The one with surrogate Shelly Marsh

We're back! And Gavin still can't get through an episode without messing up. We talk about why David looks tired, and what weird messed up thing his kid whispered in his ear, we tackle the top three most embarrassing moments of our childhood, and this week we are joined by Shelly Marsh aka surrogacy royalty, who talks us through her 4, count them FOUR surrogacy journeys, why they all weren't great, and what inspired her to create two companies to help and support and protect future surrogates and IP's. Questions? Comments? Rants? Raves? Send them to [email protected], or you can DM us anywhere @GaytriarchsPodcast