Diane, it's 439 PM. Welcome to another episode of Twin Peaks weeks. We are going to be covering season 2 episode 5, the Orchids Curse. My name's Ashley Brandt.
My name is Matthew Olson. That's my name. Alright, and in terms of Revival News this week, there's kind of none. It's out there, but it's a spoiler.
We don't really talk about that stuff, exactly. It's all very hush hush. Hashtag keep the mystery alive. Yup.
So, the only thing else to talk about in the news? Someone for this thing called Game Making Frenzy made a game called Fire Dance with me, where you pick your favorite Twin Peaks character and they have a Dance Dance Revolution style dance off against a sobbing-leelent Palmer. I'm mostly surprised that that didn't already exist. I don't know of any other Twin Peaks vignette games.
I'm sure there's some out there. But if you know of any good ones, I guess, listeners send them our way. If you want to check out, I really think Twin Peaks would lend itself well to an adventure game. Kind of like an investigative game.
Just because, not because you find us all the mystery, but because it'd be fun to just click on a thing and hear the description of it. Just explore the Delar Diner and be like, click on Giant Ice Cream Phone. Here, what Googler has to say about that. I don't know.
That's the news this week. Kind of in 2018, Twin Peaks. Click on the Ice Cream Phone. The role playing game.
Would you create your own character? Would you be able to equip your character with a log or a tape recorder? I think you should choose between being a Cooper, a member of the Sheriff's Department, a mystery kid, or the Log Lady. Those are the people in the know.
You get bonus points if you're a Log Lady and you successfully get rid of your gum with a diner without normal numbers. There's a little cell section. Metal Gear Style. I like that.
Orch, it's curse. Let's talk about it. Alright, so this episode opens up with Cooper talking to Diane as he extracts the ear plug that he's been chewing on from his mouth. Largest tasteless gum drop.
Yeah. But this is like the most human we've ever seen Cooper look. Because his hair's all messed up and he didn't sleep well and he's just trying to get his day on the right track after- His bag's under his eyes. Yeah, he's not as opposed to this moment.
And then, so Cooper's going to do his daily headstand. And finally, at last. After episodes of this just like hanging around much like the entire Audrey plot has been just sort of hanging around. We're gonna get some advance with there.
He finds a letter that you forgot about. Well, he hasn't seen yet. He didn't forget about it. He grabbed it.
Right? I think he grabbed it and like set it down and then got shot. Oh. But then how did it end up under his bed?
Ew. Ew. Is this more or less frustrating like for you as a viewer than when Cooper doesn't remember his dream where he has the answer to who killed Laura Palmer? Do you mean, so am I frustrated that the letter sits around for so long?
This isn't like a question of like bad writing, but this is like a genuine just like viewer experience question. Um, I think that in terms of the way that it gets Cooper and Truman to one eye jacks to rescue Audrey, it's not the worst. I just think that the premise of the plot line itself of having Audrey get stuck up there and then not doing that, not resolving that sooner. We're now five episodes into season two and this is when we're finally going to tie that cliffhanger established at the end of season one up.
Like I feel like this plot line could have been truncated for better effect, if anything, but I also don't like the general gist of it anyway having Audrey be kind of trapped and so forth. Like, but the letter part's fine. I like the way he discovers it. Like the headstand thing is like a great visual gag.
That's true. It doesn't make me, I mean, I guess like the dream thing didn't make me that mad either because it's like of course they're not just gonna be like, I know who it is. And any viewer who's upset about that being the case, three episodes into a TV show that establishes mystery should check their priorities. Like your time is not so valuable that you should have that answer within three episodes.
I mean, I still found that frustrating, but I also like every time I watch Pan's Labyrinth, I get really frustrated when Ophelia eats the fucking grape and every time I get really tense and want to scream at her not to eat the grape. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about and like you gotta give a spoiler warning so let me talk about this. I don't want to. Yeah, sorry the Pan's Labyrinth is last on me.
Never seen that movie. Well, don't you ever get frustrated when you see a character do something stupid and you know that they have to do it with a plot, but there's not even a good compelling reason written into the plot for them to do that? Yeah, I guess. It's like every horror movie ever.
You're like, don't go into that house. There's the answer to all of your problems. I don't watch horror movies and when I do, I understand that a big part of it is gonna be, like I can't think of a horror movie that comes in mind where the characters make good decisions and they're still foiled. I'm sure that that kind of archetype has been tried, but if I'm gonna watch a horror movie, I just kind of have to accept that before there to be real peril, these people are gonna do some foolhardy things or just like unadvisable things.
Like some teens are gonna have sex in the woods and that's just going to invite the murderer into the cabin. That's like basically like putting a welcome mat out there for Freddy or Jason. Like, you know, I just have to accept that as a viewer as the way I see it. Speaking of poor decisions, the mystery kids.
Well, everyone, but also the mystery kids. Well, I guess this week our mystery kids are just Don and Maddie, right? James James is just on. I'm in favor of like just team Donna and Maddie.
I find them. It's more tolerable. Yeah. The fewer than there are, the more tolerable it is.
Well, I think mostly like removing James from the equation, like helps because it's no longer like Donna's weird flirtation with James and like James being a shitty boyfriend. And then there's no longer Donna doing Laura dirty and then also Maddie being there and then James doing Donna and Laura dirty with Laura's cousin. Like it removes the triangle thing. And then they're just like two girls who sort of kind of like each other who want to still fuck with this shut in to get the diary.
Yeah, they're so mean to Dustin Hoffman. Okay, what's his name? His name is Lenny something. Okay.
Harold Smith. Good enough. Dustin Hoffman. Nope.
I'm seeing it less and less week by week the Dustin Hoffman comparison. Whatever. I'll post a picture of outside by side and everyone will see what I mean. Okay, you do that.
It looks like he got highlights in this episode. I get that. I get that. Yeah, the mystery twins plot line this week is kind of this real week.
I don't know. Donna has information in the context of this show where like time only 12 days of Pat since Laura Palmer's murder. There's something Donna's moving a quick base like two days after meeting the meals on wheels guy. She's going to steal the diary, but her like she has two attempts in space of this episode alone and just decides not to make off with it after the first one.
Like you were free to go. You just cared too much about this guy. Harold handling being outside. But you're clearly going to do him wrong anyway.
She could have just tossed the notebooks somewhere out of reach. It's not like he was going to crawl to get it then just deposit him back in the house and go get the notebook. I'm not going to find me because you can't meet your house. My note on that is Donna you fucked up again.
Well, yeah, that's almost constantly my note for Donna. No, I think what to think about this episode. The story that she recounts about Laura and the three boys for a larva boil monologue essentially. It's a lot better than her screaming at Laura's tombstone.
A lot better done. And the content is, I mean, this is more concretely, I think there's maybe some questions to whether or not Donna's like embellishing this or making it out for Harold's titillation or distraction or whatever. But it seems to fit in a lot more with what we've heard about Laura's diary and just it pushes that sort of the first episodes, the first few episodes everyone's in town is like, yeah, Laura had this dark side and whatever. But it doesn't seem like anybody necessarily had a face to face with that.
And here's Donna saying like, no, we weren't just like best buds and I knew Laura was troubled. Like I was in the shit at the same time sometimes, which is an interesting character moment, at least. Do you have any thoughts on it? Yeah, I mean, again, there's like this emphasis put on like a younger or like two younger girls being preyed on by older boys and like, it's weird thinking about like my own like adolescence and like knowing situations like that were happening, like when I was around the same age.
And at that time, it seems like, yeah, we're going to be 20 in like a few years, seven years. That's not a big deal. That's totally fine. No, totally not fine.
The only reason that like young people and young girls think that's okay is because they're really young and naive. Yeah. That does not seem okay from the other side of that age spectrum. It does not.
And as such, I don't think it's like, I think it's material that is surprising to see broached on, on, you know, a cable and network television show, even just like talking about it in this, you know, like, obviously it's just all you need is a context of it to know how creepy it is. But like, there's, it's not like it's going into like all this detail or anything. But it's, it's a, I don't know, the story makes me uncomfortable and Laura Flynn Boyle sells it as opposed to like, I don't know, it's like overselling it. There's like, I'm not, you know, I have not much to say about great acting moments for her throughout the show.
Yeah. But this, this ranks pretty far above Laura's gravestone and miles and miles away from Donna smoking in the jailhouse. Oh my gosh. So you want to do it through the bars, you know, you should really solve that.
You should be able to do it through the bars. If we want to talk about something that's like maybe a little much jumping ahead to how this episode ends with Harold clawing at himself. Oh, it's so much because there is no way you could do that to yourself and not flinch. Yeah.
Not only is it, is it seemingly impossible the way it happens? Like you just kind of gently drags the, what do you call that? That gardening implement? Trowler?
No. I'm a trowel. No, it's not a trowel because a trowel is like a shovel, right? Oh, you're right.
I don't know what that is. I'm not much of a green thumb. So it's some kind of cloth thing. It's a cloth.
Ash's mom or my mom helps out. Uh, yeah. So drags across the face without like really like pulling that hard and then just like, oh shit, he's leaving. Yeah.
But like Harold's motivated like why he's doing this to himself isn't exactly clear. It certainly is scaring me to shit out of Matty. Yeah. But like why?
And it's, I don't know. It's this moment that's being played as so terrifying, but it's like nowhere near like Bob crawling over the couch. Like it's, it's so heavy handed that they've even, it's one of the few times that they've busted out the Dutch angles. Which because they don't do that a lot in this show that is like supposed to be spooky scary.
It is really noticeable. And it doesn't do a lot for me. Like I think as a cliffhanger and just like, okay. Okay.
So he made his face bleed because these two who could just run out the door pretty much and be home scotry. Exactly. Exactly. I don't know why Matty didn't just run.
I don't know why Matty's roped in on the plane the first place. You want to talk about something that makes me upset as if you were just like, why are you making this decision? Donna not only had that opportunity and then just like kind of biffed it, but could have done it again because Harold doesn't like never come back. Which he should have been.
He should have been like, you use my disability against me. Never come to my home again. Yeah. But instead Donna is like, oh it's okay.
I'll distract them by making out with him. Which he also does not do a great job of like. So in that. I, you know, I plowed this show for having a very awkward insincere make out for so long.
It's not a great scene. But you know what? The audacity of actually showing it for that long and making us really feel that was good. They really went the distance.
Yeah. I mean, you've got Donna who clearly isn't into it. And then Harold who probably doesn't know what good making out is. Say from maybe.
No. Yeah. Like probably not. So it works.
It works. It works. It works. It's the scene.
But that's a plan. I'm going to do this while you sneak in Matty and get the book. It does not. It does not remind you though.
Blue velvet. The break in for blue velvet. The break in for blue velvet is like a leagues ahead smarter. Yes.
Like definitely. That's true. But like those Mr. Teens like more than not have their shit together.
You just flushed that toilet at the wrong time. You wouldn't find that. We never had to shoot Dennis Hopper. So.
You could have avoided everything. You could have avoided the whole thing. Movie over 20 minutes in. But I think the other parallel that's being drawn in this episode is between Donna and Matty and Cooper and Truman who are on their own mission.
Yeah. Where they are just kicking ass. Yeah. Do some real like mission impossible shit.
I haven't seen mission impossible. But like that's what it feels like to you. Yeah. Okay.
Let's go through some of this fight choreography that comes to mind. The first guy Harry takes out. I think he grabs his junk. Just like like Torx is jonally.
And then Harry then stuffs the ball gag in his mouth, puts the tape over his mouth. And then slams his head in the door. That's like five tarot. Sorry.
That's four terrible things. I think two of the four would have sufficed. Like punch him in the punch in the dingus and then ball gag his mouth and he's probably out. Or you know probably one of the two has to be knocking out.
Right. But it's just seemed like a little much. Little much Harry. But I guess he doesn't get to be this that often.
So. Which begs the question like where did they get the training for this? And I don't mean Cooper. I mean Truman.
Oh yeah. Just book house boy things. Just book house boy things. Just you know some karate on the side.
Yeah. And then the true book house boy shows up. The true best book house boy. Oh my god.
The ridiculousness of the throwing knife thing. I can't believe I didn't remember it before this episode. Like I can't remember. I can't believe I didn't remember that as like a character moment for Hawk because it's so fucking dumb.
It's okay. You want another one of my why moments? Why does he think it's okay to straight up kill that dude? Yeah.
Good ask question. He has the element as a prize. He could have done a similar grab balls. Then ball gag tape knockout move.
But instead just like knife in the back. Because that's what I do. I'm Tommy Hawk. No.
Yeah. No. Let's talk about Nancy. Do you even know what I'm talking about?
A she. That's blackie sister. That's what I thought. So like I really want to know why her character exists.
Yes. Because so I was poking around more and explicitly genre no is blackie's brother in law. Because genre no is married to Nancy. But Nancy hates her sister.
Once her dad. That's all we get. That's all we get is any motivation on her side is that she's hooked up with genre no and fucking hates her sister and once her dad. And that is not enough for me to just like that is not enough details I think.
It also seems like they've been playing a really long game with this and we don't get any of it. No. But I do like the. Like it's kind of like Cooper's superpower moments like showing again where he grabs her arm like just like without looking as she's about to come up and stab him and just like okay like Cooper's that kind of dude.
Then he like goes for the gut punch which is a little much again like excessive force come on like just get out here and get out there. I know I know you follow because you're like these two tips. It's probably right in this level. But like leave the knife at home or like latches or really.
But that's that's that's a debut at one I just for time. I want to just like well she got real immediately. It's like well because you threw the knife dog you made it you made it that way. They were just going to be let off and then John and I was probably going to kill him after like some evil monologue that whole period you could have stepped in and done any number of less lethal things to resolve the situation.
Yeah and another version of this show someone would have brought a lawsuit against talk for excessive force. Yeah someone someone who is involved with the illegal operations of this Canadian brothel would have been like you know what I think I have like a stand on. No like we're doing things have happened anyway. Well and my other question I was like so the actress who plays Nancy does not look white and I did a little search and she's never it doesn't look like she's you know identified her racial background which is you know absolutely her business but she doesn't look white she doesn't look like blacky.
And my question is why do we have another seemingly black or person you know woman of color actress playing kind of a brief hench woman to one of the bad guys in the series. One of the bad guys in the series who. Yes. Yeah.
I want I want to talk more about John but I guess in regard to this specific claim I don't know like is this like we don't have that much to go off of I think in terms of or at least like we haven't you know dug up like the casting method for like specific choices behind specific actors and actresses but it's this character was written and cast and I don't understand the decisions for the writing or the casting necessarily like why did like why in the first place did blacky me this sister who wanted blacky dead. What does that how does that serve the plot like the double cross could have easily just been genre no wanting blacky. Or also could have just been anyone else in that brothel literally anyone else. Yeah or like someone who's like already around not someone who's just like yo pop it out from out of town again also on your sister who fucking hates your guts and like is not afraid to like show you when we're in the same room together that I want you dead.
Like that implies so much you got to deliver on some of that I don't think that that's I don't even know if that information is out there in some kind of like extra extra piece from the show. Yeah good question especially because as we talked about there's like no diversity in this show whatsoever and with a Joan Chen kind of tiptoeing off of the set there's even less so was it like Joan Chen's leaving let's let's what black actresses do we know that are available for one episode. I don't know I do not know let's talk about let's talk about Michael parks who portrays genre no tell me everything okay I'll tell you everything yeah born in California not Canadian as he suspected but you've seen Michael Parks and things can you guess where you've seen Michael Parks was it another David Lynch movie no okay I think think a louder more boisterous film auteur who. Yeah in well in the movies of Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez Michael Parks has portrayed a character Earl McGraw who appears in from Ted Tildon and kill Bill he's the Texas Ranger who discovers the bride yeah now it's all clicking in place also in grindhouse and planet terror or I guess plant terror and then death proof.
Yeah like is like kind of established in this like filmic universe is all the same character always a role now with the did told on TV show that character still exists but he's being portrayed by Don Johnson. Well I think it's from Don's old desk. Oh shit sorry getting those wrong did told on is the Romero's on the one right. Maybe I just love the conceit from Don's old desk like there are so many people in that movie who ended up having careers where you would not have put them in this movie.
Don't tell that is the one with some high can the foot stuff right yeah you can see that movie is also so that Tarantino can just like have his day with his weird foot stuff. Well he has his day with foot stuff in every then and then in the subsequent movies to be priced. Not reservoir dogs because there are no women in that movie for him to stare at their feet but. That's all happening behind the scenes presumably.
Let's not talking about Tarantino and his finishes. Please it's not that's a different podcast that hopefully neither of us are hopefully not starting that one soon because I will leave some respect for you. I don't want to listen to it but like there's a lot of material for that. Yeah that's where you probably see Michael Parks outside of Twin Peaks.
He also like you know had some pretty prominent TV roles in the 70s and so forth but this was at a one point in his career he said some things about the Hollywood system that kind of sort of got him blacklisted like a lot of more by the books business people were not not so hot to touch him and put him in roles. So I think that this is kind of a phase in his career where it's like oh he's got to be like have this role and be seen again. But I think it's a great disservice like if you go watch that scene from Kill Bill like his Southern draw and like the way he carries himself it's all great. But I just want to like I just like want to smirk whenever I see John on screen because accident is so bad.
The Renaud should have just had like a Southern cousin. That's who he should have been. John Renaud also the fucking Assassin's Creed blade he's packing. Yeah one of my notes is like how is that going to work?
You just get in real close for the handoff and then between. Or like a handshake you're just gonna get him in the forearm like no no no you you you thrust with your whole arm and then I feel like you're like a hunching. Oh so you do like a gut punch and then and then yeah yeah like in the Assassin's Creed games where that's your essential like that's the only thing I can think of when I see that and those are games that are not realistic. No real person would choose to use the hidden play if you want to link me to the Wikipedia article of hidden wrist blade murders throughout history.
I will show you a list of assassins who could have done a million better ideas and just got lucky. I think we've already established that the only video game I play is Animal Crossing You Leave. Sorry I mean. But I'll take your word for it.
It's a it's a it's a it's a wrist mounted spring knife blade. It's not a good idea. I don't think that the John and Nancy love knives. That probably would have seemed like a good idea before guns were invented.
Yeah had either of them been packing. They could have won this fight. Oh totally. And yet and yet you want to talk about something else that somebody else who is just incompetent.
Hank Hank after getting his ass pick last episode is snooping around Tailing Harry and Cooper and then just gets caught by John and no. Because Hank is bad at what he does. He's supposed to be like the big wig of Twin Peaks. He comes in and he's supposed to be the big bad and he retains that status for like two episodes.
And now he's just like making really fucking awful attempts at impressing food critics and failing at like fighting and sneaking and pretty much anything. I should do this is why he went to jail because he's not good at being a criminal. Well he went to jail because of manslaughter that he did to cover up another criminal act. But that could have gone a different way.
I think it could have gone a different way where he didn't go to jail at all. His best idea was I need to have an alibi. Josie is okay. I'll go hit someone with my car.
Terrible idea. Anyway, that's my really nice Hank this week. We haven't really gotten deep into deeper subjects yet though. We're just kind of like dragging these characters for their bad life choices right now.
But like how much more is there? I do love that they hold court at the roadhouse. That's a great touch. Yes.
The roadhouse can look really regal with the right touches. Really? I think regal is how it looks. Well there was a brief moment where I was like do they have a court here?
Oh I see. No wait. Oh they just swept up the hay and moved the tables around. It makes sense.
It's a funny touch that makes sense. It also allows for some great little snapshots. Ben is attending Leeuens hearing. His outfit.
Wait who's outfit? Ben's outfit. Remind me. Is he not just not just wearing a suit?
He's wearing a suit but it's a great suit. He's wearing a gray double-breasted suit coat or whatever. And then his tie is really loud. Neon blue highlighter yellow design.
Not like a pattern. It's like an abstract design. And then he's wearing a silk pocket square that is also electric blue the same color as his tie. So this is real good then.
I should have paid close retention. I thought you would have. I'm loving that Ben Horn will not let 1980's lower Manhattan go. No that's his whole thing.
And Richard Bamer is the perfect person to put in those clothes. But again I think I was pretty solid established that when I looked at one of the Horn brothers for fashion I looked at Jerry. And Ben just wears the suits. But there was no Jerry in this episode.
No Jerry in this episode. No Jerry for a while. Alrighty. Well no.
Okay that just happened off screen. I also noticed that Grace Zabriski was back as a guest star this week. Well. I mean we literally only saw her in the background at the shot.
I think that that has to be some kind of like formal thing. No yeah yeah because she's like not signed on as a regular or recurring cast member so when they brought her on they had to give her a guest credit. Any other thoughts on the hearings? I do find it interesting that the angler taking it is that the prosecution for Washington would try to try Leo in that state and the state he's in.
Because like well you have connections to the law. You have experience with this. Is that kind of situationally a kind of thing that would happen? Someone is brought up on charges while they are themselves unable to stand in court.
So they would want to do a competency exam. And there's definitely with some competency exams a question as to how accurate those are and whether they're deeming people fit who are in fact not fit to stand trial. And the issue becomes the fact that Leo cannot even take that exam. Which is pretty squarely like eliminate that.
But then the question becomes about like the prosecutor and whether he might have a quota that he's looking to fill and this might be an easy way for him to put another conviction. Yeah and he talks big about justice for the town and all this. Yeah but practically I don't think a judge would ever just like decide to try to prosecute someone who's mentally incapacitated. That's not this judge.
He's a cool judge. He's a chill dude you know he's holding court at a bar and he's going to take advantage of that with some black Yukon punches. That you wanted us to have this episode. I did and I found a recipe I'm going to read it and someone should make it.
Someone should make it at home and then tell us that we should do it. Hold on it's coming up. I'll just I'll just say check after every ingredient in this that I think sounds disgusting. Okay first of all it's a beautiful drink.
The liquid is black the foam is blue that matches Ben's tie. Well we don't see Ben drinking one unfortunately. We don't but it does match as pocket square. I don't think thick black drink with blue foam on top it looks beautiful.
Okay okay so you need two ounces of bourbon. Okay good. One ounce sweet vermouth coffee infused. Nope.
One teaspoon. Gremlin dick a cow and then you make blue krakow whipped cream. Check. And you top that.
What a way. I think this sounds great. What a way to do it. There's going to be a bar somewhere that serves that.
I'm shocked that they didn't have that at the Salish spa considering that this is maybe I think the only cocktail actually pictured in pancakes maybe. And so they had their own little dale Cooper creation which was like gin and lemon or something. That doesn't sound like something Cooper would drink. But I love cocktails that make me feel like I'm at a health spa.
That makes me feel like I'm on a cleanse. I'm not saying that the feel of that Yukon was that it looks disgusting but like it's supposed to be good for you. That's not the feel of that one but my general rule about cocktails is like would they serve this at a health spa? Do I feel like I'm on a cleanse?
Okay okay. I'm sure there's some kind of like hard liquor cleanse out there right? Well when we went to that bar we went to for grad night they had they serve a drink there that is literally the master cleanse with vodka. Disgusting.
I ordered it was great. Lemon, ginger, paprika. I think it's fucking silly. Really good.
Listen to this if you're out there Portland Oregon is a bad bad place. Don't move here we don't need our rent to be higher. The FBI should move his headquarters Gordon Cole should find a new place to live. That's not Portland.
I was bringing a background to entice with that little tidbit. Nice. Is that FDI offices there in Portland? Oh I don't realize that.
Yeah. I'm in the office. They said a couple times. That's not what you think.
Speaking of court you know who looks fab in court? Who? Shelley. Yes.
Agree. Imagine. Like the most glamorous like almost widow. Most glamorous semi widow.
Semi widow. There we go. Let's talk about Shelley and Bobby. This is our first episode with David L.
Lander in it. He's playing the man trying to sell them this contraption that will hoist Leo out of his chair into his bed. David L. Lander I believe he was.
Oh the duo I think he was squiggy of Lenny and squiggy of the show. Is that was that Laverne Shirley? Well I don't know. Shit.
I'll be sure to bring that up on my handy dandy telephone. Nice. But David L. Lander like very heavily I think in most of his roles and definitely in everything you're going to see him doing Twin Peaks.
Like comic character. Comic relief in Twin Peaks. And I don't dig it. I don't dig it.
This is like you know we don't get any dick Tremaine to set up the episode thankfully but we do get this guy who then we have to watch like the goofing. Like he's in the chair but now he's being slapped up against the wall. Oh funny. Not my cup of tea.
But I love like it was Laverne Shirley. Bing got it. And then my old TV. But I love seeing Bobby and Shelley scheme and like do domestic things.
I'm so team Bobby and Shelley. I'm very team Bobby and Shelley this time around like shockingly so. I love it. I just you know wish I wish that they could just shine on their own and not be like not have that scene also turned into one of the like ha ha moment scenes.
But I'm pretty excited for whatever they're going to do with Bobby and Shelley in the third season. If they do anything at all. If they do anything at all. But if they do we don't know.
I want to see more of them together. I'll just say this they both look super good these days. They age. I think they age some of they age maybe the best out of all the cats.
I think they did. Yeah. So definitely would not object to see them more. Just seeing them just feasting my eyes on the both of them.
Just in the background of every. They're just standing behind every. In the back like posing like highlighting their sharp jaw lines. Yeah exactly exactly.
That's what I want to get their best angle like searching for it in the background every shot. Oh boy I don't have a lot of notes here. You can talk more about Mr. Tajramarra but the only thing is like it's still bad and five million dollars is on the table.
Yeah and Ben Horn just like has this fucking cartoon like dollar signs in his eyes and I wonder just like five million like yay. Like okay we get it Ben likes money he's motivated by money. Mr. Tajramarra says he represents an Asian investment firm which could mean literally anything.
Yeah. Literally any of the thousands of ethnic groups of people that originate in Asia which is a giant ass continent. Yep. That's pretty much it.
It's pretty concisely sums up how bad that scene is. Ben Horn also has like what looks to me like the world's longest cigar. Did he save it specifically for when someone makes him a five million dollar offer. That's his five million dollars cigar.
You don't want to see his 20 million dollar cigar. It's obscene. You know at this moment this episode I'm tripping all of my words today. This episode has one just perfect moment.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Maybe. I'm a whole damn town. I was wondering when we were going to talk about Andy.
I love that scene. I love that if you crank your speakers up you can hear everything that the lady on the phone is saying to him and the tone she's taking with him like very patient. I do. And this gives some hope for Andy in the whole Andy Lucy situation.
Well then he becomes very alarmed because he tries to reach Lucy and the number for her sister's house is the number to the Addams abortion clinic. I would never go to an abortion clinic that belonged to someone named Adam. Are we sure it's not referring to Mount Adams? It could be but that's still creepy.
Well it'd be the same as saying between peaks hospital I guess. Is Mount Adams nearby? I should know this since I know Washington. I don't think it was like Adams is like Adams and then like possessive.
I think it was just Adams and maybe it is Mount Adams but it struck me as like this dude opened an abortion clinic and named it after himself. I doubtful. I think you're trying to find a reason to be wigged out by that name. Mount Adams is in Washington and Lucy said that she was going to Tacoma and I mean it's like further south by a ways by long ways.
Like the fact that Lucy is traveling as far to do this rather than just like I don't know down to Spokane. I don't know what the state of abortion provision was in Washington in the 90s but I have to imagine given where Twin Peaks is supposed to be set. It wouldn't be that far I guess. But we don't know exactly what Lucy is thinking or was going through mine at this point why she chose the lie that she did in the same coma.
So this is just like unresolved kind of like oh no what now? It might actually be might actually be Andy's what now? I just love that scene though. The fact that it's also dock a these are dock awards words being given to us over the phone.
That's true. It's not just three men on a fishing trip. Yeah once you put doc like I can hear that and not a word's voice now. But the other thing is Andy has been getting progressively less smart throughout the series.
You think so? I think so. I think it's getting to be like it's getting to a place where it's a little unreasonable to believe that he was hired for his job. And also you have a whole department of people it may not be that many people but why did you choose Andy to run the front desk while Lucy's gone.
Good question. I can say that there's one really good reason why Andy has not two really good reasons why Andy has a position he does. Number one he's an excellent sketch artist that's demonstrated again in this episode. He is fucking fantastic at it.
Number two Andy inadvertently has made lots of breaks in this case. Okay but that does not explain why he would have been hired to this case. Look maybe they just had the right feeling about him. Maybe they like did his like star chart when he applied and artists like this guy's like you know he's like a lucky rabbit foot for the Twin Peaks Sheriff's department.
We don't know what other success Andy has brought to the Sheriff's department prior to the investigation. He just does this for every case. I think he might be breaking at the high school calling Andy maybe he'll figure out who did it. And then he like slips on a banana peel that also like that actually happens to trip the culprit so you know could be.
We don't know. All right. Where's my Andy prequel novel? But still why is he running that desk?
That's clearly very overwhelming. Clearly does not have an organizational system down. And then the question also becomes like why did Lucy write down the number of the abortion clinic? Why does she mislabel it?
I mean I have my own considerations but like that's not you don't leave that for Sheriff's room and say if you need me I'll be here. And then they call that number and it's an abortion clinic. Yeah. No, no, I do not do not know.
That's all I have to say on that subject and kind of on the episode unless you can think of anything that we haven't discussed yet. We're like not gonna make it to an hour. Well hey we surprised ourselves last week. It's just so happens that this episode I think you felt that last week's episode not a lot happened.
This episode is just the act of things happening. Like little advancements like we get a sense of like why this Tajamurra character is here. We get a little bit of advancement on Andy and Lucy's plotline. We get some hamfist attempts to steal the diary but not to actually steal the deal.
This is after last week's episode. It was called Florida's Secret Diary. Then again these episode names like came out of the fact so it's maybe a little unfair. But it's just like a lot of events finally being set in motion and I think you know the worst offender being you know let's go save Audrey should have happened two or three episodes ago.
Not now. So that's my thought on it. Did you feel like this episode was strong or do you just think it wasn't very eventful? It felt like there was a lot going on.
Like I didn't come out of it being like there's a fucking know them to talk about like I did last week. But also everything that happened was so straightforward. They set out to rescue Audrey. They rescued Audrey.
They set out to steal the diary and that didn't happen but like we knew that that was not gonna happen. We knew that the mystery teens are just incompetent. Also Harold went through a lot of effort to build that secret compartment into his bookcase. That is my one final note.
I think that was him building it. I think that you could probably like it's like a skymall purchase. Does he have access to skymall? He doesn't leave his house.
Can you get a subscription to skymall? Look I'm I'm sure there has to be this maybe a little bit I want to do is maybe bordering on insensitive. I don't think it is. I think if you are afraid to go outside there is probably a magazine a shop at home magazine catering exactly to your needs and probably that magazine also seems that if you don't want to go outside maybe you have a lot of secret side.
So how about this like hidden compartment books. I want to see if there is a magazine for a gore folks. Here is something I know for a fact now that there are fucking uber rich people who will buy and install in their homes fucking revolving bookcases and shit. That's so much trouble to go through and he's probably living on social security disability.
We don't know is he selling those orchids? I guess I got a good question. How does Harold Smith survive? How does he make money?
He's not a pretty nice house. So he's got fancy flower equipment. He's got a nice little house in Twin Peaks. He grew up in Boston.
He's got some old Boston money coming his way. Also he could be selling those dope ass orchids. Those dope ass orchids. I don't know if it's something about the orchids having a curse but they're pretty cool to me.
Do you see the one with the bottom lip? Pretty great. Pretty chill. Some pretty chill orchids.
So I don't know. But he's creepy. Like with Laura's diary he's still a creepy person. He has creepy stuff going on in his house.
Yeah. He's kind of a Scooby-Doo villain. His conceit. His life goal is like he wants to assemble the stories of other people's eyes.
And that's just kind of creepy. Pretty creepy. Is that how we have to say? That's it.
I'm not going to get into any kind of speculation as Harold representative of the impulse of the creator trying to create and or capture live stories and experiences. But that itself is a corrupting force in one's life that leads you to shut yourself from others and retreat back into a state of being that is less than healthy. You're doing a pretty good job with that theory. That's all I have to say.
I don't really think that either. I don't think that there's a big symbolic. You know, you can thrust behind Harold. Harold is Harold is the Boo Radley of Twin Peaks.
That's what it is. There we go. Anyway. Yeah, you can make an art.
Coast out of Watchmen on bookshelves now. He's the he's the Flanor of Twin Peaks. But the what? The Flanor.
The French word. They go out and the flaniers go outside. Yeah. That's about their whole deal.
So he's definitely not that. I know but he's doing it within the limits of his condition. He's doing the best he can right now. I just fulfill his purpose as a Flanor.
I'm sorry. Don't think that there's a screen that just observes people. That is the definition of that word. I say that's fair.
But part of that has to be that you also have to wander the city streets. That's what like that's what the flanor is. I don't think so. I think that's the primary of it.
Because listeners please wait in on whether the wandering around is a secondary aspect of the definition of Flanor or a primary aspect of the definition of a creepy weird intellectual dude who just observes people. I give it to you if Harold frequently pays around his apartment. But he doesn't. So that's what counts.
It's the pacing. The pacing is really important, I think. It's that weird introspective, but also like, weirder-stick. It's like, sonder-ing.
Maybe he has like a rear window thing going on. A rear view window thing. A what? Rear view window.
I thought it was just called rear window. Maybe it's called that. I don't know. Rear view window is just part of your cold car.
I got scared that I had the name wrong. Is that weird? It's okay. We get funny wrong on this podcast.
But maybe, you know. That said, let's talk about either the internet getting things wrong. Or maybe let's talk about the place that we got our food to speak from getting something wrong. I'll leave that for you.
It was directed by Graham Clifford, who is an Australian director, who's won Emmy nominations. Academy award nominations. No wins yet. But good for him.
Solidish episode. And Barry Pullman wrote this. He has written for Roswell. Okay.
So maybe also in creepy stuff. Is that it? Just Roswell? No, no, no.
He's written for a bunch of other shows that are not popular and would not. Okay. Cool. So using that this week, I should note that someone at this time did a poll of who people believed killed Laura.
And at this point, the tides have turned to a place that we can't go because that's a spoiler for future episodes. They're correct. I don't even know what you're talking about. Okay.
Anyway, someone wrote glad to see Cooper had no qualms about hitting a woman or his fight with Nancy, which I found very disturbing. Yeah. What the hell? What's wrong with you?
Glad that I could read my misogynist impulses into Cooper's actions of self-defense. Gendered equality means punching women, right? That's what gender equality is. And then someone made the comment that Harold would love Usenet, which I think is true because he's a creep.
That's the most probably sadly self-reflective Usenet pose to be encountered thus far. Hey, I really identify with this orchid guy. He seems kind of shut off and he doesn't have any real friends. He's hanging out with Donna after all, which is fucking straight up bottom of the barrel.
But also he has to hang out with whoever comes to his house. He cannot go to people. This is why Harold would be having, if Shelley was doing the Meals on Wheels, Harold would have already gotten over his Goraphobia. He'd be out.
He'd be enjoying himself. He'd be starting a community garden between people and stuff. I don't know. So far, his track record is he had Laura who had tons of problems, was not good to be around.
And now Donna, who just within 10 minutes of media... She's just a bearer of Laura's issues. Yeah. Also, just like, Tina's meeting was just like, okay, I'm already starting to play on how to fuck this guy over.