The Real Rebel in Ezekiel 28 Isn’t Adam—The Fallen Cherub Exposed (Part 2) | Ep. 16 episode artwork

EPISODE · May 5, 2026 · 35 MIN

The Real Rebel in Ezekiel 28 Isn’t Adam—The Fallen Cherub Exposed (Part 2) | Ep. 16

from Theology in the Underworld · host Hans Moscicke

In the conclusion of this two-part series, we dig deeper into one of the most debated passages in the Old Testament: Does Ezekiel 28 describe a primordial human (Adam) or God’s anointed cherub — a divine cosmic rebel?I share my first serious encounter with this text under Greg Beale at Wheaton, why the Adam view fits neatly into certain theological systems, and why I ultimately landed on the cosmic rebel interpretation. We examine:•The Baal-Athtar myth and the striking parallels with Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28•Why the gemstones in Ezek 28 do not match the high priest’s breastplate•The shining, radiant imagery of the cherubim in Ezekiel 1 & 10•How the rebel’s attributes (full of wisdom → filled with violence; cast to the ground before kings) fit the Nachash far better than Adam•The crucial distinction between human sin and cosmic hubris — and why it matters for how we understand evilThis episode is about more than exegesis. It’s about recovering the Bible’s own category for supernatural evil that stands behind the worst of human pride and violence.If you haven’t watched Part 1 yet, start there first (episode 15).What do you think — is Ezekiel 28 ultimately about Adam or a divine rebel? Drop your thoughts below 👇Chapters:0:00 – Genesis 3 vs. Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28 (Human vs. Cosmic Hubris)0:37 – Welcome & Series Intro (Part 2 of Ezekiel 28)0:59 – Personal Story: My First Encounter with Ezekiel 28 under Greg Beale at Wheaton2:25 – Why the Adam View Fits So Well in Reformed/Calvinist Theology (Total Depravity)3:11 – What We Lose with the Adam Interpretation5:41 – Quick Review of the Two Main Points from Part 1 (Masoretic Text & Isaiah 14 Consistency)7:28 – Point 3: The Five Striking Parallels with the Baal-Athtar Myth12:51 – Point 4: The Gemstones — Why They Don’t Point to the High Priest’s Breastplate19:35 – The Shining Cherubim of Ezekiel 1 & 10 (Radiance, Stones of Fire, Sacred Space)24:46 – Point 5: “Full of Wisdom” Then “Filled with Violence” — Fits the Nachash, Not Adam26:27 – Point 6: “Cast to the Ground” and “Exposed Before Kings” — Again, Fits the Nachash Better28:48 – Point 7: Strong Scholarly Precedent for the Cosmic Rebel View (Even Though It’s a Minority)29:13 – Full Summary of All Seven Points31:35 – Final Theological Payoff: Why This Distinction Between Human Sin and Cosmic Evil Matters32:52 – Closing Thoughts#ezekiel #biblicaltheology #theology #divinecouncil #jesusisking #heiser #unseenrealm

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