The Jonas Brothers

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One of them shares my birthday. You're going to have to figure out which one. And we talk about so many fun things. We talk about their new album, Greetings from Your Hometown. We talk about the Bee Gees and how much we love the Bee Gees. We talk about Broadway and we sing from Les Mis. It's a good one, guys. Buckle up. So we always start these episodes by asking someone who knows our guests to give me a question to ask them. We find out a little bit more and we get the dirt. And we are very excited to have our guest today, Jack McBrayer.

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Big brazzle. How are you? You know, one of the best things about doing these things is that I just get to say hi to people. And I miss you. It's good to see you. Oh, it's been a minute. I guess the last time I was seeing you was February 14th at Radio City Music Hall for the SNL music thing. Oh, that's right. For the big 50th celebration. How are you? I can't believe I'm doing this. What is this, by the way? Oh, I don't know. Who knows? It's a pyramid scheme. No, this is a podcast called Good Hang. And I'm here with the Jonas Brothers.

I'm familiar. I'm familiar. When did you become first familiar with the Jonas Brothers as an entity rather than actual people? Good question. As an entity, I mean, it would have been, I guess, early in their career because we knew like who all the Disney kids were. Right. And they were some of the, you know, OG Disney kids. But I mean, because I am older than everyone. Not me, sir. Not me.

We're close, a close second. But I didn't necessarily know their work. I knew they were very, very popular. And I knew that they did movies together as brothers. And, you know, it was interesting to watch that evolution because, I mean, I could not even imagine working with any member of my family. And yet here they were with this whole empire. I know. It's really, really fun to think about the questions I want to ask them because it is, they are working with their family. It is not, a family business is not easy. It's a very interesting dynamic to watch. But also, they are all just genuine human beings.

wonderful young men. And it really has been a pleasure to get to know all of them together and each of them individually. So how did you meet them? How did you become friends? February 14th, another Valentine's Day, 2009, Alec Baldwin was hosting Saturday Night Love with your musical guest, the Jonas Brothers. And Alec, very graciously, had an opportunity for me to come up during the monologue and do a fun little bit with them. And so because I'm there for the, you know, days leading up to it for those rehearsals, I got to hang out with the Jonas Brothers. So delightful. They were just big fans of comedy. And they're just like, again, good, solid folk.

So that is when I met them. And over the years, our paths crisscrossed through different things. I was staying at the same hotel in Toronto as Nick Jonas several years later. And they all came to Saturday Night Live again when Demi Lovato was a musical guest. So a lot of just crisscrossing through the years. And then more recently, Nick Jonas got back into acting or focusing on acting and was on a show called Scream Queens with my neighbor, Glenn Powell. So Glenn would have movie nights and all that kind of stuff. You are so connected, Jack.

I might be too connected. It's weird. It's auspicious. It's fantastic. It's the best. I love it. I think people are the best.

Okay, so Glenn and you and Nick and others have game nights, I'm hoping. Correct, game nights, movie nights. Oh, oh, oh, you're going to love this. Nick Jonas's favorite movie is They Came Together. And you know why I know this? During COVID. During COVID, I went to your driveway. There was only a few people I saw during COVID, and one of them was Jack McGrath, who came to my driveway masked and gloved, because that was back when we were really, we were taking all precautions to sign a They Came Together poster, a film that me and Paul Rudd did for Nick Jonas.

Nick Jonas, whose birthday is? The same birthday as mine, September 16th. And the reason why Jack knows that is because Jack is a savant. One of his love languages is you remember and you take deep, you care deeply about reaching out to people on their birthday and everyone gets a Jack McRare happy birthday text. And it means a lot to a lot of us. It's so fun. And you know, I learned a lot. Some people are like, oh, you only texted me this year. I like it when you call me so I can keep the message. I was like, oh my gosh. So yeah, I tried to shake it up. Today I only have one. It's Leslie Powell, Glenn Powell's sister.

Oh, I do whole family. I know. It's like, let's see, Kevin Jonas is November 5th. Wow. Joe Jonas, August 15th. And Nick Jonas, September 16th. And so as Nick and Joe and Kevin's friend, what question do you think I should ask them today? What is their conflict resolution situation like? I think that their lives are so unique because they've been famous so much longer than they've been not famous. What does that feel like? What you're talking about is so interesting because the question there is like, you've had to deal with fame for a really long time. What's your relationship to it now?

And I wonder, too, if each of the individual brothers deals with it differently. For example, Kevin and his family are off on the East Coast, and there's co-parenting going on. There's just a lot of different versions of what's happening. But they're all just solid dudes, and it's always, always a joy to see each and every one of them. I'm such a fan of them as people. Also, they're good at music. They're really good at music. They're very ugly.

All right, Jack, I love you. Thank you so much for giving us the time and the question. Oh my gosh, well, I hope it was helpful. And yes, have so much fun with them. I'm so happy to see you. You too, buddy. This episode is brought to you by Laneige. Being a big fan of multitasking, I love a two-in-one. Like for example, I like a sofa that's also a bed and it's called a sofa bed and I enjoy that. So I'm super happy to tell you all about the Cream Skin 2-in-1 Toner and Moisturizer by Laneige. Another two-in-one that I love. It's the original Korean Milky Cream Toner Hybrid, which combines the benefits of a rich cream with the lightweight texture of a liquid toner to deliver radiant, hydrated.

glass skin. Shop now at Sephora stores and Sephora.com. I am so psyched you guys are here. Thank you so much for coming. We just found out that Nick has two shows tonight. Two shows. It's a two-show day, which I know from Broadway means you have a matinee. Matinee, an evening show. And so thank you for talking, because I know a lot of people have to save their voice for a two-show day. Well, a lot of people are weak. That's for sure. But seriously, you guys are pros. And you have to sing all the time. And good. And sing good. You can sing, but singing is one thing. Singing good is another. And do you worry about losing your voice?

Yeah, I was paranoid about losing my voice or getting sick. Today or just in general? Just this whole run. Yeah, it's kind of like a living stress dream. Oh my gosh. I mean, have you had to cancel shows because of... Because of Nick, yeah. We've canceled shows. There was a long run. Actually, because of me. The first show we were canceled was in Zurich. Nick didn't like Zurich, so we were like, we had to cancel the show. He was like, I'm out of here. But it was nice because we did have a great day off in Zurich. There's nothing better than canceled plans. And I know you love your fans and you want to provide them. There's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. If your plans are canceled, there's no better. Especially if you're not the one canceling them.

But you were in Les Mis as a little kid. One day more. Another day, another destiny. One day more. You got it. I know a place where no one cries. That show is, I saw it so many times. Me too. Love. It was actually one of my like. Oh, when your brother was in it. Yeah, when he was in it. And so it was one of those things where I felt so empowered though and so like cool kid because my class in that year that he was in the show went there on a field trip. Like that's their field trip every year was to go see Les Mis. My history class, I guess. And he was in the show that day. That's cool. I was like, yeah, that's my brother. It was like, I can get you backstage if you want. No, I got to like leave, like stay there afterwards and like they all went back to school and I was like, cool. You're like, I'm not going back to school today. I felt so cool.

Thanks, Nick. I wanted to say eldest child to eldest child. First of all, not a big deal, but you arrived first today. I always arrive first. Of course you do. Because, I mean, congratulations, having an older brother who's keeping it together. Definitely not keeping it together, but I'll be on time. But the eldest child. And you guys are basically, you kind of, you two share the middle section. Because you were the baby until. Oh, yeah, we share the middle child. For those who don't know, we have a younger brother. Franklin Jones. Franklin, he was born like eight years later than you. Eight years, yeah, after me. He's incredible. Yeah. But he's, you know.

He took away, I was originally the middle child and now he fucked it all up. Yeah, he took everything from both of you. I mean, you're not the baby, you're not the middle. Yeah, I don't know what I am. You kind of don't matter. Yeah, you're the second of four. There's literally no name for it or anything. How many siblings do you have? I have just a younger brother. That's it. So I'm the eldest. Eldest sister. You guys don't have any sisters to like keep you, like keep your brains functioning basically. Yeah, it's a lot. It is. It's a lot of boys. It's a lot of boys. But now we all have girls, so it's, you know. That's right. So it's going to be a whole thing. God is fair. God is fair. Okay, we are going to talk about your new record, but I want to talk about New Jersey.

Cool. So many good singers from New Jersey. So many good bands from New Jersey. And people. And people. Some people. Tell us about your hometown. Wow. We grew up in a place called Wyckoff, New Jersey. I still live in New Jersey. Nice. Because I never really got out. Yeah. It's a choice. It sucked me back in. Of course. But no, growing up in Jersey was the first time. We did grow up in Dallas as well, in North Carolina and Arizona. We moved around a bunch with our family. But New Jersey is where we was home growing up. And I think it's the first place I remember feeling like riding bikes.

seeing houses, like, kids playing in, you know, the yards, and, like, it was, like, perfect. The first time you saw houses? Oh, we lived in, yeah. I'm sorry, it was just a really funny way to put that. I meant to see, like, white picket fence, a house like that, like, the American dream. Yes. I've never seen a home before. First time I've read about, like, a tall house. But, yeah. You're supposed to do the show after 12 o'clock. Yeah, but, like, your hometown, and it's the name of your new record, like, it means something to you. It's, like, you know, like, they're saying, like, you can't take the, you can't take the Wyckoff New Jersey out of the boy. Like, you, it's like you're, like, a homing pigeon or something. Like, you do end up going back to some version of it. Or, or.

deeply rejecting it. It's like one or the other. That was one of the things that we talked a lot about because we, you know, we're also gearing up for the tour, which represents, you know, our 20th anniversary of being a band. I know, congratulations. Thank you. It's been a wild ride, but one of the things in just talking through creative that we initially sort of butted heads on and then we found this sort of solve for it emotionally is like, not everyone has a great relationship with hometown, to your point. Yeah. And not everyone has a great relationship with their family, but one of the things that we're, I think, most grateful for is that our fans...

have chosen this family, meaning our family, but also each other. And you see it at the shows, and they really band together to say that even if your relationship with your hometown is complicated, even if your relationship with your family is complicated, you're safe here in the same way that we felt safe in our hometown growing up and with each other. And it's a pretty incredible thing to look out and see now, that sort of multi-generational effect of the fan base and how it stems to some really deep touch points for us, both with our roots in Jersey and our musical roots, speaking of some of those legends from Jersey. Okay, I want to talk about the tour because... I'm obsessed with how people act on tour. You have all toured at various stages of your life. And let me just say, congratulations on 20 years. I think when people think of you because they met you when you were young, they still think of you. And by the way, this is going to be great as you get older. People will always think you're younger than you are. But they knew you and met you when you were younger. And I don't think they realize the amount of time you've been performing. 20 years together is a huge milestone. And it's awesome. And you've now, I'm sure, gone out and toured in a million different ways.

And tours probably feel different every time you go out. Now that you're this age, what does touring look like to you? What do you do not do saving your voice going out at night? What does it look like? Wow. I think it changed a lot for us over the last five years. Our most recent tour we went on was celebrating five albums. Yeah. So we were trying to play five albums in one show. It was about a two and a half hour show. Wow. We did a lot of medley, so we were able to make the time. But it was a lot on our voice and just physically exhausting. And we played, I think, a hundred and some, a hundred how many? I don't know. It was a lot of shows. Yeah. It's really impressive. Incredible. And thank you.

It is. You start to realize you're not in your early 20s anymore. You have to really take care of your body. For me, I was not drinking before shows. And then trying to, you know, get at least six, seven hours of sleep. We also all have kids. So we have to be up and we want to be up in the morning. Six or seven. That's not enough. Not enough. And then after the show. Pretty hungry. It takes time to kind of wind down and decompress. The high is so high. Nick takes way longer. Like I'll be, I could be asleep within an hour. Like on the plane. There's so many photos that Joe has of me just, you know. Yeah, you're out. It's just one of those things. I'll watch a movie. Yeah. But Nick will be up till four or five in the morning just because it could have come down. Yeah. Just, you know, my mind's like racing after the show about how they could be better.

And you gather everyone together and you give them notes. Yeah, the notes take a while too. Hours and hours. I think the thing that's most different for me is hours. Hours of notes. I think the thing that's most different for me is I've spent a little bit more time, after this last tour, I noticed it even more so, but working with someone, like a therapist, to help me understand that coming down from it all, after a big project like that, being in the midst of the touring, I was so in it for so long that I feel like coming off, it can be so dramatic as well. Everyone says, talk about the show blues, after you do a project the next morning, you wake up and there's like...

you're kind of depressed. Well, it can be the same for me, at least, my personal story about like after a tour. Yes, of course. Re-acclimating can be difficult. It's so interesting you say that because, you know, I wanted to ask you like your relationship to fame. You've been famous for a long time and that's a microcosm of the bigger idea of like sometimes success or things that are successful or just like big giant serotonin bursts and like cortisol dumps and all that stuff. Like it is a roller coaster to come down from. Well, I think redefining for myself is redefining what the goal is and redefining what a win is because things change constantly about like what success means.

I think now for me, success means like enjoying my time doing what I love. And no matter what the outcome is, as long as we're doing it together, my family is with us and enjoying that and they're happy. And that's a win for me. Obviously, you do want milestones to happen, but like that's the bigger picture. You know, it's easier to say some of these things and truly believe that you have a grip and perspective on how to maintain some sanity. And then functionally, you get into the weeds of life in the public eye and traversing all that is complicated about it. I think it's just about.

You know, trying your best to, and it's going to sound so cliche before I say it, but trying your best to be a kind and thoughtful person while you're dealing with your own shit. That's absolutely right. And I feel the older you get, the more you realize, the less you know. Like, you're like, oh, I actually am less certain. And there's some freedom in that, too. Totally. But you're fine with fame, Joe? I'm actually really good at it. Yeah. I don't really understand what they're talking about, to be honest. You get it. I don't have no problem. It feels like, yeah. Like, literally, like, every time. I know, it's so funny. Like, I'm always, like, feeling totally fine. We can hear you guys. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I actually told them to say all that. And I will add that I...

the why kind of what you mentioned earlier like that was also on that tour that we were on I think more so like after a while you're like 60 shows in you're like wow this mountain that we're gonna climb every night and I'm tired or you're going through something really crazy in your personal life and you feel like okay well how do I navigate this and also try to do a great performance I mean as a person that goes to very few concerts because they're too late They're too long. I'm with you, honestly. I have a hard, I can't sell a lot of concerts. What do you think is the sweet spot? Okay, well, look, there are exceptions. Of course, Taylor, incredible. Her show, it's incredible. Bruce Springsteen, incredible. These shows that should be three hours and are incredible productions. But unless you're going that big, I can't do a two and a half hour concert. I'm so glad. I'm with you. I'm excited because it's just too long. And I want to hear the hits. I don't know why someone is mad at me. When they don't play the hits, I'm like, why are you mad at me? What happened? Why are we hearing the songs that we love? You got me out of my house. I got in my car.

Or I was driven there. And I was just standing. I mean, if everyone could do it. Just take a seat. I think of how great it would be if everyone took a seat. I will say, yes, I understand from the audience perspective. But I think from a momentum perspective for us, I feel like that would be a shift. That would be a shift. The older you get, I get it. But what if everyone agreed? Everyone was like, hey, we're going to have a really good time. And we're not. We'll stand at the end. No pressure. You can only get it when you go and see, like, I saw Fleetwood Mac. And it was like, the first three songs, like, ah. And the audience just collected. It was like. Incredible. And they're like, they got it. And no questions. Like, guys, get up. It's Fleetwood Mac. No, they're like, guys, I love Fleetwood Mac. And I got a last. I got a last.

I gotta last. I gotta last. Like, I can't stand up for an hour? Like, what am I? It's too long. For an hour. Yeah, for an hour. Are we waiting in line for something? Yeah, am I at, you know, my granddaughter's wedding? What's happening? They have those things like wearable seats now. You can just, like, flip it back and just kind of stand and sit. Are you serious? Yeah, it's a thing. Wearable seats? Wearable seats? Yeah. You stand and sit? There was a whole bit of this. I just watched it. Silicon Valley did it, like, about one of the guys who had a wearable seat and people, like, hated him because of it. I would totally love that.

It's like a backpack that is literally like, it looks like, and he just flips his butt back and sits. Honestly, if I can get a seat, it changes my whole night. If I was at a show and I had a seat, I'd stay another two hours. You know, it's coming in your mail tomorrow. No, but I mean, but I do, like, as a person who goes and watches performances, and you know, it's funny, comedy and music have an interesting, like, we're kind of cousins. Like, I know you guys are big fans of comedy, and you're very funny, and you've come and done SNL, and you have a great sense of humor about yourself, and you love funny people, and I feel like that happens a lot with comedians. Like, comedians are like, man, I...

wish I was a musician. I love the feeling. They understand each other sometimes. What is your relationship to comedy? How important was it to you? Early in our career, we had no traction going on music yet. This was like 2005 and 2006, and YouTube was kind of new, and it was a new and exciting way for us to connect with our fans. We were teenagers with a flip camera, whatever it was, and we were just making funny videos, and we always loved and admired great comedic actors.

I think probably just had a ton of confidence and obviously no like comedic chops but it was enough Specifically, this side of the table, no comedic chops. But we really used that as a way to promote our music. And then eventually, when things started to happen with Disney and everything else, it became a lot more structured. And there was writers and all this kind of stuff. And it was a whole new world for us. But what was, I think, really empowering and exciting was that they listened to some of our ideas and allowed us to infuse some of our own voices into the characters that we played and the various projects we did. And so when we got the call to do SNL, the first time we did it was Valentine's Day 2009. It was wild. The host was Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin was the host.

He played the fifth Jones brother in the skip. It was very funny. Yes, he did. And how old were you when you did that in 2009? I was 17. Dang. 22. Wow. And it was, yeah, it was like one of our biggest dreams come true. And there was this really wild digital short that we did with Andy and the guys. I was just listening to, I listen to Lonely Island and Seth Meyers' podcast. They were talking about it today. Oh, really? Oh, really? Cool. They were talking about it today on the way over here. They were talking about how fun it was to do it with you, how you guys, and it came out of the stupid songs you guys would make with each other. Yeah. We had a...

idea of doing some 80s hair metal band called Property of the Queen. Great name, by the way. Incredible looks in that short. And then they built this whole story out of it. Forte was playing guitar with you. And I think Bill was playing a wizard. The whole concept, which was the brilliant unlock of it. All we had was a couple of really dumb songs we wanted to do something with and this idea to do an 80s hair metal band. And so what if you guys are like, you know...

time travels or vampires or something. And Bill is this wizard who's granted you this wish to come back in time to play SNL on Valentine's Day 2009. And I catch you. Yeah, and he catches us in our con. It was very funny. Yeah, it's so good. What was the love song? Our love is like the Great Wall of China. Is that it? Our love is like the Great Wall of China. You can see it from outer space. So good. That's so dumb. Do you guys make up dumb songs all the time? And when you're, do you sing other people's music? Yes. What do you sing with each other? I have this theory. Yeah. It's not a controversial one, but it's a litmus test for me of if a song.

Could be a hit. Okay. And it's if you can spoof it. Oh, yeah. Oh, great. You can make it anything else. We have with that. And it works. We have a song called I Can't Lose. It's just, I can't lose. But I keep saying, I can't poop. I think it should be a Pepto-Bismol ad or something. Well. But the next line is, when I'm with you. So that, we'll have to figure that one out. Maybe it's like a date. You're on a date and it's awkward. They're anxious. I can't poop when I'm with you. They're on vacation.

That's so funny. It's just specific, actually, on vacation. That's the thing that people deal with. How do you flip around songs that are out right now? I know what you're talking about. When you get into a song and then you start singing it a different way. I mean, you kind of weird-al it for a short year. Yeah, I think that that's a song. He did pick hit songs. Do you harmonize to other people's songs when you're together? Yeah. You just want to sing with us, don't you? Yes, because I feel... Okay. I'm an okay singer. I'm fine. I'm not good, but I'm a pretty good harmonizer.

I feel like I want to challenge myself to see if I can get in and create a fourth part. Okay. Love it. What should we sing? How can you stop the rain from falling down? How can you sing? That's it. Perfect. Thanks. It's like a middle. It's a middle part. Thanks for entertaining me. I love that song. It's a great song. Great. In fact, your... Sorry, what's the name of the single again? Is it up here, Jenna? No time to talk. No time to talk. It's in my email. Okay, I want to play it. Oh, you have it in your email. Yes, it's so good. And it has a... It's an interpolation. That's what they would do. So...

Crazy story with this song. Started writing it like seven years ago. Really? And just assumed that it would never get cleared by BG's, but very good. And finally...

Top of this year, I pulled it back out of the, you know, vault. Vault. And I was like, we need to finish this song. Yeah. This is special. And so I teamed up with Julie Meda, who I started with, who worked on a bunch of Sabrina Carpenter stuff last year. He's killing it. And Steph Jones to help finish the lyrics. And then basically we sent it to Mr. Gibb, who had come to shows with his family before and just been the absolute best company and really, you know, supported us early in our career and spent some time with our father and talked about the industry and all this stuff. So we got word back within a couple days that...

it was approved and that they were excited about the song. That's awesome. We have a collab with the Bee Gees. With Barry. I mean, the Bee Gees were really big growing up for me and they were like very famous brothers who also, like you guys, had good hair. Great hair. Incredible hair. The flow. Just incredible hair. And that's very cool that Barry was, he must have been excited about your interpolation. Interpolation. Interpolation. Yeah, the song's just come out. Very excited about it. It's a really good driving song.

off a new album, Greetings from Your Hometown. Oh, they gave you an old edit, too, you're listening to. This is an old edit? Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah. Use it. Yeah, we gave you an exclusive. Well, somebody was like, I can't understand what you're saying, Joe. And I was like, I can understand what I'm saying. And they're like, well...

We can't. You have to re-record it. So I had to re-record it and we didn't use it. We didn't use it. We stick to the original. It must have been off that email. It didn't sound as cool as when you were mumbling. I'd like to know what you're saying because I can't understand it and I want to sing along. I'm saying side to side when your hands turn up. Joe does not know what he's singing. You throw some babies and O's in there and it works. I was just re-listening to Cake by the Ocean the other day actually.

And it's also kind of hard to understand what you're saying there, but that worked out just fine. Do you know what you're saying there? Maybe that's another sign of a good song. If it's a mumbler, it's a worker. Well, I think most people don't know. I constantly will see people in the audience be like, and then cake by the ocean. That's usually how it goes. Yeah, you just gotta get to there. Yeah.

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I think that flexibility and being able to pivot and also having a good sense of humor about yourself is longevity in the business. And I do feel like you all have that. You just have to keep pivoting and you have to stay kind of flexible and you have to have a good sense of humor about yourself. Did you learn any of that stuff when you were young? Because a lot of people that come to SNL, if they come from having experience at Disney, we would always say that what they knew how to do really well was work hard and be professional. To be professional, it's a learned skill. People don't know how to...

necessarily show up to a set and figure out how to hit their mark and, like, how to be prepared. Like, those are learned skills. And that was always the case with a lot of musicians who came through the show who had that. Did you feel like you learned stuff like that there when you were there? Definitely. The thing that Disney and working with Disney on, you know, camp rock projects for our TV show, what it really taught us was work ethic and the ability to be on a set. We had, you know, we'd never done anything on a film or TV set. And it's a really good training ground. Now, it doesn't necessarily prepare you for, like, deep character work, but that's not really what it's there to do. It's...

really fun entertaining stuff for a certain demographic and I think you know in our maybe in our like late teens when we were sort of aging out of playing high schoolers and stuff and then you know obviously in our 20s there's that moment where you're kind of embarrassed by it or you're like oh man we're known for this thing thankfully we've been able to you know make career moves and things where we can look back on that fondly and I think it marks a chapter in you know our fans life now who've grown up too and their kids are being introduced to it and those people just like the song is for them those people don't want to feel embarrassed about the stuff they used to like that's the thing is like we all when we were younger like really invested in things at that tender age and we cared about it and you Guys were around for a lot of people's tender ages. And now everyone's growing up together. And it's like, why do we want to go back and be mean to the younger version of ourselves? We're just trying to figure it out. Guilty pleasure is a bad word in my house. Ooh, why? It's like, it's because it's like, you should be allowed. Yeah, yeah. This is what, this is what I deal with. Got him. Got him. Yes, Nick, it's two words. How'd you come back from that, bro? Like, he's literally sweating. He's never going to come back from that. You got this, eldest. Here we go. It's been fun. Thanks. Guilty pleasure is a bad word. Guilty pleasure is a bad word. Guilty pleasure is a bad word. Guilty pleasure is a bad word. Guilty pleasure is a bad word.

because it literally is defines who you are you should be allowed to like what you like I totally agree I love it I think it's fun to think about when you were a kid the things that you were into and that you still love and there was a season where you were like nervous about it we used to go on our school bus with CDs and taped cassettes in our hands and back then you'd kind of be shy to show what you're listening to now it's like through Spotify you can listen to everything and you're like it's everywhere which is nice and it's not like a big deal that you're listening to this style music and that style music and it goes into other weird things in a totally different context have this conversation with some people the other day which is like it's so hard to get anything made totally oh dude it's so difficult to get anything made produced put on a platform of any kind yes and it just feels like we don't have to use a blanket statement like it's objectively excellent it can just be good to whoever is receiving it you're absolutely right and also don't you feel like now that you're like you've spent 20 years making things that you really are just I mean I find myself being way less I mean When you're a teenager in your 20s, there's a lot of black and white. Like, I'll always, I'll never. That sucks. That's great. You're trying to figure out your taste and who you are. But as you get older, you do. And if you're lucky enough to make things, you really do feel like, oh, there's something interesting there. And I like how that was made. And I know that was hard. And I can figure out that process. And I understand what they were trying to say there. But maybe it didn't hit there. Like, you just understand the complexity of making things. Yeah. It's so different. Can I put you in the hot seat for a second? Always. I have a question about things that you've done, you did, that when you look back, in the moment, you're like, this is silly. And, you know, people are laughing. But did it feel like?

this is annoying to be doing this bit that they're enjoying and I'm personally like not loving it. I know what you mean. I'm like, is this me? Yeah, I think like, especially as an actor, you know, you're worried that the way you enter the business will always be the way you're seeing the business. And it's like, will I be typecast? Like I, I remember when I first started, I was doing all these crazy characters. Like I played this young sister of Conan O'Brien on like late night with Conan O'Brien. Like I was like a nut. And then I would get cast a lot as just this like.

you know, really like intense person. And then I did a lot of movies and TV shows where I was an intense person with lots of energy, like just kind of forcing people to do things. And I was good at it. I liked doing it. But then I would worry sometimes, am I just always playing this kind of person? Like, am I always going to be seen as this way? And, you know, even just being like starting in sketch, like it was like, will people just always think of me as this kind of way? And just like you said, it started to become less the thing I worried about and more the thing I was just proud of because I learned so much from it. I got...

I got to do so many things because of it. And as long as you believe that you are not limited. then you're not. You don't have to, you know, it's basically just like other people's opinion is none of your business. It just takes a long time to get there, I think. Actually, after I did SNL one time and somebody said, I mean, it was exactly what I needed to hear. It was one of the writers who said, hey, just don't try to be funny. And I was like, oh, that's, that like hurts in the moment. But then it's like, that's so accurate. It's funny. Right. So you don't have to jam it to be funny. And it was like so freeing. And then I stopped worrying about like, am I being silly or am I being this? I'm just, you know.

saying the words that are already funny. That's the vibe I get from you guys is your confidence and just like goofing around and being funny. And I mean, it is, it is. It's just when you get out of your own head and you're just, but it takes some time, I think. I think like that's, that's what comes with age. Well, you're in my favorite movie ever. You know that. Okay.

Our favorite. He talks about it. They talk about it. It's a framed poster that Nick has in his bathroom. Okay, so I'm going to talk to you about something. So we do this thing at the beginning of each podcast where we talk to people who know our guests and we kind of talk well behind their backs. And I get to know the guests a little bit and I kind of prep for the guests with someone who knows them. So I talked to Jack McBrayer. Okay, I was about to say. Love Jack. He texted me yesterday. Love him.

And he's, you know, I have a lot of friends, but there's only one Jack that sends a birthday video to you every year, no matter what. And it's like, I have like people I see like every day that don't do that. He, in fact, when we were talking, he said, I only have one birthday today. And I realized like, this is a full-time job to keep up with everybody's birthday. It's a thing. And people should know we have the same birthday. We have the same birthday. September 16th. Same year, too. Molly Shannon, same year. Molly Shannon also has the same birthday. That's right. You know, I set up her Instagram.

That's amazing. Tell us about that. This is a real story. I forgot about that. This is a great story. We were at Sundance Film Festival in 2016 or 2017. And we ended up at this bar. We're having a few drinks talking. She's like, my daughter really thinks I should get on Instagram. Do you know how to do it? I was like, yeah, give me your phone. And so I set up her thing. It's like the official superstars, her name. Yeah. Because we were like a few drinks. And she's like, what should we say your name is? She's like stuck. That's cool. And he still runs it. And he has the password still. She'll text him photos and videos. He's like, hey, can you get this up in the next hour? And Nick's like, I have two shows today. Like, I don't have time for this. She's like, ugh. Damn it. Get it up now.

So Jack is such, like, just loves you guys so much. And Jack and I laughed because during deep COVID, when no one was going out and everybody was wearing gloves and masks and meeting each other in the driveway, Jack came to my house to have me sign a They Came Together poster for you. It's the things we do during COVID. Also, like, it's not like I'm, this isn't like a bit, like, it's legit. it brings me the most joy I love that movie for people who don't know Paul Rudd and I did a movie that David Wayne directed that Michael Showalter and David Wayne wrote was a parody of a rom-com yeah and it's brilliant like it's I did a movie with Paul last year which comes out either this later this year or next year and I the first day on set I was like I have to like just ask you how this happened what's the story and he kind of gave me the load I was like a table read or something then you know you guys did the movie but my point about it is like it's not just one of those like hilarious, quotable movies. It's really smart. I feel like it's a lot of the comedy that Tim Robinson's doing now, too. Yeah, it's sort of ahead of its time. It's so good. And I do have a signed poster. And Jack didn't remember that he was in the movie. And then we're at a friend's house. We're actually at Glenn Powell's house. I heard. You guys are friends with Glenn Powell. And I'm like, have you guys ever seen The Game Together? And everyone's like, no, let's watch it. And Jack's like, oh, I'm in this movie. No, was that real or was that a jack bit? No, I think he legit forgot that he was in the movie. He's super famous and he works a lot. And he was in playing basketball. He might have forgot. That scene is so good.

There's a hilarious scene in the movie where it's just, you know, it's that moment in every movie where the men are just trying to figure things out. And each represent like a different point of view. I'm the married guy. I think you should stay with me. Swish, swish. They're basically talking about dating and they're just like speaking, you know, just saying their exposition out loud. Now I'm the guy that doesn't think you should commit and they're playing terrible basketball. It's so good. My other favorite scene is when you guys are sitting in the coffee shop.

And he's like, all right, I'm on the phone. And you're like, let me try it. And you can't do it. When you're ordering the coffee, that's the long thing. He remembers your order. Do you want to get a monkey with key? I know the whole movie. It's so good. Wait up, would you? That's my favorite. Hey, big brother, slow down. Max Green feels so good. Okay, so Jack had a question, which is so cute. But his question was like, what are y'all's conflict style? Like, how do you figure out arguments? Between the three of us. Yeah, like when you argue, some people like to...

withdraw, some people like to tease, some people like to argue. What is your conflict style? It's interesting. I feel like it ends up being... It's some combination of two people are fighting, the other is just sitting back, watching, observing. That's usually how it is. Or mediating. Playing referee or mediating. Or it's just like, go off. Do your thing. Is anyone a yeller? None of us are really yellers. We can be defensive, reactive. Anyone a punisher, like a silent treatment person.

Nick a bit. A little bit, yeah. I think I'm just trying to work through it. I'm not doing it on purpose. Yeah, you're just like, I'm going to go over here and work, and then I'll come back. And we'll talk through it. I'm reactive. I've always been that way. I try to work on it all the time. It's hard. It's my life. It's my struggle. It's my life. Thanks, Bonjo. I just snap back, and I don't always mean what I'm saying. Well, you have a tough job. It's very hard. Thank you. I appreciate talking to you so much. They don't understand. No, I work on it. It's hard, but I also have anticipatory anxiety about things. Big word.

Yeah, you're killing it on the words. Yeah, you're all over the map today. I'm right, so you're thinking ahead. That's because, I would argue, you're thinking ahead of like, you're just wanting to make sure like, I'm going to future trip so I can be safe in the future. That's exactly right. And I also, I think through it in the negative. Okay, because like a little bit of a catastrophizer. Yeah, it's about what would happen if I say this and they're going to react this way and then I go this way. It's like, it's that. So I'm dealing with it sometimes. I love that. Your joy. The character. Yeah, I'm literally just, I'm like, you're saying this. I'm like, oh my God. Your joy.

I was like, this is a script. Are you reading a script right now? No, it's the whole way you wrote that down to protect yourself. I'm like, this is the plot for Inside Out 2. It's true. It's so good. Inside Out 2 is insane. I watched it with my daughter, and we're both crying for different reasons. It's incredible. You're in all my favorite movies. Including my Subway commercials that I love. Thanks. Let's give a shout out to Subway while we can, and we'd love for them to give us... I've literally heard it this morning. Subway as in... I heard it this... I'm just trying to get the New York Subway up. A little notoriety. I heard you this morning as I got out of the shower. I was like, I'm going to see her later.

But there is something about, I have two sons. I think that relationship with brothers is really like, really beautiful and cool because exactly what we saw, we just see like in this hour is the way you gently tease each other, the way you kind of keep each other. I got there. I think, sorry. Yeah, no, please. We had a superstar mom too, so that we still do. Okay, what did she do that? She, I mean, four boys in one home. She was the boss, you know, there's just, and also understanding how to be nice guys to women. And growing up, just like.

I think we needed a loud voice like her to be able to control us and also make sure that we're like a piece of shit. So I think that was important. But I think also like, yeah, brothers are, boys are so different than girls. It's like, I watch, like, I watch my kids on the playground and I'm like, it's like delicate. And then this kid's like, and they dive off the top of a slide. And it's like, that's, that's a boy. Yeah. I mean, your frontal lobes close later. I mean, I was just going to say that. Yeah. But, but yeah, I mean.

what is the best, I mean, I know you've been asked this a million times, but it is, what is the best thing about working with your brother? Like being brothers, working together, what is the best part of it? There is a built-in safety net that it's not to say you can't develop with friends and coworkers and all that, but they need nothing from me. I need nothing from them but just real connection, love, and respect. And we're family. We're blood. So it hits different. It makes every high, super high. It makes every low a little easier to navigate. And the mundane stuff in between becomes even more fun because you get to deal with two people that you not only love and respect, but you genuinely have a good time with. So that's my feeling. That's nice. I mean, I'm the same way. I'd like to...

fail or succeed with someone yeah it is amazing um so uh last question what are you guys listening to watching reading playing that makes you laugh these days in these like very difficult times where life is pretty rough and the world is um hanging on by a thread. What do you do to like check out or laugh or make yourself? I really enjoyed the Four Seasons show. Yes! I liked that a lot. I interviewed Will Forte on this pod, which, and Tina, I think they're like, I love watching them together. Yeah, it was great. So like, cozy, cozy shows. Yeah, that's not always my, I mean, I love the studio. The studio was great. So funny. The last two episodes were ridiculous. The cast is insane. The cast is another level. Oh my God, so good. So great. It's incredible too. I've just been like, I restarted watching all of Nathan For You.

because I watched the rehearsal which I think is just so brilliant and messed up and insane and he finds the most interesting people it's just so great did you watch the new season of rehearsal I'm watching it right now the second season okay so I it gets me very stressed oh of course I can do it yeah I have it's just there's like a mirror neuron thing where I get like very nervous he just will keep asking questions and he knows what he's up to I was at a restaurant recently and he I saw him and I when I see somebody that I really like I think I love their work I don't want to say hi but I'll like can I send them a drink or maybe just whatever they're eating and whatever can I send something and I don't need to say hi I'll sometimes try to leave before and I saw him I was like oh my god like I love him I have to like I'm gonna send him I send him a drink him and his friend and about 30 minutes later the waiter brought over a dollop of mayonnaise and handed it to me and they're like this is from Nathan and I look over and he goes and he goes back to this and my friends are laughing so hard I'm like guys he wants don't laugh he wants it so bad and he was really kind of and he walks over and he's like did you get my gift And the waiter said that she went to the chef and was like, she's like, I think I may have put my job on the line because I asked for a job on that and the chef was so mad. It's a pretty nice restaurant. It was so mad. She's like, please, please. She's like, but I think both of you are really great. And I just was like, this will be a story I can use forever. Yeah, she did. I'm glad. Have we learned nothing from the bear? We need to give the customer what they want. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, chef. Yeah, chef. And what about you, Kev? I am currently, me and my wife, we go through like long form like sitcoms that have like 900 seasons. We just like started as like feel good. So we're in the middle of Big Bang Theory again. Just so good. Love a rewatch.

A simple rewatch. It's a simple rewatch, yeah. Okay, I'm going to let you guys go. This was so great. Thank you so much. That was really, really fun. I love this. It was a blast. Thank you so much for doing it. What a good hang. It was a good hang. Thank you for singing with me. I feel refreshed. Put that out as a single. Yeah. All right, thanks guys. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Thank you, Jonas Brothers. That was so great. Kevin, Joe, Nick, thank you for being here on a two-show day and letting us hang with you and watching you hang with each other. You guys are a lot of fun, and I really enjoyed this episode. And now it's time for the special part of the show, the Polar Plunge. And this particular plunge is brought to you by Laneige and the Lip Sleeping Mask. I've been using this lip balm during the show, and guess what? Now they are a sponsor. It's an overnight leave-on lip mask powered by Korean skincare to soften lips while delivering intense moisture and antioxidants all while you sleep. I mean...

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music and going to shows. And I just want to say again, if you're an artist putting your set list together, cut it in half. We want the show to be shorter. Yes, there are great artists who have three-hour bodies of work that we should go and see and support, but for the most part, my favorite show is a fast one. You know what I loved? I went to the Hollywood Bowl a couple years ago in Los Angeles. I saw Billy Joel. The show was an hour and a half. We all sat down the entire time. And I sang all of his lyrics because he's easy to understand. So thank you, Billy. Thank you to everybody who sat down. Let's just get that. Let's normalize sitting down during shows. And thank you, Jonas Brothers, for...

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