The Lindsay Clancy Trial: The Jurors Speak, Reddington Makes Moves, & "Repeal the 19th"

The jury foreperson has a name now. Roni Carlson. She and two other women from that panel sat down with NBC10 this week and told everybody what actually went on in there for seven days, and one detail has been rattling around my skull since.The holdout admitted he had reasonable doubt.Out loud. To the room. She was so relieved she started filling out the verdict forms, all three of them, signed her name on each one. And then he said, "But I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity."He wasn't confused. He got there. He walked all the way to the answer and then just declined to be moved by it, and that's the thing I can't put down, because it's the whole summer in one sentence.The rest of what those women described isn't much prettier. They said he was arrogant. Said he wouldn't engage. Said he brushed off the nurses on the panel when they walked him through the medications and the toxicology, which, if you're a woman who has ever been in a meeting, you already knew was coming.Meanwhile Kevin Reddington had a week.He went on Good Morning America and asked the President to pardon a woman facing state charges, which the President cannot do and which Reddington later admitted he knows perfectly well. I break down what that stunt was actually for and who it was actually aimed at, because it wasn't Trump.He floated a plea. He said he'd like to chat with the jurors, which is a normal thing for a lawyer to say and a slightly less normal thing to say five days after accusing one of them of perjury in open court.And before the courthouse doors shut, he announced his next client. She's charged with murdering her grandmother in North Adams and she's been sitting in a cell for nearly four years waiting for a trial. Every allegation in that case is unproven and she's pleaded not guilty, and I say so about eight times, because half the outlets covering it have already decided what it rhymes with.Also in here: the math Tim Cruz is staring at before the September 29 hearing, why a plea is probably the most humane outcome available and will satisfy nobody, and how a Brockton defense attorney became a folk hero to women who couldn't have picked him out of a lineup in July.Then the repeal-the-19th crowd, who did not go home after the mistrial and who are not who you think they are.And at the end, the boys. I went and read the actual research on raising sons who don't turn into manosphere sycophants. IF YOU NEED SUPPORTNational Maternal Mental Health Hotline: call or text 1-833-TLC-MAMA (1-833-852-6262). Free, confidential, 24/7.Postpartum Support International: 1-800-944-4773, or text "Help" to 800-944-4773. Warmline, not a crisis line. A volunteer calls you back.In crisis: dial or text 988, or text HOME to 741741.Postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency. Go to an emergency room.Support the show at patreon.com/wesawthedevil.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime