I don't know. Some stupid fucking book about monsters. He's like, he like owns like a bodega, basically. Like, he's got that mentality.
He's like, yeah, you bunch of nuts. It's like, you're the one selling this stuff. They're coming to you. Yeah.
Just wait a minute. He's like, help me. Help me over there. You know, hold me down on my rolling ladder.
It's like, the way that he leads us to how he begins it as like, oh, yeah. Those aren't the rules. So the werewolf can transform any time and whatever. And they started asking questions.
Like, I don't fucking know. I don't know. We'll fix that. No, no, no, no.
You're just talking about it. Got to know your product. He's like, I don't believe it. We should say if it's not obvious that this is a movie about werewolves.
And if it's not the entire meson scene of the movie, it's like werewolf based. I think wolf chili wolf, like the funniest detail of the whole thing. And the copy of Howl by Alan Ginsburg on stuff. That's just not a poem about wolves.
And it's like in the pile of like werewolf research. It's such a funny thing. It was like, oh, maybe there's something in here. I don't know.
I guess it does kind of fit into the films like Weird kind of post hippie million or something like that. Yeah. Like the smiley faces and what have you. It's like, anytime someone turns on TV, there's a wolf cartoon or an old movie about werewolves.
Right. The Lon Chaney Jr. The werewolf movie is playing. Yeah, everything has some sort of a werewolf twinge to it.
So this movie comes out in 81, the same year as American werewolf in London, which is a bigger hit. I think probably in general, I think people know that movie a little bit more than this one. But I mean, besides the John Landis of it all, I just think this I'm just more on board with this one in general. I think this is like trashier fun.
That movie also does a thing where every song in it is some sort of a not necessarily like werewolf song. Like I think the Weren's even song is in there. But like Blue Moon is in there. There's a bunch of other like.
Bad Moon rising. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hungry like the wolf. Yeah, totally.
All of that kind of shit. I like this approach much more of just a freaky Italian composer carnival music. Oh, Pinot de Naggio, the D'Pama's guy. Yeah.
So many movies. Yeah. Yeah. Originally, Rick Baker was supposed to work on this movie and then scheduling conflicts, whatever he had to go work on American werewolf, which has the famous werewolf transformation scene, which this one also has a transformation scene.
And it's, you know, that's the only good thing about it. It's like the Landis movie. They just threatened to fly helicopter into Rick Baker and come for a cut. It's movie.
I've done it before. I'll do it again. I'm going to do this. You're going to do this.
There's an terrible tragedy, huh? Yeah. Four year old tragedy. We can we can learn about it now.
Absolutely. It's a good way. So yeah, still do like the transformation in this. Yeah, it's excruciatingly.
It's like I would just leave the room and get in my car and drive away. Yeah. The next person, the next person to come through the room as he starts transforming, they realize they're like, oh, I have plenty of time to sort this situation out. Yeah.
Find a jar of acid to throw at him. The transformation scene is interesting in this because it does feel like there are shots in it that you're like, that looks very fake. Right? Yes.
And then like, you know, it'll cut away and then cut back. And then you're like, oh, this looks more real now. I don't know what just happened. But like something has changed here.
It's it's just that you when you turn to a werewolf, your skin just kind of bubbles a bunch of. Yeah, your nose. A lot of that. Yeah.
Stuff's churning under there. You know, it's like, yeah. Yeah. No, so Rick Baker doesn't work on this.
But he gets his guy, Robotene, to to jump in here. And Boating is just he's another heavy hitter in like 80s special effects horror movies. Quality notwithstanding, I do feel like the difference in style of effects between American Werewolf and this also like sort of mirrors like the Rick Baker Boating difference. I say this again next week.
But I love the cartoonishness of the Boating stuff. Oh, yeah. Just generally. And I think it really jives with like the tone of this movie and Dante, generally.
I also think that like the first time you see a full werewolf is almost Jaws like in the way that it's delayed. Yeah. Where it's like, just to maybe say, I have a plot a little bit. Who's a mean, no need?
OK. I wake them up. I think that like the if there's a genius in like this script, it's essentially tries to build it first like an urban slasher film and then kind of like a cabin in the woods. Yes.
And then at one point, the maker just turns around and there's a full werewolf standing behind her. And that's the first time you kind of like see the full creature. And I think that's a really cool way to do it. Like, you know, again, you know, going in it's a werewolf movie.
Literally, there's my favorite style of horror movie character, which is just like a psychiatrist who is just saying the themes of the movie. It's like we have like a high school English teacher who is like, you know, just talking about monsters and stuff like that. But yeah, the Dr. George Wagner character, like the movie begins like, well, there's a beast inside all of us.
And you might even say that man is more wolf than man. Some believe that we can turn into a war. Before Glee. And yeah, so when you finally see all this wolf talk, much baliude wolf talk payoff, it does feel satisfying.
And I think kind of deliberately funny. Yeah, sure. I love the design of the wolf too, like the very pointy sort of years. Yeah.
How like kind of tall and looks good. Reminding me of the cycle of the werewolf, the Stephen King, like illustration. The illustration, the burn lights and stuff. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah. Very similar sort of. Yeah.
We're reminded me of when you turn into a wolf in Diablo two as a druid. Of course. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm a 400 year old. I don't think anyone who listens to the show is under. You guys are a decker cany from Diablo two. Come on.
So, did have you seen American werewolf in London? I've seen the transformation scene. OK. Yeah, I actually haven't seen it.
All right. I think I mean, it was good. Yeah. But again, it's very different than this.
I'll never forget Landis for what he did to Beverly Hills Cop three. Oh my god. That piece of shit. Holy.
Oh my god. That's not that it's like some sacred text or something. Like how dare you spoil Beverly Hills Cop. But it's like, man, you really you really.
This is not the actual fully that I dressed as for Halloween. Not in a bad way. Yeah. Yeah.
We'll post the picture. I wore the Troy Lions jacket. But it was too warm. And I was like, I'm actually fully.
Don't worry about it. I dressed as actually fully last year. To celebrate Netflix is actually up. Yep.
So let's talk about some of the cast here. We got D Wallace, of course, the great D Wallace. We know her. She's a king alum, obviously, from Koojo.
E.T. Was she just in something else we did also? She was, right? Yeah, but that's good enough.
We can keep it moving. Oh, no. Of course she was in critters. Dan, your favorite movie.
Jesus Christ. Critters. John, where are you staying on? I'm going with a Goolies guy.
There we go. And Goolies three, Goolies go to college. I think. Oh my god.
That's really the second time Goolies. I'm going to college. I came up on the show. There's toilets in college too that you can crawl out of.
That's right. Whatever the Goolies do. Much more centralized piping systems in those dormed. Oh, absolutely.
And clogging. That's a Goolies dream. Rob's a huge fan of the entire critters franchise. I have a soft spot for the critters.
A soft, a little hairy spot. I like that they're foul mouth. But what else do they really bring to the table? They're kind of like Bart Cartman's Stewie.
Yes. Sort of trifecta bad boys. They're quite cartman's Stewie light. As a kid, that's like their little troublemakers.
They're little bad guys. I like them. Could have been worse. Could have been worse.
Love the rolling. Love the rolling. If they made it these days in college, they'd be advocating for Palestinian causes and getting fucking thrown in an ICE detention center saying that you shouldn't shoot a baby in the face. That's trouble making.
That's the rolling. Now. Yeah. The critters are just a problem to repubulting.
Yeah. That's the new take. The critters versus Marco Rubio. That's a pretty even fight just size-wise.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, who else we got in this? Who else? Patrick McMe.
Just like he's an older actor. He was a jonesy on the Avengers. Like the original, like the British sort of spy TV show. He's the psychiatrist I was mentioning.
Yes. Dr. George Wagner. Yes.
He's in, looks like Spinal Tap. He's in View to a Kill. It's like an older British actor. He brings a level of, like, ah, he seems like he should play a psychiatrist or a psychologist on TV.
Yes. In an interview, he says of this role. He says, I play a civilized man. Well, what am I saying?
I play a psychiatrist. No, yes. Very good. How's your role?
Yes. You know, Freud had a patient who was known as the Wolfman. Is that right? Yeah.
It was this guy who couldn't take a shit or something. Because he was known as the Wolfman, because he had his dream of all these wolves in a tree outside his room. And then Freud was like, oh, you can't shit and you're depressed because you saw your parents fucking doggy style when you were a kid. And in that moment, he just goes, whoops!
Loops his bowels all over a face. And that's how psychiatry was invented, the real science of psychiatry. Um, just, yeah. So there are wolf connections.
It's our wife, Richard. Yeah. Yeah. Dennis Duggan.
Oh, he's a great filmmaker. Grown-ups too. Yeah. I mean, he's a big, uh, stand there guy.
He's a golden raspberry. I'm sure many time recipient, I'm sure. Yeah. Actually, if I actually do have it in my notes, I drew a doodle of Dennis Duggan's character.
Yeah, I'm a doodle. Doodle Duggan, lesson eight, you know. Why not? Have a couple beers, doodle Duggan.
Yeah. What we got here, he directed Happy Gilmore, Beverly Bell, Indonesia, Big Daddy, saving Silverman anyone? Save any, bro. Saving Silverman?
Saving Silverman? Oh. Also, also known in some territories as Evil Woman. Really?
That was the title of saving Silverman in certain markets. I have a lot of stuff for saving Silverman because when I got my appendix out in high school, it was one of two movies they had in the hospital VHS collection along with dangerous liaison. So while I was convalescing, I watched saving Silverman probably 15 times. You know, it's like, I think the thing about it, one, it's pretty funny.
It is funny. Two. It's got a lot of zon, which I think makes it infinitely rewatchable. Yeah.
He's so funny. It's got the main man's on. You can't go wrong there. Yeah.
Christopher Stone, this is D-Wallis' husband and also King alum. He was in Koojo. Also, if you remember the subplot that D-Wallis' character in Koojo is having an affair, her husband is like some sort of marketing exec for like a serial company. And she is having an affair with like some guy, just some like chill dude around town.
And Christopher Stone is that chill dude. I think it's so fun that this married couple is, they're playing a married couple in this movie and it's so fucking weird. Like the whole, like the dynamic and then like the affair, the werewolf affair that, you know, the husband has here. There's a weird subplot where they're like sexually frustrated and kicking on the same wavelength and they're just voting because she's essentially traumatized being assaulted.
And she's like, sorry honey, not right now. I'm not ready. It's like, okay, good night. Just like, well, Robert Piccardo basically like held your wife up at nightpoint.
You know, fucking peeping Tom. Like two days ago. I'm like, dude, by the way, you're like, it's so reason. You're giving a beat.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bill's just like, oh, I'm right here.
I'm right here. I have needs to, all right. Also a great character because they make him vegetarian just so that they can later have a scene where he's like gnawing on a fucking turkey leg like every eighth. I love this stuff.
Yeah. I'm actually very, I like me now. Right. That was the line.
I try to avoid meat. Yeah. It's like it says it like five times. Yeah.
And he's like, sorry, I suddenly have a beastie longer inside. That's almost wolf-like in its proportions. She's a reporter, I guess. It's like a news magazine show.
Yeah, she has some great stuff and the scene with her and the werewolf is fantastic. All very tense, but then the shot of the full size werewolf when we do see that. That's with her in the doctor's office. It's such a great scene because she's like looking through a filing cabinet, looking for somebody's file.
She pulls out the file. And then you see a werewolf thing come in and just pick up the file. He's like, all right, is she doesn't find it? I'm not gonna do it.
It's just a seven foot werewolf standing right there and she's like, oh, didn't see you there. And then a bunch of other people, I'm just going to run through something real quick. Some Dante, you know, some of his crew here, Kevin McCarthy, he plays Fred to the producer on the TV show. You got John Carradine here as the old werewolf.
It's so good as the guy who's just like, my teeth don't even work anymore. He only wants to commit suicide. It's like his number one wish. It's just to die the whole movie.
I don't care if it's these new werewolf kids and I can't even get my teeth up anymore and it sucks. It's bad. You just go on hymns. Yeah.
Thanks, sponsor. Huge sponsorship opportunity. Yeah. Slim Pickens, Sam the sheriff.
Amazing. Yeah. Also, this movie has like a kind of gun on the wall quality where you're just waiting for every actor to eventually have fangs and the slim pickens. Slim pickens, right?
He's got like the pencil mustache. Yeah, yeah. Very, very vault, you know, fine or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. And then at the end he's like, I mean, that's the best shit. He's like, you know, like, you know, slim pickens from like, Dr. Strange Love or whatever.
But that voice just cuts through everything. You're like, that fucking slim pickens in the square wolf movie with giant fangs. Elizabeth Brooks as Marsha sort of the, the temptress, the, I don't know, she's, she's just like a sexy woman hanging out at this colony of mostly older men, right? And one like sort of 10 piece bluegrass.
Yeah. Let's not forget them. Yeah. Yeah.
So they're like, yeah, there's like a big family of werewolves that sort of like underpins this whole operation. Yeah. And then it leads into all the sequels, which have this kind of like Carpathian Eastern European werewolf cult vibe, including the howling to, which was ultimately subtitled, your sister is a werewolf and the howling to werewolf bitch. I brought up the sequels because this, the series only seem to, but yeah, me too.
Yeah. But like it goes on, I think there are seven sequels and they go, I mean, the budget obviously just keeps getting smaller and smaller as it goes. They go to like, there's like, you know, the howling for marsupials and they're like in Australia in, in one of these. It's, it's very strange.
But you're right. The howling to is, you know, werewolf bitch. It's notoriously like one of the worst movies ever. It's like, in that list, whenever there's a list of worst movies ever, that's always kind of in there.
Christopher Lee, who plays like the werewolf hunter and it famously apologized to Joe Dante when they worked together on gremlins too. He was like, I'm so sorry, I was in this house. I was like, I don't care. Yeah.
The money spans, right? It's also like they commissioned some new wave band to like write an original song called The Howling, which you just hear it's the only piece of music in the film. There's a werewolf sexing in this movie, but in hand, we're on well, there's there's the drawn bit too, but in. I was like, you know what I mean?
I was masturbated cartoon sex. Howling to their, there's a werewolf threesome where all of them are like halfway turned into werewolves. Yeah. And it's all very strange, but there's this, it's also, I mean, the touristly, the lead actress is civil dancing, who's just like, sort of whatever.
She's like the sexy lady from the 70s and 80s, right? And there's a scene where she rips her top off, right? It's just like a split second. But over like the director took that shot of her ripping her top off and cut it into the credits of the movie over and over and over again.
It's like an animated GIF basically. Like, it's like an in-se-se. It's like the end now, dog page. Yeah.
Or it's like, it's like the credits of a Jackie Chan movie where they just like show the same stamp over and over. It's just like a pair of tits appearing over and over again. Just like, and that's like the legacy of that movie is just like, oh yeah, it's got like the weird titty credit and you know, this sort of unusual werewolf threesome in it. So give the people what they want.
I like the people that heightens on the original. Yeah. We're building. We're world building here.
But I heard sorry, you said a very important name just now. I did. Robert Piccardo as Eddie. Piccardo, he's another, I mean, Joe Dante's guy, right?
Like he's in all of it. But we just talked about, we recorded the inner space episode last week and we were talking about his character, the cowboy in that and how sort of weird the character is. But then at a certain point he has to play Martin Short playing the cowboy, right? So he's sort of going like two or three levels deep on the character.
Where that Yale drama school. Yes. Really comes in the play. Yeah.
Now what if I was Martin Short? Parto, imagine. Yeah. But in this movie he is just playing like a straight up sort of villain, right?
Like just a sinister guy. He's a serial killer initially. Yes. Who newspapers are called the murder in Messiah with an apostrophe.
Yeah, which I don't know why that fits in he standards. But yeah, he's like sort of a young, young up-and-coming urban serial killer who's also a werewolf. Right. And quite the dude.
Yeah, he's got the guys got some talent. The man can do it all. That's right. That's right.
He does very good landscapes, thankfully. Otherwise our heroes would not know that they were in danger. Yeah. All this seems where he's just like kind of whispering all his lines, right?
He's just kind of talking down like this. Yeah. So basically like he's obsessed with D Wallace's character. He's like a news anchor.
Yes. And in order to entrap him, the local police have this amazing play where they use her as bait with a recording device that doesn't work to basically be trapped in like a, you know, jack-off adult video store booth. Right. Yeah.
I mean, it does end up working. So I guess I can't hardly plan that hard. It works by accident, really. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. They shoot him to death through the door. Yeah. Especially she's like, well, I'll happily just like get myself killed so you can catch this guy.
Right. And she ends up being kind of traumatized by the encounter. Yeah, yeah, kind of. If you believe in that.
So I mean, kind of she's very not restful naps as a result of this. Yeah. Yes. We can't nap.
She can't nap. Yeah. I think what Carter is doing here is just like, you know, they're werewolves in this movie and there's just to be just the nastiest guy in the whole damn thing. And then I love when he's acid burns later and he's still just like, yeah, I'm still really bad guy.
And has a bullet hole in his head. Kind of like a bill packs it in your dark. Oh yeah. He's like, has the shit kicked out of it.
Yeah. He's just has been run over several times at this point. He's just like, I'm still going. And then we got a noble willing ham.
I know this guy from the movie City Slickers, but he's like, he's like an old cowboy actor or whatever. Can't Toby as the older cop who shoots, he doesn't shoot Eddie in the adult store. It's the younger cop that does it, of course. But this guy, we saw him, he was in the inner space for that split second when Martin Short is in the bathroom.
And he's like, it looks like he's talking to his penis. The guy is like, play with it. Don't talk to it. That's this guy.
Oh, quite the legacy he's building for the show. Yeah. And we said Dick Miller, Walter, the bookstore owner, just classic Dick Miller, like what do you want from me? Kind of shit.
Where does it be said LA or the Bay Area or something? I think LA. Break is the colonies up north. Yes.
So that Roger Korman is the guy in the booth. Mick Harris pops in for a quick cameo at the very end when D Wallace is transforming on TV and it's cutting two different people watching. Oh, that's my favorite line in the movie where it's like, it's real. She turned into a werewolf.