The real danger is the gap BETWEEN two robots | E29

This Week In Startups is made possible by:PaypalToday’s show:Anthropic gave AI agents hands, allowing them to control real-world equipment like robots and microscopes… but is it safe to give autonomous agents their own lasers? Gatik’s Gautam Narang says the real danger isn’t one machine like this going rogue, it’s the exploit surface hiding in the gaps between the machines.Plus, in a huge week for AI news… OpenClaw shipped its biggest release ever. AND the entire industry debated whether or not agents are forming “civilizations.”On TWiAI Ep 29, our expert panel — including Gautam (Gatik), Russ d’Sa (LiveKit), and Billy Kraft (Path) — explores the world of “multiplayer agents,” and Jason suggests the one killer feature that would make any new agentic app the market leader. PLUS Perplexity’s new “Hybrid Compute” just for Macs, some advice for Apple’s new CEO John Ternus, the value of “AI Detectors” like Pangram, and Jason’s complete guide to tipping and over-tipping.Guests:Gautam Narang on X: https://x.com/gautam_narang?lang=enGatik: https://www.gatik.ai/Russ d’Sa on X: https://x.com/dsaLiveKit: https://livekit.com/Billy Kraft on X: https://x.com/billykraftPath: https://path.dev/Relevant Links:OpenClaw 2.0 - https://openclaw.ai/blog/openclaw-2-accidentallyGrok Bot — https://grok.comBuzz — https://buzz.buildPerplexity Hybrid Compute — https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/introducing-hybrid-compute-on-macJohn Ternus — https://www.apple.com/leadership/john-ternus/OpenAI's Mac mini / Mac Studio buying spree https://the-decoder.com/openai-and-rival-ai-labs-are-buying-tens-of-thousands-of-mac-minis-to-train-computer-use-agents/Waymo hits a child — https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/waymo-nhtsa-crash-child-school.htmlTimestamps:2:58 OpenClaw 2.05:11 "Agents ARE AI"7:27 Billy: OpenClaw is still too technical for business users9:00 Slack Code, and collaborative prompting10:40 Multi-agent orchestration and Stripe's "minions"14:13 Slack's moat, switching costs, and the Salesforce rebound15:11 Jason's "Oracle": a heads-up display for the whole company18:42 The Hugging Face breach: who's responsible when agents go rogue?19:42 Perplexity launches Hybrid Compute — local models on your Mac21:39 Why unmetered local tokens change corporate behavior26:57 Gatik's Autonomous Vehicle AI Stack32:22 Jason's Tesla FSD stories34:05 Are AV companies being pushed to move too fast?41:38 Trucking is a "have to have," robotaxis are a "nice to have"42:36 Jason's fix: a safety driver for the first million rides46:50 Why physical AI's adoption curve runs in decades52:21 Anthropic's Model Hardware Standard (MHS), explained1:06:27 How Jason got onion rings on the menu at Buck's of Woodside1:09:05 AI detectors under fire: Pangram, MIT, and the handwritten diary1:15:20 Why AI is "very mid" at writing (it learned from the average)1:17:11 The Orin Kerr test: Pangram catches Claude writing as Kerr1:28:35 Micro Duck and designing robots with Claude1:29:42 Phil Kaplan's $14 custom circuit boardsSubscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpFollow Lon:X: https://x.com/lonsFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisCheck out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarlandCheck out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanisFollow TWiST:Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartupsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartupsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartupsSubstack: https://twistartups.substack.com