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Hi, guys back. I was going to say that, you know, I was going to say that people, many people have been saying that we've been missing something over the last couple of weeks. Clicking the way that you stood, and it's really because we lost the production magic of Chaim Ikmeland, but she is back from her vacation. So we welcome her.
We thank her for coming back. It's a third heat. Remember the 30 rock pilot? That's a third heat.
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We'll be back on Monday night with our Solid recap. I hope everybody enjoyed our Peter Gould interview. That was real thrill for us to talk to him. And if you haven't had a chance to check that out, I highly recommend any Breaking Bad Better Call saw fans, as long as you caught up with Better Call Saul and, you know, Breaking Bad as well.
Check it out. So we're really excited to see where a better call Saul goes from here. A bunch of new shows coming up in the next couple of weeks. We've got industry coming back.
I wanted to start the mailbag with a message from Chris from Philadelphia. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey. Long time listener.
Andy, this fucking house in the dragon trailer looks sick. Why or N? Oh, big why? Yeah.
Big why. And no question why, right? First of all, whoever the person is at HBO at the trailer house who works on House of the Dragon, who is like, you know what would be dope is if we repurposed the Velvet Underground's Venus and FERS as a dirge for succession in Westeros, that person needs a raise. Well, isn't it the same person that's just like came up with Westworld's shit, which is just like, what if Radiohead but slower?
Yeah, but I thought it was like really cool how they even did the percussion for the three chest thumps when everybody's bow into my guy Damon played by Matt Smith. So well, this brings up two things. So I guess my question for you, Chris, you know, as a longtime, longtime Westerosi. Are you just back?
Like, are you just like, did it prickle all the old nerve endings? Or is there something unique about this new show at this particular moment that is sparking you? Well, I thought it looked great, first of all, like, you know, I think that you and I have chatted a couple of times over the Thor, Love and Thunder conversation, we kind of concerned troll the Lord of the Rings trailer previous to the most recent one. I think when we'd seen like kind of like some of the postcard, like some of the posters for the show, we'd be like, ah, this just looks like Game of Thrones.
And it's the Sepatronic factor, right? It's the fact that they got the Galles Sepatronic to direct at least the pilot. I'm sure multiple episodes, but also to oversee the visual kind of tone of the show. And I it's something that I didn't know I was missing so much.
And I think that there's like a feeling to that trailer where you're just like, it's not even about going back to the world or going back to the, you know, to the scenario of dragons being real and struggling for what looks to be a very uncomfortable chair. It's really the storytelling style. And is that the most mid 40s take ever to be like Iron Throne, Lax Lumbar support? I mean, it's not just Lax Lumbar support.
It sticks things into your skin. That's true. That's also a problem. I just I'm really, I'm really thrilled for this.
I'm really thrilled for like a bracingly adult, like Cutthroat probably literally show like this. And I can't wait. I think that like they waited a long time to do this. I was reading James Edward's very long, very interesting behind the scenes, making of and sort of chronicle of the last couple of years of the franchise and how they had gone through Blood Moon and they'd been talking to this person and talking to that person about doing different takes on the show.
And that this is the one they arrived on. They went to series with it. And it's just I feel like I trust them, trust these people. I trust HBO and George RR Martin and Condal and Miss Abhajak to like, like, this is the one that we want to make.
Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at the perspective of the HBO factor, which is to say that I think it's not this is not hot take, but just if you look at the history of certainly the modern history of television, HBO has pretty inarguably the most successful development process. And of course, there, every development process is filled with the graveyard of good ideas, like RIP, no bomb box, the corrections show, like not everything works out. And there are plenty of people who've gone through that process and been frustrated that it was a tight pipeline and et cetera, but they pride themselves on the fact that like, you come in here, we will, the end result will be an HBO show. Yeah, we give you notes.
Yeah. And we build things a certain way. And that has proved maybe to be the secret sauce in an old fashioned way of the streaming wars, not just, I mean, I saw New York magazine and Vulture declared HBO Max the essential streaming service. I think that's a very strong, there's a strong case to be made that that's true.
But that's also the kind of thing that when you look back on other attempts to franchise build, whether they've been long-term successful, short-term successful, or not at all successful, that system has been lacking, right? And we're starting to see the fraying in the MCU because of that, you know, the DC story is well covered. And the jury is obviously out on Lord of the Rings, the other big show at the end of the summer because that's a new experience for everyone involved resurrecting something, but connecting it to movies, Amazon doing it, blah, blah, blah. Like the fact that HBO, here's the thing that gives me confidence.
It's not just the suppression factor. It's not just the cast because Matt Smith is just on like a decade-long heater right now. And I'm really excited that he's on the show. Our way to tag the John Snow prequel, sorry, John Snow's sequel series being announced, still strikes me as very weird.
I still think that was not intentional because it diluted this message that I'm now carrying water for, which is like they picked and chose the one. Well, it's funny that you should mention that. So I'll get into some of the questions we got from listeners. These went out over Facebook and Twitter, and thank you so much to everybody who sent the questions that we always get way more than we could possibly handle.
Maybe we should start doing these more regularly or maybe once a month or something like that. But Ernest Calderon asked, what TV show would you like to see get this all treatment, a direct continuation expansion of the world with the cast and crew returning? I think that latter part is the most important part of the crew. Does the John Snow spin off have potential to fit the bill?
So I saw a fan poster of the snow. I think it was a fan made poster of the snow series. And it does seem like at least according to a million Clark, this is actually at least in development. The crew thing is really important.
I think talking to Peter Gould, and we'd always kind of speculate and talked about this, but when you watch the Better Call Saul credits, so many of those names are people who have been working in Albuquerque for the better part of 10, 15 years, right, on these shows. And the institutional knowledge, but also the coherent aesthetic while still allowing for permutations and iterations on that aesthetic is pretty striking. I would honestly go as far as to say almost maybe a singular achievement in television is to have somebody like a new show on top of what was already considered a classic, taking some of the visual elements, taking some of the stylistic storytelling elements, and then going in all these different directions, whether it's broader comedy or absolutely haunting criminal underworld to tales. It's just I don't know how often you can do that.
If the price of admission for people's level of excitement about John Snow is betting off and Weiss, I wouldn't hold your breath. I really don't think that those guys are going to be coming back to this anytime soon. But what do you think? I think that you're right to identify the crew continuity as everything.
We will never, as laypeople or as fans, be able to appreciate what the below the line people did to keep the Albuquerque verse aloft for these 10, 15 years. I mean, that is essential. And it also is essential to the investment of those involved, right? Like even in our peer-goold interview, he talked about something that we lashed onto from the New York Times profile of Odinkirk, which is just that after years of coming to this place and knowing what it means to live in the city and your relationship, your distance from your family and what it means to be at work and blah, blah, blah.
Odinkirk was like to race, he, Horn and Patrick Fabian, like, let's get a place together. And here's the neighborhood. It should be in and we'll just have a lot of what a peer-goold was like, there's a lot of ice cream in there freezer. You know what I mean?
Like that culture, look, Chris, you're an NBA guy. Culture matters. Right? It kind of does.
It's kept the Spurs really steady over the last couple of years. It's very, very steady. Great culture though. There are limits.
I was thinking more heat culture, perhaps. Right. But you know, our favorite team, we just love those guys. Just always big supporters of South Beach Titans.
But that said, as fans, we can't really let that get in the way of what we want. And so when you, when I heard the question, like, you know, look, I always want more twin peaks. That's probably not happening. I, 12 years later, I'm still like, oh, I really like Terriers.
All of that is still true. I'm still that person. But when I heard the question, immediately, I was like, I miss Mad Men. Yeah.
I miss Mad Men. I don't think there's more story in those characters that office that decade. But I wasn't the only one to be like, can we do the Sally Draper in the 80s spin-off? You know, like, is there something else to be done?
And I, it's funny. That's my answer, just because I missed that show and having something so thoughtful and heady and insular and focused and creative and artistic. But what is the special sauce that I miss? Because it wasn't necessarily the Roman offs.
You know what I mean? No disrespect to everyone involved in that. Like, that was pure whiner. And I was like, not, they've had some major flaws.
So what is it that I'm talking about that I miss? And maybe this is just a way to circle back to the culture and crew question. Is it replaceable? And now that we know so much about how TV is made and what how ephemeral a lot of this stuff is.
Is the question dead? Because we can't get it back? Is it just really in a cell exercise? I don't know.
Like, you know, I'll be very interested to see it also depends on like how you define these things, right? Like there has been, I think it's pretty easy to kind of make the connections between we own the city and the wire and call that like almost an appendix or an update or like a news from the front of the drug war. And obviously used a lot of the same crew, but crucially, I think had a singular director working on those scripts with Ronalder Markersgreen directing the Pelicanos and Simon and team scripts. I'll be very interested to see this justified like update that they're doing.
So a lot of the same people who worked on the original justified or working on city prime evil, which at least that's the, I don't know if it's justified city prime evil, but it's based on the Elmore Leonard book, how do you know Detroit city prime people? And from all accounts, it's going to be most of what you love about justified, but also reckoning with how the world has changed since justified on the air, how relationship with gun violence, how relationship with policing and all these things have changed. I don't necessarily think it's going to be like, like about that. But I think that they couldn't do the show without kind of acknowledging that.
So I'd be really fascinated to see what they do with that character. And I think that not to put you fine. I was like what Link later does with the before movies where I would be kind interested if they just did like a Rayland show every five or seven years. And just like here's a case and here's a new Elmore Leonard adaptation, but also like what's going on in the country.
But also that was what like Prime's suspected that's what Luther did like there's a model for Sherlock. It's a British model, but I don't see why that couldn't be adopted. Absolutely. I'll ask another question, which is kind of all related, but what would be the premise for another spinoff of Breaking Bad Saul that you think could sustain five seasons and live up together series?
This is a really good, really good question. I don't want to say leave well enough alone. I don't want to say you guys did it. I don't want to say you guys landed the plane twice.
Don't take off again because I would have said that when they started better call Saul. I'll throw out some ideas. But the problem is is that we've gotten to the end of the road. I think just like father time wise with Jonathan Banks, right?
Like you can deage Jonathan Banks and we know what happens to him on Breaking Bad. Honestly, the most potential out there is either Walt Jr. Wow. Jesse, I guess.
What's he doing after the end of El Camino? I mean, what else would there be? I mean, because we kind of got a lot of this in El Camino. I have a couple.
And I should say I don't think any of these are viable because if you think from a traditional TV point of view, what is the workplace or the setting for a spinoff? And there's only two that come to mind right off of that. One is the courthouse. We've already met a couple people.
Roy Wood works there, apparently, as a prosecutor. There's some fun characters and a memorably terrible coffee machine and a whole parade of interesting and not as interesting cases and people coming through it. Told through the Gilligan-goold axis's inimitable style and sense of humor and point of view. That would be a decent procedural.
But it's essentially the same thing, right? It's like the nexus of the mundane and the almost operatically criminal and like that. We've done that. I don't think there's really more to do there.
The second nexus of the mundane and operatically criminal is the veterinarian who's also the mob doctor, which is just a great trope. Like my ears, this isn't a spoiler for better call Saul. But the other week when a character had a gunshot wound and they're like, the doctor is on his way across the border from Mexico. I'm like, give me eight episodes on that guy.
Here's the problem, Andy. Yeah. I will not stand for this erasure of the show mob doctor. Oh my God, you're right.
Don't you remember that? Your Danis Spiro, doctor. We talked about that a lot. Great show.
No, it wasn't. Great premise. I love that idea. It's still a good, I don't think it's viable anymore, thanks to the work of the very specifically titled show, specifically titled Mob Doctor.
What kind of doctor is this guy? I do like that. But I feel like, so anyway, it's all redundant. There aren't any characters with more tail to tell.
Both, I'm in a figure to leave it, maybe literally as well. There's one avenue. There's one. Baby Holly.
Baby Holly grows up. Baby Holly's legacy of ashes. So, baby Holly, well off, right? You say not so very liquid.
I, I, baby Holly, hey, we snuck out, goes to college. Mom, Skyler can pay for college. There's an issue with the bursar's office that checked it and clear what's the story? Why does my family have money?
I have to unravel this. She ends up going on a desperately quest south of the border to find out the origins of the blood money that put her in a position to become what is she going to be? She's a scientist, right? She's going to do something good for the world.
Are we pinching this? I kind of like mob student. I want to keep her in college. I want it to be like a campus, a campus comedy.
Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Well, what better place to sell meth than school?
That's great during finals week. I do think that it's interesting. Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan had worked on the X-Files in the same way that a lot of the great shows of that era came from people who had worked in the trenches of the previous era of TV and were chafing against limitations of it. Weiner had that experience.
David Chase is the definition of that. And so, what's interesting and maybe key to these show's successes is that within the Breaking Bad Better Call structure is a CBS procedural. Jonathan Banks as the equalizer, right? That would be the best show if he just wasn't necessarily tied to Gus and was just this methodical older guy with a bat pass who got shit done.
And we would all watch that show, but what they did, so brilliantly, they folded a less interesting, serious procedural into the larger tapestry of this more engaging and gripping show. It's hard to take the threads out. I mean, obviously, it enormously helped Saul to have this connective tissue to Breaking Bad. And now, as we get closer and closer, I don't even know what might happen in the last few episodes of Better Call Saul that might suggest that there's more story to tell.
We don't really know. But the thing that I admire the most about Saul is the fact that Breaking Bad was this, I mean, obviously, it was a family drama, but it was also about the drug world. There is elements of that in Better Call Saul, but it's essentially a legal drama, as well as relationship and character study. I wouldn't put it past the Gould-Gilligan access to think of another type of genre of show that they wanted to set in that world and figure out some way to connect it.
So while we're talking about sequels and prequels and spinoffs, I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who asked me specifically about Heat 2. Obviously, we are monitoring the situation. So Dan Devine, our buddy from the Ringer asked, how much of the New York Times Michael Mann profile will you be getting tattooed on your flesh? And will it be a cohesive, unified design or more of a scattered memento situation?
Dan, that's a great question. And I have already contacted somebody about getting Find Me a Psychotic Kitchen Share, which is something that Michael Mann said on the set of Manhunter, to set designer. I'll get me getting that across my throat. Can I say, we are having a look, it's the age of man.
It's a man of sorts. Yeah. Finally, man's back. It's been a rough years for man, but I think we're making a comeback.
You have been in the room with the guy. You've spoken to him. I have been an admirer from a distance. And to be clear, for people who aren't following it, there is a new novel being published, Heat 2, right?
Corritain by Man and Meg Gardner. And to be doing the rest of the world. To the events of Heat. So it's apparently like a 500 page book that goes into Neil and Vincent Chris's backgrounds, childhoods, young lives.
So I learned something this week that is pretty basic, which is, I listened to, you love it when I talk about other podcasts, but I did listen to Michael Mann on Marin this week. And I haven't really been a fan of Michael Mann. I think I've seen all of his movies or close to all of his movies. I haven't seen what's Black Hat, is that the other one?
Black Hat's the hacker one. Yeah, I gave that one a mess. But for some reason, I never made the obvious connection that he, of course, despite being the tough guy, swaggering Chicago guy, known for these very hyper, in some ways masculine films, is just a theatre kit at heart, even though he would never admit it. And the way, the loving way he talked about doing the months of research for less of the Moikins, or the insane level of back.
He was just like, Marin was like, these characters from Heat, they must have lived with you for 35 years. And he's just like, they've lived with me my whole life. Basically, I know everything about Neil McCauley. I know what he has for breakfast.
And of course he is. That's what makes the movies good. It's not because he's some sort of like virtuoso in the edit day or whatever, or he like challenges Pichino to like go to Zag when he wants to zig. It's he's an artist.
Like, and that seems like such a soft, soft response to man. But I found that very endearing. And of course, it made sense. In the piece that Jonah wrote in the Times, one of the secondaries is Daniel Day-Lewis.
He talks about like, how close he is. They're close friends. And he talks about the the Trapper School that he went to in Alabama. And it's just like, yeah, right.
That's where he builds these movies that seem so stylish and they are so stylish and they're so well realized. But the reason why they're well realized is the foundation of, you know, for some altitude and like the research that he puts into it so that he knows why somebody has, finding a psychotic kitchen chair line is because he knows what furniture he wants to be in each person's room because he's like, this person shows that furniture. In a sense, furniture is character. Everything is character.
Everything is about what everything else is about. Let's talk a little bit about, gosh, we don't want to go here. So we got some really good ones. We had some responses to our top 10 lists, uniformly positive, no disagreements with either of our lists.
Everybody's saying that we got all the good shows in there and none of the guys. That's the vibe I got. Yeah. All right.
Mary Page Bailey asks, what's the best single performance from a 2022 show that didn't make your first half top 10? The best performance? Yeah. A standout performance that didn't occur.
For me, it's because I'm still living in the horror place I was at the end of our top 10. Oh, remember, winning time? Yeah. Quincy Isaiah is Magic Johnson on winning time.
I mean, you could go down the list of that show. I mean, I loved the show mainly because of the performances, but I just feel like a relative unknown being asked to play one of the most famous people in the world who's famous, not just for his demeanor, but for his athletic skills. And then just within 10 minutes, I'm like, yeah, that's Magic Johnson. That's a really special performance.
Yeah. I'll shout out Andrew Garfield from Underbinner Heaven, which I know we talked about the first couple of episodes of. And I felt like just really didn't really do it for me on the back half of its season. I thought that it was a really, really strong first episode of fairly good second one.
And I just felt like I didn't really I didn't really know what it was trying to do with the last year episodes. I think playing with the multiple timelines to talk for that show, but I really, really thought he was extraordinary across the board. What's another one that I really liked? I actually thought Michael Sarah was awesome on Life and Beth, the Amy Schumer show that came out on Hulu earlier in the year.
He plays basically the romantic lead of the show. Very complicated character, but it's he doesn't do a ton, Michael Sarah. And I kind of I know that his brain is not unlike Bill Hader. He's like a huge cinema fan.
It's like interesting to watch him interact with like the contemporary TV landscape or movie landscape when he shows up. But I just thought he was quite good on this. I have to do a very me thing and shout out the German actor Lars Eitinger, who's absolutely unreal. Unrove.
Very you. Well, it's a term of that. And for people who are listening to the podcast who are curious about more VEP coverage, I spoke to Olivier Asaias, the filmmaker, who here of mine, that'll air next week. So you'll get your VEP coverage.
Don't worry. Relax everyone. All the VEP heads hit me up all hours of the day. But to have it again, he's a I'm sure I well regarded and well-known German actor.
I'd never encountered him before and have Asaias be like, come on my TV show and I want your character to be the embodiment of of what's his name? Of Fassbender? Oh, okay. Yeah.
Not Michael. You know the German. Rainer. Rainer.
Yeah. The genius of New German cinema, whatever. But like, so he's a pansexual crackhead who just like brings joy and chaos wherever he goes. And it's a really great performance in a show that isn't for everyone.
But you know it was for me. Should we do some more broad kind of state of the industry questions? Because we got a couple of those ones from F Clint D'Nisco. Okay.
And he said, are we starting to actually see the different models of TV and cinema flip back to normal with big movie successes as of recent, I guess he's referring to Top Gun and Thor and a couple of other things. Obviously, Blackphone did really well as horror. And TV shows like Abbott Elementary winning being nominated for me. I think it means, is the theory of movies are just television now and TV is where real cinema happens over.
I think it's a great question. There's definitely a move towards more traditional things in both spaces in that big movies are now being once again released in theaters and reading the benefits of that longer running series. We talked about this when we were reviewing the Emmy nominations are being rewarded and I think being celebrated and appreciated. I think there's maybe a more pessimistic economics at work behind this because one of the reasons why things may be settling down is because fewer things are being greenlit and fewer chances are being taken.
There's absolutely, we're in a in two senses one good one bad we're in a bear market right now in television one the bear everybody loves it too. There are giant projects going out that are striking out. When I say going out I mean like big stars big directors big swings being shocked to networks and streamers and just just go for it like zero nobody will make them nobody wants them. And you know there's obviously some fun industry shot in Freud about that like Netflix can't afford to make X anymore or JJ Abrams belly flocked with Demi Mond and it's not going forward but we don't know the things that we're being robbed of and they may be things that could have rewritten up the paradigm or or our understanding of what each field can do.
So I think it's a worthwhile observation to track but I'm not really sure what it means yet because I think that there's a lot of ripples still to be felt. I was reading an interview with Ethan Hawke who was doing I think was indie wire and he was talking about his Paul Newman documentary with Paul Newman and Joanne Woodard documentary that he has coming out on HBO and they were asking him about moon night and he I think thought very classally sort of phrased this as I find marvel to be very actor friendly maybe not director friendly and I think that what we're probably seeing is and this will get to a question from a male that question in a second is a lot of things that might have been originally conceived or best conceived of as features that are being pushed pulled stretched into series and that is where we're kind of coming up a little short. The filmmaking aspect of it I kind of feel like there has been a which isn't to say that there isn't great filmmaking happening in television but the the dream of true detectives season one and David Fincher directing Mindhunter and Steven Soderber directing the Nick I think we're gonna get things like Barry Jenkins Underground Railroad we're gonna get great filmmaking. It depends on what you're looking for it depends on whether you feel like as like an oat tourist that one director needs to basically oversee or direct all of the episodes or not but my concern rather than the direction or the filmmaking side of television is the there used to be ideas about what would be a good 90 to 120 page screenplay and what would be a good 25 episode run of a show and I think that's a little out of whack and that goes to our next question which is from Ronald Anthony Burgess he says are there any 2022 TV shows that you think would work better as a movie and any recent movies that you think would work better as a TV show I have not seen a movie in years that I was like I wish that was a TV show now that possibly because I watched so much TV that I'm not like oh could I wish Top Gun Maverick had been 10 hours long like I really treasure my experiences at the movies I treasure the limited story I love going in and coming out I think that I don't think we have enough time to go through the amount of TV shows that I think would have worked better as a movie yeah and I think particularly to focus on look I mean I thought we would make it a whole podcast without mentioning the bear but the bear was Chris Risor had it as a movie for many years that's what he imagined it to be and then through effects development through his own thinking through his collaborator Joanna Callow it became a TV show it's so much better for it I think although it would have been a pretty cool movie I mean that's fine but I think there's a richness there that ended up in the right box for me the answer really focuses on the IP factories and you know Obi-Wan was going to be a movie and they're like no this is better here was it better here I mean I that's its own category almost because I still don't think they ever cracked why there was more story to tell or what they wanted to do with it so I don't know if it would have been a more successful movie because I still think I'm not sure what the goals were but you know like moonlight for example a show that I'll be honest with you guys I didn't finish I mean I think that's crazy that there was a Oscar Isaac Ethan Hawke TV show about a character that I'm fond of so I just haven't found the three hours to finish I I would have loved to see it be its fullest expression as something weird and comic and intense and over you know as opposed to following the same six hour beats that these shows now seem to need to do so I I think it's an interesting question one that probably deserves more thought before a full answer but the most natural place for me to focus on an answer is on these projects that really were pickums that you know were all there probably is a moonlight feature script in Feige's office yeah I mean I know this goes better here I think that's kind of in my reaction to the second half of the old man was that I wonder whether or not this would have worked better as a two hour movie obviously there were a lot of mitigating circumstances with with the old man but to me it's like a pretty decisive quality difference between the first few episodes of the second few episodes it's dramatic and it's so dramatic that I think we're both refraining from talking about it too much until maybe we finish it and see what the setup is for a second season but I was I was shocked honestly by the I don't know if it was the fourth or fifth episode where it literally just became absolutely stone-faced recitations of monologues in two different time periods right with and I was like what happened to old man with secrets on the run like that was compelling but an old one character on the run I mean look people love the tv show fugitive you know they really loved the movie like there are some things that can work in two boxes but really flower in in a certain one Aaron asks what is your most anticipated release movie or television for the remainder of 2022 I'll probably go tv I'm gonna say industry which is coming very soon so it almost feels like it's cheating to say for tv and then for movies it's I'm not a complicated guy it's Martin Scorsese's Colors of the Flower Moon I can't wait to see it I really I'm just ready for another Marty movie God Chris I don't know if I have an answer I you know I've been pouring over the release schedules I feel like you've named two things I'm psyched about I mean I'm just really on my radar yeah what's the movie I'm most excited about Asteroid City what no a bombbacks Netflix creator ring white noise dude thank you thank you for this gift yes I mean we will put a pin in that we will circle back to how and whether this is true or not one of our favorite filmmakers no bomb buck has somehow taken one of our favorite novels the kind of unfilable Don D'Aulolo classic white noise and apparently spent over a hundred fifty million hundred fifty million dollars adapting it in Ohio for the last fourteen months I I have no idea I don't know what's true in the story I don't know what matters but this is one to watch and to pay attention to Eric loose as do you and you have any favorite albums released this year oh yeah I mean yes I we had so much fun making our our mixtape for the 4th of July like it's been really fun to share and I just have I'm about to post another mix I mean making mixes again guys I'm back DJ and give me the album of the year though but the album of the year so this is the crazy thing about it I don't like the album of the years for me like it's either the push a record or an artist I love called the range made a record I also love the superchunk album but I have to be honest with you Chris like I have been thinking about this as I've been working my magic on the on the Spotify machine my consumption of music I've now caught up with like older millennials younger millennials like I don't really listen albums anymore I try you know but I just really don't I love so many songs do you skip through songs on albums identify the ones you like put them on like a master playlist I'm curious about the process well yeah like there's a singer songwriter in Carson McCone who I just I really like she has an album on merge that I think is wonderful and I like the whole album it's really good but do I listen to the whole album the way I used to when I had it on like when I walk around college campus with a disman no I listen to the three songs that I love I put them on a playlist that I love there's a there's a Canadian band called Kiwi Jr.
that's on sub-hop that has a new record coming out that I have the advanced stuff that I absolutely love but even that there's a song called Come Back Baby that's You Can Listen To Now it's you know on the mix I'm gonna post I just kind of focus on that and I really like the way it sounds with the Braxton Falcon track and Grace Ives another amazing new album that I just what's happened like it's a patience thing right like the Grace Ives album Janky Stars is a good example I listen to it and I'm like this is awesome I like every song here but I could just listen to On The Ground at times today and that's what I do and that's just changed my relationship my favorite two albums of the year are a spiritualized 2022 album everything was beautiful and drunk church hygiene so it's really good and I do listen to those as albums not because I'm special but just I just think that the spiritualized record specifically everything was beautiful like actually like most spiritualized records like feels like of a piece and so once you put it on sometimes we'll be listening to it in the house making dinner my wife will be like this is great I love this and then we get to like the five minute free jazz freak out at the end of one of the songs just like oh yeah this is why I don't like spiritualized and that is tough talking about music I have one last one here before I let you go at ease okay yeah please J Barbara asks back around 2016 or 17 at wild a pizza place in parks love my wife and I had an altercation with a guy named Chris who looked a lot like you was it wow who looked like you Chris look like me apparently it was like looked a lot like you Chris and his name is Chris and it was this I've never been to wild this wasn't me I never heard this place and also J I don't get into altercations really no you're a piece yeah I'm a really really easy going dude it's pretty hard to get my my temper up it's really true I'm trying to think what I think it's a bad mood but it would be really difficult to like get me to like fight what now I'm feel challenged I mean like a close call to plate when you were a catcher right like that yeah my younger days you know like yeah I was happy yeah I was I'm a fan of you call me out and I don't think I'm out gonna say about it I we should end up I thought you're gonna bring it up when you said there was a question from Chris I thought you're you Chris I thought you were gonna be like just broadly speaking what 40% of the questions are why aren't you guys talking about X oh yeah like I mean we can address this on another mail back we have so many questions we should say this yeah we'll do a sequel because I think that I really like obviously sometimes people are like oh how come you guys aren't talking about this or why haven't you spoken about this there's a variety of reasons sometimes it's that it's not really doing it for one or both of us sometimes simply just kind of a falling off of finishing or watching a show usually because it's not really doing it for us but like there's like it's hard to stay current with all the TV that's out there and yeah it's it's honestly it's not really the like kind of mission of the show that we do to kind of be completous it's more to be enthusiastic supporters of the shows that we really like followers of the industry that creates the comment on that and then every once in a while like try to do our best to give something a fair shot and then maybe talk about it but you know it's not I wouldn't say that's like always 100 percent why things are happening but if we're not talking about a show it's just usually because like it either didn't click for us or we're just too far behind to really like offer substantive commentary on it or a third one which is like what we do in the shadows is back yeah we talked up before where it's like comedies are tough to talk about I don't know what to say about it or like the AMC thriller Dark Winds like I checked out two episodes I like Zain McLarndon I'm happy it exists and it's gonna get renewed I feel like people love the Tony Hillman books it seems to be doing a really good job adapting them but like I didn't stick with it and so I don't have an opinion other than I was pleased that it existed and that's not that's not good podcasting you know what I mean like I don't have any negative thoughts I just have to be like I'm happy for you bro yeah slowly formative yeah I fight bro so that's I think you summed it up well like the mandate of the podcast maybe at the beginning was we would try to watch everything we just well there were two shows on back then so we could watch all the episodes of Homewood those were the days those were the days greewong let you go I know you gotta run we'll be back Monday night with better calls Saul thank you to Kaya for producing and we'll get some more of your questions later in the summer we're not gonna throw these away we promise happy have great weekend frances