THE LIMINAL SCENE: Layman Pascal vs Bonnitta Roy on "The Nature of Nature"

In this Integral Stage reboot of Point/Counterpoint, Bonnitta Roy challenges Layman Pascal to debate the nature of nature.   When we say "human nature," do we mean something different from "nature," or not?  Is there a gap between "us" and everything else?   Welcome to Liminal Point/Counterpoint, the game show where Layman does his best to try to disagree with someone and the results become... increasingly subtle.