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EPISODE · Dec 5, 2017 · 1H 19M

The One About Ghosts

from Live Forever · host Native American Spirit Seer Dan and Insane Asylum Visitor Brent

This week Dan and Brent discuss ghost. Brent talks about his recent bout with food poisoning and how he grew up in a haunted home. Dan talks about his native american family history and ghost parties. Reach us at [email protected] @liveforeverpod on twitter https://www.facebook.com/liveforeverpodcast

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But there's something weird about the kind of person who wants to be a clown. Kind of person that has to be a clown. Yeah. That's what they're meant to say.

You ran out of options. And you're a clown now. I'm down to serial killer and murder. I'm down to serial killer and clown.

Yeah. Sometimes I forget I'm still working. It was just a little wild path of sunset strip. Found the girl's body in an old men pit.

I'm out to song shut but her eyes were still white. Gettin' through the fog to the other side. They put me on a women through me. T.B.

and J. with no bears. Ziggas signing on the rest of the day. Oh man.

I got food poisoning this week. That was fun. How do you get food poisoning? Ah, food.

How do you want? Is it weird? Let her thanks even dinner. Oh yeah.

Maybe sitting out too long? I mean it went sitting out. It was in the fridge. Or just around too long.

Yeah, it's about a week after. That's about when. Yeah, that's about when. It's nice though.

Food poisoning exists. To just cleanse your system. No, so that we have something to say other than diarrhea. When it comes out of both ends, it's no longer diarrhea.

Yeah, but if somebody tells you food poisoning, you're just like, okay they're mine. But it's not even diarrhea. It's something beyond. Oh it is.

You're right. You're just like, oh no, it's just a bucket of over dying in the middle of the floor. That's definitely stomach acid, right? Please not again.

Yeah. That's a horrible thing. You got that feeling like, I think I got a fart. There you go.

No, no, no. Let's talk to Wade too much about bals again. Poopoo. How was your week Dan?

Out of it full. Out of it full. Yeah. You sure about that?

I was about to say. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird going from being so busy, I want to scream to nothing.

Just like quiet. Yeah. Nobody wants me to do anything because I'm learning all their systems. Yeah, so you're not like in charge of jobs to where they're calling you to be like, hey Dan.

Yeah. Like I have to do now with other jobs. Yeah. I'm not getting I'm doing more for my old job than I am for anyone.

Oh, I know because I've called you every day this week. You're not the only one. Yeah. I believe it.

I hate doing it. I'm like, ah, I'm like, ah, I'm going to have to call Dan. Honestly, as bad as I thought it would be. Well, that's good.

I had a couple of hiccups where I'd call you. Like Dan, I raised a panel. I didn't erase it. I just changed it to someone else's.

Have you ever used a worked on a fire panel where there's like over right protection? We can have like two maps. Anyway, it was helping Mike with one of those this week. That's kind of cool.

It's like a way for the system to be like, yeah, great database. I don't want it. I already got this one. I see one that you made.

It's nice. I already got this one over here. So it's cool because you can't like overwrite accidentally. Yeah.

The whole thing. I haven't seen one of those before. It's weird. Like all that stuff's real familiar.

What? I just want to open the can. Go ahead. You were signaling.

Yeah. One minute. I'm going to open this can. Did you want a special note about?

No, I just wanted to erase me opening the can and now this that we're talking about opening the can. Now I'm just going to leave it all in. So yeah. It's weird.

I'm going to cut that out. And then you talk about it a little bit more. And you're like, I'm just leaving it now because there might be something good in there. But I found it about a can.

Nobody cares about Josh cares. He does. Tell cares. A lot of people do.

Yeah. That's a fan. They feel pretty good. Yeah.

And a little shame that I'm super hungover and you know, not forcing myself to do this but a little bit. Yeah. We skipped last week. Thanksgiving and all.

It was just too much going on. Probably for you. Not for me. Yeah.

For me, it was just too much going on. Just like around Christmas time. Might have to skip another episode. Really?

We'll just do a couple. Or what? We've done in August. We're blown to your minds.

This was done yesterday. If you're listening to this. I wouldn't have got any job. I'm doing it.

Yeah. You're already. I'm doing more work for my old job because I'm still here. Weird.

Anyways. I've been saying weird a lot. This week. We're talking about Ghost, man.

Yeah. Do you believe in Ghost? I don't know. I think so.

Like in what sense of the word Ghost? That's what I mean. Unexplained Phenomena. Like humans.

Okay. I believe that there are spirits of humans. I believe that there are spirits of some kind around us. Now are they spirits of ex-humans?

Is that what you think or now? Oh, for sure. Like I don't know if there are spirits of people who used to be alive. Like in the traditional sense.

Like you die and become a cast bird and do friendly things. Or you know you terrorize Bill Murray. Either one. I don't know.

Either that or like it's an extension of your you know psychology. You know you're hearing things seeing things. Yeah. Because I've heard things.

I've seen things. I think everyone's kind of seen or heard things and they went and added up my brain. Yeah. Cause I would have noticed it if it was just normal.

That wasn't normal. Yeah. Well I mean like sleep deprivation. Yeah for sure.

Yeah. You're being awake too long. Yeah. You ever get the little creepies out of the corner of your island?

Like shadow? Yeah. That death creeping up behind my shoulder. Oh wait it's just my brain.

Time eyeballs to shut off now. Yeah. I'm gonna go and take control now. Dan's an idiot.

We're gonna start shutting down the system. I'll go ahead and take that wheel. Yeah. I mean those are the most real hallucinations you can have.

My opinion because it's your brain is starting to dream. And you're awake. And you're awake. Yeah.

I was driving here from Indiana one time and saw someone on a bicycle. On the highway. Like on 26. Like on a like racing.

And you know my first thought is like what's this check has to do? And I pass him and there's nothing there. What? Like and it kept happening.

Like man that's a big ass barn up there. Like a big red barn with doors clearly illuminated by like a streetlight. Pass it. It's not there at all.

Yeah you should stop driving. I think I did. I think I was like at the rest of between here in Columbia. Like not that far.

Yeah. I'd still hold over for like two hours. I was like maybe I'm gonna die. Yeah man.

That's what I mean. Like there's this sleep deprivation. There's psychology times of great stress or sadness. Which I mean.

So you've seen stuff I ever felt. Something. Like how do you mean like ghost brushing past you or tactile since you? Yeah.

I don't think so. I think when I was younger. Let me give you the back sort of old house you used to live in. Okay.

So I moved in there. There's a Goose Creek. And there's a two story house. There's all that good stuff.

And like shortly after I moved in my stepdad made a joke like hey we got this house super cheap because it's haunted. And my mom got like all serious and she's like I told you I don't want to talk about that. And okay because apparently someone killed himself in the house. No way.

And I was like wait what? No. Are you serious? What?

So I don't know if it was true or if my mom's like that's not funny. Don't talk about it like that. What was this? Like and I was about 12, 13.

So I don't know if it was a weird house. Like when you're there by yourself you just have like this dreadful feeling. I don't know if it's because psychologically and planted because my stepdad mentioned that hey this house is haunted. I don't know.

Wait was it actually haunted? I want to do if you're in a catch another corner. I saw you look and then I was like okay. But anyway it's just a demon head behind you.

I swear I felt something try to push me down the steps there. What? I don't know if that was because I was thinking about it at the time like man I was about home by myself. You're home by yourself?

Yeah. Milly night. No it was middle of the day. Milly day.

Even scarier. Yeah I don't know. You just always see weird sounds in the attic. How do you feel like something pushed you?

They felt like fingers on your back? No it just felt like I got compelled. Yeah. Whoa.

Like you've lost your balance for a second. Almost. But it wasn't like how do you lose your balance from your shoulders? No I mean like it was just like well I mean when I got the rail stuff and I was like did I just throw myself down the stairs because I'm thinking it goes to special me?

Hmm that seems extra far. Doesn't it? Maybe that's where my brain goes because I'm like yeah no ghost. Right.

Yeah it's impossible. Impossible. Is that me logic this out? Clearly I'm trying to throw myself down the stairs because I hate my life.

Because I live in a stupid haunted house where someone killed themselves. Because they hated their lives. No it's happening to me. Yeah that's like the weirdest thing I've ever experienced.

Hmm as far as ghosts phenomenon. Did I ever tell you that I was fairly convinced that I could see spectral Native Americans around my lake house and all of a see? Okay speaking of seeing spectrum. You haven't told me that but go ahead.

Was it there or was it Child's Imagination? I mean the Lake Wallace is an Indian chief. I'm actually distantly related to that same tribe. The Miami Indians.

Was your hair longer? Like physically longer? What? When I was a kid?

Yeah whenever you could see these Indians. No I think so. It was actually more blonde. I didn't say darker I said longer.

Yeah. That's weird. Well no they say Native Americans like they grow their hair out because their hair is like gives an extra sensory. Oh really?

Yeah I didn't know that. Yeah anyway. And like because they would hire these Native Americans for tracking and stuff when they were coming to America. But like they would capture them and like cut their hair and they would lose that ability to track.

Whoa. Yeah you never did that. Nope. I mean maybe I did it somewhere.

I wouldn't mind doing an episode on like extra sensory perception. Yeah just in general. Medium. Anyway.

Sorry. So I would see like kind of like outlines of I don't know how to put it like fucking predators. Like the shimmery looking thing of what we're I mean just you know a fucking encyclopedia picture of an Indian that's you know Native American and that's what I was seeing like just kind of standing around in my house but I was really young like four or five. Were you just really into Indians or Native Americans?

No I don't think so. Yeah I was really into Native Americans. It was only real late at night and I just get up and like kind of creep around my house. I'd see him through the windows I'd see him outside I'd see him inside and this could have been a dream but the night my younger brother was born there was like a little dance out on the lawn.

What? Of spectral Indians yeah I have clear memories of this. It's one of the weirdest things ever. That is very very.

I've told my family about these things and they're thinking insane. That same house that was haunted me and my sister would be outside and we would see orbs really like colorful orbs in the woods. What? Yeah like not in video.

Not video. Or like look it's a ghost. Like with our eyeballs. I thought you meant floating eyeballs.

I'm like would see a beholders and yeah I know we would we would talk about it together so it's not like it was just my imagination unless she was she's like three four years younger than me so maybe she was just like yeah I see them too. What? That's kind of similar to your little floating colored balls. Yeah.

You're kind of blinking it out and just it'd be whatever color. No. See I don't know how much credence together is it just the imagination or do children have better perceptions of the world around them. Is that how I thought?

Yeah. Trees had personalities. I think I think a lot of what we know when we're younger gets deprogrammed out of us. Oh for sure.

Like you know show us not true. Like whatever you're just hearing things to the point where as an adult we're like yeah I'm just hearing things. Like because you're told that over and over eventually that's what's going to be true. So it's real.

The truth is out there Dan. Do do do do do do do do do. What else? Have you ever seen anything move on its own?

I mean nothing could be explained. Yeah that's the only thing I haven't seen really. I've heard stuff seen stuff but I've never seen like something physically move where I'm standing there going oh what the fuck was that? The coolest thing is when you're like you set like a wet cup down on the surface.

Oh is it just like you're talking and all of a sudden it just slides a few inches like wait what are you doing that? Are you a Jedi? That's a teach me. That's an amazing thing.

So go back to the tree thing. Oh damn it. Yeah I seriously want to know about it. Sorry you're going to forget.

No. So trees got personality huh? Yeah like the way that a dog would have personality. Like I felt like I could tell you know like with an animal not like clear communication not like having a conversation but got like a sense of like what kind of mood they were in.

You get that with animals because they can move. Yeah well they give you indicators in particular. You know maybe there's something behind that because trees can put out like pheromones I guess or some sort of sense and yeah and trees aren't dumb. No you know there's a certain type of tree like if caterpillars are eating it that's off of pheromone and the other plants further downwind will actually change their flavor so the insects will be done.

Oh yeah I've heard that. So I mean it makes sense that that can. Yeah and they can like defend themselves. Yeah yeah yeah so what about like make their leaves taste more bitter is that we're talking about?

Yeah yeah that's pretty. So I guess a tree could communicate with you. It's like this kid's my best friend. Maybe I don't have any local comment trees.

Did you climb trees? Yeah I'll use to climb that tree particularly. Oh I'll. Anybody that could get up on with that?

Give them myself. What about ghost possessing things? Hmmm dolls. No dude that's a serious thing.

I got a doll story for you Dan. No you don't. Oh I have a doll story for you. Okay yeah I'm excited.

Like you had a creepy doll? My sister it's like three or four years under me. Mm hmm okay. So this was after the time movie the chucky came out.

Right. Chows play. So everyone knows what chucky looks like. Yeah.

Well one year for I don't know if it was Christmas or her birthday or something but my grandad gave her a three foot doll. Whoa. Like a my buddy? Like a my buddy.

Her kid sister what was the girl version? Yeah but it was literally like a my buddy. Whoa. And me.

It's way too big. Can we pause on that for a second? No way too big for dolls man. Yeah it is.

Don't make me a little female. No. Fuck you. Why is it three feet tall?

You don't need a three foot tall. One foot half most. I've seen them though you don't talk about. Yeah I know.

I'm a big guy. I know. It's still too big. But tell you about one real quick Dan.

Okay. Check this out. So we get this thing and me and my sister are like fuck that thing. Rawls, red shirt, red hair.

Oh yeah. Like exactly. Ew. Yeah.

What? And so it's kind of like chucky. Yeah it was chucky. That's what I'm going to say it was.

We did not like this doll at all. No one did. Does anybody name it or is this the doll? I don't think we even got to the point of name.

Me and my sister took it outside. Cut all it's hair off. Chop it up and buried it in the yard. What?

Yeah. Well maybe we didn't chop it up. We definitely cut all the hair off of it and buried it. Dored pieces.

I think we might have removed the head from the doll. Did you bury the pieces in seven places? No all in place. That's where you fucked up.

But dude that was my sister's always had like dolls. Right. But something about that doll was so fucking unsettling. Did you chop it up and buried it?

Yeah. And that's it. That's what's happened. No no.

We got to it in time man. We got to it in time. We got him. Way to go guys.

My daughter's really into stuffed animals and she would literally have like a mound of stuffed animals. And those can be creepy as fuck too. Yeah again. Just dead eyes staring at you man.

Yeah I don't like creepy dolls man. I don't know anybody that does it. It's right up there with clowns. Fuck clowns.

I think clowns all bother me man. I mean they don't bother me like they bother a lot of people. But there's something weird about the kind of person who wants to be a clown. A couple of person that has to be a clown.

Yeah. For that I mean to say. You ran out of options. And you're a clown now.

I'm down to serial killer and murder. I'm down to serial killer and clown. Yeah. Sometimes I forget I'm still work.

No my sister always had dolls and I swear sometimes you're just like is that how the thing was positioned? Oh yeah. The moving on their own. Yeah.

Yeah. My sister had some porcelain dolls that you know had those straight ahead eyes that are always looking at you're like. Why are you looking at me? You said you used to work in a video store right?

Yeah. Okay. This is the thing I miss about video stores as a kid. You know the tall cardboard cutouts.

Yeah. And their eyes follow you. Oh yeah. That's the weirdest thing but it happens.

It's pretty awesome. It's like no matter where you stand it's looking at you. Yeah. All you have to do is make the picture look straight in.

Yeah. And it's uncanny how it's like you can creep around the store and it's like it's still seeing me. What is it? What if we get that same feeling from dolls but because they're three dimensional.

Three dimensional yeah. That's what? Really cool. I don't know about that.

I don't know about that. Yeah. Oh man. There was one called dolls.

Did you ever see that one? Probably. It's like you know a million little dolls come to life and trying to murder people. That's the premise.

I went down to Savannah and we went to a restaurant where I guess this girl had fallen out of window really young and died and so they had a doll sitting up in the window. That's fucked up. It's like a haunted place now or whatever. Don't do that.

Yeah. Why would you do that? And supposedly it's haunted but it's just why don't put a fucking doll there. It's like again.

It's like a three foot fucking soft stuff. Oh really? I'm just like, which would be just as fucked up. I thought you meant like a little doll.

No. I kind of just sitting on the edge of the window. No like a full sized doll standing inside. You're walking by like it looks like it's a doll constantly going to fall out of the window.

And see the thing is the doll doesn't look like realistic. It's just like looks like a cloth doll like a mannequin almost. It's just why would you put it in the window? The more unrealistic it looks the more frightening it becomes.

Mannequins? Fuck you. If I go into an empty room in the dark full of mannequins I'm going to get the fuck out of that place. You ever watch out or who?

No. Okay. Well there's an episode where all these mannequins come to life and it's fucking terrifying. Nice.

What uh you ever done with the ghost tours around here? No. We need to go in a dote. That's not what we gather.

Redether. Ha ha. Ah I'm pretty sure you're possessed dude! We're just like searing up at the ceiling.

And then like now. Nah. Now you're going to yeah, well I don't know what's happening, We need to go on a ghost tour together and record while walking through the ghost tour. Maybe we should save more than two sentences to someone when you're hung over and you're going to record later.

What? I really don't think i've spoken enough today. Yeah you've been kinda quiet. Ya so whatever.

Not me before doing this so I wasn't ready. Ya just walked out like an hour ago So sweet. What's that chick that like lives in the prison down there? I haven't heard that one apparently she was like a serial killer or something Well, also just in case you're listening first episode you are listening to we live in Charleston, South Carolina Which is haunted like one of the top haunted cities one of America's most haunted cities Yeah, I'll tell you though the USS Yorktown creeps me the fuck out every time I'm on it.

It's the vanikens No, it's not mannequins really it's the medical bay the infirmary every time I cruise through there dude I feel skeaved out like the I feel like you know some ghosts I just told me about the shoulder walking around maybe she did my dead buddies you want to hold hands with them too That's how I feel when I'm in that is it really yeah, maybe we should do some old site recordings man See if we get some EVPs EVPs like trying to voice phenomena Never watch any of those like ghost hunter shows. Yeah, can you you've gone through camera footage because we both work in security Yeah, how tedious is that shit? Can you imagine going through all their stupid microphones that they have on those ghost shows no and just hours of just like just listening Was that something and then here? Listen it goes He's saying he's saying get out or kill you I don't know about you a bit about six hours in doing that shit.

I'm taking their quarter in the bathroom Hey guys, I got something I got it. We found the ghost No, let's go all of it quicker you leave the more scared they think you are so you just pack up and go I was gonna listen I didn't hear anything, but I'm freak out after you get the check Yeah, we should go sonners. No, I think about that. I can do it.

Yeah, I'm just not that level of charlatan Yeah, I guess can't lie to people that much I mean, it's it's an interesting idea especially when you watch it on television ghost hunter show when it first came out And I still had cable in my this is pretty fun Yeah, at least it looks like they're trying there's no way I would pay extra for a show about ghost hunters There was one where a mental institution which I mean is there much creepier than an abandoned mental institution? Got a story about that too. Go ahead anyway, and it was one it had to be the first season because I don't think we watched it after that I had to be within I don't know this matter 34th episode some dudes like doing the EMPs and the listening devices It's doing in recording in infrared, you know and Dude like just kind of feels like oh like it kind of stumbles for a second and dudes like what what was wrong with there? And he's like I don't know just felt like something was on my back But I know you know it was just me bumping into something and they like flipped over to like a thermal camera and it was like You see like no like a dude like over his shoulders like Really yeah, I'd be glad to look up the episode when we're done because it's creepy like when everything's fine There's like no noise he starts getting a little cold, but they're like just be anything and the guys like oh I don't see anything I don't hear anything whatever flow to thermal.

It's like over your back demon. I was like holy shit Holy shit. Yeah, I mean if you guys are making it up good job. Yeah, you call yeah, he did great got me Fenwick plantation where's it over in John's Island?

Oh, okay. You're heard of it. Maybe it's like condos and stuff now You speak of mental institution what yeah, wait a minute. I call Plantation yeah, I think it's called Fenwick plantation.

It's over on John's Island, but it used to be a mental institution You heard that it's haunted um so I had to do community service one time and I was doing it with What'd you do? So I got a noise ordinance ticket sweet because I had a system in my car what two tens two tens you got pulled over for two Ten got it like a four hundred dollar ticket what yeah, we're eating at nine thirty at night obnoxious I was just in my music trying to it's two tens not that bad. No at nine thirty nights not like it was two in the morning No, but they were neighborhood nine thirty. Yeah, that's fine and not even in a neighborhood like on a road in between neighborhoods Like if I was out here on man fuck that cop yeah, so anyways So I didn't tell my parents about it cuz I'm like they're gonna shit I pay for it.

Yeah, so I went to court and I was like watching me be like yeah I don't have $400. I'll just do community service. What do they mean ten hours a hundred hours of community service? What yeah, oh And then I said off that I'm not doing that and then I just ignored it until we got a letter in the mail saying hey I haven't received anything you got about two weeks left to finish up this hundred-hour community.

Oh, no you didn't So you tried you've crammed it all in yeah habitat for humanity. Yeah, I would be your ass too Like every day I went there pretty much after school for a couple hours But on the weekends I'll work there too just because I fucking had to right and um We went to Finland plantation to clear out furniture when they're closing down the minstle That's right when they're about to wear the living now because we would get you know door knobs You know I was either when the Institute was still up no when it was empty when it was gutted Oh my god when it was like that's everybody whoa like the walls are still up But there's like loose paper everywhere no cabinets open everything's unlocked almost everything's a lot there's still some locked doors Which is weird hey do you guys want to film this for a video game or a movie or something before we tear down? It was one of the most frightening places ever been to awesome psychologically frightening yeah, so I mean there's there's files everywhere Like you open a file and just read about someone who was in there and their problems and like there doesn't seem legal Yeah, it didn't seem like they should leave that stuff But I guess when I'm into a stucos down there just like fuck this I'm out yeah, it's not my problem So yeah, it was weird like you we were moving big file drawers to take to resell so you have to open up an empty Amount and there were case files in there shut up so you know you open up and like you know It'd be like literally like if a physician was sitting down and would be writing notes and stuff It was all the notes and everything and wow all the medical histories and it was it was weird to read some of the stuff Because I definitely read some of the stuff yeah, I was cowed to see none and um They're on there like this fuck happens. We're gone 20 years ago There's this there's this one area where they have this big plexiglass wall Mm-hmm, and you know you can only enter it through one way and exit from another Yeah, like you can see through like a big like a big person aquarium.

Yeah, I mean I could wash the crazies Yeah, pretty much this what was so fucked up Yeah, and I remember I came out one way carrying something and I look over and I see someone just standing on the other side Ah, it happened to be another person going through that way, but like dude I'm about hard attack Because it was dark the light the powers off so all we have is flashlights and sunlight from windows Did he work there? No, it was someone who worked with habitat girl, but I mean you just see it out the corner Your eye when you move a stuff and I was like wait what there's no one in that room Man I would be doing that people concept. Oh my god. It was one of the most frightening things ever.

Did you ever? See here hear anything weird out there. I didn't I didn't I didn't I mean we were only there for maybe two three hours What they end up building out there apartment complexes or condos or something that really and then the actual plantation is still there the big house Oh, yeah, so it was weird. It was like an asylum on one side and then I think I'm talking about yeah I heard about some crazy stuff out there.

Yeah, it's I've heard about stuff out there too Yeah, and then I worked out there knows it was the feeling is weird. I feel like we're saying weird a lot I guess those are weird man. We used a weird We think ghosts are you think it's a Psychological Manifestation psychological energy residue a past living spectrums. I don't know I just I think smart words.

I don't know man. I think it's um I think it's definitely some sort of like I want to say spirit But I guess that's the only way we can describe what it is that makes sense it does I mean the way you just described it even if you're trying to be funny is yeah Kind of how I feel about it too like a residue energy like like if some really horrible shit happens It just kind of sticks around it stinks up the place like a static shock on a doorknob kind of like it's just charged a charged And that's why I think they're like you know like if you cook old seafood in the microwave You smell like seafood for a while everybody notices it when you walk in it's not really bad But you're just like mm-hmm. It's not good. Hey, you have a funky smell in your house.

Yeah, the best way you're rid of it What could I back a popcorn? Seriously I'm saying if like the smell has been found but still it's just a little funk in the air Oh, okay, I'm gonna pop one because it stays in your house for like ever or bacon bacon sticks around forever dude It's not so good. What I hate no, I mean I like it when it's cooking but I don't like it in two days later It's not like greasy bacon smell. Yes, like I cook hamburgers on my cat darn skillet and I smell like hamburgers To bring like I'm gonna throw up if smells like hamburgers like I'll make sure it is my numbers You can make cookies as like a real estate drink.

Oh last night. We had a little early Christmas celebration Yeah painted some rocks. I saw it. Yeah, we um cook brownies.

Yeah, good cookies the day before did you decorate them? Put some sprinkles on the brownies. Yeah sprinkles sprinkles You didn't do like that Christmas cookie thing you didn't do the Christmas cookie thing. No cut out and we just made snicker doodles What are those little uh we are gonna we do have I shapes and movies that they put on Christmas cookies sometimes Yeah, they're like edible sugar edible toothbreakers.

Yeah, like mini job breakers. Yeah. Hey eat this cookie. That just get now You don't have teeth build your sugar with a bit before you That's going to be cavity.

No, it's gonna chip a tooth every time But yeah, no, we do have cookie cutters and we're gonna I think we made one thin layer brownies So we're gonna use the cookie cutters cut brownie shapes. Oh, that's a good idea and we thought about frosting them But I don't know I like my brownies without frost. I don't really I'm not a big frosting fan. I don't I don't brownie I'm not a frosting fan on anything.

Yeah, what about cake? No, man. Oh, like you know people like the corner because as the most frosting I think I scrape most of the frosting off my cakes I like a little thin layer between but I don't like a big how you flare up. Hey, but buttercream.

It is the best frosting besides I don't like it. I like buttercream frosting. I like sugar frosting the real shit. You're a madman I just like sugar frosting frosting that's made with sugar not butter.

I want butter in my frosting. It's gross Listen buttercream is fat and sugar fat and carbs are the two things that taste great together no matter what combo you make Nope, it's right. I think people just makes it with butter because it makes easier to spread all that too I think it's cheating or maybe just the ones that I've had that don't have enough sugar in them It's just like this is just butter honestly like some of my favorite icings would be like on a either cream cheese icing I love cream cheese icing or I want an icing guy. Oh, no, I want donuts.

I know you're done it man Hell yeah, every time you sort of it's like I'm a stuffy like I don't have doesn't know that fan in case you know I mean you make yourself sound a lot better than your and I'm a larger guy in this project Imagination dude and although I did lose 10 pounds this week this week. Yeah, yeah Hmm All right, I'm getting it back. It's all liquid gross. Anyways, anyway, no German chocolate cake.

Mmm. That's good icing Yeah, it's good. I like chocolate. Yeah, it's awesome.

All right ghost. No, it's a loss subject whatever that stuff goes Made of icing I could plasm. That's related to ghosts. What is that?

Plasm then slime like slimy and Ghostbusters. I mean, what's all I know about it? That's it. I mean that no one's spout any flight I could buy right.

That's not a real thing. I don't think so, right? And now I was just thinking about a what was there's some movie on comet or it was one of the aliens and Why are all these movies drippy? Like all the scary things like all the scary scenes or whatever something dripping.

This has got to be a dripping wall It's just made me think of that when you said I took some in the card catalog and got stuck on a stand I love ghost but my daughter loves those those fantastic movie. I'm not the original right. Yeah, I mean second one's okay Oh, no, I'm talking about the original with the woman. No don't start I haven't seen that one of you.

Yeah, of course. It's okay. I have a daughter. Yes, it's funny Does that one as an else you go a little over to the top with the like yeah, I was being thing.

Yeah, the bottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah Whatever I used to not like to be honest we grew up on the original and so we'll like the original more It's just that simple. No matter what you do. You'll like the original more.

You know, yeah, yeah Go fuck yourself when I see I saw something day and I got in it recently Christmas with the cranks Tim Allen. I don't think I saw that yeah, it's funny Christmas movie We're all in the Christmas spirit man. Yeah, I was very Christmas movie. Oh boy.

I mean it's gotta be Christmas, all right? It has to be I mean it has to be I'm going to see the play what yeah, it seemed kind of excited about that I never remember what is that what is the what is a Christmas story a Christmas story? Yeah, like you'll shoot your eye out Yeah, yeah, I have a play go to see play. Oh, I didn't know that was a thing.

Oh, yeah, and um the Somerville Flower Town players or whatever So yeah, buddy. Is it a musical? I don't understand how they turn the whole thing into a play. I mean, it was originally Yeah, anyway goes for us.

No, no, then we were talking about ectoplasm. Yeah. Oh, I don't like that idea Yeah, I don't think so. Thank just like as far as what ghost are for what I think like just a leftover electrical charge basically, right?

It makes sense seems like it because we're electricity. Did we ever have we talk about ball lightning on this at all? No, I don't think so. You know ball lightning is right.

It's a very rare like low charge lightning ball that like forms into a ball Right and like moves right. Yeah, like is it really I'm still kind of confused about like a hodukin with the white bunch. Yeah Yeah, is it like a real thing though? You know, it's a scream.

I'm still confused just in general though Is that's true for that word to be? It would be but because if that's real like it would make me think more likely ghosts could be real because that's a very If it's real, it's unexplained like how can ghosts ghost could be unexplained if it's energy-wise? Well clearly we don't know what we don't know What's going on? Yeah, we don't know what's going on.

I think I talked to you about that article I was reading in the life magazine anything when I had to go to court about the bacteria that like eat metal and excrete electrons Yeah, that's not a green of life. Not like we know. Yeah, nothing eats metal and lives on it No, and the vice versa is true. There are bacteria that eat electrons and excrete metal.

What? Yeah, there's there's these bacteria that live in a lake in Wisconsin Oh, that's right. You live on electricity like you can put them in an aquarium with an electrode And that's it no organic anything in there just those things and they will grow on the electrode that's Magnesium or manganese manganese. Yeah Mangoshate manganese.

Don't worry. How did that make you think of the Murray? Because he's you know, it's Carl He's trying to brush up on catishag. He's reading books about shinsh bugs manganese.

Most people don't even know what that is Sorry Who was it? I think it was Craig told me he'd never seen catishag. What yeah, but you know, it's great. You were made to let me first That's a good song anyway.

What are you talking about? Oh, yeah? That's what I'm saying. We don't know what's going on exactly and I mean We have ideas about what's going on It's weird that people can go into places like I guarantee you if someone sent you into a place that was haunted You would get a weird feeling you wouldn't necessarily go.

Oh, this place haunted, but you'd get just a feeling Yeah, and everyone who goes there gets that feeling and that's why places are you know air quotes haunted is because everyone gets the same weird feelings Yes, like what it I don't know. It's like describe the taste of a strawberry. Exactly. You can't really explain it Just wind feel yeah, it feels like stuff on the face, right?

Name come wind Money wind But that's why it bothers me when people get too wrapped up in the term scientific fact You know what science is it's being able to observe and predict something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and You do it so many times that you're like all right. That's that's scientific. Yeah, that's all sciences So what about all the infangibles that you can't quantify or measure well and is it because it's impossible to do or is it because right now? We don't have the technology to do it.

Maybe let's like I'm sure when I real quick though Let's just say this like videos of orbs are bullshit, right? I feel like so yeah and rods what rods are you ever rods do? No orbs. Okay.

I'm gonna let you take this. You know what orbs are what are they? Sounds like a game or an rods. All right.

Or's it just that's part of us and they have it's just refracting like you can totally prove that by throwing up dust and you're like look at all these orbs Well rods are the same things except for their bugs that fly by the camera right because the cameras recording Oh, okay Yeah, they look like rods instead of like bugs But if you have two cameras next to each other you record one at like 120 frames a second and the other one at normal when the bug flies Through one sees a rod the other one sees a bug. I feel like anybody who's used a camera understands Well, yeah in any capacity like you talked to a photographer about any of those phenomenon They're gonna be like yes with it But now it makes me wonder are people who claim orbs and rods or aliens or ghosts? Are they just fucking stupid or are they purposefully manipulating data? What I don't think they're purposely manipulating anything.

You think they're just that dumb I think I just want it to be something. Yeah, but I mean they see the evidence that it's not nothing like no that it is nothing I think a lot of times those will appear and then the circumstance they're like people attaching things to it Yeah, you can see an orb in anything, but like hey this picture was taken after my dad died and there's orbs everywhere Like maybe it's just dusty Have you seen the really fucked up YouTube video of the rat in the mouse in the mouse trap? No when it dies you see a spirit Exscape from it. Oh, yeah, is it I don't know man.

It's pretty fucked up. I don't know that's another thing that is like what's a shot What's not you can't tell you can't see the one with a dude with the connect no that was a little creepy What did that explain to me? Well a connect for the Microsoft the failed peripheral for the X-box. I have two Say I don't think mine works.

I'll take one anyway The way it works is just like a camera just like a you know like a security camera shoots out for those of you Don't know the way infrared cameras work is they bathe the environment with infrared beams and it bounces off of them And then with the filter on the camera that picks up just that it makes a relief image So basically it's like holding a piece of paper and rubbing over it with some charcoal tell us a certain distant depth of the 3d image because we don't see in infrared not all the scene infrared right exactly So dude was like flipping around the settings is with the connect You can like make it like thermal or you can make it like infrared Oh, yeah, and there was like There's like a ghostly figure like a beard behind him and then you like clearly like notice something on the screen and goes huh? And it's like gone you wanna go I mean I'm gonna look at that when we're done because I've seen other things we like thermal imaging I didn't I don't know why I didn't think this but when you think thermal engineering you think okay It's these what's in front of it and it gives you a thermal image right well There was an episode of one of these house ghost hunters on house owners The ghost hunter shows flip this ghost and Sorry, I was just trying to fuck you Yes me my husband I make patio furniture out of feathers and he paints rocks our budget is $6 million We can hate those people. I know how do you have money? I want money.

I don't know. It seems like somebody gives a dome Yeah, for no reason you know brain was painting is like a really good artist. I don't know she paints really well I don't know she's like it's really it really sues me like it's a very therapeutic for me to paint I was like okay, you don't want to work understandable Why don't you open a Etsy page and just fucking say home and paint? Yeah, you can make money that way make fuck these shirts substitute part I'm in paint.

Thanks stuff. Anyways, yeah house hunter. Nope. No house hunter go center show Oh thermal imaging well, you know, they're going around thermal imaging all of a sudden they see I mean It's a face.

It is a face. I mean that's where and I can't remember where it was It was probably a prison or something wherever they go and what ended up being was a reflection off of a locker of the guy Oh, I was like I didn't think about thermal imaging being able to see a reflection And what I was thinking of that I talked about earlier. Yeah, it was but yeah, it wasn't even yeah It wasn't even like a reflective surface It was just because it was metal they were somehow see the reflective thermal and it was weird I don't know that you can do that though because you I mean obviously a regular camera thing Yeah, you can see in a mirror, but you wouldn't think you think thermal imaging would just see it as cold because it's a mirror I totally thought you're gonna look up like ghosts. So you didn't take any notes at all no I thought you were like totally ready for everything.

Yeah, I'm ready Almost hour in how to look at a single note totally in I Why you do this? I guess some some popular ghost stories around Charleston area I'm gonna say Charleston area because I always heard this was a folly beach story Yeah, you're from here I always heard this is folly beach story, but it's because I grew up here But then I heard about it being Paulie's island which is a little further north over here But the gray man so every time there's supposedly a hurricane that comes around a ghost shows up on the beach and Almost as a warning to let people know that the hurricane is gonna be bad And supposedly it goes way back in the day when people were living here and the big hurricane came through and killed this guy before He got married as a woman's and I comes back to warn her about another storm something like that Yeah, I heard it was from like the 20s or something and I had always heard it was followed beach But I mean you both heard the same story about it being on Paulie's island I was island, but I think everywhere has like the same ghost stories just to their particular area Yeah, like add it to their own mythology. Yeah, and then things get changed here and there to the point where it becomes their own Particular story. Yeah, except work to the guy on a job site who I told that story to and he was like Oh, that's the such and such goes from Florida.

I'm like, oh, well, I guess everybody has one. Yeah, I mean that's what it has to be right and Another episode you brought up Rosel Plantation Isn't that one in Knox corner? No, that is strawberry chapel strawberry chapel. That's a graveyard.

Yeah, that's a graveyard It's a chapel. It's a chapel. It's been blocked off and it only opened three days a year now So the Hermitage in murals in life. We heard about that.

I've heard of that I mean I've heard the name I haven't heard of the story behind it in 1849 wealthy doctor named Allard flag moved into the Hermitage sounds like a happen in place. Yeah, I can't go down to the Hermitage. No, it's just that one guy there Hermit invited his beautiful sir Alice to come live with him Alice fell in love with a young lumberman Where brother did not approve because he gave me the wood Good one Which dr. Flagler and of the couple's secret engagement sent out from boarding school in Charleston She fell in love with malaria and died soon after Dr.

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