Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Hailey welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia Those emails for you know I can't get on without special permission and all those really soon That's why I don't ever get on the email cuz I don't even know it's just weird yeah Yeah, because it's a g-mail so it's like you must verify and then you get the text message And then you're like my phone never said it exactly. It's okay. That's fine Screen shot it and just send it to me that'll be easier. Okay.
I'll get that out of the way Something else I need to say All right, welcome back one oh three one three and that's not the time. That's the other time. It's a 928 PM Don't worry. We're gonna make it.
We are I am caffeinated. I'm at Holly's this week. Yep, so I get to make the drive Sorry, it's fine. It's all good.
There's not a whole lot of traffic when I will leave this location. That's great. It's this location So I did a thing recently I burnt my neck with a curling iron She just went to smell burning flesh. It was just so bad.
I'm so bad I've never done that before I was super careful with like heat tools on my hair And I don't use them a lot, but it was I was going to school I was on like day two hair and I was like I gotta make it look fresh I gotta do something with this so it looks like I washed it Yeah, so I was recurling the ends of it and just laid the curling iron on my neck so I'm driving to school with a water bottle on the side of my neck like a crazy person and Get in and I'm like oh my god. I look like I have a full blend hickey on the side of my neck Whoo-hoo this hair has been busy this weekend. Yeah, but thankfully it's like back pretty far I'm like the back side of it so my hair covers it like even if I don't think about it like I just appreciate that you were Headed to the high school trying to cover your right your bird. Yeah, you're like Sure, you did you make it out in the parking lot behind a taco bell What you didn't do that no Did you not the Walmart maybe Have security cameras back when I was a teen.
Okay. No, so I was on this is day two of the burn I'd have the burn, but it's usually in a more Area yeah, go ahead. So this is day two of this burn healing and it blistered like I've never done burn this bad On my like I've burnt like I've hurt myself on like cooking and things like that and of course all that kind of thing Um, but it blistered. I had to go see this cool.
There's like can you please help me like my hickey? Burn patches like the coated gauze or whatever yeah from like 2016 like the cooling I think I felt like oh, I didn't use them because I didn't know what they were and she were at a day in like 2016 I would not care. I'd say so I put some aloe on it. Yeah, she had some of that and that helped for about 30 minutes So and now I'm in pain again.
Just in 1999 To be exact we went I was teenager We went to Florida and I like an idiot was like you know what? I'm gonna get tan I am gonna go back to school and they're gonna be like damn girl look at your tan that did not happen I got severely burned. I had second degree from my god All over my body and I had water blisters that were so large. They were the sides of my hand They were huge and it affected my joints So I can walk my face my eyes were swollen shut my face was like 10 times I mean it was horrific the burns and the pain was excruciating So anyway, I just would call my brother saying like can I pop those water blisters?
Because you know you wanted to put like the way they look so terrified of infection and all this things and I I remember we were in the pickle wiggly Parking lot which is a for those of you who don't know in Florida that is a grocery store and so My uncle took solar cane which is the stuff that you spray on my burns and I lifted up my skirt I don't worry. I had shorts on her. He comes in the parking lot in front of everybody and I lifted it up And he just sprayed the hell out of me and he I was in agony So I you know I didn't care I didn't care I didn't care who saw me. I didn't care what happened I was just in so much pain so I did go back to school and instead of having that rock and tan I was going for I was Rockin the lobster.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's pale folks Yeah, that's what I have into this day. I have freckles all over my chest and it is the memories of the summer of 1999 I just I'm I've naturally read here so I'm freckly anyway, but Yeah, this summer I have a really nice like freckle line on my nose some for some reason like right on my wrist It's been weird anyway.
Okay. So back to what you came here for you came here for us. Don't even play We are heading back to Knoxville again Like I said last time Knoxville brings it right. Yeah, I love you have a well of creepy stories and we love it.
Yes This one we're gonna talk about the story of Mary hand kiss. Okay, and I got most of my information So I put them at the top this time so I wouldn't forget most of my information came from an article from WBIR Which I think is the radio station maybe think so. Yep, and the other one is from archive. Knox news calm So it's like some old articles and things like that.
Cool. What year is the story? This is from the around takes place in the fifties Oh, okay, cool. So we're going back to Knoxville and back to the 1950s.
I love it. All right, so this story has I Never heard of the story and it's really interesting because one it's a it's unsolved Mm-hmm. It's you know a horrific case, but there's also a really interesting like political aspect to it for that time period And it's just fascinating to me. Oh, it's really cool.
So we'll get into all that. Okay, all right So Mary table her she was 23 and Frank handkins was 26 when they got married in November of 1946 So which feels kind of like like they're a little old for the 40s To get married like at least I know like my when my grandmother got married she was 18 I like that was the thing. Yeah, I mean I think it depends on on on maybe the location and people and all those things But yeah, I mean maybe it was I think now you know anybody who's like I'm getting married and I'm 23 and I'm like, oh shit You're so long like maybe wait until you're like 30 30 shows Yeah, yeah, but I like in the 40s. It's like 23 you all made right?
Thinking you should have been married five years ago. I know so I saw that and it was kind of surprising a little bit All right, so yes married in November of 1946 in 1950 the Hentkins is I guess is how you would do say the plural of that they moved into a new home They spent a lot of time sounds like it was kind of a fixer upper doing projects around the home And they were working in the yard a lot that springs They were like trials of dirt around where they were putting in probably trees and plants and clearing things and whatever which Someone he was also working on the house right now. I understand. Well, you know my house was Really work and ready, but I did a lot of work to yeah, yeah I remember seeing the like the first I guess probably a few months that you lived here every time I would come over It was like something new and actually I don't know if you noticed this time you came over But I have done several other things we'll have to point out or see if you noticed My one of my good friends says every time I come here at something different.
You have done something different. Yeah, I can't help it I love it. It's fun. It's awesome Yes, so they were doing all the products for them I was doing all the things Fred worked in construction and the two they didn't have any any kids not this time on March 31st of 1951 around 5 p.m.
It was a Saturday Fred was over in the Fountain City area getting his car repaired while Mary was at home getting dinner Ready doing dishes kind of somehow told chores kind of that kind of thing while her husband was gone someone walks into the home Shot Mary in the head down just above her left ear and walked out Okay, just as simple as that so obviously it's the 50s. She probably doesn't have a door locked She's making Dinden and someone just comes in just out of nowhere and shoots her. I must yeah There's not a whole lot more to know but it's yeah, it's really awful But more just at the beginning I do have more information for you. Okay.
Well, that's the hope So it appeared to police that Mary might have tried to fight back It looked like there was some signs of a struggle and Mary did have a scrape on her left arm She may have tried to escape as I did find some blood on the stairs that led down to kind of the basement garage area But it looks like she was found in like the front room So the like layout of all this little confusing to me But regardless shot that dead the county corner Sydney Wolfen Baker, Barker Wolfen Barker nice That's what I'm going for with determine that the bullet penetrated the top of Mary's skull and left side passed through her brain and lodged Behind her right eye. He suspected that Mary must have been shot while she was already on the ground due to kind of angle That the bullet went in maybe she was trying to run and she tripped yeah, I was like grabbed and fell or something Yes, her body was found in the front room on the floor. She could be seen through the front window of the house Oh my god Fred found her body when he arrived home and you know immediately called for ambulance This is pre-9-1-1 absolutely I could just call for you know, whatever their ambulance service was at the time Mary actually survived with the shooting the initial shooting and was but did you know later die the hospital? So probably had a little bit of right inactivity.
Was she able to speak at all? No, she wasn't able to she couldn't tell anybody anything I don't I'm sure that she never regained consciousness Well, and it's the 50s as well So they probably didn't have the some of the life-saving techniques right right and I mean that type of damage you don't usually come back from yeah So it was discovered though that Mary's watch was missing from her body It is thought that the killer might have taken it with them as a trophy or they were going there for robbery and assumed No one was there because the car wasn't there the thought is that it was probably a trophy because nothing else was taken Mmm. So I don't know if they just if she didn't have anything else a value in the house or kind of could almost play out of the Intention was robbery. They didn't think anybody was there somebody was there.
So panic panic. Oh god now. We gotta get out of here Yeah, I could have been to yeah The interesting thing though is that no neighbors heard the shot and they didn't live like super far out like they did have neighbors If there was a silencer or maybe like through a yeah below or something. Yes That's what police think because there was a used dishcloth that was found near the body So thinking it didn't say anything about like if there was a little it was anything like that.
Okay, so this leads to Not a just a crime of convenience not a just a like hey, let's go rob this house. This is very targeted. Mm-hmm So this is the 50s detectives did not best for fingerprints. There was a lot of mistakes It seems like that were made in the investigation, but Yeah, I'm just where we are.
It's the 50s The only witness statement came from the next were neighbor who stated that she saw a tall Lanky slightly stooped man dressed in a powder blue summer suit with brown hair pull up to the house in a black 1954 with Knox County tags Interesting, so it all it kind of stooped over so either he's just really tall and lanky kind of thing or maybe older Maybe has some kind of issue with a spine and then the powder blue that just takes me to the 70s That feels more like a you know in my day. It's got a powder blue tucks with ruffles Oh, it is nice The neighbor said the man knocked on the door Mary opened the door and the man walked in About 35 to 40 minutes later. Wow came back out and Drove away. However, she could not remember the exact time that the man was there so Was this the guy who killed her or was this just like a random maybe like a sales person that came by and left and then somebody else came in?
Like I mean the coincidences would be kind of crazy, but there's no way like well then okay So in a timeline this also speaks to was that someone she was having a relationship with maybe was this you know Like an affair gone bad and maybe you know they had relations I'm just throwing this out they had relations and she says you know they had their cigarette and bed and As you as one dozen of babies and you know she says listen We you know one more smoke like we can't do this anymore. My husband, you know He's he's catching on or I don't know and he says no I love you and she says you know get out and I don't know I'm here or Maybe it could have been he could have posed as a salesman. Yeah with this intention the whole time. Yeah, it's just weird Do they investigate the husband at all?
They did we'll talk about that too. Okay. Um, all right, so moving on along. I have many I don't love it.
Thank you. I don't have any answers to confirm nor deny any of them Well, that's just not helpful. I'm so sorry. All right, but first term sheriff CW or buddy Jones Stated quote.
I'm not going to bed until we crack this case Mm-hmm, and he seemed you know pretty confident that his office could find the person and bring them to justice however case my cold One lead pointed to a what they called the daytime burglar and jewelry thief known to proud Knoxville neighborhoods around this time Same was James W. Llewellin Llewellin sure he drove a dark colored Ford, but wasn't known, you know, it was like a violent guy. Yeah, it's kind of like a petty thief Yeah, Robert kind of situation The best break in the case though came in June of 1951 when a farmer and his son found a pearl handled 32 caliber pistol in a creek bed off Norse freeway I think they were down there like washing a vehicle or something and just found it like they'd been tossed or whatever Yeah, and brought it in and we're like hey, we found this gun Do it that way. Yeah, this is this is your problem now.
Yeah, um Sheriff Jones determined that the guns bullets did match the ones that Kill Mary actually I'm sure he didn't do the forensic testing that sent it off in like heavy The sheriff's in a buddy. It really does it all. Let me let me pull this gun. Don't you worry?
I'm gonna solve this guess. I got this I want to sleep buddy. What'd you get? It's a match.
I got it After checking out the gun, I guess running the numbers or however you did that in the 50s I don't really know You check that out or what system they were using. I don't know run that through a I don't know I had a book. This is what this bullet looks like. Yeah, that's what wasn't Mary's head It appeared that the gun itself was actually several decades old.
Hmm. So I know sounds like almost one from a collection or right That was used. Yeah, so there were five bullets in the cylinder there and usually there's six in the chamber Yep, so there was only five. Does that make sense?
This case brought about a lot of political fighting which I always think is fascinating Especially between the newspapers Well, and I'm sure they were in competition anyway, right? Yeah, so what was the political thing? Alright, here we are. We're diving in Let's get diving in.
So there are two like main newspapers in this town, which is kind of usually how it works in small towns Not so much in mine. We have like one like local paper for the whole county And then there's like random blogs that I think are more lean politically one way or the other So in this town though They had a Democrat leaning paper in the area called the new Sentinel and it broke the story of the gun being found and matching First on July 11th of 1951 the journal who was the Republican leaning papers I was called the journal ran a headline the next day reading Hinkins murderer free for 101 days So it's starting to kind of like they're kind of going back and forth a little bit a piece of that article from the journal said Quote the brutal killing caused fear among Knox County housewives Husbands dreaded the time when they left wives and children at home and protected the terror that not on those who thought a mad Killer was on the brow has abated but many in the fountain city section are still uneasy Cool, so I mean great writing one absolutely like I mean nice But also kind of trying almost in a way to like stir this kind of back up a little bit like it's been a while You know we want in creating additional fear. We want right like we kind of want this up in Everybody's business again. Um sheriff Jones was elected as a Democrat and was actually a former warden at one of our favorite places Brushin' out and brushin' out and pin a country So you weren't there.
I wish I thought it was really cool. I what a great connection Right you have and check out that episode. Please do it super cool So editors at the journal did not like sheriff Jones obviously because he's a Democrat Candidate or you know sheriff their Republican newspaper So obviously you're trying to Your side and like whatever right so I mean their take would probably be like he's not doing enough right he you know There's a monster out there and the sheriff's not on it right Whereas you know the other side is probably presenting like they're doing all that they can to try right and I'm sure it would be the same Thing if it was vice versa like if it's a Republican sheriff the Democratic would probably be doing it would just be Absolutely reversed. That's just kind of what it is.
It's usually how it goes usually here United States Yes, it is if you're abroad god bless you bless you and your universal health care Definitely Okay, so they did not like sheriff Jones and they coined the nickname sleepless Jones After that statement that he made not to sleep until the killer was caught sleepless enough sleepless Jones So we're just like a little bit like you know I mean he made this like you know We're not gonna rest until we get this done like we're on it and then it kind of goes back to bite you in the ass because Like it's not solved well and then you know like how are your nights going right? You know like that's it's sad. I mean political fighting like that I think it's just and both sides are super guilty of it. Oh, there's no way that's it people in it But it's just like really this is the kind of dirty jabs like that.
It's like no But this is an unsolved case you can kind of say well, I guess he's resting now Yeah, it's unsolved, but he's dead so I would assume I don't think so maybe probably yeah It's probably in his 30s Anyway So cute So Knoxville police started running their own investigation so think about it like this is the local like the sheriff's office, which is usually by County and then you have police which are like a city So it would be like you know his office would be like Knox County Sheriff's office And then you have the city police who are Knoxville city And then if there's multiple cities in your county usually each Town or city has their own it's the same thing in most even small counties So they started running their own investigation into the murder parallel to the sheriff's office And it seems like the two agencies did not always share all the information that they had which is also super common unfortunate So they really weren't working together right they were running investigation simultaneously, but not Collaborating or cooperating with each other which does no good Not at all and it's just because I mean we're all working for a common goal is to find murdered Mary take the politics out of And stop it do your job period. Yes the end done love Holly and Haley you're welcome Sheriff Jones put up about a hundred dollars of his own money for reward and remember this 50s. So that's like a thousand right? Especially you know, it's not like sheriffs were rolling and dough right so he was really like I want the and that's actually a Vulnerable position to be in in a way because it's it's saying like we need help.
We need some clues here Yeah, you know the mayor George dimster actually offer cash for clues along with famous like local broadcaster Which I don't really know anything about but apparently it was a big deal because it was an article I like that cash for clues. It's like back in 08 like cash for clumpers. I love the alliteration. Yes.
Yes All right 18 months after the murder Jones was up for reelection So that kind of makes sense why the newspapers were going at it because usually about Two years two years you start campaigning and making sure that you're ready for election and all that kind of stuff And I have my own thoughts on like a little like things sheriffs Right, so he's up for reelection Mary's mother mally table was so annoyed with the journal that she actually took out an ad in the Sentinel Which is the the Democrat paper is a signal so in support of the sheriff in August of 1952 to express her gratitude for all that Jones had done for them. So she is team sheriff Jones gave lose the election to Republican Austin Kate, which doesn't always surprise me all that much Het and solve the case. Yeah, you know that kind of thing But Kate did vow to continue working on the case, but unfortunately was also unsuccessful in finding the killer But it sounds like you know when the new sheriff took over it wasn't like okay We're just gonna forget right about this case like they did actively work it The new chair of Austin Kate took office promising to keep the case alive But the only charges ever filed in Mary Hinkins death came not from county officers, but from Knoxville's police chief who? Put an arrest warrant out after a quote secret single-handed investigation ordered by the mayor So it sounds like the sheriff's office was kind of running investigation the non-stop police are running investigation But also the mayor was kind of involved Maybe with the Knoxville police in a way or like with a section of them And no one talked to each other It's all just very weird and also seems like you know the mayor You know like he was offering Perhaps again if we're talking politically looking at things like reelection like look look public look how I'm right trying to help I know yeah, it feels weird all weird.
So what was this conviction or arrest right? So police chief at the time Joe Kimcy traveled to Aiken, South Carolina This is three years after Mary Hinkins death to arrest a Joseph B. Hegler. He was a traveling painter and magazine salesman It's a very it's just a very different thing right?
The chief basically arrests on the word of Jesse Waldrop who was a waitress who swore she wrote out with Hegler To the Hinkins home watch him talk his way inside and it's all I'm run out She said when he got back to the car. He said quote I just had to shoot a woman and I'll kill you if you ever open your mouth So no like again. Why are you there? What's the motive?
Nobody knows? Okay, and maybe there's more that just never came out about it The mayor who was a friend of Jones who had helped him campaign against Kate Kind of put the news out of the arrest to reporters before Kimcy got back with the suspect So like the mayor knew about it and this is where it gets insane because obviously the case fell apart as soon as it got to the courtroom But all they had was this rain the witness statement They had no physical evidence nothing Waldrop's description of the house didn't match and there were payroll records from Hegler's job at the time Backed up by witnesses that showed that he'd been working in North Carolina the day of the killing So there's no way it could have been him. No, so it kind of sounds like the mayor Knew this But still sit them down there to make the sheriff look bad Like it's all links we go to crazy and I may just be like I'm drawing There's a lot of red strings on my map right now like I'm drawing a lot of conclusions So this is all speculation and in theory, but that's just what it sounds like to me. I think that he You know, here's this little nut of info and before it's like innocent to prove and guilty It's like oh guilty knock knock done hands washed over.
Okay, and let's put this out to the media because What you do is you create a media circus. So this guy comes in and he's arrested and you've got the media there Right, sir, sir. Let's have a statement Was it really you did you do it? You know all these things and it's causing a hoop law and of course the mayor looks like the good guy sheriff looks like the bad guy I mean, it's just right.
I think there's two ways to look at it It's either the first way that I said of the mayor knew that this was all incorrect and bad info I just went through it and sent them down there to make the sheriff look bad when it all came out or Maybe the mayor thought hey, this sounds pretty good I've run this secret independent investigation from the sheriff's apartment So I'm gonna be the one that brings this guy back and then it's all about me and like I did pat myself in the back That's me kind of thing the sheriff's like looks like an idiot because he didn't know anything about it But in turn it just makes you look like the idiot. Yeah, because it's got it off Right, so like it didn't work either way right it didn't work So whatever and actually this woman should be arrested for you know the false witness right it's just all crazy So hecklers lawyers obviously moved to dismiss and were charged and prosecutors did not fight them on that They were like, you know, they just are bad He'd like to make a statement that said I was arrested first and then investigation was made it should have been the other way around obviously Yes So that daytime burglar luewellen keep kept popping up throughout all this you know his name kept coming up as like maybe a possible culprit to this murder His car match the description from the neighbor. He'd been known to break into people's houses in the daytime Did he have a blue suit? No powder blue.
We don't know Mashed this description. He was tall and I think so I think it was a tall guy But there again, there's no evidence to tie him to the case because of what they didn't take fingerprints So like what are you gonna do? And he died without ever, you know being charged Well, you know, it doesn't seem like it's part of his emo of murdering right and it's like it sounds like he is the same burglar probably goes in with the alert work and takes their stuff or whatever I mean even if he were to panic and kill it and kill her probably so to finish the robbery right or like it wouldn't have thought to have the Silencer right like that feels odd to me that feels way too Pre-mediting right it's just it always kind of maybe if she had the dish towel in her hand If she was doing dishes and he thought like maybe but you think I panic you wouldn't think that far ahead no and and I mean It almost could be a murder for hire. Maybe so what was the deal with the husband?
Okay? We're gonna get to that Okay, so the strange thing, you know, obviously this case is that no motive. Yeah, I've ever yet identified Fred the husband he was cleared very early on in the investigation, but still endured You know a lot of scrutiny and suspicion I can see that I think they like confirmed witnesses like that they saw him Yes, I mean he very well could have been there, but who's to say that it wasn't a for hire right right? Yeah So Fred wrote a letter to sheriff Jones that was actually published in the journal a year after Mary was murdered He stated that he had in the subject of what whisperings and rumors, but that he had always cooperated with the sheriff He'd submitted to a polygraph.
He was actually fingerprinted And he even offered to take truth serum or they call him sodium diopetal Mm-hmm was what that was it was common in them in that time to use on not usually every day's distance, but like Big time criminals take this in a just right? Um Fred eventually got remarried He took up golf and was a founding member of the Bieber Brooke country club He died in 1999 two days before his 80th birthday at the same hospital where Mary died And he was buried not near her Which is interesting, but I guess if you got remarried, oh, yeah If you get remarried and maybe he had a family with me, I would make more sense. Yeah, so and that's pretty much it That's all I have on this crazy case I see the wheels turning in your eyes Barely But when one thought I had is just listening to what happened to him after the fact You know we're going to the country club and you know golfing and remarried and all these things You know what if you've got to think in that society in that time period divorce was really frowned upon especially in the South So, you know, maybe they got into this marriage thinking hey, it's great And it turned out not to be what he wanted to be maybe it was a planned thing of listen You know, I hired this person and it was premeditated and you know what I'm gonna go out and have an alibi I'm going to get my car done. Everybody's gonna see me.
They're gonna know I'm there so it can't be me right and you know Boom this happens and you know, of course I've cooperated because I didn't do anything So then I get to go on and live my life and remarry and do things so now there's one thought in my head Please know I am not accusing him right don't call Everything speculation and I'm sure obviously what other people are thinking because it sounds like there was a lot of a lot of a lot of that going around I mean obviously it when you don't have all the details. It's easy to draw 100% So then let's look at it another way So another thing that I was thinking about is you know, perhaps her husband was very unaware of this But maybe she got mixed up with somebody because what this is premeditation So it's not like to me it could be this daytime burglar No, because there would also be forced entry to me because let's say and it's very common in the 50s She maybe either didn't drive or maybe they only had one car So if her husband was gone with the car, it would seem likely that the person would think oh there's nobody here So if a burglar was breaking in there would be some kind of force entry something of like, you know At least other things missing maybe and she heard noise and came in and it scared him And you know, whatever shot so that doesn't seem plausible the thing to me is he knew her and there was some type of anger Vendetta something you don't shoot someone like that And especially in a with a silencer that you don't want others to hear you're going there planning to hurt somebody So there was some type of relationship whether I don't know what but there was anger there and perhaps passion I don't know it's to me. It's odd that the neighbors didn't hear anything But but it was silent scream, but I hear a scream they didn't hear so against who struggle right she invited him in Yeah, I don't know and and the neighbor said she saw her let him in. Yeah, so it wasn't somebody who was trying to rob her Right somebody she knew somebody posing as a salesman or something or repair person Why would you come to repair something a part of the suit?
I don't know. I'm here to fix the sleep. I like that's strange probably salesman or something again But context is important here because in the 50s unless you were coming to like repair the sink or something You are not going to be dressed in jeans and a t-shirt. You're going to look nicer This is common men war suits So it you know, it doesn't even have to be oh It was a traveling salesman or a you know a door to door salesman It could have been just a regular old Joe somebody she knew you know I mean so we have to think about the time period as well and people were a lot more willing to just open their door I tell everyone be rude just be rude don't open the door to people if somebody knocks and I I think about this a lot because I think in the moment you would panic But one thing my mother always drilled into my head like if somebody comes to your door in the middle of the night And is banging on the door and saying like help me help me help me.
I need to you know I'm running from somebody here. I'm getting away from somebody or you know That just is whatever the case maybe do not let them in your house call 911 for them for them I just need to use your phone to climb on one. No, you call for them Do not let them in your house and you hear about these stories of like people escaping and running to neighbor's house And they didn't let them in and it was a whole thing, but that's rare I mean you've got to have a little bit self-preservation You've got to take care of yourself and you know There's a lot of things going around of like bruises that people use to get into your house and a lot of people use vulnerable looking people as For that same thing with cars or you see somebody on the side of the road asking I mean as awful as you might feel especially if they are actually you know in distress You got away your risk there exactly now if you're on a dark road by yourself And there's somebody trying to wave you down and get to the where you have cell service Sorry Haley and I just keep driving me honestly I wouldn't blame someone if they did that because it's scary. Yeah, so Fortunately, I mean I got my little gated community here and my all the surveillance on stuff So that would be really weird for someone to get through but I I have very close neighbors So any and aware well-lit street.
I mean really at the guard gate they barely let Haley in now I have to like show my idea Listen, I'm here to talk about murder. I'm here to see Holly get in there like oh god But actually I just tell them other front like if Haley comes through really I like her the last time and search dog She kind of liked it though Wow, I like your gun But so nonetheless, you know take safety precautions in scenarios like that, but this story Lead you to so many Places and this ad part is there are no forensics left There's no way to go back and try and figure this out I do wonder what happened to that gun me too, and I wonder if there were fingerprints on the gun. Yeah, like here's a thought If by chance and I mean we're talking major chance because what happens to things like that You know like does somebody just take it throw away whatever But if it just so happened to still exist could we pull fingerprints from it could we pull maybe some DNA evidence from it? Right, I don't know Mm-hmm and chances are they were handling the skin Gluebbury so that means their DNA is on it So could we even find or their prints could we even find out who this one?
I don't know I feel like there's You know you just want a conclusion I know and there's some cold cases that we talk about that seem so solvable But honestly this one doesn't to me like I really will be shocked if we ever find out what happened in this one Unfortunately, thanks for bringing the mood dinner. Well. Yeah, I'll um make sure I tell the guard on my way out that uh I left you in a real depressed state. He's like oh god not again.
Not again. Not again. Not again. He does not like that I think has to deal with me.
Yeah Yes, well the whole time. I'm going to check I'm at the shack The guard check is a little known place where we Pat down Yeah, it does not sound good listen I've had pat downs with the airport before and they're very nervous they are In fact, I was at O'Hare. This is a quick side note But I was at O'Hare in Chicago with my colleague we had attended this conference together and we were on our way back And so we were going through security and my friend goes through my colleague. She goes she's my friend She goes through and no problem.
I go through And so the FSA person comes and says ma'am I'm going to have to pat down your breast area. Do you want to step into another room? And I said nope just right here Do it right at it and so she just starts you know doing her thing and then I'll never forget She's like let me see your hands and I was like ooh key and so she starts, you know testing my hands for residue I don't want to do this machine and I was like what are you looking for? And she was like you know chemical weapons weapons and Bombs all drugs all those things that could be on your hands and like all of a sudden while she's saying this deep in my brain Like I'm thinking like all these things like oh my god, you know Why was it this really sketchy McDonald's like I have my hands on the table like what if like oh my gosh You know and as I'm in my reverie.
I hear ma'am ma'am. I'm like huh and she says you can go now ma'am I was like you don't have weapons on you like okay, and then I like step away But I will never wear sequins to the airport again. I can tell you that I The one time I had to get out of town. I was an idiot and I was going traveling to Poland I was flying into Eastern Europe And I don't remember what airport I was at because it's such a long journey to get over there And I had on a like a money belt almost like a fanny.
Oh, yeah that you talk in your pants Yeah, I like my passport and my money and all that so it's like on my body and I get I'm exhausted I'm going through security I do all the things that took my shoes off I took everything that I need to off and I put things in the bags and whatever and I stepped through the metal detector And as I stepped through I went oh shit And I just look at the TSA guy and he looks at me and I'm like where do you want me like where do you need me to go? Because I had belt on and take it off So it looks like I have something strapped to me And like we both made eye contact and he like obviously knew because it's a little those machines of like they can see everything Like he knew what it was. He's like, you said by the way change your underwear He pulled me the side and he's like I'm so sorry. I'm gonna pet you down like are you comfortable with me doing?
I'm like I honestly this man. I really don't care. You should get women. Well, I was so busy I feel like we were in Amsterdam I can't remember where we were but it was in Sanity and he's like I can get somebody else to do it He said I just have to check like underneath that belt and it was like it's just marijuana It's okay.
He's like cool and he did let me have a off And then look at it and he had to like run his hand like almost down the front of my pants It was real awkward. He felt bad about it. I felt bad about it. We both kind of apologize Randy at the shack doesn't do that unless you want him to with a backstroke I just apologize.
I'm so sorry. No, I'm so sorry Oh I was so awkward for both of us and then we could just hand it back like my bag back to me And I just walked through and it was fine, but it was a whole like I was mortified I think I was more not that like I had to be had a downer I don't think I don't think whatever but just that I was that stupid that I didn't think to take him off I'm like yeah, I can walk through security with something strapped underneath my clothing Give me like a bomb when you when you have that on for so long it like you come from your body You know I had taken it off I think on the plane or something or we were just getting I don't know like I had on me like on a bus or something I just didn't even think about it. Let's be honest the next time you come to my house. You're gonna have that on I don't know like no you will because you're like I need you to help me.
Yeah, I you know and they're I mean they're actual police like they would do that and yes Yes, they do and like you know definitely they would be willing to take you out because I pay enough money They should be right nonetheless, you know, I think Haley would be like The guard check the guard check. Oh gosh. Yeah, that was my my pat down experience And then I also somehow I never had a pat down for it, which is probably concerned I Always set off the walk through metal detectors when I worked at the Capitol This is pre insurrection I'd walk through the the big tall like mill detectors and you take everything out and walk through every single time I would set it off I think it was my I had a keycard because I was like I was able to get into certain parts of the Capitol because I was but they're on like official business or whatever and They kept on it and take it off that I could leave it on and walk through the thing and I think that's what said it all every time I mean even at some of our local governments places that we would frequent you would set it off all the time Oh, yeah, any time that I went through it, but thankfully they would like come through and like do a like a wand And they're like, oh, yeah, you're fine. Yeah, I wouldn't go off with a wand But it went off with that.
That's why I think it was my key card that I had I always made the mistake of like our local agency I would always forget because I had a swiss army knife on all the time and they were like knife and I was like Sorry about that. I'm like listen, you know, it's me. You you know who I am and they're like ma'am give me the knife Even though, you know, they're like, right. Yeah, I mean I'm glad that they do that Me too because I think I just hold it for you and you just pick it up on your way out.
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They'll Kentucky. Hey, we love you Kentucky I do I love Kentucky. It's beautiful. It's so good.
I always like I don't think about Kentucky that often I think about a lot because a lot of my stories are okay, and then whenever I have to drive through it for wherever I'm going or whatever reason I'm like, oh, I just really love Kentucky. I know So pretty is just gorgeous. Well, well Kentucky this one was for you. Yeah, and Knoxville and Knoxville Obviously everyone that you love What about you know if I ever have another child I should name it Knox.
That's cute. It's super cute I kind of like that. What did you do with a K or send? Oh, okay.
Yeah Okay, I like that. I like that. I have a very long baby name list because you know I have my one son and you know one day I would like to have another yeah So you just have a no and you never know so well boy or girl, right? But um, yeah, I've got a long list.
I like it Thank you. All right. Well, we will see you next week. Bye