The Individual and the System: A Dual Lens on Change Management, With Ochuko Igbeyi

In this episode of the Change Management Review™ Podcast, Brian Gorman interviews Ogheneochuko (Ochuko) Igbeyi – an experienced change leadership advocate in financial services with over 20 years multi-disciplinary and multi-cultural experience in Nigeria, West Africa, and Canada. He is PMP and Change Management certified with practical experience in product management, process improvement and relationship management. Ochuko has a passion for personal development, continuous improvement, building strong relationships by inspiring with humour and empathy.  He is a husband, a father, a faithful friend, and a lifelong learner. When Peter Senge and others brought systems thinking to the fore, it provided change management professionals with a new lens for understanding organizations and how they function. In this episode of the Change Management Review podcast, guest Ochuko Ibbeyi acknowledges the value to change practitioners of looking at organizations as systems. Simultaneously, he makes the case that change occurs at the individual level. In this interview, Ochuko and host Brian Gorman explore ways in which this “dual lens” of system and individual can contribute to change success. This is one of a series of podcasts resulting from weekly discussions in the Clubhouse Change Management Reinvented room. Tune in and get Ochuko’s answers to questions like: How did you develop the perspective of looking at both the organization as system and the individual being called on to change, and why is this so important? As you look at current change management methodologies and approaches, where do you see them bringing that perspective and where is it failing? As you talk about this duality of lenses, a lot of change management approaches look at stakeholders as clusters. How well does that work? How do you go about finding those key people who are the influencers that you have to engage early on? What else is important for our listeners to hear about this “both/and” system and individual lens for approaching change management?