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EPISODE · Aug 5, 2026 · 57 MIN

The Leadership Divide (Episode 3): Performance vs. Potential

from I Hate It Here · host Hebba Youssef

Featured Guest: Jackie Sahm (Vice President of Integrated Solutions, Hogan Assessments) --- We've built a world where the people who get promoted aren't always the people who should be leading, and we have enough data to stop this madness and do something about it!  In this latest episode of The Leadership Divide, Hogan Assessment's Jackie Sahm and I get into why orgs keep confusing performance with potential, why confidence gets mistaken for competence, and how we accidentally engineer the exact leadership problems we're all complaining about.  This situation is far more common than it should be, but the good news is that it doesn’t have to be! 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:56 - What’s The Difference Between Performance And Potential? 00:04:20 - What Are Orgs Actually Measuring? 00:07:01 - Why Leaders Mistake Similarity For Potential 00:11:11 - Should Intuition Ever Drive Promotions? 00:13:37 - What Does The Leadership Effectiveness Gap Look Like? 00:19:50 - Why Doesn’t The System Get Fixed? 00:27:05 - What Does A Better Talent Process Look Like? 00:33:21 - Where HR Should Start 00:42:02 - Should We Audit Promotion Decisions? 00:46:11 - What Do Orgs Keep Getting Wrong About Leadership? --- Hogan Assessments is the international leader in personality insights. With the world’s largest database of personality research and decades’ worth of experience in psychometrics, Hogan produces valid, reliable personality assessments that measure everyday strengths, potential shortcomings, and values and motivators. Hogan’s solutions empower organizations to hire the right people without bias, boost productivity, reduce turnover, promote diversity and inclusion, identify high-potential talent, develop leaders, and inspire employees to do their best.  To learn more, check them out at ⁠⁠http://hogan.to/ihateithere⁠⁠ --- And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration.⁠⁠https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/⁠⁠ And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here⁠⁠ for even more exclusive insider content!  --- Follow Jackie on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackie-vanbroekhoven-sahm-8263686/   Follow Hebba:  YouTube:⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos⁠⁠ LinkedIn:⁠⁠ https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef⁠⁠ Twitter:⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef⁠⁠

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