The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’

I'm Sean Fennsee and this is the Big Picture 8 Conversation show about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Chris Ryan who's here today to talk with us about The Riff which is the new film from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck starring together and also to draft movies from their careers. Yes, Happy W-Riff. Thank you. Well, is this Don't Worry?

That's really where I wanted to start this conversation. Spiritually, yes. It's January and in theory this should be the time when the movies that the studios don't believe it are coming out and yet we've just had 28 years later the Bone Temple which rocked and I've just seen the film Primate which also rocked and we all enjoyed the Riff. Yes.

We still have a handful of movies still to come. Sam Raimi sent help which we haven't seen yet. We have Charlie X DX and Aiden Samiri's The Moment. Oh yeah.

Is this the best January of all time? Do you want January to be quote best or good? Like is the point of January supposed to be this is for Sicko is we're going to the movies five times to watch 90-minute genre movies like Night Swim? Well, I think it being like a place for original movies which is what most of these movies are being the last of last bastion of original movies is kind of exciting.

So maybe it is for the Sickos. I don't know what do you think? We normally plan a Dumpuary movie episode and like around the fact that we know this time the schedule is soft. People, studios put things here that they're not really excited about and we think but we'll have fun and then we go see all the movies and they're not that fun and then we record sort of like a down episode and you kind of like have a breakdown.

So this January is what we imagine in our minds when we plan the Dumpuary episode and we're like no no no this is for the real ones for the people who want to get back to basics right you know and there is like a very gnarly horror plus movie and there is there was a romantic comedy on Netflix that like did not have enough sex but also romantic comedy. Yeah so it's they are meeting our needs and we're not going to leave this depressed. It's great. I bet you guys are also feeling a bit of relief because it's an antidote to talking about the same three movies.

100% endlessly from every different angle for the awards season since Oscars are in March I'm sure it's like refreshing, refreshing honestly. I think that the Bone Temple really lifted my spirit. It's Prime 8 which is this new movie from Johannes Roberts is just like the most what you see on the label of the you know at the grocery store movie of all times like there's a killer ape he goes crazy because he gets rabies and he just starts killing actors you've never seen and it's incredibly gory it's really fun it's 87 minutes yeah it has a really good fake John Carpenter score it's very stylish Johannes Roberts who made the strangers pray at night and 47 meters down. He makes like schlocky good B movies.

Joan Collette's their junior very much she's kind of in that tradition and since Collette's Sarah has kind of graduated to you know much bigger movies it's nice that we have somebody making stuff like that that to me is just like a good version of a dumpy worry movie you know where it's going to make $25 million the box office the people who are gonna have a good time when I saw a lot of people were literally clapping and laughing in the theater because it's just fun yeah bone temple the rip even send help and potentially the moment are like they're real movies yeah they're not movies that have been dumped somewhere they are made by famous people they're part of it like genuine traditions history so maybe well I one thing that I did do is I looked back at the January this is really cool yeah I look back at the January's from the last 40 years so I just looked at 86 96 in 2016 just to kind of get a sense this isn't gonna be a total history of January the movies but we can look at the kind of stuff that came out in 86 not a ton of notable titles I guess the most notable is probably down and out in Beverly iron eagle to a certain iron eagle is well-liked um cine lemets power movie that I like quite a bit but is not considered one of his greatest films and then a lot of stuff you haven't thought about or ever heard of you know the adventures of the american rabbit the adventures of Mark Twain the client of the cave bear that Michael chattman's view he directed troll my chauffeur is the best of times the football movie it's Kurt Russell and Robin Williams yes um is it like high school I think it's nice going back to LSU or going back to high school or something yeah so that wasn't that's not a great year there's some interesting well-known figures there but that's not great 96 very resonant in my mind January 96 one of the weirdest things about it is on the same day three mainstream comedies were released biodome don't be a menace to sell central world drinking your juice in the hood and Dunstan checks in yeah sure what you're all very like burned into my brain movies that I saw in the I'm pretty sure I saw all three in theaters and I mean we're 14 or 13 yeah and I mean biodome at 13 yeah yeah what's your favorite polyurem movie I'm not a huge I guess Encino Encino man it's got Encino man um Dunstan checks in it's kind of a private time right as a monkey who's up no good also that year John Slosinger's i4 and i with Sally Fields sure a lawn morn man too colon beyond cyberspace say before then what is the on cyberspace which is about to find out what was the concept of cyberspace in 1896 also I mean it was dial up it was do we have dial up 96 I think yeah we did okay I was on the internet 96 I was a part of a no if I did pavement listserv wow where you would like write an email and it would get sent to like you know 50 people in the list yeah no I know I was like actually sorry I was like my first writing quote job was like a college listserv okay yeah I've told this before but I have literally would boot up and then just spend 14 hours downloading the reservoir dogs trailer and just like not like anybody call my mom's house this I remember too but I thought it was later than 96 and for a while I also like for a while I was definitely taking those like AOL like free 10 minutes of AOL like yeah you would get my parents were not actually letting me connect to the internet so I was like no no no let me get my one hour and then let me get a new CD I'm like a 300 hours but like I definitely max all of it totally it would be amazing if some point like George Clooney was trying to call the house to ask him on now it was just like Cindy so you're someone beyond cyberspace we'll never meet um one more man to never seen it never seen it I never seen yeah also that month speaking of George Clooney from dust told on yes this might be the best movie that was released in all of these January's but at the time it seems like kind of a classic on people have you seen screamers I haven't screamers if I remember correctly is a sci-fi movie about little alien buzz saws in the sand take people's heads off very cool uh and I remember making a huge impact on me as a child as a young man starring Peter Weller yes what how small were the best us they're like fist sized okay like screaming around in the brain all right but not like grains of sands no they more or less powerful than new met starting third base in bogey here we go here we go okay dirty work by you it's dirty work by you and it's dirty work by your fucking GM that was a handshake agreement of long term stability and financial gain that the philadelphia is offering him also multiple trips to the playoffs over the years an institutional kind of trust yeah in in greatness it's shocking because he's white and you would just imagine just him wanting to join the whitest we're so happy to have Boboshette you know under this like 30 hours ago I was in a bad place you're such a you're probably getting so pissed off about Kyle Tucker as you should be I saw that news relatively soon after it happened and like almost texted you and then I was like I'm gonna step away from this I don't know Jack and I had a very gentle meeting yesterday 45 minutes it was only about the Mets and we were just like could this happen is this possible oh shit no no not Boboshette talk like we were we were getting our hopes up and we were devastated and now we're back if you take another shot at the Phillies I mean I have a private meeting with Jeff Chow unless you get the Dodgers to sponsor the picture and you have to do Dodgers entry it's about the sterling line of the day we can't destroy them we have to try to become them that's the only way through no the only way through now we have to live within the rules of the knee her children can I will never bend the knee I just like to save anyone from the Dodgers organization is listening to this my child and I would love to attend a game this season I pronounced the Braves and I am also a free agent I love going to the Dodgers stadium but I can't I pronounce the Empire two dollars is no longer my favorite player 2006 anything jump out from the stretch I mean high school musical is yeah a little bit you know we're a little old rice going to go by generation lee fly in yeah you guys up on Ashley Tisdramma yeah yeah the mom chat yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm doing it yourself mega trainer says that's not her mega trainer is husband says it's not so I don't respectfully I don't really think that mega trainer is in like the center of the mom group in question I've been following them from the other side and from their instagrams and they've they've made it pretty clear that she was she was kicked out for her political yeah and well they haven't said that and I wouldn't I'm not gonna assume anything but yeah and then the husband Hilary does husband did like the actual yeah the stack up relative to me storming out of the fantasy football chat that we had it's not it's not dissimilar yeah a man with really out there political beliefs that's not what happened 2006 I just want to shout out a hostile hostile when it happened very important and it was very fun we wrote decent sports movie solid that was Josh Lucas's big swing he tried to step up what do you mean what's his big swing that was a big star is in that right is there a bigger movie from a bigger studio it's a Disney Disney sports movie starring Josh Lucas as a basketball coach well eyes well yeah I guess you're right Tristan and he sold the James no have you read Tristan any sold is it an opera I think so he did not direct yeah yeah um I saw musicals biggest movie out of all these what about big mamas house too I think I think I school musicals probably sold the overtures what plays in Malanchalia oh yeah so that's yeah well I mean I think it's probably else but yes definitely yes but like once you get into like the northern European stuff as we know all their mythology I don't I don't follow it so you don't know the Norse you don't know the Norse mythology no I don't that's right that's why I kept being like so where is Thor right now and you guys were like he's obviously on Ragnarok or like he's with Tristan I just want to point out that Nan McPhee is how Emma Thompson got to like renovate her kitchen or whatever and that's important for everyone Tristan and he sold is is a Celtic romance story from the 12th century sorry to disrespect the Celtic it was also the story of Tristan is old was apparently what Ridley Scott was going to do instead of alien until he saw Star Wars and then just just just in Cathy Kennedy's exit interview oh we can talk about that if you'd like true um I haven't yet had a chance to read it in full I basically just read Matt Bellany's summary of it um but I got a pretty depressing she presided over a bad time in Star Wars history but even even even like her illusions to the forces beyond her control that were keeping certain things so when she talked about James Bangled and Bo Willemons script which he said broke the mold and was amazing but is on hold and then obviously referenced the Skyburn Steven Soderbergh down driver movie what did she say about that that it was great but that it's basically she was not allowed to make that yeah because Bob Iger said Palpatine is Palpatine is back Palpatine is back so the other guy came back yeah right and as a reaction that I'll be naming my firstborn son Kylo Kylo Bishette um yeah this is a this is just a terrible stretch and then obviously it's very obvious to me that she was broken by the backlash to the last Jedi and she just completely failed to make any move that was not incredibly safe and or gave baloney she said pretty much explicitly she's like the hardest thing is that there is a small percentage of the fans of the most vocal ones that restrict our ability to don't restrict anything I'm just creativity do what you feel is the most interesting outcome that can also be successful that's your job that's what all executives should do in my opinion okay 2016 um 13 hours to see her soldiers have been gazzy yeah Michael Bay's fearless portrayal of okay all right of the of of Benghazi yeah so what happened there what you start as hooray Clinton in that film which version of events would you like me to recount you know what's we seen in in 13 hours dirty grandpa 2016 January kung fu Panda 3 that's a pretty big movie oh yeah um the finest hours during Chris Pine yep underrated I think which one of that five and that black was the sequel of the 50 Shades of Grey no it was the parody starring Marlon Lance by that so January a gun a very infamous kind of behind the scenes yes Natalie starring film Ramsey directed at right no she's supposed to fire no Connor come in to work on it um and yeah like a hot script at the time that was then kind of mangled in the making a movie that does not exist uh so yeah this has been a pretty good January you want to talk about the rip well let me just ask you one more dump you worry question yes in a perfect world uh would Hollywood more evenly distribute the programmers from January across the year to give people more variety at the movies throughout the year or do you enjoy the lollapalooza aspect of the first month it's just this grab bag of like ups and downs and curveballs and I mean at the risk of being insanely positive about movies February has some really cool stuff too so it's possible that stuff evening out right now is more movies just start to come out and I was gonna say that there like the rhythms that we have like come you see sure are changing and I mean you see that like in best picture nominees and winners are now kind of released throughout the year and like you know they're like four different horror seasons except often for october which is very weird and tons of horror movies exactly it's like every studio is looking for the new window in the new spot and like let's try this so it actually is somewhat distributed I'm totally fine with I wish it would extend to basically the first four to five months of the year I think that would be a really fun fertile playground and then if you want to basically call it uh what Memorial Day on um it's basically blockbuster is going into a word season I'll accept that I think it will be this year three months because April 3rd is the Super Mario Galaxy movie and that's kind of when the summer starts even though it's only April but prior to that you know you've got your Scream 7s and your bone temples but for the most part it's a lot of you know it's product home area and it's weathering heights and the bride and it's kind of like exciting oatores movies that seem like they've been dumped but might actually be better than we think they are but the new trailer for the bride was really good by the way I don't know if you guys saw that I'm kind of excited about that movie now um so yeah did you see the poster for Scream 7 there's like 47 well I certainly saw Tim's side yeah I follow his instructions and zoomed in uh there may be too many people in that movie we'll see I will watch it and I'll probably rewatch all the Scream movies before I watch it and I look forward to that um the rip yeah it's on Netflix right now this is the new film from Jill Carnahan who has given us some good dump-you-wear-esque movies in the past including The Grey, Smokin' Aces, Nark, Nark, um he wrote and directed this film Stars, Daemon and Afflex, Steven Yontay on a Taylor, Sasha Kanye, Catalina, Sandino, Moreno, Scott Adkins, Kyle Chandler, Sniffer, Arbonnelle, it's a very overqualified cast yes um and not everyone is used equally I agree with that it is about a group of Miami cops who discover a stash of millions in cash leading to distrust as outsiders learn about the seizure making them question who to rely on okay what did you think about this movie it's an absolute yes for me of course I had high expectations this was number 12 on my most anticipated list because you have the reunion of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck which is the reason I go to the movies or watch them on my TV at home and you also have Echoes of Triple Frontier which is one of the great dump-you-weary movies of years past for this podcast and a great example of the feeling of like nobody else really got this but like we got it you know and like Charlie Hunham you know writing things on a chalkboard and then having a panic attack like in a public is meaningful so um and it delurs you know it does what it says on the box like with enough charm and with enough humor like everyone everyone is very competent and Daemon and Affleck are having fun so I had a great time I think we have enough evidence from the artist equity movies that these guys have been making together since they were united with air that they're kind of making the movies that they would like to watch and you get that from this like you get a tremendous amount even though it's a very dark movie both like in its lighting and its content you get the the idea that they are really really enjoying them so yes and that this is the kind of movie that they grew up watching this is the kind of b-movie that they kind of sharpen their teeth on in a different world they'd be happy to just be making free of these a year but they're obviously two of the most famous actors we've had in the last 40 years so they have other responsibilities and other ambitions but this is just awesome if anything it was almost too good for the material or there's the inverse of that is like it's too bad for the guys who are in it like yes I totally agree this script is like a B- it's not it's not a great story it's kind of familiar but there's a tremendous amount of charisma and style that is happening around the movie and you come in with these baits in relationships with so many of the actors and not just Matt and Ben but like Tiana Taylor is now like a movie star in our heads right so when she shows up she's given nothing to do in this movie but even though she's not giving anything to do you're kind of like oh oh yeah see what's Taylor something must be about to happen here excuse me that's not true she counts over and over yeah let's just take two very well-known actors Natalie and San Diego Moreno you know like Adam you had more nominee I think from where you were a full grace and just like put them in a room and they count money and that's what they'll do for the entire film but still it kind of keeps your it keeps the energy of the movie up by having all these overqualified people and you know Carnahan I think can really shoot the hell out of the movie and there's some there's a chase sequence in this movie there's some shoot-up sequences there's a fire sequence there's some stuff in it that is really well executed plus Matt and Ben their relationship in this movie is very similar to their relationship in air and I find that fascinating except they've inverted the roles in air Ben was in charge and Matt worked for him and Matt needed to make something happen and this movie Matt is in charge and Ben works for him and he doesn't quite trust him in the same way it's interesting to me I also find it fascinating that they've kind of settled into this like Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet in these movies to my eyes you know like I he's a bigger star yeah but it's interesting that Affleck is just kind of like cool with being psychic yeah and even thriving I think like Lassadwool is really when the possibilities of him taking the supporting role and going for it opened up and you know and they were co-writers on that with Nicole Hallesenter so maybe he's come to an understanding of of what he can do yeah or he's just going back to Chuckie I think that's part of it and I think the fact that Ben Affleck is so tall and so lantern jawed but never could quite become the same level of stars Damon he's a huge star it's a you know it's a tight racer but you know when we talk about the box office category for the draft Damon's just got more to pull from he's just had more and bigger hits he had a bigger franchise and born all by himself I think he's had fewer smaller dry dry runs too that's true yes fewer fewer struggles over time and so yeah I think that might be part of it is just selling the movie is probably easier if Damon is in that chieftain role that he is in this movie um the plot itself I still I'm not totally sure I grasp all of it happy to help you okay yeah let's go spoilers so this film is available on Netflix you don't want this you know popcorn Saturday night experience ruined for you skip ahead yes don't DM me I wouldn't say the reason to watch it is to figure out the plot per se but so it's not there there is like there's a consequential scene when they're all together and it's it's like which one and the script is baiting like is affleck the is it Damon is it these other you know who is the rat right there they're clear and that wasn't confusing to me at all the final execution of the story it's more like the setup of the story is a little bit confusing it opens with um the murder of a team member for these Miami police officers and then it kind of series of interrogations around who may have been responsible for that murder and the feds have come into the investigation sky acting as a legendary action star plays an FBI agent and also Ben Affleck's brother yes and they have very intense exchange this is up there with Al Pacino throwing Henry Rollins the Restreaming of Ben Affleck going toe to toe with Scott yeah I really enjoyed that scene but sets us up for kind of figuring out that there's like um there's distrust within the police department here and nester carbanell is taking on I guess he's like the police captain the major and he wants them to get to the bottom of this Matt Damon's character subsequently gets a tip that there's a stash house and that they need to do crime stop or tip and so that he wrangles the team before he wrangles the team he tells them all different numbers for how much is in the stash house and while you're watching it you immediately know okay yeah this is a setup of some kind who's responsible for the setup we don't know why is Damon sharing different information with different police officers he's trying to draw someone out obviously and they go to the stash house and here's the thing that I didn't totally grasp right why is that neighborhood empty that they go to the cartel owns all the books they want all the buildings and they're using those buildings to store money uh I think that they just it's the indication is that those are cartel owned homes and that no one there's not a lot of activity there there may be people in those houses like lookouts and stuff okay but that and that cul-de-sac it's all I think that was really the major thing that I couldn't figure out what are they using this entire city cul-de-sac for I think for pickups and drop-offs and stuff okay yeah just the place where they can do business and also and then they also it's implied that they own those local cops right so that it's it's a business district got it okay interesting so it's just kind of like the food court for the cartel yeah I think actually one of the cool things about something that happens I believe it well I think one of the neat things is like Miami not dissimilar Los Angeles is you throw a blanket over Miami but then there's lots of little counties within and there's like Broward and Dayton and there's like different law enforcement agencies running different parts of the city but the city is itself pretty porous so those guys cross into like they know as soon as they go to highly like we're on somebody else's turf so this district go for Gore or Bush in 2000 I think that they were a bellwether district for Bush and so then I don't know because the cartel very helpful in this movie uh I had some questions for that too so I heard these with information as well doing facetime hey it's me I'm on this little cartel you had mentioned what happened to that guy I think it was just like not the guy on the phone the other guy I don't know okay I don't know he just kind of some loose ends yeah film just don't go in looking for the air tightest plot yeah so essentially they get into the house and they discover that there's a tremendous amount of money there's a woman also in that home played by Sasha kaya last seen as super girl yes in the flash that's part of the flash and now there's another super girl moving on I'm like why is she not just super girl right she's awesome she's really good um and lifts another nothing part with a tremendous amount of presence and she becomes this kind of counterweight to Damon's character where she has information but we don't know how much information she has and she's also presenting a false front she's sort of protecting what's inside of this house her grandmother's house and it's weird because like it's a single location movie in a lot of ways it should have just been a salt on precinct 13 right like I really like this so I'm not I'm nit picking at something I liked this kind of movie should have been James badge Dale and pick another actor and Scott Atkins those are really really tell who's good and who's bad and it's got basically one location and they're trapped in this house who was going to come get them first the cops of the cartel how do they get out and instead it kind of expands to like a larger Miami chase yeah it's what happens when a B movie gets a stars and I'm not opposed to that I really like it they're the 80s and 90s were full of movies like this black rain internal fairs they've all been on the rewatchables there's a long history of it I think it's really fun when you get this kind of thing it is slight you know you get to the end of it and you're like cool yeah the reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning so obvious why is this actor in the movie well and we've never already done this with another straight to Netflix action comedy starring two of my favorite people Jamie um he had Jamie Foxx and a camera yes right so it's like back in action yes come on we got a we got a we got a we got a chance but that's okay and also you know to your point about the the plot not being bulletproof I don't really understand how it all got got totally pulled off or what even his plan was but that's what Kyle Chandler's yeah um I think the idea was that they were gonna probably wind up killing everybody so now taking the money and it's even you know it was gonna facilitate that nice job taking two america's boyfriends and making them the heavies I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about this film in particular but the artist equity movies that they've been making over the last couple years in general and the way that these guys are servicing their public image with these movies rather than challenging that public image because there's another version of this movie not necessarily the one I want that's a lot more 70s and maybe one of Matt and Ben are the bad guys and that would be pretty interesting to watch the two with them face off in that regard and agree this is much more of a testament to their chemistry and friendship than it is about like what if they were adversaries well I will say the movie works because I believe it was possible that they were going to face off yes they did pull that punch at the end of the movie but I was I was excited by the idea of chucky and will having a show yeah me too but the film ends with this sort of like these are the last two yeah the last college minutes to from nefflix 26 but like rather than sitting on a beach just like watching and you guys also aren't at that beach like I can tell you that the shot of the sunset is very we're just we're just we're in this in christ I was talking to chris about this this morning we're in this extremely vivid post heat generation of movies where everyone now who loves movies from the highest art house to the lowest dingy degree crime tv is obsessed with heat everybody is like heat and obviously chris and bill have done tremendous work in supporting that let me see you know we've all seen heat is fucking amazing it's a five star classic everyone agrees and now they can't help but get the heat out into the world like this movie doesn't have to have anything to do with heat but the sitting on the beach looking out of the water is the most Michael man should of all time yes but the most Michael man should of all time would be one guy makes it to the water that's true that would have been the one way to pivot you can't do heat without having to make some hard decisions but this is a movie about brotherhood it's not and it's not just got I can submit afflict but then afflict in that damon and you know it's a fun movie yes it is i had great time for a movie on Netflix in January it's in a plus yes so shutout whoever did it know that you could train us out of basset hound that's uh looking for money and it's we're coming in all those different sizes and coms and i did it i did it but i mean i mean they did also like there was a moment where you didn't think Wilbur was gonna make it and i was very i was struck out about that so i was connected to Wilbur uh like a dialogue like a lot of good cop talk Ben is just really good at movies like this he's really really comfortable in a in a bee movie that's got a lot of crime it like obviously he made the town he knows how to be what his energy is damon was interesting yeah i think he's got a tough part because he has to withhold a lot of information and he's kind of the mechanic of a scheme but when they first when they first get to Sasha kai is house and they first start interrogating her and going through that like damon has like a 25 minute run where he's basically like slightly bad guy version of the martian guy and he's like here's how we're gonna do this and eat all your phones i need you to go over here i need you to go over there and you're like what's happening man and he is conducting the orchestra in that sense like he is just really he is really able to control the center of a movie on like very very few other actors and also when he goes out on the street stevenan and you're like i don't know what's going to happen here when they are when they are fainting towards him being departed matt damon you're like mmm like i could see this yes so it's a great point that's that's a really effective thing because you don't know which direction is gonna go and to your point about like internet boyfriend stevenan is just such a gen like a genial likable movie presence that you could never think that he would be the one responsible even though it's pretty clear from the way the story's playing out that he's doing something wrong i have a question for you so you know i've had some facial hair for the last six months yes i did they all and like they all have it yeah like this is it's kind of an epidemic i'm watching a movie i'm looking at matt damon's facial hair and he's letting it gray you know and i thought he was like either on his way oh maybe that's possible the odyssey or coming off the odyssey if you look at any movie starring a guy 45 plus now this is kind of acceptable yes and i'm wondering but i'm wondering what even inside of me was like you should let that happen and i feel like a lot of the stars now are very comfortably just kind of looking at like half manicured half haggard facial hair look yes what do you make of it what's it about i have to say i do not understand men and their beards like and i don't it seems like a real hassle it seems it it seems uncomfortable i don't it doesn't not for me it doesn't i mean that's great but it's it's not if i were a man i wouldn't wear one it's not my preferred aesthetic i think it's nicer when you eat yourself though what do you know what it is this is what i'm saying i get so it's i think it's not demon he himself like what do you guys i think it's not even himself like you guys i think he's like a cops i don't know like he's not going to shape it's not going to shape it's not going to shape the jawline you know as they as you age things get you know much looser and people are really very into the he's never been thinner he says so but that doesn't i mean it got him down to 165 yeah but that doesn't mean that everything is still like tight you know and you get like the jowls you know it was heavy face look at i um i don't i can't think i immediately have another example but in a lot of movies this year you know like also the butler has facial hair you know when you rapidly lose a lot of weight then the skin is looser oh wow yeah any yeah anywhere don't don't go losing a lot of weight right now yeah i mean i'll just never never have a child because once it like it stretches out and then it goes away and that you can't get that back but you can help it if you can help it do not get pregnant um let's also be covering a plastic surgery just gonna throw that in on the last i don't think that's true i don't think that's true but that's like another one demon specifically has never given me the vibe that he's had worked out doesn't seem like are you surprised that this is these are the kinds of movies these guys i like it a lot it makes me feel like it's the 90s and those guys love the 90s they're they're linch pins of the 90s and even a movie like air just feels from a different time and the fact that they saw it out that script and wanted to make that script i think it's great you know i don't know where it fits into the hierarchy of hollywood obviously like i believe in their mission of having the money kind of streamed down to all the people who worked on the project and that's very cool and there's been a lot of writing a lot of interviews with them about that in the times in deadline you can read those interviews so i very much believe in that um that structure that they're building the kinds of movies that they're making are real tweeners yes and i don't know if you can actually functionally make a business out of this without streamers and they've been using streamers yes to buttress this business this movie in particular is unusual because they got netflix to pay them in success as opposed to pay them a flat fee right that's fascinating that they were able to do that bill bajari had to go into the near times and talk about how we did it here but we're not doing it again you know our model is our model but we did it because it's man-man effectively but that's an indication that they because of their force personality and success they can bend the system i think the next one is also for netflix that's animal which is the kind of high and low style kidnapping drama that would have been at like plays like a mayoral candidate i don't think that that movie got the money in success i'm just saying you're right like they're they're essentially using streamers as drive and movie theaters or something and i when this first started and they first started talking about doing this company there's another version of this where it's like we just want to make sure Andrew Dominic has 60 million dollars right and all the time he needs to make assassination of Jesse James again or whatever and instead they're like now like we kind of know how to make this kind of movie really well and we're gonna crank them out a little bit in between matt being in no one movies and band maybe prepping like a directorial effort i mean i think he directed animals that's right yeah and i think he's also like attached to like the witness for the prosecution we make that we're talking about doing so in any case oh he's so perfect for that for the time room power part oh man that would be great i just think it's a really fascinating kind of idea just to be like what people want from us is instigators with the rip animals rather than good will hunting but middle-aged or it might just be because they're saleable because they're 75 million dollar movies and not 200 million dollar movies you know the other thing too is like in 1997 joe karnahan would never struggle to get a movie made because he'd already made a few movies that were really good and he would be able to make movies till he was 75 years old his last two movies are cop shop and game over or boss level which are like streaming movies effectively you know they're not bad cop shops kind of entertaining the jar butler movie but you know if you made the gray you'd be able to make movies for a long time and so i do think that they're doing something with kind of like they're trying to rebuild the middle class and i respect that and they're also they're like reading the market effectively they are smart guys you know there's like the viral clip of daman being like what happened to hollywood is the devi business went away and then they so i do think that they just saw okay there are no middles and there are streamers that will pay for it at this mount and what most of the streamers are missing is like quality of any kind so we can do it a little bit better and they'll pay more for it so who knows if it'll be a model that works in five years but there's that it's a really good point and i feel like the the netflix quality conversation is often oriented around the fact that it's either like the film is either roma or the irish men or the worst movie ever made like there's just no there is there's so few b or b plus movies that they've made over the years for whatever reason yes it's like you either use the virgin river set or you've made you've made roma it's just it's a very strange thing and you know that's obviously being dramatic and it's not there are tons of b movies that they made that i enjoy watching but that is the reputation that the studio has and so this kind of begins to reshape that a bit so it's beneficial i was looking at somebody put together like a sort of panel of like all these straight-to-prime video action movies that are often like like it's like dave patista and jason mamua and it's like two guys who are actually long separated brothers but also the greatest choice in the bottom of the winch action era yeah i hope i hope i hope we're turning somewhere we're getting into like a really good point this is another movie that's not it's not super ironic or jokie or there's not a lot of one-liners like the conversations are like the way that cops talk each other not like turning to the audience like argyle you know um okay should we draft yes yeah sure you made some interesting choices well i have a couple of questions for you about what i put because what i tried to do is mirror our george clunian brad pit draft in a way in terms of the categories but that might not be as effective or it might make the game more interesting before we do that i mean is there anything you want to say about dame and afleck what they mean to the movies obviously there they are spiritual guides for you amanda yeah and as you said they're 90s guys they came up in the 90s as we were starting to log on to movies they've talked a lot about how both good will hunting and their oscar speech were points to me being like i'm paying attention now they're people who seem to like the same things like i like about movies but they're younger and they have a um like an interest in old hollywood but you know they're smarter but they like to have fun so but i do think they're also really interesting case studies because they did come up together and they're like two actors who experienced a lot of fame and success very early on and then what are the choices you make and what do you do with that and you know i think some of those choices were made for them uh by by the media or by the interest and i'm of course talking about ben afleck but you know damein goes like the pure director's root and figures out like a non-superhero franchise afleck goes to michael bayland then goes to jennifer lopez land then starts directing you know like the ups and downs and where they are and they haven't i think that like traditional narrative would be like oh damein you know easily outstripped him and maybe in terms of quality of films yes but like they've been up and down you know throughout the 30 years so it's just an interesting like business school study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime i think matt damein has like one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now i got into a fight with bill about versus matt damein when we were talking about f1 um it was just an argument about like who's a bigger star and i was like i actually think matt damein has more bigger movies in a way um i think right there's more famous but yes uh but it's for similar reasons i agree with everything the man to send and i'll just highlight i find their current uh iteration of like how they're relating to the world and the business to be basically like this really cool extension of almost like the character that william goldman and have and have its adventures in the screen trade where they're both really charming articulate guardians of of movie making their ambassadors and so whether you're watching damein on konin or damein talking michael b jordan recently about all the technical aspects of playing smoke and stack or you know uh affleck talking to fincher about mank you know and affleck explaining cameras to jennifer lopez it's just like yeah listen to affleck interview josh safft about marty supreme yeah and it's like on the criteria in closet yeah exactly and so uh affleck picking uh medicine society over boys in the hood yeah like they're just really they love movies they know movies they really understand movies and they love talking about movies so it makes their external personas just kind of more interesting than like george clinton you know like george clinton is a good star and he's made some really good movies it's been a rough 20 years george glinton honestly but he's just not as interesting he's more interesting talking about the world than he is talking about hollywood in films and he doesn't have that same like synaphilic thing that he's like i also don't think i i don't know i i wouldn't actually want to disparage him by saying this but like i was gonna say something along the lines of like i think george clinton stopped challenging himself by working with directors that might push him in different directions whereas i think matt damein does that pretty routinely and also plays around a lot with like the role he has in interstellar is quite quite dangerous for a guy who's like i am the hero totally agree i don't want anybody to ever doubt that yeah like i am the good guy in this movie yes which is part of why that's in my opinion the most effective part of that movie is the most surprising thing in the movie um yeah i mean i'm a big fan there's i think they both have fascinating taste i think the way that you described it is dead on however afflict does also have a best picture winner on his belt as a filmmaker so they they're kind of neck and neck in this perverse way if you wanted to put them against each other somehow and i think they're also their friendship i find very charming you know the fact that they like stuck it out and have not been broken by what is genuinely a nasty business where people are trying to pit you against each other all the time um the fact that they have each other's backs and they built this company and the aftermath of their success is very cool and affleck was the only celebrity who got to visit the set of the odyssey wow that's cool it was like pretty much according to him it was like a pretty and then he got to show up just just bad you weren't invited after all that free work you did all that elbow grease on blood on everything i mean i didn't know i mean i'm sure you'll get your premiere invite any day do you think so yeah you think chris will call me personally um okay well let's talk about the categories before we said the draft order okay so as you don't like the categories no i just said that they were different now okay as with cloney pit here's what we did we did blockbuster $100 million more at the box office oster nominee mat and ben together directed or produced by supporting role and wild card now the one question i have for you guys is oster and so it doesn't have to be in their name or is it a movie that they were in i think that we can do it but we have to respect it no i i don't even think that you can do it without breaking it yeah but if you just have to be like if somebody picks one of these movies in another category then that takes one of like that's right yeah yeah yeah yeah so we could extend this category to mean any movie that they were in that was nominated for an academy award which is something that we do in other drafts and write a year draft or we could say this is a movie that only has six potential candidates then let's widen it so that we can get more movies in it i'm fine with that okay i don't you know we don't do that work so it'll be on the fly i didn't either so we're doing it together that's okay um you were afraid and you were going to lobby for us i know you so well it's fucking insane how well i know you as i was doing this last night i was like i know what's the hour's gonna say it's gonna be like this category is too tough it's gonna fuck up the game i need me to widen it so that i can take interstellar here or whatever i didn't have interstellar in my top five for oscars and kind yeah you're gonna read your top five right now i feel like the drafts i feel great about them aren't they excuse for us to just just chew the fat they are you know they are how do you feel about them you've done quite a few these days i look forward to seeing christopher ryan you know that's nice you never see my side you know that they're going to keep him in los angeles for an extended period of time so it's really nice you know what i will also say is that i do we have a smaller table now um and i thought a lot about how now i like i can like push you and use the roller truck i know and i watched the video back just to see that you actually did like sail slightly which i really which i really enjoyed so i like that element of it now in 2026 i like them too okay good i have a lot of ideas but i'm not we're not stopping okay because i thought for a second you were like we're sundowning us now we got two weeks off and i came up with a lot of stuff i'm pretty excited um okay um okay where do your best ideas strike you like what time of day where are you and you're like no we got to do the uh as you know i have a very annoying schedule where when i'm not recording i have nine zooms planned and so if i can get a day yeah with no meetings i can come up with a lot of shit but but so you're in front of the laptop it's not just like walking around you're not at the playground it's either that a furiously mess um you know what no it's uh boobishish slash right yeah god well the problem that i have i'm glad you asked this but i'm not i'm no longer glad i asked it whenever there's dead time like when i'm driving for example i had a long drive yesterday drove all the way to cauldron all the way back oh you did end up going i did we did go see crime 101 um and it was a long drive there a long drive back and i just listened to pods the whole time so i'm not actively thinking about anything i'm listening and i feel a lot of like that's not what that is like in modern life the inputs never off you know it's very true and i'm very susceptible to additional inputs wherever i can find them as opposed to just sitting quietly with my thoughts yeah um but when focused on the show yeah it's not that hard okay i'm doing the show i do i'm doing the show i do too i was just wondering if there's a place where inspiration strikes you know you were on a plane recently was wondering if plane shawn got activated yeah that's a very powerful force yeah i know don't unleash that force was that a good flight for you to new work um productive the way home yeah it was very yeah i heard a lot from you on the way home did you yeah i was like sorry it is saturday morning and i am in charge of two two children two second i was gonna do this i wish you guys would be cool if you got her a pager and you would be like star 911 you probably back immediately i have a draft idea call me back immediately go see primate um okay how's troy kotzer in primate it's just the funniest damn thing i've ever seen academy award winning actor recently seen in black rabbit with jason okay this is the first time i've seen him since kota um and the film went because he's deaf the film cuts out sound whenever he appears there's one moment in particular where there's a violent uh ape uh encounter yeah happening in the other room he can't hear it and he's just like to do like cleaning up his vision um his performance is fine okay he he is on the sending end of one of the dumbest text exchanges in movie history which i encourage people to check out when they see it where he's corresponding with a veterinarian um we actually know a dna specialist around veterinary science okay where he's uh questioning their expertise i don't think that you're watching enough new romantic comedies to weigh in on the dumbest text exchange that's probably true in sematic history but you can do this like asterisk you know animal attack division i i take your people we meet on vacation and raise you a primate i'll say for achievement in text messaging on screen you derive a raise excellent okay i was i'll be texting and then they do like score sazie push-up shots you know let's do it let's cut back to um wednesday night i got home i had to go pick up my credit card somewhere walk walk in the house a long story walk in the house i lean as could you close out a bar i'll tell you right now what happened i left my credit card in the bar in new york when i was in new york because man who doesn't go bar anymore every seven years you do something really fucking stupid really stupid fortunately i was there with david simpson griffin hoomin and griffin just so happened to be coming to los angeles so he picked up the credit card brought it to me i went at him on wednesday very nice thank you for having me and i came home i came home and i lean as watching he did rivalry and i walked in and i said she was on episode three and she paused it and the first thing she said to me was chris likes this and then she went on to tell me about the extraordinary amount of gay sex in the tv i haven't seen it i haven't seen it i'm down for anybody once again after it i'm gonna try it this weekend people listening to this i'll have already hopefully tried it post Martin Luther king you'll have to pay the same uh i think i hope i lean enjoy it she seemed to be doing it yeah i haven't checked it out let's just get the draft order from jack jack matt and ben you in sure i always want to come back and check on this okay your fucking meds hat back there and your glib smile you know i this morning i put on a david right shay stadium edition jersey and my girlfriend looked at me and she said they just signed a player jack like just relax so i took it off just wearing the hat you know what it is here's what happened it's also like if you had to get dressed last night you would have lit everything on fire instead like that is very true it's just the ups and downs i think i didn't even want him but the thing is that this we spent this whole off season feeling like they don't care about us they're trying to reset they're gonna play the kids this is a slap in the face they like players we love walk you would not do this deal if you weren't going for it it would make no sense so they showed us that they're going for it and i appreciate it but like didn't they lose the guy they really needed so aren't they only half going for it uh well i don't think that i read that so they offered 50 million a year and then he ultimately signed for 60 million a year doesn't see well they offered 60 for the first two years they offered 55 average annual yeah he doesn't have 20 extra million i don't think that's really what it was it was like cotltecker just wants to be able be a free not cotltecker boa shat wants to be able to be a free agent again she's a great cotter well he also wants to be able to be a free agent again because he has the two and three opt-outs there were opt-outs also in the meds deal and the meds were paying a bigger signing bonus and there were no deferrals so it was a better deal for to sign with the meds that was just like oh what cotter's like i'm i'm a coward and i want to sign with the dodgers i want to win because i'm a coward that's really what that's about so fuck him okay we don't need him we don't need him as the dodgers are listening to be shawn is also available to them fuck i don't give a shit what are we like i'm caping for the dodgers because we live in LA no shit no they're gonna ruin the sport uh okay what's the order chris first shawn second amanda third okay kind of got fucked here but what are you gonna do is there in your mind a clear number one uh well especially if we'd kept the oscar nominations in the traditionalist way an answer would be yes and i will actually in honor of that philosophy do the same thing i would have done anyway i mean it's a good one doing okay i do feel that this is the number one yeah of course um this is the fourth consecutive time you've got the number one over all pick no it's not no it's not and i didn't this is definitely the second time in a row that i'm on the turn at a time when it matters next time this happens if i'm first and somebody else has a turn i'll take the turn i love the turn i feel like you had first in new york did i think so yeah die hard dv3 yeah yeah yeah yeah that was if anything showed the the discrepancy the disconnect between the liberal elites and the real people listening to the show is that it was you guys being like dior with a vengeance you fucking crazy so you're all the people were like so the insinuation there is that two liberally post the show and get all regular people listen to the show how could that possibly be well i mean i just don't think they have enough options you know yeah that is also something i leave once that we're just like why is no one competing with your podcast it's obviously not true she just doesn't know the entire landscape movie podcasting good well hunting like that film yeah love it we did uh we watch most for it uh embossed live with her solo and bill a lot of fun great or solo story about bunker hula college yes that's right um and um yeah it was this is this is this is where it all began same well actually where it all began and it's always delightful to hear their stories about these guys going out for dead poet society these guys going out for different movies like coming up and so they were trying to get into to films before this and obviously wrote themselves into hollywood history where are you on the William bolman conspiracy theories i don't believe it i i think at this point it's probably like goldman and ryaner both had some suggestions and they followed yeah i mean i agree i think i'll just say i'll take the cia plot out of this or whatever it's a good idea it's still strange to me though that there's not another movie that's just the two of them that they wrote that is like a character drama like we that that is something that we do need in hollywood is guys and women obviously but these two guys specifically doing we need something we need something they're allowed to if they want to um i wish they would write another movie it was it doesn't have to be good while hunting to hunting season you know it needs to be something else but i would like to do it was last school nikal house on her script that they also wrote on or was it their secret they had the opposite right come in and they had her come in and brought her in for her perspective element yeah and it was the better for it do you feel that you're a woke movie watcher oh my god in what sense but are you thinking about what's the diversity of this story telling no i'm just thinking about whether it's true it feels true it feels true not if it's a true story yeah what about you you have a pick um i'm gonna go with director to produce by and take the town i mean that's what i would have done to you so i mean that's the best movie this is how i got fucked that they that they have director or produce um there's good there's plenty of good movies of that category i know but i wanted one of those two and you don't think executive producer counts right i did this is not no it's got to be you got to have a hand in actually the lindeurs want you to open the door it's just this movie fucking rips we also showed the town when we were in boston for our watchables at the coolish corner and uh we stay did we save a whole movie we saved a lot of it i don't know because i rewatched it the other night and i was like oh i'll be fine and then they do the second the like north boston the the nuns yeah and i was like okay well i'll just like watch this and then i'll turn it off and then you know and just like keeps going and then it's like they're starting fenway and it's like well i can't it's very involving even after a hundred times it's very involving posillates fergie uh late breaking rewatchables character oh he's coming in this year he's making some appearances and what did he do to his mother uh he gave her little taste um yeah i love his dark daddy that chemical way this category might actually be a little harder than then you know so this is why i put it here yeah the sounds great i think it's other movies that he's directed are good except for live by night which i think is very strange and we can talk about that if it ends up getting picked at all but that's the only movie of theirs really that i've only watched one time yes um but yeah i love the town so easy pick there okay davins we got two picks yeah i do okay so i mean i i would have picked good one hunting one in the town too and it opens up a little bit here there obviously a lot of movies that we all love that are eligible here so i guess i'll just go with um in blockbuster i'll take on girl uh which is still the single best movie made about ben aflic um and and there have been many at this point he is a an interesting concept to investigate the town in many ways could be seen as a movie about ben aflic trying to understand parts of himself uh but great movie we uh screened it as a part of the friends of the fest at the american cinema tech and that was really really fun played so beautifully everyone laughed exactly where you should yes so i'll do that in blockbuster because we used to be a country where gongrel directed by a david fincher was a blockbuster was a blackbuster didn't make a 350 yeah i was just saying did you see the photo of adventures of cliff booth where the clapboard photo and it says teleplay by quinton turtino that that was what does that mean it will feel more like a tv movie then i'm fine with that okay okay and then we know quinton loves the 70s tv movie because we've opened up oscar nominee i can indirect or produced by take man tester vibacy yes which is uh matt dm and produced that absolutely devastating kennephonergan movie about new england it's not it's outside boston right outside of uh and not being able to get past your mistakes uh which you know in this case i don't know whether it's not possible to but most movies try to sign that off for it to give you hope so it will greatest what if of matt dame's career yeah it's if you had taken this part taking the case kc off like part you know i think we got the best version of the movie personally and it seems like it was i mean he's the one who put kc off for it right and that's part of it yeah i think they worked it for a long time and it was like if we're gonna if we do this like i'm busy for the next three and a half years and so i will step aside and if you if i step aside i won't case you play the park a and unusually funny episode of the rewatchables about this movie that is perhaps the saddest film i know i tend um i love that movie great pick okay i've got another pick there's a tough one because i don't know where you're gonna go and so i need to account for what you're gonna get on the turn how do i be strategic and just get something i really want right now at the right time or do i just follow my heart and say come with me like for example i don't care about Jason borin i'm on the record about that like those movies don't really do it for me so i don't need to but i do do it for you yeah i don't i don't dislike them but i'm not a subscriber to the colt but isn't your favorite the one with renter i really really love it i think my favorite is uh supremacy the second one yeah mmm although huge fomp of pootent i was gonna say yeah i'll i'll it's okay take your time tough you picked your first i took the town and the record is right all right and i guess you can only get so many here right you can only take so many away from me so i'll just take what i think is the best entrant in this category which is mat and ben together in dogma yeah they're amazing in this movie which was like kind of lost to time i interviewed kevin smith on the pod last year i asked two questions he spoke for one hour um god bless him for he told great stories the movie has since been reissued on 4k i looked at it last night it looks great okay mat and ben play fallen angels in this movie they're awesome in this way they have this is you'll laugh because it's a kevin smith movie some of ben aflex best acting ever is the conference room scene the best they've ever been together no parking garage that's oh yeah it's good that's good with them going back and forth about the nature of god and order in a kevin smith movie is legitimately exciting to me um i've always had a really soft spot in my heart as a as a fallen angel of sorts as well a lap scat like um and i really appreciate that kevin smith after making a bunch of dick joke movies attempts to do something like this this is also something i think is missing from the movies right now even though it's a little clunky at times but i just think they're really really special together and all these other movies i think are not bad that they're in together i like them yeah but this feels to me like they're essence in the 90s yeah it is also the most you of that i'm following my heart yeah so this is an interesting place where the categories wind up dictating the choices a little bit more than my personal taste but be that as it may i'll go uh mat and ben together and take the last duel okay um there's not that many of them left i i think in the long test of time it blast all eclipse the rip although i probably have more fun watching the rip sure well i just i mean neither subject matter is uplifting yeah but i would say that the rip has more fun except for that i like it was having a great time in the last one yeah i think the last was quite good a little bit overlooked because of the period in which it was released and also the amount of movies really scott was putting out of that movie year for rip i think so yeah and so it kind of got a little push aside but it is also a tough set in the way the movie concludes it's quite serious um but i think the movies are good yeah uh so i'll do that and i will do argo for directed or produced by it yeah and argo uh it's just a very well made it's like moneyball to me if you can distract yourself from its truthfulness it is like a very well made genre film um it's kind of excuse me so you when you watch moneyball you're holding its truthfulness against it no i just think it's worth noting that okay they had an excellent pitching step that comes up zero times i'm very very rob elby's bar right now is what i'm learning i i worship moneyball yeah right now it's that erk chav is megal tahada barry zito mark maulter and who was and tim hudson were are not mentioned it's just these guys won the division by having scott hatterberg walk yes just that's all that happened and then he hit the home run at the really important moment okay and the sound cuts out so it's awesome it's awesome you know can you not be romantic about baseball so argo even though it sounds like it's argo rules argo rules argo really seamless departure from tarrón for those guys yes it makes it seem like they're being chased yo but it just an accidentally well made movie and also like the hollywood stuff argo is so great so happy arkin and good mentor fantastic in the movie um yeah another he just to he had the last two on argo so now i've got a pick this is just feel i'm going off screen nominee the martian just because there are vanishingly few acting nominations for our our figures here right but we opened it up i know but i i feel better about picking the martian here because damein is the absolute center of the movie he's phenomenal in this movie it's also a hugely nominated movie two four six seven nominations zero wins for the martian shamed me is supporting not in this no supporting its screenplay production design sound editing and sound mixing and visual effects along with picture what a crazy cast this movie ad really good um i like this movie a lot i think i think this is the perhaps the best use of damein's talents in a film in terms of his ability to sell it's a very defeat it's a very intelligent right overcoming struggle like he really uses all of his show host his talk show guest persona yes put into a giant block yes um obviously a lot of credit to the novel and the story and the framework that he but he slides right into it beautifully speaking of really Scott to release got moved on the board already uh okay davans you got to yeah i'm gonna take the other side of matt damein in oscar nominee and it is he was not nominated for an actor a best actor for this but he should have been so i feel comfortable putting the talent in this ripply in this space yeah um which is my favorite matt damein performance and it is it is everything that the martian is not and it comes very soon after good well hunting and he plays against his charisma and his um confidence and is just like a really messed up weirdo and i just couldn't love this movie more uh so you also screen this movie the american sine i did a trend is on yes for friends of the fest so also my other two things in this category with martian arkand which guys already took so talented i'm like i could have found something that was all the googling that i did so now i have matt and ben together supporting role and wild card left i have a cute idea for matt and ben together so i think i can guess what that is and i think that yeah and i don't think that you guys are gonna take it anywhere else so you're gonna wait so i'm gonna wait oh and i think i can go into supporting role you sure you don't want me to just take school ties and wild card right now because i'll do it oh it's not that it's not that it's not that great it's a different one but you know um let's see but so i think now i just got to go with what i want in supporting role even though i think you guys would go for the most obvious one but i'm gonna be cute and true to my heart and supporting role as well and take ocean swelves oh wow which you know it's an ensemble film yeah and no that's 13 this is no i i wasn't in forewedding so he is more of the star of 12 yes but it's an ensemble listen okay i like i know what you're saying what lienus does get his moment he gets the most lienus in the most lienus in the most part of 12 yeah because it comes day to jones and it's like danny hannah get over to rest and lienus like does come into his own as a part of the end yeah and then he and that's that's he's set them up for 13 yeah but it's you see the star 13 i gotta rewatch 13 i think if you have to pick a star it he would be 13 yeah but so i'd choose him in uh in ocean 12 which uh is just an absolutely wonderful movie and really and does embody uh like where i adam sandler and i could just pay for everyone like everyone i love to be in a fun movie together like i would i would pick ocean swelp and i pick all those people and i pick those locations and you know i'd learn some parkour and it would be a great time is it south of france monica where's captain's agent living where's the night fox where the night fox is in the south of the france yeah so that's south of france but i i think they do the heist and roe i think that's where the egg is gonna be i just like no no no it's in idly because they filmed it like not at clune at clune's cumma place but like near my albert finney is at the end right uh no i think he is somewhere else on a different island can i make a request yeah will you guys refer to me as the night fox or if you can do the dancing through the laser please i will call you the night fox i think i need to stretch a little more to be able to figure that out how about this what if you just refer to me as the night fox not in my presence like the night fox either that's great do you know what time night fox is uh so there's that too where did you yeah that's because i did it sounds miserably okay so i'm up i'm going to walk us around taking the departed oh okay which i are you upset no yeah but you did yeah like you just you held that reaction a little bit longer no i was thinking i was i actually when you said the departed i was like kicking myself for not talking about the departed during the rip oh because i was like this movie went up being more like the end of the department yeah well i didn't mention the math even of it all but you're right that it fades away from the that demon yeah that demon can you call me rat i'm not a rat i'm not a matt demon not nominated for an academy award in this film despite shocking some of his best work obviously was also terrific in this movie this movie won best picture but didn't really get like all of those hoesander's that you usually expect for a movie like this and that it makes them the marty win feel even more like a makeup win or something because like this we didn't get nine wins even though i think it has pretty clearly lived on it's the 20th anniversary of the department this year and i wonder if we'll re re re re part no we've re re re re part it we've re re re part it we've part it needs a re re-re part yeah um i could pop out this movie i did it's fabulous and super weird as you pointed out over the years the way that it's made where it just feels like like pre-torn jeans the movie you know it's just kind of like messy and burnt on the edges and the editing style is kind of insane to tell more about your concepts of pre-torn jeans i'm just talking with jack fisk and he told me all about it so sure oh he's distressing the jeans well he explained how they age things on set but you don't mean like but that's very different from the fake distress that you're walking into at urban out there i have to listen to the interview to learn how natural does it yeah no he's doing it with rat i really don't know what this point i don't think i don't think all my clothes i don't know ragan mone is selling distressed jeans at the silhouettes that chon is looking for i don't know perhaps what what number three right in the middle there you're gonna try and get sponsored by ragan mone it hurt do you do you do you like a distressed jean ever are you wearing new deans or are you exclusively vented at this point i buy Levi's 502 made in japan okay but vintage were in four new made yeah i'm taking a little bit of a little bit of a look out there okay so i get them from japan okay but no one fly to japan to get them i should though the dollar is stronger is it selfish like what are we talking about here yeah but they're not distressing yes so weird the flyer by fly okay oh interesting is that wrong no i just you know i think that makes him less of a man i uh i i i prefer a straight button fly these days i'm only doing vintage also okay boring button fly as well uh blockbusters a loaded category that departed was at the top of my list a lot of contenders here have you taken blockbusters yeah okay so you have places to go you have another pick no you have two picks now in blackbuster i'll take armageddon wow which is kind of the first good thing i wanted to you know uh wait waited a little bit for ben i don't think i'm gonna pick another afflex starring film or afflex fountain movie um armageddon also blockbuster you know these guys are pretty popular people so a lot of different kinds of movies are blockbusters for them but armageddon is the capital b blockbuster i was seriously considering this in wild card in order to expand to my bed and palette oh yeah so it's that's the funny thing about this i don't know what my final is gonna represent your actual life or fashion yeah it's i to me swerve now then the analyst is 80 20 matte to me 70 30 matte it's so it's tough because ben directed three really good movies yeah and one i think one truly great drafted and then two movies i like a lot so that does it does balance the scales a little bit but it's just i think being an oceans born and the only movie is just like pretty overwhelming yeah um but yeah i know that borns in here and a lot of stuff but armageddon to me is when i close my eyes and think of a summer blockbuster it's like when he sings living on a jet plan are you kidding me can stay or like are you kidding my my 15 year old heart just absolutely shattered what are you doing why did you drag me? because i'm a gun girl which is still the single best movie about ben af like i stand by my choice and also i believe in a world where that movie is eligible for blockbuster okay so that's that's pre-nephine spincher so whatever but it's yeah it's powerful i'm just backing him up okay cool i like armageddon too uh i was mean about the jeans so you know to you to the zip fly i'm sorry there's nothing wrong with the zipper fly yeah what's wrong with it what'd you get into it what would you do with your whole chest what's up with zip flies well i will actually tell you that post uh caring to children the zipper fly provides like a structural support that's like helpful to me okay yeah there's a button fly yeah the button fly yeah sorry um so that's uh i don't get into that you know i'm racing on an earthquake zone which is literally yes like i'm like you're you're like making a joke but like this is what i'm dealing with every day right this you know do you feel that as though you may topple over at any moment um not anymore in that way okay uh virtually and that's where i'm of course support you know sure you should look into that because i'm lifting stuff all day and as are you i'm not lifting stuff right that's what i'm saying and you're back is suffering and i'm you know i'm doing my little workout and i'm wearing my butt and fly jeans as a brace i think this is not something i give a lot of thoughts on you can't get this on any of your life so my wife asks me why is no one can't compete yeah i can't get a conversation about button fly versus zip fly this is one of one content i do have some jeans that are button fly but yeah when i put jeans on it's not like what i mean it's just it's also like the the vintage five ones or button fly and then the five oh five or zipper which i was like trying for a while but they don't really hold their structure go be i don't i don't look good in five ones that's okay no have you tried on enough i think so yeah well it's we should go to american right let's do another gene shopping it's incredible this is incredible content that's good youtube content you will not find that on my room it's just right um okay see are you got another thing i'm gonna take born supremacy in wild card good wasn't on my board this is probably the sort of like the peak of the green grass iteration of these movies i'm not a big Jason born fan the third one is good but two is the one that features the huge twist in the beginning plus the russia car chase so cool yeah and matt damon is really good as Jason born uh did you see the lost bus with paul green grass you're looking at me like no you can never see me because i was just thinking that i almost put paul green grass is new movie up on the auction where it's about peasant rebellion in the 14th century yes and that looks sick that's all the uprising yeah stars uh andrew carfield and jamey bell i'm very excited about that movie yeah love both those guys uh it's actually produced by blum house i did not see lost bus i know it's for focus right there on my apple tv but i didn't see it was not a big fan green grass i really like generally and i think his postborn output is a little underrated have you ever what was the tom hanks news about me yeah well sure but news of the world is what i was talking about which is pretty good i mean he definitely just goes around town reading the news to people but like you know that's how we got our information and it's absolutely right uh okay so you got two there what do you have left what do you have left support girl i have supporting world left two and i'll be taking days in confused just to get my ben numbers up yeah um obanion legendary piece of shit uh afflek has done this part a few times i also moved this in mall rats last night as shannon what's this way of describing uh al sex in that uh i can have sex with something in the marketplace and they're like like in the back of on done uh very deranged movie i watched the movie last night i watched the extended cut you guys familiar with this it's two hours a minute okay there's like a whole 15 minutes at the beginning of the movie that sets up michael roger's character as like the you know the guy who's gonna talk about the game show yeah and there's lots of clear forlani and jason london stuff at the beginning of it like i didn't know existed they like really sliced and diced this movie and served it up to us which you know is a favorite of ours and we watch as teenagers and it's extremely stupid though jason lee possibly the single best performance of the night he's jason lee mall rats he's the funniest person who's ever lived i don't know what the hell happened that dude um these are confused though perfect film five star classic nice introduction for afleck who is a very i think a very recognizable insecure bully i i remember older kids in my high school that were like this guy overcompensating and extremely mean to small children so uh him getting the paint dumped on him i can't shit love this movie okay amanda so what do you have left oh i my last two uh i have mat and been together and i have wild guard so mat and been together uh mat and been famously uh had cameos in the family scene at field of dreams and field of dreams so i'll be taking field of dreams sneaky yeah see there i know that's what happens when you get the third pick you got to be creative it is eligible that's a great call field of dreams just an absolutely uh amazing cosner performance i also this has nothing to do with mat and ben but was re-watching scenes of truth or dare in order to get ready for the moment and remember when kevin cozner meets madonna in truth or dare very funny what does he say to her he's like pretty neat that's like how i react to eating mushrooms in small places i suppose he anyway i didn't get the fenway uh raid from the heist from the town but i got field of dreams and then i have wild guard which could go a few different ways uh it like so i was going to do arm i got four to cut up my bed and obviously gummy be gone is still on the table you know at one point i had uh the accountant to an indirect or produce produced by as like a back pocket situation tough which i mean it's tough it's a bit rough who directed the accountant to direct it to the accountant remember the team of hackers at the the school oh my god you're old yeah yeah it was like account to havoc and what was the third one that we did together this is basically the same washer the amateur the amateur yeah oh yeah i really wish the amateur were better just needed a different lead it did yeah uh but but ponandra carfield in me in there that would be good yeah so i could do my aflock but you i guess and you already did born supremacy so what would even should i do uh i don't really think i want to do Shakespeare in love even though i do like that movie and he's good in it well you're in wild card right now why not there uh yeah um back of the meds and anything she started i don't believe so okay okay so there's no time limit on when they can it's not like all the guys will be gone over the weekend probably time moving on baseball you know it's not like there's not a deadline no this is some people have been asking for this sport because this has been a really elongated off season but it's because i was all these guys you know hostage for a while he does there's still some big players still unsigned i feel like losing ranger i mean i liked him i was a baby god not a baby god yeah good pick well well ranger swars on the meds so i respect my aflock it's awesome i'm really i'm also like a mad again back in the news you know good point so it's very upsetting yeah i try to get able to do it as i get to upsetting it's really really upsetting every last night and i was like oh yeah it's a great it's funny here though yeah yeah i've been there the co-cousin i think also not to not to spoil 20 not to spoil bone temple and hereditary so i guess fast forward but um hereditary ten years old well you never know with people on this show it's just like absolutely if they had one other movie podcast that wasn't you maybe they could talk on the dozens of people so people being lit on fire i just like done bug me at all i just think it's kind of cool there i am on that that's my tissue into the halloween movies because i feel like mikow miners is frequently being lit on fire and then five minutes later is like yeah it's so interesting you should say that because i was talking to fibi last night about different things on the pit that gross us out versus sure it doesn't and she's really not into anything with skin oh yes skin is upsetting but i want to know which phone tell me i don't want to see them after they've been lit on fire yeah but like when they burst into flames i'm just like i'm like a power of fire almost all i need you to get four fingers in there and lift that up eat me the american for me the s power of fire uh i got maybe gone is a very upsetting i have a revisit it doesn't allow i'll like just see it again i like this movie a lot um the board really just played it completely in my favor i got everything i wanted i'm gonna get what i want to wild card something we have about probably i'm gonna get wild just like i've been stymied quite a bit in drafts recently so you're gonna pick up in hammer here no i'm gonna get to grounders which is oh sure one of my favorite movies of all time okay and um some of the best aiming you'll ever see and i think one of his great star parts star turns as a kind of classical to your point earlier about how to kind of use like emissaries of hollywood who stand for a certain kind of thing the part in rounders as constructed is something that you know all new men could have played that any great star from the 50s 60s 70s or 80s could have played and dame to fit set so comfortably i love that movie i've talked about it incessantly over the last whatever years i've been podcasting feeling good about it uh so i have one my last pick then yes supporting role sitting private ryan uh there's a ton of really good matt dame and worked out there that i could shout out for supporting role from one of his breakthroughs and courage under fire to his appearance in uh jay part two um but i i don't know sudden move more of it like a cameo but incredible cameo um but yeah i will go with sipping private ryan just watched like uh very delightful i think he was talking to i can't remember who he was talking to but dame and telling an anecdote about spielberg like doing two takes and moving on and being like just trust me like i know how to make a movie uh he's interesting in this movie just because i think when i watched it i wasn't like that guy's gonna be in my life for the next 35 years as a major movie star yeah like he's supposed to be a little bit annoying in this film they're supposed to have a genius aspect of the screenwriting is to make him kind of an ingrate and to be you know ungrateful for the journey that these men have gone on exactly so uh but a fantastic performance in a five star all-time room movie a lot of really good bend supporting parts that are a little bit lost to time like boiler room boiler rooms one right it's a great that's kind of an extended cameo hollywood land where he plays george reaver and played superman he's really that's sort of kicked off his comeback after the series of missus he had the box office i was really funny in extract she was in like judge movie star in jason bateman but i got a liquid extract company um an after plays his buddy he's so funny and that would be tender bar he's almost in the tender bar yeah um he's very funny and air very effective as film night i was just watching it was on cable the right state of play oh yeah where he plays very fast and you know much for the british adaptation of that which i think you put me on to yeah um i was one of my first like there's tv over there and and you can get it on like bittorin and it's amazing i remember you definitely not that i used to get to it for there however day is what you not not that i used a torrenting sites you did you said you did pambong you don't don't come at me don't at me you mentioned your in love also a good bend supporting part um interstellar undrafted yeah but christen do it yeah i mean i i adore interstellar uh i thought i was taking a blockbuster is opinheim or a supporting part yes i had it on the list of the nominated for supporting actor no no no you should have probably yeah it's the most important thing in history of the world um true grit also a recent vok yeah i do a beef yeah i love true grit uh for beef for our is it like a f- like should have been in a columbro's movie does at some point maybe we don't find him funny yeah i do thank you very funny but he's funny in a different way than dorjalini is funny like the the unknowing or the the true dumb humor that they do is with pit too but an afflex not like dumb funny yeah yeah you can see him trying to do that specifically in jane sauna bob strike back and jane sauna bob reboot yes doesn't work out as well he's a smart ass that's that's the plus uh do you guys think about drafting promised land i i had it noted that that was one of uh jus van zan's promise land that was an early version of matt daman producer actor right now co-written by jon krissey you know jerry jerry that's a leading role he edited that movie too right matt daman edited jerry i think south dad let jack take a play off and we cut an episode of the victory together i'll do a lot of vo yeah that sounds that sounds fucking awesome you just want to have more time off yeah i would legitimately like to see uh what else any other honorable mentions that we didn't get to i didn't do born identity because he did born supremacy more identity is my favorite uh europe seems nice yep the informant yeah love him love matt daman the informant that was my backup for wild card and find the kind of a la rah yes he's great in behind very funny about the camera really who's your favorite matt daman director actor partnership like who do you love him with the most the fun question is guy be so good right yeah it is over no one i mean but that's just that's numbers you know that's not oceans because i the the informant he's really good in but i prefer daman to either be like evil you know treading on like like really messed up or like a good guy yeah well he's had seven movies with so to work inform it candelabra three three oceans he's in uh no side effects for one scene oh yeah he's an on scene yep um no it's the inside effects are on scene maybe it's on scene i'm no then there's one other big one that i'm forgetting right now jay jay that was the other i think he's in nine sort of work movies i love it yeah that's i mean so it's got to be far away sort of work that's pretty it's pretty great mire of that one score cz two no ones or three i guess just interstellar and odd and now i'm not necessarily right he's got four uh kevin's with films right mall rats chasing amy uh dogma jane's on top strike back jane's on top reboot it's five those and then two guys and stance right jerry and good will plus something else he's briefly in finding forster as a came out yeah african has not that african has got he doesn't i think probably because he thinks he's the guy his guy is himself his guy sadly was zach snider he was the bomb in phantoms though as you may recall he yeah who is this guy john frankenheimer and reindeer games yeah john woo john woo and paycheck yeah i mean it's it's bang it's we i guess so yeah it's pro harbor and its arm again that's his dude i mean jik jonal's doing aflec in ambules very true very true ben walks of jay could run i like that jayken in i didn't know that he's always running yeah she's been run for public office do whatever he wants i'm not running he's like i just managed your art is equity he's like he's making sure the pens are there okay now we're thinking they're still saying anymore i have a one final question right this um it's not nice i'm gonna ask yeah beard dye for ben or oh is he using beard i mean obviously is using it yeah that's okay that's okay that's normal i think he's just whatever she's makes him happy and stay i'm not shaming i'm i'm asking so you're you're going silver and you have like it's a nice color which is nice but so you're not dying your hair no i'm not saying i won't but like i might do so dying your hair either to cover grays or just like it's like it's just very normal so i don't understand how the beard is any different i think i'm a 35 year old man with jet black facial hair right i think the beard also like i think when you dye your beard it looks weirdly less authentic than when you dye your hair yeah i mean it does seem like the beard diers and groomers are not kind of doing like the layering yeah that they're paying doing in the hair and we're not kind of like layering the approach do you think ben is zip fly or button fly oh he's a fly those jeans are too skinny you know i would i would work with him on that personally you're just you're captured by the fashion industry you're like you're concerned for what is on trend relative to ben flex physique no i think they are like actually too skinny where he looks it's like a proportions issue because he's broader and then they go yeah and then they go like and he's like really sticking like i think they're is like stretch in the jeans you know sure and i i don't think we need to go quite a so i think i think we could do it's slim is fine slim street we don't need to be like a wide leg thing i'm not on that but they are we don't need any stretch jeans do you have stretch in your jeans john is it good right now no there's three there i can't you know tug on them as you did i just touched them i just wanted to connect to camera brother but gentle shoulder yeah this is a okay this is an acrylic material there i top that i'm wearing you look like you're like um gonna direct traffic but in in i like it's a nice color on you thanks i got in england england that's what comes from japan um parents other tariffs in england as well there are uh well that was an interesting draft you guys what about it yeah i thought it was very congenial there's no like how fucking did you i took you took on girl and piece of shit can we recap the team i'm sad that i didn't get the town especially you know that's as soon as the draft order was i was like well i'm looking at that's one of the most important pieces in cinema okay see are you two shows first so what did you get i got uh in blockbuster i took armageddon in oscar nominee i took google hunting in matin ben together i grabbed last dual in directed or produced by argo in supporting role i took saving private ryan and wild card i took the board and supremacy in blockbuster urban yes in blockbuster i got the departed in oscar nominee i got the martian in matin ben together i got dogma directed or produced by i took the town supporting role i took phased and confused and wild card i took arounders in blockbuster i took gongirl in oscar nominee the talented mr rippley in matin ben together field of dreams indirect or produced by manchester by the sea and supporting role oceans 12 and in wild card gone baby gone we get draft so next time you hear from us we will be here seven a.m for the academy award to be united it's seven now it's seven now it's seven thirty we can do seven if you want six a.m are you guys doing them like a live reaction i'm just recording we always do pretty early in the morning because they're announced at five thirty something because of once upon a time you watched morning what's the biggest shock that you could see happening shock yeah f one best picture or somebody getting left out none of all those permutations are so feel very possible something like leo not being nominated would be shocking you know something like that where you're like someone who we had in or like like a bjordin you know somebody here like i'm pretty sure this is happening right being left out and there usually is one thing where i'm still here made best picture last year and i was like what right and then that got us all gassed on secret agent because we're just like brazil brazil right brazil will rain supreme forever right um i don't know what about for you anything that you would be really shocking i think that if what he said about the actors and i guess i wouldn't be shocked if emistone gets in but you know if there's like a huge buggonia wave i'll be like oh interesting i didn't see this coming i think we've been talking you know there might be four international uh features in best picture there might be one you know so i i think i'll be like very surprised if it was just an accident gets completely locked out which it sort of was in the last wave of gilden it's like yeah and that would be not surprising but you'd be like oh that's not a good look it's an amazing film and it's incredibly germane historical moment so yeah it's it's always interesting when it's something being weaker than you thought rather than stronger than you thought it's always more harder to predict because of this because i think you're i think if it's for international nominees we're gonna be like we don't have to worry as much about the precursors as we use to because they don't really mean a lot relative to what the academy is now we'll talk all that on thursday morning ciara thank you so much three trussos in a row yeah you smoked off three i don't know what i'm coming back though i want you want to be back um let's see what happens to that i heart thing you guys get back to me all right i think it was a work to do in march so um no i'm sure i'll be back at the point of my idea my idea was to do an oscar snubs draft okay that's a great one yeah so that could be is that how are you defining snubs just not not nominated or not winning okay it's open i mean they're not winning what else it would be there could be you were nominated if it's in win or they could be you didn't get nominated i mean you could have different categories right yeah i yeah i well we could say just this is just in the two thousands okay this is just in the 90s it's just in the 90s there's a lot of permutations to do i'm doing best picture winner draft yeah but but it was polite they've been polite yeah we may add some special guests as well to make it a little bit more okay i'm gonna prime one-on-one oh yeah yeah i think garbage crime is coming back okay that's exciting um i think it's important to talk about it things important to talk about heat and uh it's important to talk about it's a little disgusting and we will we will let it stand yeah we need to get more hours on the board if he can talk uh thanks to jack sanders for his work on this episode for jack we killed it this week dude a lot of recordings how are you feeling top of the world next week no recordings monday through wednesday i'm fucking pumped i'm pumped too have a great martin through king day we'll see you soon