The Landlord's Guide to Smarter Tenants: No More Crazy Stories with Joel Miller

Joel Miller has owned rental property for 47 years. Last month, by his count when this episode was recorded, he celebrated the anniversary. He has flipped over 100 houses since 1991. He has been hard-money lending to local investors since 2018. Before any of that, he was a pioneer of the mobile DJ business in the Erie, Pennsylvania area, with 5,057 appearances over 35 years on the books before he retired from that career 14 years ago. He bought his first rental in January 1978, weeks after starting the DJ business and shortly after graduating with an accounting degree. He still owns that first property. It has been refinanced multiple times and is now paid off. That parallel-career path is the entire thesis behind Joel's book, Build Real Estate Wealth: Enjoy the Journey of Rental Property Investment. The target reader is someone who loves their vocation, hobby, or trade and has no interest in quitting it, but also has no plan in place for the years after they stop earning. Rental real estate is the second income stream that pays for the first one to feel less like an obligation. What landed in this conversation: Tenant selection starts before the property exists. Joel teaches landlord one-on-one inside his local investor association and his core lesson is that the universe of likely tenants is being narrowed by every decision you make before you ever pick up the phone: city, neighborhood, building type, condition, marketing channel, asking rent. By the time someone calls, you have already chosen what kind of human being lives in that unit. His income rule is three times take-home pay (not gross) when the tenant pays utilities, lower when you include utilities, and the screening philosophy is to make the applicant qualify to you, not the other way around. The one exception he and Ed both make: medical-related credit dings get worked with. Optional spending choices do not. His son bought his first rental at 19 with seller financing. A week after high school graduation last June, the now-19-year-old closed on his first rental with 5% down, a 30-year amortization, 6% interest, an 8-year balloon, and $10,000 off a $135,000 asking price. No bank involved. Joel's broader point on capital stack: he bought his very first house with conventional savings-and-loan financing in 1978 and has barely used a conventional bank loan since outside of two larger apartment complexes acquired in the past several years. The other deals were owner-financed at low or no money down. The hard-money model is hyper-local on purpose. Joel lends only in his county and the next county over, the area between Cleveland and Buffalo where he can drive to every property himself and meet every borrower at his local landlord association. He underwrites either a fix-and-flip exit to a retail buyer or a stabilize-then-refi exit to a portfolio lender. His most-undervalued service is the walkthrough itself. He asks questions during the visit that have caused multiple borrowers to walk away from the deal before signing anything. Sometimes the best loan is the loan you do not make. The 60,000 square foot commercial mistake. Joel replaced the managing partner in a three-way ownership group on a roughly 60,000 square foot office building. The two anchor tenants combined for 75% of the rent roll: a catalog showroom corporate office and a well-known local restaurant and banquet operator. Both filed Chapter 11 within two months of his taking over, then converted to Chapter 7. Ten years of putting out fires followed. Joel eventually gave his ownership share to the other two partners just to be free of it. The lesson he carried out: with concentrated tenant rosters, dig deeper into the financial health of the major tenants before you close. The silver lining: he met his wife in that building. One of the realtor branch offices was a tenant, and as managing partner he kept a backup key ring there. She was the keeper of the keys. The line that anchors Joel's whole approach to mentors: do not take advice from anyone you would not want to change places with. He recommends two older books that have aged well: Napoleon Hill's Grow Rich With Peace of Mind and Sterling Sill's How to Personally Profit from the Laws of Success. His own book covers everything from entity formation through eviction. Joel's success definition: if he had to choose between losing all his money and losing all his relationships, he would lose the money in a heartbeat. The relationships will help him get the money back. The reverse is not true. Find Joel at joelmillerbooks.com. The homepage has the full table of contents and sample writings from every chapter so you can see exactly what you are buying before you decide. Real Estate Underground with Ed Mathews. 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