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EPISODE · May 12, 2026 · 1H 31M

Storytelling Is the Oldest Technology for Changing Minds

from Systems of Scale · host Ian Gatzke

There comes a point where information stops working.You can explain something clearly, lay out the logic, and even show someone exactly what to do — and it still doesn’t change behavior. In this episode, Ian Gatzke sits down with Neal Foard to explore why stories work when information alone doesn’t, and why storytelling may be the oldest and most effective technology we have for changing minds.Neal is a storyteller, teacher, and creator of StoryFire, where he helps people become more compelling communicators across business, leadership, and everyday life. In this conversation, Ian and Neal unpack why stories are easier to remember and repeat than bullet points, how leaders use stories to shape culture and build trust, and why small moments of kindness often have a bigger ripple effect than people realize. They also get into the practical side of becoming a better storyteller — including rehearsal, getting over the cringe of watching yourself back, and building a habit of capturing story ideas as they happen.===============Neal’s Links:- Website: https://www.nealfoard.com/- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/neal-foard/3/740/372- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealfoard/- Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nealfoard- YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@nealfoardCheck out Storyfire:https://www.storyfire.net/===============Download the Program Execution System Toolkit:https://implementgpts.com/pestoolkit===============- My LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-gatzke/- Schedule Free Blueprinting Call: https://api.leadconnectorhq.com/widget/bookings/implement-ai-blueprinting===============Highlights:0:00 Episode Highlight0:39 Why Stories Change Minds3:17 Most People Are Pretty Cool5:27 Be the Change You Want to See9:58 Making Friends Is Our Business13:39 Why Stories Beat Bullet Points18:18 Storytelling Creates Pretty Privilege24:25 Stories Give Work Meaning29:42 Culture Is Built Through Stories33:48 The ROI of Positivity39:00 Teams Win Through Trust47:41 Kindness Has a Return57:30 Make Every Meeting Memorable1:15:16 Get Over the Cringe1:21:22 Stories Are Everywhere1:29:26 Don’t Believe the People Paid to Divide Us

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