The Hunger Games Decoded: Power, Propaganda & Rebellion - With The Game of Thrones Historian

So alive. Well, hi everyone and welcome to the Naughty of North Pothcaster. Naughty Pothcaster is also behind all the nerds. I am one of your sons.

And I am very warm today. I'm not sure why. I am the other horse, Paul. And we are joined by a fabulous amazing guest.

I'm going to change that. I wouldn't call you a guest anymore, because it's your third of payments. So I would say a friend, a part of the team now. No, I'm not going to look at that question.

I'm not going to look at that question. You don't want that. Yes, we are joined by the amazing Kelly. Have you heard of her?

Are you on TikTok? Are you on social media? She is a little bit of a sensation. She is the Game of Thrones historian.

Yes, she has the balls to put that out there that she has that name. So well done Kelly. She has the knowledge of the market. She's very much so.

I appreciate it. How are you? It's been a minute since we attacked you down and scared you a little bit. And you're going to have to drop Jake as well.

Yeah. Well, you know, when the passing these trails around, if you root is in or so. No, I'm good. Everything's been going tanny since I last saw you in person.

So thank you for having us back on. And I'm very excited about this topic. You know, I am a Game of Thrones historian. I'm not a Game of Thrones historian yet.

But one day, one day maybe. I'll get there. It's one of those things where you see something posted and you get an idea. And I was like, oh, Kelly's in the Hunger Games.

We've never talked about Hunger Games. And you've not really done much content yet. So I was like, oh, can we get in there first? And say we're one of the first people to talk to the Hunger Games with the new historian of going forward.

So yeah. I will say, I've got to give out a huge thank you to two of my besties, Kayla, Kay Sharees, and Elle from Brooklyn, who I do videos and lies at the moment on TikTok. They were saying, you know, I think you'd like this story. Because I said I've never given the games a chance.

And I was like, I thought it was, at the time I'd said, I thought it was like spikids. So yeah, totally wide the mark. I had no idea that this was going to be something I really enjoyed. And so I was like, OK, give it a go.

You might like it. Read the books and see how you find it. And I got so into the books straight away. And I was like, I can't wait to watch the movies.

I get the books out of the way. I watch the movies. And now I feel like I'm just trying to pick up more and more, like absorb it all. Because it's very similar to the process I've gone through with Game of Thrones, where you just start with a little bit of information and it just builds and builds and builds.

And especially when you find the creators, and the algorithm starts out right to you. Yes. I've given up on the algorithm now. I'll go on them for the first time.

I've been very lucky with the Hunger Games algorithm, because I came across this incredible woman, who's, I think I named Nicole on Nickelette, and she has a Hunger Games teacher. And she talked about the Hunger Games with her students. And some of the ideas that she's put out there, it's just brilliantly inspired. I'm like, I love when you just come across creators.

You really care about what they're talking about, and they know their stuff. And so it's been a really good experience for me to be able to now engage with that content. Because before I would see the old thing, and I thought, oh, that's not for me. So I didn't really have much knowledge.

I was building it up and being like, oh, OK. And then thinking about it from different angles, and from what different people say, to get a better picture of it. And so I feel like, even though it's only been about a year or something, maybe not even that long. I remember when it was, but it wasn't that long ago.

And then I'm like, I can't get enough of it. So I'm so excited, it's like the timing of it, the new book coming out this year. People were like, I've got into this. That's all the Samis went on this week.

I get to talk to this sort about this book, I'm so excited. I've watched it all the time so well. I've all time to start getting into it, right when they're doing a book, and then another movie. And I'll just like, I'll pop very, very lovely with the timing.

Yeah. So, yeah. Well, what I'll do is I'll do the disclaimer, and then we'll crack on open the Hunger Games, because I have been dying to talk about this for a very, very long time. Yes.

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So let's give it a fun, give it a kind, and keep the toxic behaviour out of her notism. Well said. And I want to make the joke now, because I noticed this earlier, and I made the fun of Sami earlier. Yes, Sami has been watching too much of it, always funny, and she has turned into the Catwoman from there as well.

I came up with this one, you went, you got cat, you guys are like, that's me for sure. It's a fashion, that's what it is. It's not, it's dirty hair, and I've nothing to be able to do with it, and just tying it up like this, because I had to go out. Yeah, I'm dead, but...

Just trying to snag Dennis, that's all she was trying to do. But it looks like it looks like they're sitting on top of me, head, said, but no. You've never ever seen it. I live in forest, I'll be asking.

Hi, everyone. She implants next as well. Oh, my God. Imagine if I just start coming on and gradually have whiskers one day, and then it looks like it was the next.

You'll just feel laser in the background, and you'll be like, well, I'll do that anyway. I'll do that anyway. She has a dog from up as well. Oh, score.

Yeah, right. I really am. Hi, everyone in the chat. Welcome to the Sunday episode.

Where do we start? Where do we even start? It's an entrance place to start, because I used two of Red the Boogs. I haven't, so I am just like a movie person where it comes to the stories and stuff.

It's one of those, I enjoyed the movies. I enjoyed the wrong one. I loved the movies. I thought they were done well until certain aspects, which again, we'll get into.

I thought the first movie was absolutely brilliant and set as torn. I think the reason why I love the aspect, the premise of the movie is it's very much the running man crossed between battle royale and certain aspects. If you look at what the storyline, but then it goes a little bit deeper with the political element. But with you still reading the books and seeing the movies, is there a big difference between the two?

Or did they get the vibe right or the characters this year? And was Jennifer Lawrence the first female actor in a year or that she claims the Bay as well? Oh, my God. What a statement.

What's going on? Oh, no. I like Kelly Gopher's. She's fairly new.

I'll say there are some, for the most part, the gist of it, yes. I'd say they're fairly accurate, but there are a few things that are quite major. Like in the books, Peter winds up losing his leg. And so it's like, and that is not something that they get on the movies.

And that does change like a huge part of his character. So I don't think I know it well enough to say whether that's the right or wrong decision. There are people like way more invested in big, have stronger opinions. But it's an example of like the change, which might not necessarily impact the storyline directing, but it does have an impact.

Yeah. So it's a little bit like that. So the way you could compare that to, was like the walking dead comics when Rick loses his hand, to the one in the shore, that they decided not to, because it would have kind of hindered him throughout the year. Yeah, Kirkman didn't want to hinder him in the shore capacity.

And I kind of get that to a degree with a pick with Peter. And what got me though, as I've watched these films when they came out, now I did get them given to me as a battle royale. You know, that's what it's kind of like. It's a teenage version of battle royale from the present.

That's what I was been saying. He was like, yeah, first thing he said, and I was like, you know when you tell somebody about something? And I'm like, oh, okay, we'll never mind them. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, okay, I'm not kidding.

I went and watched it. I like Jennifer Lawrence English. She isn't the first action hero that women actually are. But when I watched it, it was so much more.

The political side of it, the industrial side of it, you know, the way the panama's all structured out. And I only read the books two years ago. The husband bought this for Christmas. And they just sat there until one day I went, you know, I'm going to do this.

I've always wanted, and I really, it's one of those moments where I'm like, I wish I did this first. And for none of the, any reason, I love the films. I just wish I knew this catness first, even though in the first book, it drove me absolutely insane how much those uncolons went into haters as hunting techniques. I didn't need to be in the forest with that as much as what she thought we did.

It was so infuriating. But that side, there was one moment in the end of the last book, the end of the first book that really made me go, oh my God, what an impact this would have been if it was in the movie and it was seen with their beasts, where they all had everyone's faces. Right, right. And it was, and Rue is looking at her.

And it's such a harrowing heartbreak and moment for catness to be in because she has these, one of the call again, you know, the muts, that's it, she has the muts after her. And it's all the tribute faces, the eyes, the look and pose, the look and pose. Yeah, yeah. And the look and di- it is, and the look and directly at her and it's like, that would have been so impactful towards catness's mindset going into the second one.

But in the second one, she's so torn between the person she has to be and the person that come out of the games. And I just thought that extra bit kick and the teeth might have just like, I don't know, that's just, that's just how I felt after I finished reading it. But I literally, I belitt them, folks. I did not want to leave.

I didn't, I wanted to be by here, which aside the whole time, like I love it so much. The competition though, I didn't expect to be as into it. Like I read, I think it was catching fire. I read it in like two days.

And I don't read that quickly. No meaning either. You know what I mean? And it's when you're just like, the sun's out coming up.

I was like, what time is it? I don't know about it. What does it do? But it was just so like, it hooks you in.

And I think it's, it's classed as like YA content, I suppose. I always see the other games in like YA section of like, what's going on, what have you. I don't think it's, it's necessary. I wouldn't trust that as like, you know, adults per se.

And it's like, I don't, it's the same way I don't think the Hobbit is necessarily a children's book. I know it can be. You can make it sound a bit cuddlier. Yeah.

But at the same time, I think it's more real, more adult. There's a little more layers to it type thing. Because as you said, any young adult, like probably is, like, not to upset anyone who's watching. This probably does get compared like other books, like Twilight Saga and stuff like that.

Because that's again, the young adult section. But this, the film's very different. And I suppose the tones and the themes and the books would hit a little bit differently. I think what I got from the movie was like, the big things was the PTSD of the characters of the effect of being involved in these games.

And kind of, especially like the certain movie, the certain movie is a big one, because they're getting sent back after winning, like all these winners. And the pissed off and like, like, very, very handsome. I know, I know. I mean, you couldn't not root for her when she was like, just letting rip.

It was like, we all felt for her, like, that's what they're angry. Because this is, Fuck you, she gives us just, yeah. Like, the deal was we would not be bothered. And like, they've been through enough to do it.

It's just, it's that whole thing of pulling the strings, like changing the rules on a whim. And you change the rules again. So the parents, they were all you going to go into use previous, previous winners, whatever. Because it was the quarter quail, because of the quarter quail type thing.

But it was, like, because this could have just been a straight up action movie or like, it went out the way they did it. And I thought, like, for like a blockbuster, like a franchise of movie that's still ongoing now, there's a new movie in the works. We had the prequel not too long ago. What was the call again, the ballad of the song, the snakes.

Oh, yeah. And again, it's ongoing. But having these kinds of themes and stuff and putting it in a dystopian world, it's, you can try and like, dispense a little bit of disbelief. But in the political climate that we are in at the moment, that's not that far past, which is scary.

It's not. It's absolutely terrifying. There's like a ring of like, almost deja vu, like kind of, like, like, it's a baba. Yeah.

Like, it's like, it's like, does that not something we don't want? Yeah. This is a bit weird. And to go to the prequel, just for a quick second, so I can get this out the way with, because I really did not like it.

And I didn't like it. But there was the ball. I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

I write in style and it didn't feel like her. It didn't feel like I was in the, like, I had been with Hunger Games. It felt very disjointed. And I kind of get it to a degree, but I still feel like we should have, I felt when I read the new one, exactly the same places I was with Hunger Games, if not, I'd have more.

And but with this one, I was just waiting for that moment, that evil snap. And it just didn't really happen for us. You could see the parallels of how the Hunger Games were, to how where he gets in power and he changes them. You can kind of see how that is all going to play out.

But he doesn't, he's not evil at all. There was just something, I don't know. But wasn't it, wasn't it, wasn't it, wasn't it trying to give, give like this, it's not a kind of a sympathetic edge or like, making it kind of, yeah, I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why it's done rise on the reefing. But all the memes were like, Suzanne Collins saw everybody feeling sorry for snow and in the land to correct that.

Oh, Christ. Yeah. It was like, but not a bit better term, a white washing of snow, but it still understands certain things. But I think for me, my favorite character from Ballad was Tigris, who's gone through pretty much the same situation as snow, like, obviously genuinely terrified of what's going to happen.

Like, no idea how they're going to provide all that kind of stuff. And it's totally understandable, but it's just two people who react very differently. And I know he wasn't as involved with the games at that point as he was, like, he wasn't a mentor or anything, but she still saw everything that was going on. And she was like, and it's interesting how she turns out to be as a culture of the rebels by, by the time we get to, like, Mockingjay.

And I'm so fascinated as to what went down, like, obviously something went down, but like specifics, like, yes, he's turning into his father, but how so? And what, what exactly, like, what was the straw that brought the camel's back? Yeah. Because they were so close and then they're pulled off of it.

And it's interesting how you can start off so close and things can go, and they both different names. They were so close. Yeah. The descriptions of when she's dressing him is so loving that you're kind of like, you don't want to leave that woman.

It's so sweet and you don't want to leave that woman. When he's in that house, when he's grandmother in her, you don't want to leave that version of him. Yeah. You know where it's going.

So, actually, he starts like removing himself from the family. You start to see like, he's more snarky and he's more cynical and he's more like, I just want to know. I just want to know what I just want to do. I just want to know something so much more because I know him.

I feel like I know him and I know what he's going to do and I know the kind of person he's going to be. And it just didn't feel like that. But even this knowing the movies like they say that the main trilogy I didn't see him as a hundred percent evil son of a bitch. That's the thing because well, they might be in the casting like with Donald Southern because I love Donald Southern.

Like I've got to, such a star sort of like anything you say. I mean, I go back to him before the family say, shit movie, he was classed. But it seems like desperation, but it was a man who wanted power. And then at the end, when you get the, like, say, when Katniss is meant to be executing them, he gets his come up and in the way that was rightfully so.

But he doesn't do the ultimate evil task in that situation. He doesn't want, he's not the one that plants the bombs to the innocence and stuff. I think I'm not going to see it. But again, I can go back to the prequel.

I was in the biggest fan of the movie. I just felt like it wasn't needed. But again, it's telling the different story, given a different perspective. I could see the building blocks of how Snow got there, like, started off and got there.

It's just like I said, it was missing a lot more things that happened in his life, which again, he was still, he's never going to go from, or end of that movie. He's this evil big, tired thing. There's got to be a lot more things that's going to happen and things he's going to learn along the triads. But you could see the thing because I didn't see him as this.

It's one of the things, all the power drops ultimately, but he's still, I think. He's trying to talk about some things. I think the problem of Snow is he had moments where he's completely candid and you're like, oh, he's right. But then he does other things that make him look sus.

So it's hard to get a read on him because when he says he can't, we're not going to lie to each other. I feel like that whole interaction was absolutely different. I think that's what he could have been. He has integrity.

But he's happy to put it aside when he wants to. He knows he does it. He's not pretending where he's got someone like coin. He's putting on this whole persona and this front moral high ground.

No credit. He knows who he is. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely right.

That is a rarity with a lot of characters. It's kind of like, it's what I think a lot of people think Tywin Lannister is like in Game of Thrones. But I actually think personally for me Tywin is in denial, but he can't admit it. No can.

Like I do bad things. To his credit, he can acknowledge that. That's that's hope that maybe things could change. If his ending was different, he maybe could have been reined back in.

At least he's aware. Yeah. Delusional. No, no, it was never.

It was never. It was never. That's what I got as well. I feel like if he kind of, if he did, the time he spent with Katniss felt like the most real time that you ever got with him because of other times he's sitting with Plutarch.

And he's just, and we know that we know where Plutarch is in all of this. But the shit that he fills him with is everything that he wants to hear and it kind of has a terrible side of him. So when he's with Katniss, it's genuine. It's heartfelt.

Everything you see actually means. So I want to see some of my favourite scenes. I know I talk to you and I understand that then when she was sitting face to face with each other is because they are very, it's a very honest conversation. Just before we go back for the story and stuff I think we're talking about Don Southern, to spend a few moments talking about the cast.

Because I think they got the cast bang on and very lovely with certain cast as well. Hell yeah. There's some things that you think, oh, like Lenny Kravitz, for example, that shouldn't have worked. It shouldn't have worked.

Yeah, it shouldn't have worked. I know you wouldn't you. But even reading the books, I can't not see Senator's name. I can't.

You are absolutely right. The cast is in this. I like Jennifer Lawrence. I don't have a problem with her.

My sister calls her Jennifer Dunvea, but hey, we are two different. We can't stand that. We got very two different people. I've had Jennifer Lawrence movies.

I'm not super knowledgeable about it. I've seen like what is it, a silver lining to play book? Oh, yeah. It was a long time ago though.

I never thought she did. Like the next movie she did with like Timothy Chalamet was in it and stuff. Oh my god, and don't look up. Yes, that lit.

Like really not a caprio. Yeah. That's all right. I always seen her on like shows and stuff, not like being interviewed basically.

Rather than like watching her acting, it was always her as a guest on like what's on the line or something like that. And I always thought, okay, she's kind of all right. She's cool. Don't we know her catalog?

And then I experienced her as Katniss. And I was like, well, I think she is probably quite a good fit. I don't think she is like thinking in the car. It would have something to say about her going around.

Maybe it's a golly weaver might have a bit of a problem with that. Yeah, exactly. You may have a female even throughout like Elle Diarrata. It was absolutely true.

She had a rumble seen in her movie. So, you know what I mean? But it's one of those things where it's like, like going back to the Lenny Kravitz thing, like talk about inspired. Like, you know, when you just think, who can with that?

And I also think the same thing for Viola Davis as Dr. Goh. Like, I would never have pictured Viola Davis in that role. I love her and how to get away with murder.

But I was like, Oh, my God, that's genius. I think I saw her fit in there because I've seen a player Amanda Waller and she does bad. Very good. So I was like, yeah, ruthless.

And everybody Harrison is a Hamish, I mean, I think, and holy shit to one of this characters so much. It was in the second book when you finally got to find out Hamish's story to a certain point that you knew the reason why Hamish's the way he is is because Snor took everything away from him. So the minute Suzanne Collins said, I'm doing an ex-book and it's going to be Hamish's story like, I was over this. Oh, but I, when I read the books, I couldn't not picture what he has in this Hamish.

Well, that's a big word. It's such a mark with that character. Yeah. I think when you, like, I said, if you watch the movies first, they do leave the impression and start getting like the viewpoints.

But even makes it like, where's Bentley as Senate Korean? Yeah, I was lately. In the best way possible. Where's Bentley does bad, so good.

I hate him because Yellowstone can't stand him, but it's just how good was Bentley is. His facial hair in this movie was the talent just by itself. So good. But I'm not letting Elizabeth Banks in court without a mention because she stole the show.

Like, honestly, as everything's that she was in, she was more than you were expecting. Like, I know what you say it happened over scene and like going beyond like showing the scene and everything like that, but it worked so well. And she's the one that grew throughout the movies as well. I'm nearly percent.

She could have played it in a really superficial way and she didn't. No. No. And she didn't gum Effie down.

No. I think she gave her a lot of heart. One of my favourite portrayals. It came into my favourite character.

It hasn't been from the get-go. But I do have a soft spot for Effie and it's like, oh. But seeing Effie in the final movie, like in just like playing clothes. But still manning fashion and all that.

And Effie kind of weird. Like she still manages to work it. The only thing I'm a bit miffed about with the new movie is that the cast and that they've announced. I wish the certain people are left out of it.

Because when I read them being in it, I was like, holy shit. All these shit. And I was like, oh my God, are people not read the book and the other scene and the cast and the good and normal. The certain people that are going to be in this movie.

And it would have been such a lovely surprise for them. Like it was for me when I read the book. And I was like, oh. Yeah.

I was thinking about that when I was talking about it. I was like, do I do a spoiler? I was like, it's so hard isn't it now? It's like, I didn't want to spoil it.

I was like, people are going to be halfway down the video where I'm talking about the casting of a movie of a book that's not read. It's kind of like, oh, you're in that territory. Yeah. It's so hard.

And I didn't think about it because that was a surprise. I didn't necessarily expect to see her in sunrise. So that was a treat. And I was like, oh, I didn't bother the spoiler.

But they've already announced the casting. So it's cool. They've talked about their ideas. I really wish the day, especially as I came, sorry guys.

But why is and Mad Max? Max Max? Max? Yes, they're in it.

And that even blew my mind. Even they were a part of it. Beatriz in there. And I was like, oh my God.

When we say them in the second movie, it's like I mentioned like they've been in the games. They've been around the Capitol. These are here. These are mentors.

These are with him till the very end. And it's kind of certain things now in catching fire that really hit all money. He's mentioned other tripos, and he mentions them. And he's kind of like, no, they're really good people.

No, they're a really nice person. And it's like, Oh my God, yeah, they work because they're working on that last morna. Yeah. Cause I need to sort of understandably just just know it from down.

I trust these people who are not like you just have to even through it. The emotions are going everywhere. And so it's like, how can you trust people? You don't know.

And really, it's like, yeah. I mean, we're just trying to say that and to kind of calm that down. It's just, it's four volumes about, it's never forgotten. Even though he's tried to forget, like, yeah, he's trying so much.

Yeah. It's like, that's what I was to show how traumatic it was for him and he goes through and it's totally understandable, like, makes total sense for him as a character. And then for him to be a mentor every year, it's just, yeah, again, again again. I've lived the fucking life that you have expected me to live now because you have took everything away from me And it's the same with them.

Oh, what's the pretty boy called? I think that's it for you. He has it worse like much worse. He has Yeah, you can see it's when he goes he gets passed around to all the capital women and he's absolutely used and abused and it's Come back every year with a big smile and everything's all yeah the capital's great and at the same time He's gone through the worst living hell possible.

Yeah, and we traumatized your after year after year But then it's also I feel like if I was in their shoes a mental as survivor You'd also feel like a sense of like duty like to help kids out like they've got nobody I gotta be there. Yeah, that's why him. It's just like carry on. He's like I can't leave them on their own There's a certain part of him that still feels like he has he has to help because at the end of his book He's you find it hard to believe they even got two catness in the first place because of where you leave him It's so fucking heartbreaking and just a question all as well We can't the mentor and as well because if you think about it For each each busy person that's been there's a male and female They've only got one mentor was like I know they changed the real from time to time But in theory there's only one of them people that's gonna survive It's like how do you then feel or give one person more advice and and kind of like look after the other type thing more I say see who needs Yeah, but that's the hardest part for him It's just because he is the only victor because there was not other victors in 12 So it's very it'd be difficult for a 12 point of view to have to view that because he's only one person whereas in another district You have multiple winners who will have multiple times like split off and have Exactly that's right.

He images. He's just one person because 12 don't have very many victors I should be in a career career games player though That gives to certain mentees like one of them when they file the teeth down as well so they can It's interesting being a young adult eye concept There's not young adult tones and stuff the gore for certain aspects in this as well Which blows my mind but question to you as well as readers and things do you think he would survive the games? It's my I'm not really a huge into like anything zombie related. I'm like I wouldn't want to live I wouldn't want to be able to because I'm that stupid It'll be me who hurts me and not like from a zombie apocalypse off from the Hunger Games It's me who's gonna do it like I'm gonna trip You know when they run out and they run into words I'm gonna trip and fall hit my head and I'm dead Just a question about the games as well because as we find out the games change a little bit each year from the blags Because you get different games masters or people who's in charge How would you like to study to survive because the one in this the second movie I can't remember the name now It's trying to keep it people and it's kind of like based on a clock like each zone has got different things It's like trying to learn that mentality and trying to think it's like problem-solving with your life as well It's just this crazy I love that kind of concert because it could have just been a club and copy just or the bat in the games again They're gonna fight the death it's like oh no there's different things different interested as well as Like you see the same set of every year you're gonna be like oh we know what's coming yeah, so it's like it's a cruel kind of inventive streak Like how can we make this entertaining?

It's a television show. Again in the day we have to always take a look at the game though. Yeah, what we're watching is a television show And they have to make it interesting each time they can't just like we've only had a handful of games because of the books that we've got But what we've had every one has been completely different and but some elements have been kind of the same when I noticed in the last Book some of him is just part kind of fitted into one and two They're just tiny little little bit especially I agree with that There's a lot of parallels between catness and hamish when you stand back and look at their story It's like I think that's another thing that why my heart goes out to him is because he must be seeing catness I'm just thinking it's history of eating itself over again And you see this young kid and it's just nothing you can do It's just a constant flow of tribute the earth year after year and just to go through that Repeatedly and be on the sidelines. Yeah, it's just My question is why her why is she so why was she so special?

Why was there you know the and the rebels all looking at her and going that's it They take the mock and J out of it she brings the mock and J into it even though we know they had a run it comes from somewhere completely different And I'm gonna probably try not to cry well I don't want to talk about her and but just why her why was she the one that sparked? It's just a thing to go back to Vay from Vendetta It could be anything that didn't have to be like one person. It's the right time the right One moment of kindness where she sure was through The story that edited it so yeah, it's not widely known But they could have come very very close to doing something like the mocking J before and then failed and then for it's just all come together It might just been perfect I tried and you're eventually To see that after human kindness and how much she's willing to go as well like in the first games she goes It's a very different look to what you think should be happening Yeah, because with anything like even in any type of walks of life and even in this world as well having a death like a character like Roo who's an innocent small child as no threat to anyone and Again such an innocent and like they charismatic character as well and having this person who's meant to be then now the Favorite to win the games take her under a wing sure that like say the world isn't as scary or as nasty and again Anything like that I can change like say like people's mentality like pick up because what was it nine or 11 11 That was in wasn't it district 11 because same thing people then go all right We're not that different to the people that's in these games like say that Even if we've got the end Katniss was never gonna kill her that was that was never gonna be like on the cards and to say die in like a proper We as well again, it can start a movement a good start like that thing And then what people do and this is what Katniss realizes when it gets to the three the third movie It's not about her. It's got nothing to do with her It's just like I said people are using her as a symbol as as the reason as a catalyst So if she even if she died like then the would use as a marker and still go on and still do that like what they want to do So again the movie and that's how she's doing this but the movie is not really about her It's not like her being the hero It's been her going through her experience her going through the PTSD and all the things that's going on around her And she's just trying to busy cope with that as well.

Yeah Yeah, I don't know as well But you have a really great moment and you feel hopeful and then something will happen where it's all snatch away And then you'll get that hope again and then it goes away and that's life isn't it? Yes, it's down and it's like seeing Katniss go on this roller coaster and trying to survive it And just trying to get to the end in one piece but as all these different things happen It's traumatizing her like Ru or whether it's Peter or whether it's just whether it's for him It's one thing other and it's like but it actually remarkable that Katniss is like alive in one piece at the end But she's even broken up again because I talked about like every issue with the mom how that's kind of like I think I went to lost a father I would have dependency as well Having a lot of issues and Katniss happened to grow up a lot earlier a lot quicker than she was intending to And I'm going to have been the North East Yeah We got a lot of true stuff here like Well, the thing is Plutox is obviously being looked at and I probably answered my own question here But Plutox is and has been looking for that one thing because we get me Plutox in here She's sorry and he's been looking for that one thing and maybe it is the case of Ata Regan She you know, she trippy she goes instead of her sister and then it's the connection that she has for Ru And it's like people work because people were gravitated We were even there was even the guy who got shot on the main street before she even was that the second one? That was the second one So no, it would movements were happening because of action she was taken in the games in the first one So maybe ever since from the old But again as well, it could be the shift in snow it's not as powers It's no wasn't as concrete and had people question and not been afraid of them at this stage Because I think snow at this time is I think he's an old man is on the stage And if we know anything from ancient culture If you look at the Romans when you get to a certain age like Caesar was like get stabbed in the back People were waiting for something to happen to for a change and again, it's kind of One spark isn't it? Yeah one girl to be on flyer That's it.

Yeah, she she sparked a rebellion didn't she? Let's just talk about the talk for a minute and the amazing job that Philip Seymour Hoffman did in this role And the CGI as well? The hat is the one that happened I thought we couldn't be caught in the way There was no way to get around that one We couldn't wait until I've only done it but still Imagine, the end this is one scene in particular that makes me chilled is when he is the talking about the wedding And he goes, you know, we show pictures of her and address vlogging we do this mass executions And I'm like, oh my god, like, oh Like he feeds him so much but at the same time it's like It's so eerie to me because I know who he is and what he is and where he goes to It's like he can switch off and focus on the task and then you realize the reason why he's doing what he's doing It's just hard because the way he's going about it It's hard to stomach some of the things because it's all really great or good And it's just like is this the only way forward or is there a way where people get caught up in this? Or have you tried so many years that this is what you left with this?

Like this doesn't work, that doesn't work, we've got to try this And I think by the time we meet him in like the Holy Games trilogy, who talk is, I wouldn't say desperate is a word But he's like, he's tested a lot of options and it's like they still haven't broken through And so it's amazing that he hasn't lost hope but it's also a bit of like a red flag like, oh, he might up the ante And say it's for the greater good and you get into dodgy territory a little bit You get into the grey area and it's like, where does anyone draw the line? Because you could say some of the things that pew talk is involved in And not really things he's overly criticized for, but then we look at someone like coin and it's like, yeah, well even her suggestion Doing a Hunger Games with a capital people, even that's like kind of left a bit of a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths Like what was all this for, like what have we gone through all this? Just to do the same back to them, and it's history repeating itself, I love that round table talk Oh, it's brilliant, I was first reading that and I was like, surely not, there's gonna be a twist This is not gonna go down like this, surely, but I also really love the scene playing out in the movie Just the way that the perspective shifted from where Jennifer Lawrence was pointing the arrow And it was just slightly shifted and I also think Julianne Moore was brilliant as well Really, really inspired casting, it worked Because you don't want to hear, you always speak, so you say it's kind of... She has a good couple of points, but she makes some really valid points And it's like, actually, if you're in charge, you have to make hard decisions The problem is she just goes too far and she buys into the lies And it's like, oh, it was when they were all in District 13 and she has essentially imprisoned people And even to herself, you kind of leave, am I for a second here?

It's almost unspoken as well in many regards, she's just the top dog, she just is the leader And it's like, where are the checks and balances, just in case there is something wrong Where's the independence? Where is the people's independence and being able to go out? The sacrifice and your liberty, the real mind book was like, drag your head around it This is where the movies and probably the books as well do better than a lot of different things And the characters in it aren't just the single note, they're so much more complicated, so much more to them If you look at Liam Hemsworth's scales throughout, I can say that the journey, so we say through the movies That could have just been a one note, they could have been as simple as like, oh, this is the love interest, the sperm love it But they kind of twisted that and then he was like, oh, he was getting more indoctrinated into the rebellion And then his mindset was changing, then to the point where human life didn't kind of matter If they weren't on his wavelength or his viewpoints, and it was like, they've done this to us for years And you can understand, because there's people in the real world that still act and treat people the same way And it's kind of like refreshing that they give someone, because again, not to say that he didn't like them Well, Hemsworth isn't a great actor and stuff like that, that could have been such a simple task It's simple, one note, one note I mean, I think it's gonna be like a Disney Prince, like the fight that's gonna be being spread The next time you know, yeah, I mean, girls are my favourite favourite But I will say that I do think it was important to show just how easily people could become susceptible To the very thing that's trying to fight against, and it's the way human beings justify things to each other You can justify anything in any situation given the means and the motivation I always thought the whole love interesting, I was never really here for like, you know, I wasn't sure if she was leading him on Is it unrequited? I'm much more of the fan of Peter and Katniss, if it could do a bit of a romance But I don't even think the romances are even that big a part of his story No, in the second booth there was so many where they were on both sides For me at the time when I was reading it, it felt like Katniss was playing them both off And it was a case of, well if I want this one now, I'll have this one now, but if I want this one later, then I can take that one later And that's how it felt in the books to start with, but then as it went on, you could see that the shift was starting to happen, especially to watch Awards Peter than Gail But I think that's quite good, talent for the age that these people are in, because again, let's be honest, maybe in the elder statements, say it's been here in the 40s Like now it's kind of like, that's not a proper issue now, but when I was 18 or 17, you've been famous, your hormones change and everything, so you're like this person now Oh, this person's just giving me attention, like this person now, and I'm not saying that's like, like I say a female thing, I can say to get on both sides I don't want to go up to that, so I'll go up to that, I don't want to go up to that point, they're just young kids, they're trying to navigate these romances and adult relationships Whilst in the middle of the Hunger Games, it's not a chance, they should not be even thinking about the things they're thinking about, they should be allowed to grow up without that fear And it's always in the back of their mind, and it's like no wonder their relationships are just messed up over the place No wonder everyone's got issues in their families, whether you look at kind of the family or whether you look at him or the family or whether you look at him or the people we know And it's like, all this stuff that happens, you've got the Hunger Games looming over them, and it's like light's tough enough It's amazing that there's so many little heartbreak and moments in the trilogy as well, I always call it the trilogy, I know there's four movies I never agreed that the show of the last one, I think the last one should have stayed as a one I think the last one should have stayed as a one That's the trilogy, yeah, that's the gist isn't it?

I think there's more of an over-insulated and I've done stuff that could have been edited out, but the thing that breaks you, the more is the little moments Not on the train, when they're sitting on the dinner table and Peter's talking about stuff and getting all excited and Katniss changed the mood And Peter says, you know what? You know what? Me mother blasting me mum said it was District 12 is finally going to have a winner, and she wasn't talking about me And then he gets up and says, I'm lost me outside, I was like, oh fuck, no, I believe that you're going to make it out with this That's hard, yeah. The pressure that everyone's under, especially in the non-career districts, it's a fear, and then if it actually happens to you or your family It's then the reality hitting in, like, it's going to be one of those things where not everyone's going to believe that you're going to be a one Or you know, it's just like a different type of thing where not everyone's going to believe you can do it, people might think it's the other person or people might be like neither of you And all of these things will impact how you enter into the game, so make sure you wonder if there's a family that have really been heavily deprived And there's a child who's put their name in the ball more times in exchange for Tesseray so that they can just survive Life's already hard enough for some people in 12 to then throw into the mix, you're probably going to lose that family member It's maybe it's just like a defense mechanism like...

Like an acceptance, like type of thing, this is going to happen over year, it's like the only way it goes, it's happening over the world Because we've never seen it in our lifetime, I don't think that's what happened, but it's like, you know, we remember when and it's like, yeah, that was forever ago And it's like, are we ever going to see a victory or are they going to defeat after defeat? And it feeds into the mentality of the civilisation of the culture and touches every part of, in particular I'm thinking District 12 because I've got the one we know the most about But it's just the way that the games permeate into this life, it's wild how much they take over And it's interesting as well because as you said, we only get the District 12's perspective from this and this is where I think not missing a trick Or possibly I, missing a trick, it's going to be the turn used The writer could have done a boot on each of the districts, their perspective, or people from their point of view Because each district has a different way of life, like Joanna's a full of three people who do their own stuff, so seeing their background, their things, district 12, minors and stuff Because they're all adaptant, whatever their skill is, that's going to be unique for every district And weird as well, because what if you're like, well, not any good with fishing or wood But that's why we're here with Katniss being a hunter, she's got the ball and then Joanna's got the axe, has strung down, trays and stuff like that Lee asked a good question in the chat earlier, if you were in the games I'd always say we wouldn't survive What would your skill be, what would you bring to try and survive in the games type of thing? I think I would like to get a martial arts ability To be able to hire, like, high y'all, because I feel like you don't get ambushed a lot of the time And I have zero physical strength, so I would like to be able to fight somebody off, enough to grab your weapon or whatever Or like, just a classic crossbow would be nice Oh, I'm all fingers and thumbs I'll probably shoot myself I would probably shoot myself, but on your foot or something like that Yeah, exactly, I am so rageful, if somebody gets me in the right way I can become a very rageful person I can go from 1 to 1,000 in a second, so give me an axe, give me a sword, give me something I can literally windmill around and swing for my life Because it's the only way I'm going to make any impact whatsoever, but you've got to get me angry, that's the thing So it's time to tell us that they've just turned into the whole thing? They just make me hungry, they just make me really really hungry and I'll get really angry You know how in this world they have, like, all the power shoots and all the technology and they've got all these gadgets and stuff And it's like, why don't they make an invisibility cloak like a Harry Potter-style one?

I would have literally been shooting out of one of those somewhere before I would do, you know, in the arena when the certain troops who basically hide away in the corner and wait for everybody else to die off Doesn't matter, let's do that in hers I think it is wireless Oh no, it's the two people are coming, I've come to the call, they came to an end I can't remember One of them just hired, don't they? I was almost like a time machine reference, I was like, oh, mollocks It's wireless, it's wireless, I'm going to tell you what's happening It's wireless, it's wireless, it's wireless, it's wireless Because wireless is the one I'm going to break down and say tick tock tick tock tick tock But the one that's hiding is the one that saves Peter, because the monkey's got to go In her game, why is this game? I'm sure it is, she just literally hides until everyone dies I think it's her or if it's not her, it's mags No, it's the moor things that are said, in the chat, moor things I watched it today No, it's in the boot! It's in the boot, there's something in my brain, I can't put your finger on it But it's like basically hiding out until the quarter is clear, that would be me It was the moor things, the hiding ones, because that was the one I was watching The woman jumps out and saves Peter, and the puller in the water and goes like gasping Because the monkey chewed on a throat I can't remember which one, it's a previous winner It's gone from your brain, but it was another one where they edited it out So nobody knew they were hiding out, it was all about the way that they edited the footage You could literally be not even hiding out, you could be not doing a great deal And if you're not entertaining, they're not going to focus on you So there's a plus side where you can sneak through and nobody will come for you Or you wouldn't get food and medicine, you won't get much in the way of offering from the public So it's like double-edged sword, do you want to be visible, or do you want to keep quiet?

It's one of those things as well, because you want to be entertaining But if you start pissing people off, especially the games masters, they would then fix the games to get like, say, like, a different person I don't know what it is now, but I know what it is now, so it is virus as games It's her, she was in the 49th Hunger Games, and she hides out to the very last moment To where there's her and somebody else, and the other person kills themselves by falling over and cracking her head And that's how she wins her Hunger Games That's what I need to do with that That's of course clear, and I'm like, yeah, well, well, well, well, well, well, I remember reading in the book because you find out about the other people who are with him And it's Beetree who mentions that she's the one who hid out until the end, but it's the last Victor who was with her She runs off, she trips all the cracks ahead and dies, and she's declared the winner Alright, that's the secret Yes, but then again, it's not very entertaining, because you can't really sell it, it's like, oh, it's the big surviving winner You win by default, so I don't get to cancel a little like that And that's why she probably is the way she is now And it means people are like, what exactly were the repercussions for doing that, because they wanted to spectacle, and people might feel short-changed If you just hit out and come out in the last minute, and it's like, okay, so what are they going to do going forward? Are they going to tweak the arena so you can't hide out, necessarily? Or is that why there's so many cameras now, everything is captured, so it makes you wonder from say the 10th games up to like the 74th, the level of progression in terms of technology and all that kind of stuff? Oh, 100% and it's always like changing like, or it's like, it's like, can't listen, Peter's walking through the things, like, they said it was mid-day, and then the dots went on, and it's like all the realising, and all the games to be ended quicker They can say what time scales or the end of the day, and it's like, the viewership is down, it's like, this is not where they can spice it up or change it up It's like big brother, it's like they're watching the ratings, what can we get the housemates to do, that's a task, it's like, and then you get the audience involved I think it's kind of like a evil big brother type situation Oh yeah, 100% to be very sadistic, and what got me though in the first game is Peter's ability to paint himself into a tree, and sorry, Peter You're not going to be able to do that in enough time, like, no, it tickles a life out of me when you see him hide Because I remember we came in the book and being like, okay, and then seeing it in the scene in the movie, it was so out of the blue, I was like, what?

They don't even need to have like, include that, because we can't give Peter any special abilities, like he has nothing, we're just going to make him paint himself That's a thing, I can't believe it's large Sometimes just being like, is it a survival skill? That's it, that's why Peter was absolutely brilliant at the social side of it, he's interviewed with, what's his name, Caesar? Yes, he's a dude with David, he's massively different, but he knew how to play the game, her problem was she didn't, she was fighting the game, said he knew what he was doing He knew what he needed to do and say the announcement he would make and be like, the baby earned the better, he knew exactly what he was doing and how to play up to the audience because it's the audience that dictated exactly what happened The different skill set, isn't it? He was all good at it His way as a being successful in this situation, that are not the obvious physical skills, the amount you got to play smart with your brain, and I think he definitely did that He did, and he really helps him in the second game as well, especially when it comes down to allies, he really helps her go, you know, we trust these, if we don't, we go Let's just give them a chat, he's sort, he has more ability than people would actually give him credit for It is one of his strongest assets, his social skills, because that's it, there's like in many ways, because without being able to convince Katniss to be agreeable, and to be cool, don't be about it, basically Yeah, like, behave yourself, because we're regab against it, that's not easy to do, no, but even in the second movie, when they're in the game, say for the second time, and they say, oh I know, I'm getting friends and stuff, and she still can't let that trust factor down And here, it's like, it's not about trust and stuff, it's about survival, you don't have to be like, best friends or anything, just basically take the hints and the reasons I said, and all the kept certain bits away from Katniss to let you, the snort didn't find out, again, makes sense, but with these movies as well, one of the questions I wanted to ask, because again, I think the work well as a movie, but the, the two parts of the last one didn't flow, didn't have kind of like the same vibe as the first one and two, because I thought they were trying to cram too much in, I do think generally this would have made a better TV show, like for example, Game of Thrones, or that type of style, just so they can get all the elements in, all the different characters, because we got introduced to some interesting characters in the games that would then snap fingers and gone, that would have been more interesting, you would have felt a bit more, you would have cared a bit more about them when they died, especially if we got a little bit more with them, especially the effect, that's the only games effect, like some of the people go out so quickly, it's like, oh, people didn't get chance to get chance to root for them, and it's really interesting in ballad when snorts starts to understand like how the TV's and the mentors and the broadcasting, how the whole propaganda side can literally save your life, play the game well, and it's literally as simple as that, because it doesn't matter if you play it bravely and you die, like, you've got to be alive at the end of it, trying to sacrifice too many of your morals.

But that's Peter, you just described Peter, he knew exactly what he was doing, even right up until the Capitol, when he was captured, he still played into the whole propaganda thing to make sure that he stayed alive, even though God knows what he was doing to him, because he came back and absolutely survived it, and even he seems that later on, like, he knows what's got when he's out in the field with them, and they kind of like have to be wary of him, he even knows himself, like, I don't trust what's going on in here, because I know what's being, what's happened to him is, I love Peter more in the books than I did in the movie, but I think that's because of the actor who played him, I wasn't too keen on the cast in. That's not how I imagined him. I think in the movie it was a little bit like Lost Boy, Love Sick, Poppy, Your Times, he needed to stand his ground a little bit more. I wish the Switch deal and William Hemsworth and him, I wish the actors would have been a really good Peter.

I grew to like Peter a lot more, I liked him because anybody really liked, oh he's alright, but then by the end of Mothin J, I was like, after he'd been through everything we've been through, I really did warm up to Peter a lot, and it probably is intense, and it's been a lot of fun. It probably is intentional maybe by Suzanne Collins, but that's to be coinciding with like Gail's sort of slight vloginess, and he's getting into some dodgy territory, and it's like, it just goes to show, like, what you go through, you can go through hell, but then you still have to make a decision as to how that's going to affect you. And it's like Peter was able to, for one of the better way of describing it, like he kind of rose above it, whereas Gail's, yeah, I felt like Gail looked stuck in it and became a perpetrator of the very thing he's fighting against. And yeah, it speaks more to Peter's car, I wanted to protect him so much in the last few periods, like in the last part of the book when they said it's all kicking off, I really wanted to protect him because he couldn't protect himself, he can't protect himself from the things that he's gone through, and he's lashing out to the point where they have to literally chain him up, and be like, no, like keep him away from him, but he's trying to, he's in that whole thing, he's still trying to be him.

It's so heartbreaking to like, especially read through it, watching it, I am far too busy with everything else that's going on, that Peter is like a secondary thought, but in the book, it's so you can't, you can't move away from him. One thing I wanted to have a little bit of a discussion about as well is like the world that they live in, because I think Kelly touched on it earlier, going from like say all the districts and having the haves and the have nots and stuff, but the technology advancements are certain aspects, like how crazy, like forward thinking, like a lot of technology was, there was things where the animals like have like, they can basically make the one monsters at times, and when they're doing things like in the games, like that technology and stuff, it just makes you think that they've got like, I know the made reference to certain like things in the movie, or the sort we're loving eating so much, we've got to take a drink to make or six, so we can eat every more, and then it's like branching out to all the things that was such an interesting concept that world, because when we start off and we see like, I think like District 12, we think it's like, we are thought, because I said, I thought this was post a apocalypse, I thought like, so we can change the world where I was going to have like a Mad Max type fail, but it wasn't at that type of aspect, as I said, it was very much like running man with the TV aspect, but also almost like a blader aspect with like the whole advanced technology and kind of like keeping it to one side and not sharing it with the world and stuff, it was just quite interesting that I love the luck and feel and how they used like the dresses and clothings as well, it was so unusual and out there and just different, a lot of choices, I think as well. Massively the way that they're able to, and distinct between the capital and everyone else, but I'm sure, and I could be wrong on this, that Panam is the capital aside, the districts are all manufactured to be something that the capital needs, even though they have all that it's so greedy that they have kind of self manufactured these districts into being something that will cater to them, but also they have everything out of it, all the money, and there was something where it was, I was doing a video, I was doing a video where I was alive, we were talking about the hydroelectric dam, like why would you need to have people dying in the coal mines, or why would you need people to be doing really tough gritty jobs, when you have other accesses to technologies and to things that would make it easier, like people are living hard lives in some of the districts and some of the jobs that they do with Angliss, and it's like, if you have technology to do this, this and this, and it's not being spread around, and so the quality of life is impacting pretty much every district, even the career districts, there's going to be the haves and the haves and the haves within those individual districts, and so on, and so on the there's going to be other people who can afford to send their kids off to be trained, and there's going to be the people who can't, the ones who do the grunt work. There's districts that are actually liked by the capital, which is the ones when you get your career, people from that company, it's like England, say, we get shit in the north-east, down south, get everything like, sorry for you to see it.

It's so true, we are such a forgotten region, that it surprises me that we're even getting a studio built in our city centre, But do you not think that's because it's so silly? I'm not being demoted. I'm not being demoted. We've still got university, so that's why we're passing.

But I think the studio is getting built up here, just because it's cheap. That's cheap, but then it's down. It's such a forgotten region. Over the years as well, it's not like it's not happening for a little while.

It's historical. It's the impact on the people and people sometimes lose space. Especially when you see people walking around this with 12. It's not like a lot of people who feel like best of the press and down and fed up.

This is not a lot to live for. It's for someone else. It's not even to benefit them. District 12, I mean, there's a few of them, but we only have a C district 12.

But like I said earlier, there's a couple of districts who do get some benefit from the capital. They have like kind of favor with them. But then there's the other ones. I'm sure it is.

It's very cool. And they do it. The capital don't necessarily need what they're getting from these districts. It's just because they can.

It's literally just because they can. But then again, I think I was a fine fascinating one of the comments on the movies as well. Because you when you see the rebellion, I think, oh, there's going to be war. There's going to be battles.

But it's not. It's like done like a propaganda battle. It's almost like saying, oh, this is how we're putting this out there. It's like almost like to get people's votes or people's like kind of like on your side of the thing, which is.

It's always so temporary as well, isn't it? They'll just say whatever they need to say in the moment. It's also fickle. It's like, oh, we've had it down the ship, go over there, take a picture with it, use down in there, look and drive.

But we can't have cutness in the middle of the war in case anything happens because that's the poster child. It's almost like again, using it as example, like the royal family doing a service in the military before when the younger, like Prince William and Harry was part of the RAF. I got all, Harry, that can fly helicopters. I don't know.

He's in that kind of family, isn't he? Yeah, but they will protect it. Very well protected. I don't know that meme of the museum where he's like getting interviewed, and then the bell doors and he's like running off and he's the team.

And it's like when the doorbell goes and you take away, he's like probably getting hit by a litable. Yeah, absolutely. And again, I think I said before with the final movies, there was a lot of stuff, a lot of things that I felt could have just like streamlined to get to where we needed to go. But the other two, even though the long movies, it felt like everything there set a purpose.

Yeah. Yeah, I actually really like the last two movies. I like the person I like where we get to see the war aspect like we are in war and I like to get that to see that. I love to get to see the team.

Oh my gosh. What's on the internet? Yes. Oh my gosh.

I like the fact that the explain what an ear box is because nobody gets the don't talk about any of the game. What happens to them and we actually have one on her team. I love my Christian Ali, his character in it. I thought he was absolutely I felt I felt like I was I felt like I was in it with the moment.

Yeah, let's go. I'm ready to go. I'm dying a second, but I'm ready to go with this. I love the person of it.

What I really disliked is especially in the movies, the use of Gwen's on Christie once again, not used to her full potential. We had it in Star Wars. We now get it in Hunger Games. It's not fair.

I'm just going to stop putting her in these roles as she is meant to be and like she was she could have done so much more. And then just take it away. And I say no, you have two seconds of screen time and we're just going to take you out and just put you over there. Don't like it.

He didn't Star Wars, even though I love the character hated it in this as well. I was gutted. I was really excited to see Gwen the Christie in this. No, two seconds.

One of those things I think again, as I mentioned, I think I said, I think it would have been better. P.S. not felt for me a little bit easier if it was a TV show so you could give all aspects of the characters what they could deserve. Especially the end one, especially the last movie as well because there's so much going on.

There's the war element to it. There's the capital is the capital getting bombed. It's not getting killed. It's quite not getting killed.

It's them taking the capital back. It's then cutting us going off and starting our life as it's meant to be. We could have pissed that out a bit more. It's a bit more just but I love the compactness of the first and second movie.

Yeah. So I know you mentioned before the new book came out this year and I've never seen Sammy get so jealous. I've got to go before as well. It was literally just I had a pre-ordered she had it pre-ordered but the pre-ordered that we had she had it pre-ordered.

Sorry. I just heard him like oh and then Kelly was like well I tell you what if I'm not getting me pre-order I'm just going to go out and get it. I was like I'm at work. No.

I literally was like I'm going to see a spoiler and I know I am so I've got to like really be careful like scrolling and stuff. I was like did you know what people are like? Yeah. I think by the end of the day there's people who are like oh I've read it and there's people who are doing it like a date.

But again. I'm not even getting the first page. I know I'm going to move. I'm not going to move.

I think the problem with like say with social media and stuff like that with you with your presence people would have been going out the way to target you just trying to spoil it for your as well. Yeah. I will say when I first mentioned where I first ever said anything about the home games nobody spoiled anything like I was going to spoil it. It was when I was in the first book I was in the middle of reading the first book and then I was probably expecting like loads of spoilers and I actually was pleasantly surprised.

That's really good. That's really good. I was like if you put yourself out there there is a chance that someone's going to say something and then somebody did write a comment and I was like oh and I was waiting for it to happen and I can't remember what exactly but it didn't happen and I was like. It never proved to be the case so alright.

I was furious when I got my copy of the book. It was not only was it late. It also had and it's a sort of ridiculous but you've got to bear in mind I collect books. It had a tiny tear at the top.

Oh. And the top of the cover I was fucking raging. I was so angry. I was scared it never so.

And like oh literally tiny little tear at the top of the box it looked like someone had stolen it to be honest. So I'm looking at it in the state it was. I was in water scones the other day and I saw these copies that had of the first three that won the games catching by it and they were like special covers and they were like you've seen them but they've got like you know how like when you got it closed and you have foil and people will like draw on the page. Oh yeah.

It was like every page was like colored at the side so it was yellow it was purple and it was like green or something orange and it was okay I'd like to buy these but if I had to buy these but if I had to buy these I'd probably would have bought these. These are treats but they were really lovely like copies and I was like I don't need them I was buying the book anyways I was like I bought these I bought me out I don't need these. Well who's the publisher we could tag them in to really neat things. Yeah what's wrong with them.

Oh absolutely. I was in there enough money they should give something back. I would certainly get them the copy the ones that I have because I do collect books so if people are buying me them as presents it is a collectible kind of book but the ones I've got for the Hunger Games is I love them. And I love the fact that me and ballot is exactly the same the only one that is different is the most recent one because hard it's a hard one.

Yes I have the other ones look exactly the same and it's just the black covers. When I'm using it off. From a paperback. Yeah.

The cover. The hardback. The hardback. The hardback.

The jacket. Yeah. I'm just making the paperbacks. I was in the U.K.

And I always put you on the scale to text off the day where I didn't even realise it was a thing and I went and checked some books out after. She was talking about the paper that people print on in the UK and I published her print on and how it's like a floppy book versus a stiff book and how it breaks the spine and everything. I've watched that video because you told me how to not break a spine so you kind of take the first cover out. Put it back in the next cover out and put it back in.

You flip the booth that way you flip the booth. Yeah. And I'm doing the best game not only a floppy art hard job. Get your mind out of the book.

But yeah, she told me how to do it and not to be able to break the spine and I have been so great because it's one of my it's a moment where I will cry Mm-hmm. If I see a spine that's been broken and hence the reason why I don't let my books have a people Just one question as well because there's a person in the chapter which is a new new listener blesser That's the question. What do you think Susan comes next book is going about another district 12 tribute from another district or rubber sympathiser? Oh, I am Really and this is something that I've been thinking of for a long time and do you already had mentioned it's Tigris Yeah, I really think given the impact of her power to imbalance and only the snippet that we saw her in the movie and it is a snippet We know it we know be I want to know the journey but at the same time I worry that we're turning into like we're doing that thing Oh, well, yeah, I don't want to see her go through a horrible situation But I am genuinely curious as I how she evolves physically Degree So make you wonder like what went down and you go through and I don't want to put the character through something horrible and bear witness to it But I'm curious of the journey.

Yeah, I think I was brilliant or as well I think he would be a really I think yeah because the so much I've seen people say oh it could be the bloodsaws and I'm like actually maybe it could be You know like showing you the magic tricks behind the It's my favorite saying I think I've said it so many times on this podcast It's like when you can make up your imagination or think about certain things. It's the mic on my is affected Like if you know why my own eyes is evil it kind of spoils it and you don't need Yeah, for some reason it just clicks in your brain and it just engages you Yeah, it's like it can your imagination could probably come up with a million different things And if it's not quite on part that disappointment factor could then spoil not saying it will be bad right? No bad movie It's like oh, that's not kind of what I had in mind. Yeah, that's not what I kind of thought about but like that aspect there So do I so I know they're going to transform the new book inter movie.

So how excited? Oh, you're that do you think this is going to transcend traffic chain? I go from page to screen as well Or we're gonna get a bit of a like we got with the depends depends on how accurate they're choosing to be I suppose They could go very accurate book accurate or they might take a few liberties I think they're gonna probably honor it for the most part I think I'll have to it gives us so much extra information like context and you start tweaking them at that I mean, I thought the blueprints right there You got a friend of yeah, why make it harder? Yeah Yeah, and they don't want to tell the one story everyone wants things if the radio goes here Oh, well, I wish I could have changed this.

Okay, I can't actually do that because I'm gonna be Probably the reamer cuffed the Never being so angry at something like pet cemetery is one of my favorite Stephen King brings I love the movie What the fuck would it think I'm the 29th you want to come up? I'm sorry You want to see me want to go 1000? This is how it happens And I would love to see that because of how impactful and how heartfelt and don't think you want into this movie and it's going to be a happy one Because it's really self. Yeah We're in England like oh, we know some stuff's gonna go down.

Yeah, but it was still shocking like good grunge on Yeah, I was not okay to even two days after finishing this book It was it really it's and I feel like to do this book Just as you need to do the story as it was on paper because I think it absolutely you will alienate so many fans if you decide to change anything There are some really brutal and harsh scenes in this book It's I feel I'm stopping a few things, but then you keep the bits of it don't they're like it's not too much And what is it down? Yeah exactly and just the point you're trying to get across isn't it? If you want if you want an impactful movie Do the book but that's a thing. Oh, because again like just at the time and ending as well That could be another part two.

Shall we say for this podcast? I say when they do bring you out to be in Absolutely I think It's gonna be November the year because if you had wicked last year we could part two this year and then next year it's gonna be And then I read today I don't know if it's a hundred second firm, but the um golem movie is gonna be seven November three seven So our November is a book to the next couple years I'm not excited for the wicked one but the golem one can get in the bin but yeah I'm curious The version again Yeah, we'll have to just put a pin in that one but definitely when this one rise movie comes out and maybe one get a trailer because The casting it and doing it like it's summer show. I am loving all the promo work that's coming out from it I love how my algorithm is picked up people I never come across because you know Originally my algorithm picked up you and I found every other game of thrones people on there and then all of a sudden There's only one game of thrones don't let's let's let's not put that out there. To be honest You are now the only game of thrones person who comes up on my algorithm Friends Um, yeah, when the book came out.

I loved how we Instantly picked up everyone and I got to see all these fantastic people Yeah I can do it Oh Yes, we'll definitely pick this up again just because I think because I'm gonna talk about it. We'll do it. Tell you what we'll do a trailer reaction as well You'll probably know before we do that it's come out I'll be good and I'll be like, right, okay Do you have 10 minutes? Just a message and say a fight in the podcast of let's do this Okay, sorry, but yeah, that'll be interesting so Kelly I know we've already got the links in the description below So if you want to find it like on Instagram on youtube and on ticketing talk What have you got planned any fun things that you've got to think coming up?

I do yes I I'm in the middle of working on a few different little projects And they're all kind of like half made done So I'm like do I say anything about it before it's done? I'll wait until it's done and announce it. It's like I think you know what I mean I'm working on a little project. It's not a major.

It's just it's just I want to be courageous And the people about asking and asking ages and ages and ages ago to do this and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it Um, so I'm not gonna like say I feel like I'm gonna like I'm gonna like Wrong, you know what I mean? I'm gonna be announcing soon. I'm really excited about and just continue doing the same old There's a couple of new shows that coming out that I'll be watching like the Gilded Age in June I love that and it's just on the show I can watch week on week so yeah And they're keeping an eye on what's like all the things that are in development like the second season They're doing the sugar and things like that and how to the dragon Announce the spinoff as well for another game of thrones, haven't they? So the next one you want to hold it?

I was like, I'll be kicking off No, they announced the delay. Oh, the night in seven kingdoms. Oh, yeah, I've been pushed back. Yes Oh, I don't like free people out, but I do think it's a bit weird that I've been pushed back And then you put we live time being cancelled.

Yeah, it's like oh, what's that boy? Well, but there's one thing I want to let you guys know about It's only games related in November. My birthday. I'm going to London to see the Hunger Games live stage New thing that builds in this like new pop-up kind of theater at Canary Wolf It's gonna be I think it's I believe it's the first production they're doing is this only game thing So I was like oh well, it's me birthday in November.

I was like, wow, let's have a look We're going to look at that And I'm not entirely sure like how it's all gonna play out I believe it's just gonna be like the first one the games story like the part one basically But I'm excited to see how it all plays out the video that they showed you like what to expect is like people jumping all over and acrobats and stuff So it looks pretty immersive. Yeah If you jump on Kelly's tic-tac this a mountain of information, it's hard to take it all in but it's all quite very interesting Well, and if you catch one of Kelly's live, it is fun. It's hilarious It's like I'm trying to get off the horse I just keep pulling back on It's a lifetime one I'm sorry my friend Break Because I make it happen and but no tomorrow we are back and we are doing the 2003 I want to say it go ship Which is how which is got reputation as one of the best warnings of any horror movie But then after that it goes what what yeah, that's just my opinion And that's fine too and you'll hear all about it tomorrow Tune in to months That was a course out tomorrow you can see it all Yeah, I've certainly it I can change the time but that's no no let's say we'll do that for another time again Let's keep we hear the customer on and the audio for this episode and months is up north do both go out tomorrow With a bank holiday the like if it is probably a little bit earlier than what I normally do and We will also just ease all know We'll have a new schedule put up. What everyone is doing So you can keep on track of what is going on on our youtube channel because I believe I know what's on but yes I am trying to get it organized.

Who's here? We've got the Lee and Chris back where top grumps are doing a ranking of suburban commando Which I actually watched for Chris yesterday. Holy shit that film is terrible um, whole corgan Interesting Level He's got a beeline that the trying to buy that who does you know how who doesn't america's went? Getting over Tuesday we've got anime club on friday I do So that's on friday.

I don't know if they like it live again. I quite like it live so I think they are Back live again. I think top grumps may be live as well. Um, that could be a lie It's make up a little bit of a go along.

Um, we've got women of nerd culture on saturday They're doing actually they've not told us what the episodes about yet. Have they? I will tell you on the schedule tomorrow. All right, but the avenue episode out and sat there then we have our new format We're doing the movies we love from the ids So we'll be talking all about our favorite movie why we love them and why the ids was the best day for movies Um, we'll have lots of arguments and a lot of comments in the chat Actually, it's not because times have changed in four years So Is what they possibly could have been four years ago if we did this?

Yeah, it's not just gonna be something saying I've seen gorespursters Yeah That's gonna be next Sunday then we are So we can try and recover from all the stuff I've been doing Gonna take a break. We'll be talking about the brand new format. It's gonna be subject based You're gonna love it you're gonna be gonna get so much out of it so much conversation is gonna be I am very excited about this. I've got some class topics Excited Yeah, so thank you Listen, thank you for having a joint I'll always try and pull you in at some point Even if i'm stopping you around London Just to say thank you as well, we've had well, we did hit the lamont on the no-view We hit 2500 this week But in the last few years we've doubled we've jumped up to over 2,600 and odd so we are getting a few hits this week And we've had our first video that hit all the 1,000 views It's celebrations all around And not not not with what we do either because you know, it's it's a hard struggle But you guys do stuff that like this is what you do What you know what you like so we've not wave it in four years You start compromising what it's all about if you'll lose your love of it And so I'm like that's keep on doing what you say when do you agree?

Oh, yes, of course we have a few more things to see and again get some interesting people on like zero Probably not Brian Bursett bless him. He wanted to see him And Coughing a little crisis No, please, you know what I was about to be just pining everybody else I know what you thought I was about to talk about flash going and he was like, you can't for a fee I was like, yeah, anyway, can be at the same stuff though That's cool Oh, is it there yet? Yes, yes, so same bad time same bad channel So you're not here everyone Bye