THE NEW FRONTLINES 03: How do you fight a hidden, hybrid war?

Exploding pagers, attacks on underwater gas pipelines and deepfake videos - we’ve entered a terrifying new realm of hybrid warfare, where the aim is to sow discord deep within our democracies. But how do you fight a war that isn’t really a war, against an invisible enemy? We visit a centre in Finland where they are urgently trying to find the answers to that question.  Teija Tiilikainen - Director of the European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats. Elina Valtonen - Minister for Foreign Affairs of Finland RECOMMENDATIONS:Geraldine: Ezra Klein podcast with David Remnick: Israel vs. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran — and ItselfHamish: We have changed, says Indonesia’s Jemaah Islamiah leader Para Wijayanto by Amanda Hodge in The AustralianVOTE FOR US:Love the pod? Vote for us in the Australian Podcast Awards here: Voting - Australian Podcast AwardsGET IN TOUCH: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at [email protected]