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Hey, we have gathered here in our sea island off the coast of South Carolina Just kidding in our respective offices to discuss the great film from 2004 Which is about to have its 50th anniversary the notebook starring Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams I'm already emotional. I want to say that I'm just entering this with nerve endings kind of frazzled I'm ready to share. I'm sorry in advance. Um, where did everyone see a notebook for the first time?
I feel like this is important to understanding how the notebook kind of emotional impact on you I saw it. I think this was um like my first high school girlfriend was like we need to watch this movie Yes And you know at that time I think I was a freshman in high school at that time I think I rejected this movie's charms and it has taken really you didn't like it at first No, I mean, I was still in that mode of like you know, it's just not really appreciate But okay, but in in the years since it's been you know, it's been some time since then and now it's just it's a great movie It really is Amanda. Where were you vividly remember? I was in college my friend Rebecca how come showed back?
Showed up from summer break with a DVD. Oh wow. We were renting a house called the red barn That was what it's an unofficial name in town and we watched the notebook in the red barn and I wept I Was immediately affected by it I have wept every single time I've watched it since of course the notebook is based on Nicholas Sparks novel. Hmm.
Have you read that? No, I haven't I haven't either have you read any Nicholas Sparks books? I have it Which is weird because I do like an airplane an airport novelist sure. No, yes, of course I like novels that are set by the beach Which most of these are usually set kind of in like southern beach communities, right?
Because that's where he is from I'm glad you brought that up because I think that notebook and Nicholas Sparks ushered in an era of a type of like southern beach movie that a lot of them were based on Nicholas Sparks movies But after this there was of course the Miley Cyrus and Liam Hemsworth vehicle There was also see a man to say for you to Channing Tatum movie like there were a lot like the names also like don't even apply You know, it doesn't matter It's a vibe with like tall grass by the ocean and it sort of became like a new aesthetic that notebook started It was true that I think it's important to note that the two Nicholas Sparks movies before this which the notebook is the highest form Yeah, absolutely the highest example of the form and really made the Nicholas Sparks like industry what it is But please don't forget that there was a message in a bottle starring Kevin Cox are incredible and a walk to remember starring none other than Mandy Moore People were doing this and I kind of think it's important to remember that Kevin Costner was in one And I guess many more is like not as much of a source Kevin Costner was but it was at the time How dare you there is some precedent now? I feel like we associate them as kind of really weepy be list. Yes, actors trying to make their break But we're trying to take a leap. Yeah, but once upon a time real actors were in these movies.
Yeah, absolutely Yeah, and then the other ones were dear John that was Channing Tatum and animated anime and save read and then I believe The one with my life Cyrus and Liam Hamsworth was the last song I believe yeah, that's a yeah, I think so yeah I think that was it and it just it kind of started this a revival of the romance movie and like a funny way But they're all really Nicholas Sparks ones like I thought the lake house though It didn't fit into this mold was kind of similar to me when that was the standard book movie with January is really like it's like their speed revival Basically, right. Yeah, she's like traveling in time. It's similar. That's also like waterlogged in a similar way I don't know.
It's a whole new genre that comes back in the middle of last century. Yes big year for Rachel McGatams while obviously talk about her more but this movie comes out in June of 2004 about two months after Mean Girls comes out and This movie was filmed in like two thousand two two thousand three and Mean Girls was filmed in September 2003 So this was film first and came out later So in similarly Ryan Gosling like the biggest thing he'd been in when he got cast was remember the Titans like these two people were not famous Do you remember your first reach on McGatams experience was it mean girls? It must have been because I think I did see Mean Girls in theaters and I had to wait for the notebook on DVD She just went on an absolute run starting with me girls. We kind of talked about on that podcast too.
Yeah, but this is it's Mean Girls the notebook and then one in Right, yes, that's what there's a whole segment of this podcast devoted to that But that's a pretty notable stretch for her. It's kind of wild and then Brad Wenning Rogers read I which I loved with Kelly and Murphy and The family stone which is like not a great movie, but like very enjoyable the family stone We should do maybe not a rewatchables. I don't know if it is rewatchable though I've seen it many times on a plane, but what a fascinating test that is a frustrating film I think don't worry so hot that yes The parker performance is confounding reach on my gatams playing sort of against type it's kind of like an early like NPR canvas bag check Yeah, it's just a whole different look for Rachel But it's a it's a true run and then some only Ryan Gosson This is like launches him to fame and then he turns into the La La Land leading man that we know who to be like you know over 10 years later It's pretty wild and then on top of that just incredible cameos from Kevin Conley and Sorry Paul Johansson, okay Also, do you want to talk about the other like extremely famous actors that this would be like Sam Shepard Sam Shepard James Garner, Gina Rollins, Joan Allen. It's pretty amazing.
It's like a heavy-hitting pass. It really is There's just a it offers so much. I'm gonna talk about James Marson Early this is my name is Marson before his full rom-com extravaganza head looks Looked off maybe that's like some part of a conversion to HD or something like that But I thought I was head-looked at it. Okay, I just wanted to know that that's probably why I didn't work out between them Oh, should we get into the categories?
Let's do it. Okay first most rewatchable scene I mean I have a question for you guys before we go any further. Okay, can you even make a case for anything that does not include both Ryan Gosson And Richard again, like should we even address this like should it should the the scene where? Joan Allen takes Rachel McAdams to see her boyfriend that never was like even make it in the conversation my answer is no That's it.
No, I do appreciate that scene. I it's not even close. Okay. Good.
So we're all the same page here This is a no-one alley podcast. Okay. I think that what you just said about rewatchable scenes It should all be no an alley young no an alley. I do want to talk about oh no an alley at some point But like maybe not in this category.
Okay, sure great. We'll get there. Okay. Number one Rewatchable scene suggestion.
Yes is of course when they're lying in the street. Yep, and So the beginning of their relationship. There's no one in town and they almost died by getting hit by a car And it's all just very charming. Do you want to dance with me?
Yeah Can I just say so this I wrote down the first date which involves like them walking on either having the conversation ahead of time And then they lied out in traffic and then they dance and Ryan guys like hums I'll be seeing you maybe one of the more romantic scenes movie scenes of the 21st century. It really guts me every time I watch it It's astonishing Dancing is very sweet. It's really nice And he's also he is a trained dancer Please don't forget Mickey Mouse Club So he does the kind of like soft you every once in a while And then they're dancing and I mean it is kind of the purest expression of their chemistry and there is like It's the first time in the movie where you're really seeing them explore this chemistry that I think animates the movie So sure I think you don't see stuff like that I'm film that often That's what I have to say is that because of their chemistry or because of Ryan Gosling and her what do you think? I think it's both of them I think like they are really magnetic with each other and I think Rachel McAdams reactions and the way that she plays off him and that scene is really good There's like when they almost get hit by a car He's like sort of all stressed out and she's just like guffying Like in a way that like doesn't seem to fit her character But actually makes her character whole what am I gonna take away so I was rewatching this last night was that while he's obviously like so hot and magnetic Her charm is just like undeniable it jumps off the screen when you're watching it's pretty amazing Yes, and this typically these types of movies This role is like the the girl who's learning to stand out for herself and is a little lost and needs like You know some handsome guy to say for whatever your typical romantic bullshit And she's playing it really differently I mean the character is written as like quite feisty They quite a lot but she is like she is the aggressive one and it they're both They both have a lot of unexpected reactions that are kind of always catching the other person on the back foot You know it's like it's very surprising and that means that you kind of watch them discovering each other in real time And it's pretty special.
She's yeah, so I think she's great. I don't think you can credit it all to right now sure But it looks so young in this movie so young I mean everyone was young But he looks like his remember the Titans character more than any other point. Yes, and he just brush off of that So it makes sense and that was another very charming character. Okay next nominee There's the montage scene where you're like learning about how they love each other and it kind of culminates with them on the beach And of course there's the famous line where she says to him could I've been a bird in a different life?
You know reincarnation and he says to her Very emotional very sweet and you're where does this rank on the tear-jerker rankings for you? I guess this is up there. I mean, it's just wow Andrew look It's just like it's so weird that it kind of like takes you back and then you're like actually this is beautiful This weird conversation about being birds I have a vivid memory of me and Juliet having to explain if you're a bird I'm a bird ticker Like you just had an experience that which is This movie has kind of been given a second life on the internet It's funny We talked about this with mean girls and it comes out a couple months after mean girls and there are just a bunch of things that Kind of caught on and became memes almost and I definitely think I'm aware of if you're a bird I'm a bird because of the internet as much of the movie like it is weird in context is true and then has taken on a life of its own It's true. Although I feel like so I watch it be a lot in college like a lot my roommates And I'm beginning with stop my ears watch it constantly and I do think that if you're a bird on bird thing That was what we said to each other a lot It definitely has made itself into the consciousness because of memes But pretty quickly at least for my friends.
I that was like oh my god the Ryan Gosling line. He he sunk everyone's heart with that Yeah, I totally buy that I just think it's also part of the reason that this movie became a thing is because of what it was released and because we all The college age kids who loved it then started using the internet. Yeah, that's I mean that's all I was just useful for me to think about how I am Attached to this movie. Sure.
Yeah, it's just uh, it also It's funny how it got swept up into mean culture when it it also predates it in certain way. Okay, next nominee Um, when she first shows up at his house and then to you know She has arrived from Charleston where she where both she and Ryan Gosling like moved to beforehand to get familiar with Charleston Mm-hmm, which I think is hilarious and like speaks to how Canadian they are. Yes, it's true She arrived at Noah's house and it's a house that he has restored for her She's super awkward and saying hello to him And he basically doesn't speak and then she tries to drive away very quickly and drives into the fence and then ends of staying I Saw your picture in the paper the one with you in the house and I just wanted to come and see if you were okay I mean I wasn't in the neighborhood or anything. I just Are you okay?
So that scene and not the next scene not the next day scene. No, okay Okay, so there's that one sure and then the next day scene She returns in the blue dress which she then wears for almost the rest of the movie and he takes her out to see the birds And then it starts raining and then they get back to the dock She says why didn't you write me and he says I brought you every day for 365 days and then of course It builds to the climax of it wasn't over it still isn't over and then they have a really hot kiss and sex in the house Yeah, the most famous scene from the movie sure absolutely right. I mean it still isn't over is the iconic It's still isn't over. It's just amazing.
Yeah, he catches he catches her on like an inhalation That is just like seared into my memory like I know that the second she opens her mouth is wide as possible He's going in for the kiss it's like the choreography on that sexy in general is quite average So I was just really confused at why I had to keep his pants on to get Showing them stripping down yeah, oh, yeah, but I just want to say like one stocking at a time Like where the legs are going and every aspect of them from like the moment they're on the dock until when they're kind of when they are Sleep after the sex yes, just really involved like I was thinking about the blocking It did also it did seem like this would be pretty awkward like if you didn't know each other that well Like I guess like actors just do it and that's how it goes But it's just like the heart of the movie so there's so much resting on their chemistry in this actually yes And also like both they're like they're fiery passion like it is like a real tone and they do it well Yes, they do. I mean that's why it works I'm always really distracted by him pulling the boat out of the water and Water what you say? I know but I just feel like it's it would just be more difficult than he makes it seems sure also would hurt the boat and the Dockmore it always just seems like it's like literal friction that distracts me That's just weird whatever anyway, I mean it's just an undeniable hot scene Yeah, and then they of course they won best kiss the MTV movie awards for that and reenact at the kiss on stage Yes, she's wearing an amazing top in that in that a MTV clip basically where it's like a strapless Like boosti type of shirt and she just she looks incredible in it. It's very 2005 MTV movie Super 2005 and it's just wild to me to think about them.
They do that appearance is three years after they film the movie I guess two years after they film the movie just much time magic of Hollywood. You know never sees it too amazing Okay, next nominee After she comes back from the outing with her mom Yeah, she greets Noah at the house and she's really flustered She doesn't know who to pick and they have like their last big fight and he tells her I want all of you and he wants to fight with her and it's just it's a lot it's really and she's just crying I find that to be the most powerful Ryan Gosling moment fighting to get those words out Yeah, it's it's like kind of a it's a the most he seems like himself. I was about to say it's very pure It's like source code for Ryan Gosling and what he becomes yes in this movie one thing I noticed rewatching last night is like so Ryan Gosling has a habit of just like yelling lines that you wouldn't expect him to yell Mm-hmm. Well, that's like his acting style and it definitely starts in the notebook Yes, and that scene is a crucial scene or he's just suddenly like yelling it ran a more of emphasis So what so it's not gonna be easy.
It's gonna be really hard and we're gonna have to work it this every day But I want to do that because I want you I want all of you forever you and me every day Yeah, and he just he dominates that one because she doesn't speak It's a real Ryan Gosling performance It also it made me realize like I feel like the guy that you first meet at the beginning of the movie I understand he's supposed to be affected by the war and heartbreak But he was like so so gregarious and I and speaks a lot and I feel like you don't really get that after the break I have some thoughts about that. I'm gonna discuss in a future category Okay, I think those are those are the nominees the most you watch will see and how I forgot any Andrew What about the fair sweal? It's a good one. That's a good one.
I've also got notes on that though. Okay, we can return to Questions to be asked my thing about the fair is wheel is that it happens too early in the actual movie for me to have seen it multiple times On cable because I'm always coming into the movie at some point that was I realized again had never seen the first time Into this movie I think when we watched it on the DVD I was like making popcorn or whatever Yeah, I've literally never seen the opening credits man rowing a boat Yeah, no I do that is and then I when we made it to the fair is like oh, yeah, this is pretty good But I never catch that because I always am watching it on cable. Yeah, it happens very soon. Yeah, so that's a technicality But that's a good point.
That's my review. Do you have any other nominations Andrew? That's the only other one I had okay, okay? That's out there, but just not on the same level.
All right the passion hasn't hasn't been established Amanda What's your number one most you watch will see it's it's still isn't over I mean, I know it's a famous but the moment from where they're in the the bird lake situation Yeah, this one's geese are the godlings like what's going on through because if you turn the movie on at any point If you're within like 20 30 minutes of vaccine you have to keep watching Yeah, you can see it like you cannot turn it off before you watch it's still in over you're much like Ali as a woman suffering I'm just you keep going No more sorry bad Alzheimer's joke Andrew what's your most real watchable scene? I have to agree. I think it's like hardly an argument It's it's that scene. I'm so hard for the fight to you guys.
I'm sorry. I have a great affection for the first date As I said, I think it's the most romantic five minutes of cinema of the past two decades But I think in terms of rewatchable. It's it's still it's an over. Okay.
Okay, you guys went two to one okay next What's age the best any burning nominees you want to get off your chest right now? I mean you might do the obvious one I think the chemistry between Like astonishing and it's it's it's luck. I mean you have to get the casting right? Yeah We'll talk about the casting casting what else but this is all time.
Yeah, it really is It makes me sad and all together so there Brian guys I'm even interviewed a GQ like a little bit after they broke up and he said that women were coming up to him on the street and yelling at Him for breaking up with Rachel McAdams because they were so attached to this movie and the idea of them together and he's like I understand And I also understand this is real I know it's really upsetting. I really wish they had yeah It's just it also movies like this make me wonder is acting real or is it just like sometimes you get really lucky and you capture these magic moments on camera? Well, the funny thing is we're giving away a lot of half past half-assed internet research But the funny thing is they didn't like each other on set right so they were fighting a lot of the fiery passion definitely Sure, they fight a lot in the movie and then they make up it does feel about like he was like came into this as like I'm ready to be a serious actor and he was like throwing fastballs at her and she throws them right back Yes, she definitely stays at his level I had a big blowout on that once as well and that like made things better the other thing we had only talked about is the Nica's of it is part of this which it's just like a weird movie for him to make although It's definitely the best movie that he's ever made. I mean He also made she so lovely which is like extremely dark and also about a love triangle, but way darker John Q Not not a tear-drucker out the dog not a success I mean, it's just like a weird list of credits and then there's this movie and also the other woman Let's not skip out of the other woman.
He's right Kate up to one of Amanda's favorites Performance is not his really historical moment. It's what's funny is also that Gina Raland is his mom right because Nick Hasamet is the son of Gina Raland's and John Casamet is right I just that's there I read an anecdote that James Garner like basically would break because he Nick has a bet he'd be like okay, mom action I don't know if I were directing either of my parents or a child for like anyone brother sister like anyone with a personal connection I'm not sure I would be like mom action. Yeah, I know try to keep it at home I'll see you try to keep a professional just me keep her name out of your mouth and her name being mom Just go with Gina or something It's just a fun and also you get the star of the extras on the DVD commentary Yes, there's so much of him. It's very funny.
All the trivia that we know and are gonna sit later is from him Yes, I'm getting it out clearly proud of this But I will say he cast Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling so I give him immense credit for that I agree with you. He also they waited a long time to find Rachel McAdams She was like half the battle was one when they found her. Yeah, other things that have aged the best I think just Rachel McAdams in general. She is so good in it.
She looks amazing in it And I think she also like looks very similar just a incredible performance from by her do prefer her as a alley or as Regina George Wow That's really hard. I think probably I don't know who I prefer as I think Regina George is like the impactful You know, that's the historical one that will refer back to so I probably have to pick Regina George. I love this performance I think she's amazing. Yeah, also.
I love her wavy hair looks fantastic. Yeah, Andrea What she prefer it is hard to say, you know, I don't I think having just re-watched this movie I feel like the performance caught me a little off guard. Sure But yeah, I do think Regina George is the more iconic character. It's hard to say which one I like more though I'm like I'm like Ali more I think I like Ali more too.
I mean obviously she's like a better hang kind of Actually, they're feisty. Yeah, Ali seems really fun though That's like that's part of the movie that I'd forgotten about she does seem fun Like she's a great time also loves to swim so much of the opening montage of them like dating is them jumping into bodies of water together She's a little fungible sure. Yeah, I like the Regina is strong and her convictions. Those convictions are occasionally suspect Another thing that's age the best in corporate in Charleston.
I just feel like Charleston in 2019 is really having a moment. Okay, and this is such a Julie I love it. It's so great I have this under what it what's age the worst Charleston not Charleston so much is like there's too much plantation stuff happening in this movie And it's not great. I was I mean it's specific to the time and place sort of and I understand that you can't just like totally Alight it but it's not comfortable everyone in a service role like whether it's a nurse or like someone in the house with a job It is black like in that that is definitely extremely poorly and it's also a glaring part of the movie now Yes, it's pretty uncomfortable.
Yes, it's also just like a bizarre choice Yes, particularly for the stuff with the retirement home everything. Yes completely not necessary the one like white person We see there is a doctor. Yes, man. I agree it's it's crappy We'll come back to what stage the worst other things I've been to the best then I have to okay This movie is a period piece nice setting it in the 40s just means that it doesn't it's always set in the 40s So like the costumes none of the references have aged at all.
It's kind of it works even 15 years later It's like how this is mark that is true. Yeah, it's also kind of funny. There aren't a lot of references It's so self-contained like other than the war and like Walt Whitman. Yeah, and Walt Whitman right that's like basically it Yes, and like the cotton trade which is like which is like a song.
Yeah historical reference. Yeah, what's your other one? So I'm gonna do it. Let's talk about the old people.
Okay, the structure of this movie is really good You can say what you will about the dementia plot line And I probably will say some of it and also you can see what you will about the writing the actual writing and the notebook Which frankly seems terrible with all respect to Ali Hamilton But the way they pull the piece the movie together I'm really the pacing you kind of you're in no young know in Ali's world and you forget about James Carter and Gina Rollins until About halfway through the movie and that's you only learn that they are old know in Ali right way through the movie And you're so invested in young know in Ali at that point in the movie They're like oh great well They're old and they're still together and I wanted to work out and somehow the structure in the pace of the movie tricks you into buying into what is a Ridiculous device. Yeah, like it is a ridiculous narrative device, but somehow they make it work I couldn't figure out what the notebook was for a long time. That's ridiculous to the device That's like what is the note like what notebook is there in the movie? Yeah?
Android you stand on the old people's side of this I appreciate it as a device I don't I think by the time it's revealed that they're them it loses its power Can you remember first finding that out? I can't I can't remember like I can't realize it no I do remember last night in the movie you realize it's her once you find the piano right like that's that's the moment that that's Revealed and then you realize it's him much obviously much later on but it's parceled out So you know it's our and then you're wondering who he chooses Yeah, but I think I may have had it spoiled for me because I don't remember like finding out and be like oh my god I can't believe it's them. I don't remember it either But I have to imagine that I was deeply affected by it because every time it happens now when I watch it I get really emotional I'm sorry that is the part that makes me cry at the end So I think that it was it worked on me. That is what I'm saying.
I think it also worked on producer Craig I just loves the old people yeah, I really do old people in love I just can't it's true. It's me I know there's nothing else Come on, it's very sweet I agree with Craig It does it does work also it ties in the like kind of I feel he gives gravitas to the younger story Yes as well like it makes it seem more relevant and like more important by having the old people as well Yeah, I mean it's nuts that it does work and I'm sure that many people who are listening to this like you guys It doesn't work just FYI memo to you It doesn't but I think it just imagining this on paper I'm actually actually reading the Nicholas Sparks novel the notebook. I I don't think that I would be Imagine doing that I'm not a fan of my Nicholas Sparks. Oh, no, that's an achievement Andrew what else is a for the bass?
What have we forgotten here? Uh, maybe James Marson's inclusion. Okay, it's just like a really good hit And as we said it's kind of he's also not really famous by the time this movie comes out and goes on to be a rom-com guy And now a guy who dies in sci-fi movies. I was gonna say it starts his career as kind of being like Yeah, I'm like the past over guy exactly which is what just said but he plays so well Yeah, it's also another achievement in the movie is they make you root for lawn as well But you always like it's not an easy choice.
It's a real he's up there with them I agree I was gonna say Jim and Pam and Karen because I also really like Karen on the office He's just below Keanu and something's gonna get Where I agree with whoever was feeding this week that Diane Keaton should have chosen Keanu reason something's gotta give definitely Yeah, anyway, he was a great guy that doctor. He's really lovely. What should we give it to? I think I think we have a conversation.
We gotta go with the device and use any old people No, I I'm gonna give it to you like the sexy that we described a great like and really are this podcast and maybe should like do a Video bonus of like breaking down because it's just so it's just a lot of you said a lot of core Really do a telestrator on it for sure. We definitely good. What's a war? So we have the way that race is portrayed which is just horrific really really poor.
I think also the war time scenes It's just like maybe you should just cut this was a really necessary show. Yeah, I'm connily dying in battle great note I agree. I have the war scene written down really tough I also think the portrayal of Sarah Lawrence College was on the list as another kind of like weird transition moment that wasn't really necessary Okay, I just thought I was like kind of strange. I have the portrayal of dementia on my list.
Oh, yes I'm just not sure it's an accurate portrayal I'm great at me which is my source right Marina's mother has really bad all-seimmers Then there's an arc for like two or three episodes somewhere around season four I'm not gonna fact check this so okay where she gets she becomes lucid for a short time Yeah, and I do think there is something to all-seimmers where you do like have a period of lucidity But I don't think this is accurately representing what that is like how long it lasts for and how it can be if it can be induced I think that is definitely definitely troubling. I think also the idea of willing yourself into death together It's another weird one that also was very shades of Titanic of course because yes in Titanic There's the couple that chooses to go down together like in the bed as the ship is sinking And actually a couple of other like moments of like Titanic influence throughout this movie. Mm-hmm. You know makes sense I always think of Jack telling Rose you're gonna die a little lady warm in your bed Yeah, I die together like little old people warm in their bed.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, and the you jump by jump It's kind of similar to your burnout bird very true. There's just there's the like Titanic influence Which I say with love because I also love Titanic amen one of the best movies of all time kind of But anyway, there yeah, there's a lot of like all the medical stuff just doesn't really hold up like against the winds of time I agree. Um, I have a still but Joan Ellen in this mother portrayal.
I'm I we have another category for that. Okay I just want to know if you think this mother portrayals good. Oh, you know, yeah, how does that hold up? I kind of feel like that is Accurate to the time okay, it was the 40s people were terrible You didn't get to you didn't get to marry who you wanted until like 10 years ago and like even there I like do you I don't know I don't know either.
Um, Andrew, it's really this was some other things that I've aged the worst that we haven't thought of yet What about alleys dad? Yeah Just so like extremely southern He's basically like Colonel Sanders a little bit. Yeah, like this mustache just a little ridiculous. I agree He also was like unnecessarily harsh, but then isn't actually like it's just a very unrealized unfulfilled character in general.
It's weird He says like what and stuff like that. Yeah, he's supposed supposed to be intimidating That's another very titanic scene is when she brings him to the dinner outside dinner basically the all white party that he knows an all white party Oh, yeah, it's also very titanic when she went he goes to dinner on the ship. Um, yeah He's a character that doesn't really make any sense. He's very Also, obviously obviously incredibly inferior to the other dad in this movie.
He was just wonderful But who could live off to the great Sam Shepard anyway? Um, anything else that saves the worst? Yes, Amanda. Um, Kevin Conley in this movie Hello, Kevin Conley moment.
Well, his death isn't good. I mean, he's like somehow being dead and is still bad at acting in this movie It's just also I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's so true.
It's awesome I know when this movie was made that entourage was a thing. Yes, he was right He made the most of the time This is just like that choice is aged very poorly because entourage and Kevin Conley's role in entourage have like downgraded significantly Since 2004. Yeah. Oh one more we need to mention is Martha Shaw as well.
Right Martha Shaw is rough. Andrew. You agree I just I just feel really bad for Martha Shaw. Like what is that character?
I agree with Andrew, but I did write down in my notes that this is a pretty realistic portrayal of an emotionally unavailable man. Oh, definitely Okay, definitely not a problem with the Ryan Gosling at all, but I just uh poor Martha Shaw. Yeah, bad beat Also, she just takes it so well. That's not real.
Can I meet her like what? I know I'd like to sit down and have dinner with you guys That part because and then Rachel McAdams give Ali gives Noah that look after she walks in like everybody's playing their part Sure, but but do they have to like there's no reason for her to join them for dinner except for out of like wanting to punish herself or something? I guess I guess that's true like that just seems that seems harsh but poor Martha Shaw, you know It isn't she's best as a vehicle for Noah to show what a good guy he is, you know because of how he handles it I think sort of yeah, why did you put her on your list? Yeah, well, I just I think he'd like basically treats her like garbage Yes, yes, yes And then there's this moment that comes along where it's like supposed to be this heartwarming thing And you're supposed to be like oh like the new girlfriend and the ex-girlfriend and I don't know it just comes off weird And I don't think accomplishes and showing that Noah is a good guy Yeah, it's it's just the whole the whole weird dynamic.
Let's come back to that point in my in my in my head I was like I think worth the shot has children, but then that wasn't correct. She was just a widow I thought she was a single mother but I tried to make her story more tragic in my head in the moments in between seeing us Alright guys who do we give it to you for what stage the worst Amanda? I'm gonna go with the whole the southern race aspects of this not great. Andrew.
Yeah, I'm like runner up Kevin Connolly I'm going with race as well, but also the treatment of dementia and Alzheimer's We're gonna be casting one of us, but first let's talk about today's sponsor If you're a podcast a movie fan like we are then check out luminary They've just launched a bunch of great original shows you can only find on their platform including a spin off of our show the rewatchables called the rewatchables 1999 a version of our podcast that dissects the most iconic movies from 1999 and all-time great year in film each episode breaks down a different movie with highly specific categories analyzing it from every possible angle The categories include most rewatchable scene who won the movie best quote could this movie made to an fx series 2019 and many more We've already done American pie office space and the matrix just came out Make sure to check out other great podcasts on luminary like poetics with Omari hardwick The luminary app is free to download and you can use it to listen to thousands of podcasts including the ones you already love like this one It's all in hands by an easy to use interface with personalized content recommendations whether you're into movies music sports comedy or more Luminary has the right show for you if you love podcasts and you need to check out luminary get your first two months of access to their premium content For free when you sign up at luminary link slash rewatch after that it's 799 per month And again, that's luminary link slash rewatch for two months of free access luminary link slash rewatch you can cancel anytime in terms apply Today's episode is also brought to you by city on a hill the action packed new drama series from showtime the same network that brought you billions homeland and re don't event Set in volatile early 90s euro boston when police corruption ran rampant through a system played by racism city on hill stars award winning actors Kevin bacon and al this hodge the new series follows an upstanding district attorney played by hodge who teams up with a corrupt fbi agent played by bacon The two formed unlikely alliance to take down a local crime family and clean up a city Exactly produced by ben aflak matt daman and tom fontana to stream the first episode for free go to show dot com slash city That's s ho dot com slash city city on a hill er sundays at 9 p.m. Only on showtime Now more watchables Let's head straight into casting what ifs There's quite a few gals out there who wish they had gotten the role of allee Not just because that means I could have made out with uh jesco biel, but the list is like pretty astounding The on that list is jesco biel. She's probably most vocal about it. She gave an interview Uh, I think like five or six years ago where she said it was the film that got away I have I don't acknowledge jesco biel anymore.
Okay, let's keep it moving. Wow. That's one Uh another potential allee that really just would have been terrible british beers Well, this is also the jessin timberlake was rumored as noa so I were they considering like a joustin and britney notebook They probably were I'm sure they were that would have been terrible terrible. I was respect to britney spears and britney spears alone That would have been terrible.
Yeah, I know um britney spears really bad actress Not sure she's ever had chemistry with anyone. No, that's sad. Yeah britney's had a tough go of it But I'm just you know being honest here. Um, another potential was Reese witherspoon I don't know how much that one's really true, but you know that's out there as well Um, and then actually shot who would have been to ult?
I guess I guess I don't really know how to hold actually good I'm pretty sure she would have been to ult but I don't know the the weird like access around jessin timberlake is pretty It's like just a weird thing to consider this alternate universe just in her but like also not a good actor Network he is good in the social network. He went he went on to work with a dick hasa betty's um in alpaca Great. No, that's not a good movie alphadog. Yeah, that no one cared to see.
I think i'm ill harsh is also in that right? Yeah, and uh, that's a real time capsule movie of 2006. Um, you mentioned jessin timberlake has potential Noah with other ones out there So apparently at one point steven spillberg wanted to direct this move in the way to pop cruise as a star Which I don't even know I mean I would like to have a dialogue with steven spillberg about what attracted him to this film the script first of all that would be fascinating The war part We're certain it would have been a better outcome for kevin connelly had uh steven spillberg interacting Uh, the tom cruise thing is really interesting. I feel like 2004 so that was earlier So maybe it's like turn of the century when tom cruises possibly attached right after jame aguire that I think he was being considered So I think that because I think that's why you can see it, but that would be a different take on noah that Would not make the movie work though.
I think it's possibly accurate to the script and again I keep teasing some things I would like to assess on noah in picking this But I think like I could see it, but I don't think it would be the romantic movie that we know in love today Sure. Oh, so that's actually not correct what I just said. I mean jame aguire was in 96 And they were presumably casting for this in 2002. So i'm wrong six years later I mean, yeah, that's like post and this is like i wish i'd post nicole divorce So things are are turning if you will maybe he wanted to be in a right in like a romantic move for that reason But yeah, but I think maybe we'd lost the plot there because he's coming off of minority of port essentially At this time and vinels guy so it's definitely a weird one I mean This is like these casting artists are fun to think about because of the where they landed is so perfect and just like you know Any other chemistry could have really worked out and and famously they cast rangosling first And one of the dvd extras was reginal mcadams like coming in for her read essentially and she looks even younger and It's just very fun.
I'm so happy they found her. I really am too and just lost an amazing career All right, let's move on so we can get to picking it sooner rather than later Okay, the deon waders award for the best heat check performance. So nominee is gotta be joan allen jina rolins james goner and That might be it any other ones. I'm giving honorable mention of sam shepper Okay, who's like barely in this movie but it's so charming and also really like the sam shepper to ryan gozling link she is very apparent and And charming.
Yeah, it is. Yeah, and that's a james r's. I mean, let's include him as well. Okay, um, andrew make your case for the best heat check performance I think it's joan allen.
It's just like throwing heaters as an extremely southern mom Like I love her reading of uh, you know, sarah lorens is in new york Charleston's only a couple of hours away But albie's going to say it on the lines Did she tell you no she didn't tell me that I just got the letter I was going to tell you Is there a long since anyone? And just I she's hilarious as a as a southern lady and really brings like the evil parent vibe to that part that really Spices up the movie evil parent who then tries to redeem herself a little bit by sharing her own story Yeah, I know. I'm sorry not to be too unbrand But I just want to note that um this movie is also kind of like The amount spiritually tied to one of my favorite series one tree health because of its setting in the south and Paul Johansson is like the evil father And this is just a really weird cameo for him and also since since both his time on nanotune Oh and once you're hell paul Johansson There's been some really unkind articles about him that they can seem like perhaps not the past guy So like in retrospect that also is just a whole weird weird thing. I don't know just very strange cameo for him Um, I mean I make your case for the best deon waders heat check performance I'm going with james garner.
Okay, because he pretty much carries the old people plot Uh, which is hard to do and he's very charming in it. So he's I mean With all respect to do not lalen's who's like doing good work, but she's just supposed to it's not a fun part She's supposed to be confused the whole time. He is carrying the narrative and emotional thrust of that entire plot and makes it work Yes, and also has to play it kind of straight. Yeah to make it seem like you don't know who it is essentially Yes, I'm gonna make the case for james marzen Okay, because he's so delightful and and likable in this movie I don't know.
I just feel like it begins that james marzen good guy saga and it's really hard to be likable and that kind of role I think that's valid. Yeah, I love lon hamman Lot ham in jr. Of the of the cotton hammons. He he also gets a bad rap in this movie I feel so bad for lon.
What do you mean? I just don't think he's like that evil like just cuz he has money Because he has money like we're supposed to root against him. Yeah, we'll also come back to his great hotel room line when we get to best Quote he's got he's got some good one liners and he just seems like a real charm are showing up in her school That wasn't a good move though. I've got some questions about that But just in general also his brove his his attractive bravado and confidence comes across well He's in the full body cast following his yes his time over to Just a great james marzen performance as a man of knows also have a weakness for um james marzen in the x-men movies I'm so great character just a fan I'm just a fan just a lot of great.
There's a lot of great dioded waiters before it's in the movie Next half-ass internet research we talked about quite a bit of it. Yeah, there's more Um for starters james gartner seems like he did not really enjoy time of this movie or he's difficult to work with He and you want to tell us about james gartner and perhaps his relationship with rangosling Yeah, so it seemed like rangosling was trying to get real actor to actor with james gartner And asking him about like what accent he was gonna do and james gardener apparently told him i don't do accents kid I think he's an accent or stupid Just like such a funny thing like shut up rangosling That's a big team team james gartner in this whole anecdote and then he if rangosling was like, well, you know, I have blue eyes You have brown eyes. What are we gonna do in james garters? I don't care Um, he just seems like no time for rangosling.
I mean as I know you've got a real affection for rangosling I do even as it's kind of like deep theater kid Do you still feel the same way I try and match match his contact lens color and everything? This is like the part of rangosling that we try not to acknowledge right? We try not to acknowledge because there is like really weird indy band Indian movie rangosling and then there's like funny charm rangosle and he seems to have like a One for them one for me approach to movie making or sometimes you get the charm and sometimes you don't so I'm aware of the other half of it which includes being like a really pesky method kid who's like, but what are we gonna do about this? And it's really important that I write like extreme character biographies and like journals for my characters before I show up I'm sure he did i'm sure there's a no a notebook somewhere in the archives that will be released upon his death more half-assed internet research He moved to carolina before the movie to like get cultural with the terrain Yeah, this would definitely be weirder if he wasn't Canadian okay to move in my opinion Because I just feel like a warm coastal town is probably foreign to you Although he lives on a lot of times lord that's part of the making mouse club So he's only his disney kid.
Yeah, I just try to acknowledge the other part of rangosling He contains multitudes as well. I would say I already also started making furniture for this to prepare for this role Oh my god, that's incredible. I did not read that. Thank you Andrew Wow the furniture aspect of his character is kind of a fun wrinkle I wish you got more of that actually guys just knows how to be a contractor I think we got the right about I think we got one close up on the beautiful furniture that he's making in his studio workshops Is that how he's paying the bills?
I worried I wondered about that. Um, that's a great question I don't think we know he's paying the bills. Okay. We don't that's something we can come back to I'm taking next We've got a long list.
Yes Um apex mountain. We'll talk about Rachel McAdams in her incredible run in one moment Can you make the case for anyone else? Yes who? And Nicholas Brooks.
Okay, great. I got you next. I accept. Yes, you're right.
I mean with Nicholas Sparks He really has made an industry off of this movie being successful. Mm-hmm. It's pretty remarkable Andrew, what would tell you to read Nicholas Sparks books curious as your colleague? I just want to know Um, like a lot of money.
Mm-hmm. Probably the other thing. Okay, good to know as your employer. I'm glad to know.
Okay Amanda anything even more likely to do it because you could just sit down on one flight for like five hours and yeah But it's I kind of but we get the gist right at the gist from the movies and I have enough Southern authors or like kind of beach authors that I read. I'll just say like Nicholas Sparks got in trouble recently for some fairly I believe it was bigoted remarks like if you apologize, like not great I you know, sir in this movie I said sir in this movie and I really appreciate the other aspects of this movie I don't really need to read these books. Yeah. All right.
Let's just have a reach on the countos. Great It's just absolutely to be her apex mountain. I'm gonna go more than being girls. Yes I really think so.
I just think her charm and her like infectious energy really comes through I was just like taking with her last night I know so are we doing because every time bill is like a past mountain is not subjective Apex mountain is about like a point in the career and not how you feel about it. Okay. Well, let's do a point in career And then we can do an emotional assessment. Okay.
What is her objective career peak? Well, I think that it's wedding crashers because she has she's writing this girl's own and notebook And then she makes it to wedding crashers next year and that's a big thing and it's kind of like Would you say she crashed after that? Well, it doesn't work out. Yeah, no, I got it I thought that was a red eye joke.
Oh my god. It works both ways Maybe she didn't capitalize on the moment the way that she wanted to though She's actually it's not an even for an Oscar for spotlight. She was in morning glory one of the great rom-coms of the 21st century and Great party great. It's not really worth checking out.
She's been working and is like really respected But I think kind of wedding crashers is the moment where you're like, well, she could do anything And what do you think is her objective apex? I I think it's this I guess I would say the notebook because it's the one-two punch of me girls followed by the notebook that like You see two sides of Rachel McAdams and she's like killing both of these roles, right? I I would go with the notebook. I mean I think you I think movies wise it's undeniably wedding crashers I mean to your point like a writing about wave and everything I would say maybe it's a notebook because Of their relationship.
I feel like their relationship makes them celebrities in addition to the people like loving this movie Yeah, there's like that's a good point and so without that she's not as like famous or beloved And I believe they're dating by the time wedding crashers comes out because that's in the summer of 2005 Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that they'd been public for a few months essentially is her apex the MTV VMAs situation. Oh, it's so hot Um, that's a good question. I mean, it might be Everything is like aligned and it's certainly like one of the handful of moments that what we've referenced with her. There's that there's main girls Yeah, yeah, it also yeah, I think when you put in into effect in kind of like a Tom Cruise way or Julia Roberts way Like how we've talked about them previously on her watchables It's kind of like taking the career and then like what you make out of it in terms of being taking the acting parts and how you turn into being a celebrity That it's a soaring high for her and wrestling together But subjectively the notebook is your personal Rachel McAdams apex.
Yeah, particularly upon a rewatch Okay, I think I mean I just she was my winner of the movie. I just think she's so fantastic also so skinny in this movie Like perhaps too skinny. She's very small a lot of them really defined waist great great great Great part of the period piece that's 40s for sure. Yeah, and it's a lot of flatter I don't know a lot of things that you would see in Brooklyn now So maybe we should mention that one of the best but it comes into it falls in line with the kind of the period piece idea I agree and it just really works very well.
Uh, the Joey pants award I can't remember what the Joey pants award is right. Can you remind us? Yeah, it's for the that guy in the movie Okay, let's come and come away right the Joey pants award gotta go to Kevin Connolly I guess but I wonder like I don't think it was that guy at the time. I think it's just a 2019 that guy Yeah, I mean in some ways the that guy this movie is like is like uh general in sort of yeah because she's like oh She's been around for so long.
She's probably not as well known to people of our generation and younger Yeah, but you like are vaguely familiar with her. I in my notes that I took last night. I just kept calling him e throughout the movie So he's that guy for me. He will always be it's like surprising that he's not married to a manual shrieky in real life Yes, very surprising remember he dated Nikki Hilton Yeah One thing we kind of haven't really delved in to and perhaps we can't for a quick moment tied into the MTV moment It's like what a weird time 2004 or five was for celebrities just what was popular it was a real transition moment and It's sort of the beginning reality TV really taking hold as well So like Nikki Hilton was really famous and parents also obviously and it's sort of one of the reasons I feel like Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling took Off as there was kind of a hole it's like we're coming out of the boy band era and it was before like later century later decade like Kardashian Business right and it's post-benefit.
Yes and pre-Tomcat. Yes. Yeah, it's a weird Yes, it is 2004 3 4 is a weird moment. Yeah, and it was perfect for the notebook Um one other I think I guess Paul Johansson who I mentioned before.
Yeah, sure That one feels it's so random. It's so random. He must have had lines that got caught right like I don't think Paul Johansson is signing up for a line apart without any lines I shudder to think what the extension of that scene would be probably would have been convenient for him to film though with uh, Wanchry Hill, you know, yeah, close color. Yeah, this probably filmed right before Wanchry Hill started Uh, which is obviously a foundational text from you should like he bring it up Um, it's all written a word for over acting over reacting.
Excuse me. Joanna Allen. Yep Got a good job. But you guys put her in.
What was what did she win for me? I said what age the worst Um wait, it's a mom character. You do make the case and watch I mean, I don't So when Dion waiters has a he check it's not necessarily like a good thing But it's like wow, she's really going for this. This is a great point I have never understood is this award for doing the most with the least or is it for some basketball?
Should I don't understand it's sort of like you've got the hot hand and you need to be checked like what will what will keep you Let me just let me make the case for don't Alan. I don't really know how to explain it I know no one in however many years we've been in that. It's billy says it's doing the most with the least Yeah, okay, right, which is why i'm giving it to James kurtip I interpret that in a positive way usually when he check is like you're playing so well It's a short amount of time. Okay, right which is not the same as doing the most at least You know, that's like just made perhaps a mistyled all right.
I would like to say some critical things about Joanna Allen now Please don't thank you so much. I've seen that stood out to me upon my rewatch last night When they are trying on when reach my guidance is trying on the wedding dress and they're like 15 anonymous Women with terrible southern accents in the room And they're all there for like the unveiling of the dress just among the women I guess and then they're talking about how it's going to be the society event of the year and Joanna Allen is really leaning into her scheming southern accent mom role and it doesn't work for me It's a very it's a very weird moment. Yes. She's like society event of the season of the year It is the biggest her accent gets She also got a little shimmy in there a little shake of the shoulders and it's a very odd moment I think she brings home the emotional stuff at the end But the first half when she is just playing kind of shallow southern mom It's a bit much for me.
How do you guys feel about her when they're at the like dance At the top whatever that dances with the like offensively stereotypical largely black band Brass band that has to be a dance double right for Joanna Like kick. Yes, absolutely. That's how I feel about that Andrew that seems to like you was on all that works for me. I'm sorry guys I'm on board with evil Joanna Allen.
Okay. Okay. Do what you feel I also want to know that band leader is obo bobatunde Who is the outside principal in season three of Dawson's Creek? Which I believe is filmed right around the same time as the notebook that again to me is a Carolina connection I just want to shout it out that guys were super famous to me and he's sort of another that guy But again, these are all like wb related that guys so it doesn't apply to most normal people Definitely i'll do it not doing too much by joe nalon There's a couple a couple of flashes.
I mean also kevin connley totally doing too much, but we're very dangerous We just have an early establish joe nal is kind of like the third biggest lead in this movie and she's not that much I guess fourth after james marzen it's a really hard to make a case for anyone else even based on how much they're in the movie Through i'm sorry don't know and you're a wonderful fine actress I saw her on broadway recently in the waverly gallery and she was excellent, but uh She was not channeling that energy and the notebook. Let's pick some nits. I'm so ready. I'm Andy.
Go first Alright, so here's my number one. This is the big one. Okay, okay. Let's just I wrote all this in caps Can someone please explain the timeline of the home restoration to me And or how long or are allie and lon engaged?
Okay, I similarly read allie and lon Let's talk about that timeline first because I also want to get into it. So this movie begins in 1940 I believe they say yes and yes it is june's x 1940 is when they meet yes and it is um It's the summer. I guess we can assume that allie at 17 will be starring sarah lorance in the fall So it's the fall of 1940 so that she graduates in the spring of 1944 so I assume isn't sarah lon's for your college. Yes.
Okay, so that's four years and then It's another two years. I guess later until she reunites with noa in 1946 after the war and everything It's 1947 because she said yeah i waited for seven years now it's too late. Yeah, so So she's dating lon or engaged in him for as we know her base up at three years I think we can assume it's the summer again when she goes back to c noa again and I mean i'm having laid that out like what are your biggest questions so i mean because i've got some but i want to hear yours first Well That makes sense that is they meet like the 40 the end of the war 1944 1945 because and they show it they show them meeting up and noa coming home at the same time Right, it's also possible to perhaps you took a year off to go be a nurse true. That's all fine I'm concerned about we are shown the engagement And then we are shown noa starting work on the house And then we are shown the engagement announcement or the preparations for the wedding I'm sorry which could take a little time though like in the 40s by the way It was like six weeks between the time you were married Is why didn't she get married not to be like rude but she would this girl this woman We've got would have gotten married way younger way faster.
Yes, but they show the entire home restoration also Like same shepherd dies at some point also between the engagement and the part of the home being finished They're showing him go floorboard by floorboard that house needs new everything He pulls off the phone and somehow And somehow that's true no one else is helping him and somehow he is featured in the same newspaper as the plans The announcement of her wedding which even if you're even if they took a long time to plan a society wedding I'm giving him six months max between engagement and wedding in the 40s. I agree You cannot read it be a home like this in six months with one person not a good job at least no And it's a beautiful home. I totally there's a lot of like the time like that just doesn't make sense at all Okay, I agree with you. There's there's no answer there.
Thank you. I just needed to get that out in the open Andrew do you have a major net you need to pick so I don't know if this controversial but I have I have some concerns with early noa and alleys relationship in the house. Okay, okay I thought about this too. I know what you're saying.
Yeah, a lot of it is based on like pure adrenaline and yeah and basically Hating alleys mom and also they get into a lot of physical fights. Yeah, like not in a cute way But in a whoa, they're hitting each other way. Yeah, and I don't know it doesn't look like the best relationship It's true their fighting is very aggressive. Yes, it's not just like bickering.
It's like it is fiery. Yes, that is true They are very physical and I do wonder to the extent of which it's just meant to Communicate their passion like because you can't show them, you know actually having passion although you can't it's right now later in the Um, no, it's right at the same thought it's been interesting. Especially rewatching big little eyes. I'm kind of like, um, maybe we should rethink the connection between Physical aggression and physical passion and also like noa where did your personality go?
I understand I understand that you've been through a lot and the last seven years have been tough for you But he has like a personality transplant and like he spends a lot of time not talking in the second half of the movie and then that guy transforms back Into James Garner. It's just sort of weird. It's true Here's the thing when i'm gonna say, okay, and I had to sign on an answer a question But it is also kind of a day because I know what I think about it like Is it healthy to build an entire house for a person that you haven't spoken to in seven years and then by all of the painting supplies Including the sketch notebooks and the different pencils and the canvases and have everything just like waiting in a house for someone Like we all inter- that's romantic in the context of the movie. Is it in real life?
No, yeah, it's not it's weird and stalker. Yeah It's creepy about the house itself I mean like I guess like a beautiful house is my love language So I understand him wanting to redo the house He had this vision but there's something about stocking the painting room Like it's the third sketch notebook that I was like this is a little intense It's sort of like flip side miss Havsham very similar and she was considered a madwoman. Yes So definitely a double standard in it for sure Yeah, it is a little bit of the Lloyd Dobler thing of like what is romantic in movies like standing outside someone blasting I think it's just like actually super inappropriate and not accepting boundaries So I say acknowledge boundaries people. Yes, exactly and move on But so to that point I give Greg as a credit for channeling kind of the break with reality Yeah, it would be necessary to do this like I agree with you and it's not healthy similarly Unlike with Rachel McAdams.
She goes off the grid essentially at those time at that time of year She kind of grows off the grid for like two or three days and that's really rude to this lovely man. Lon Like that's just like messed up and I'm just and I again like that's that's not good behavior Yeah, I agree because you're not contactable in 1947 if you're on Seabrook Island Even if he does call the hotel a million times do we even know Ryan Gosling has a kind of phone system is he operating with on his remote home Probably done. Yes, just him and his schedule books. Why couldn't Ryan Gosling have another friend after Kevin Connolly died?
Well once you have eaten No other friends for you Next on our list of categories that's quote. Wait, no, I have to pick. Sorry, man. I'm smaller.
Okay. Okay. Number one related to the painting scene Yeah, but I will think this every single time How much this movie like how does Ryan Gosling have so many times to have so much time to cut like so many different arrows? Yeah They're all different.
It's not even like he's holding a piece of paper like that is a two-hour project max Also that paper looks like straight up zerox paper, which is not 1947 approved. It's true didn't make sense. Okay, another one James Marson's proposal extremely convoluted I don't understand it is a weird entry Like your mom and your parents hate you and it's something there. I see what they're trying to do I don't think he gets there.
Yeah, I agree also I'm just never a fan of my master parents already understand that in the 40s. It was like totally acceptable to do so but I hate it every time Yeah, but the stuff before that just doesn't make sense I think we just could be right on that frankly. Yeah, Andrew any other nets? Uh, he is I know he's not trying to sell the plantation But he's only asking fifty thousand dollars for it which in the 1940s is like five hundred thousand dollars Which is just not enough money like just know he needs a better understanding of the real estate market and the land ideas.
I agree with that. I agree with that. That's a great point. Yeah, he's classic.
No, I'm not Not only an expert. I realize I have one more. I'm sorry. No, I feel this movie ends quite abruptly Yeah, I forgot it's just like it literally just like pans up from the bed and then roll credits I I would have ended the movie and I'll return to the house and that would have been a nice drug Yes, that that make Adam's drug is just all-time.
It's out there with the Jordan shrug When this movie's on TV, that's when I stop watching it. There's no need for the extra 15 minutes of old people Yeah, but that is what I start weeping and I'm just like, wow love is real I agree You have all the old people stuff leading up to it where he's reading the story and you realize it's him Yeah, but you want to know like you can't just leave the plot line of them in this sad hospital unresolved I have no investment in them in the hospital. So this this is the movie that Netflix did alternate ending for without telling people I forgot about that and what was the alternate ending is them just going to bed with each other like in is that like biblical code for having sex or With the old people. Yeah, the old people going to bed and there's no scene where a nurse finds them dead Okay, I think that would have been better.
I think that's better actually. I agree. Yeah, I agree They make a lot of good decisions. Um, I just didn't need the whole 15 minute epilogue and I even love that epilogue Wow, you I maybe also don't need it But that is when I just like start convulsing and I just like can't stop crying.
I don't know why I mean it is sad I might be colder apart, but this movie has never moved me to tears Wow, I even know what to say to that I don't know me and Craig in the corner just valuing love and love the last lifetime. I don't know It's weird you would think that based on a lot of evidence I presented it would like really hit me hard I also love said shit. Yeah, I know this doesn't make this is so sad I think the old people for me. I will say the reason that I think this movie ends abruptly is because I want one more young now Like that's what I want.
It does seem to end like you want more I agree. Yeah, yeah I you you're here for a rangosling and that's true But I need more than her just coming back because it's Andrew pointed out. It's not a guarantee that it's gonna work out perfectly So I just want I want like one but the whole premise of the old people is that it does work out Well, I guess so or maybe the premise is that Noah is just like following her around and reading like I just not let go And it's just like putting new sketch notebooks under her bed every day. They're cute.
Like I'm years. That's true They have kids that they I mean I just I want it's just a divide some people are interested in the old people story and some are not Okay, I think it's just accept it. Okay, that's quote We went over a lot of these and that's saying because that's what makes them so good Amanda for me It's if you're a bird out of bird. Okay, Andrew.
Yeah, that's the obvious one I do like I wrote you 365 letters. I wrote you every day for a year. It wasn't over. It still is an over It wasn't over for me.
I waited for you for seven years. Now it's too late I wrote you 365 letters I wrote you every day for a year Yes It wasn't over it still is an over it's just incredible. However, I still I still check I still select I want all of you forever you and me every day. Okay, I just love that but I also like to fight so There's that um could just work at the time episode Netflix show in 2019.
Yes Show me the full observation and a proper timeline If we adapt this into 10 episodes, would you want as the same ratio of old to young Yeah, I would why like 80 percent young 20 percent old give me like a princess bride situation That's why there's a princess bride as well. Yeah, Andrew. Yeah, that sounds right as long as we're assuming that the chemistry between the actors who are playing no N.L.E.R. is as good.
Yeah, that's that's an extremely important point by Andrew It has to be god's like a McAdams level or else it doesn't work as a Netflix series And I think also I know it's in the same way they were like basically unknown Yeah, or not I mean at the time of release Ryan Gosling was a bad guy. He's a he's a I watch breaker. Hi. Do you ever watch that?
I did I used to like run over as well to see it Just love to programming um, but yeah, he was like a total bad guy at that point I think I think you also want that for this. That makes sense. Unanswerable questions. I have a big one.
Mm-hmm How do you know what get off the fair? Thank you. That's mine too. There's no explanation Don't they just start moving it slowly so he can get down.
I don't know if he's hanging on that's what I sue That's dangerous like he get like it's already dangerous. I don't know. I just was like I was watching I was just like fuck I don't see it off there. Yeah, that's that's my guess is that they just keep moving the ferris wheel until Okay, and it gently put him on the ground because they can go like one by one You know so it kind of goes down until he can he can drop stop drop and roll.
I have another question for you guys Okay, when James Marson arrives at Sarah Lawrence College Does Ali Hamilton know who she's looking at that? She like instantly recognize him I think that you're supposed to think she does. I I just want to say I didn't I had too many in it Like picking minutes, but the extent of his injuries in the hospital. I just I'm not right I am so like major question.
What injuries did he incur and how did he survive them? I have no idea but with that level of cast there's some internal bleeding And I just have some larger questions But I think in the magical world where he's like okay and just suddenly looks really hot in his uniform like six months later Then yes, she recognizes him Andrew. I kind of went back back and forth rewatching for this like It seems like she recognizes him, but then it's also kind of seems like she's just like oh a cute guy is looking at me And it they walk fully past him before and he has to be like hey, like remember me. So I don't know it is weird It's very strange and also her friends like who's that guy like it's not like she was thinking about him as far as we could tell because they were Confused not like she was talking about the hot man in the full body cast who asked me out That was a weird one.
What are the other questions you guys have? I already asked mine, which is like is building a whole house for a person healthy behavior And it's but it's answerable the answer is no So is the fairs really turns out we do have the answer to many of these questions Andrew why are no one Ali's kids so kind of cold-hearted Harded I know it's complicated But they're like hey like can we just like leave her here and like you come home and yeah It's a good one check on her once in a while like that. How did it need to be explained to them that their dad wanted to be with their mom Elder care is very complicated. I know it's tough, but it seemed a little I don't think society has the answers to how to deal with elder care to be answered to be honest It's an unanswerable question for all of us.
There you go On that note who won the movie the answer is not elder care My answer is Rachel McAdams. Andrew Ryan Gosling I think we're Rachel McAdams. I've already expressed how much I love her in this movie. She's so good Meanwhile on the intro side he gets the best lines all of our all of our lines are Ryan Gosling lines You know but will he be this great character without her?
No, no, no, it's like a performance in reaction and it's really amazing So it's like we're watching science chemistry. Yeah, but I think that she is the The dynamic force in this movie. She's pretty amazing Andrew make your case Come on just as I said earlier I kind of thought I kind of feel that Ryan Gosling is the one setting the tone for this relationship And she's the one who has to like hit the balls back to him and like granted She does fully match him. I think if it was another actor who maybe didn't wouldn't go to this place Then we don't get this relationship that we see It's accurate.
They're so well matched. It's I mean like one wouldn't be who he or she is without the other I think ultimately as I said, I find the reason why he has like steals steals it with her charisma But it's really a perfect pair beautiful stuff. Andrew and Amanda. Thank you so much Thank you today's sponsors We got voodoo which is a leading streaming app with the library of over 150,000 titles available to renter by And over 10,000 titles you can watch for free on their ad supported on demand service Enjoy everything from the latest Hollywood blockbusters to your favorite indie films without subscriptions or contracts Right now in voodoo for free with ads or movies like drive standby me jama choir and a spent Sure, add to voodoo dot com slash rewatchable to sign up and start watching today again That's the v u du dot com slash rewatchables and don't forget to watch city on a hill It's the new drama series from showtime starring Kevin vacant and aldes hodge city on a hill air sunday at 9 p.m Only on Showtime