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The Return of Fyre Fest

from Jason Ellis 2.0 · host Jason Ellis

Kite flying scandal, faking sign language, and the return of Fyre Fest. Jason Ellis and Michael Tully catch up on a lot. Website: https://www.theJasonEllis.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ellismate -- Jason Ellis @wolfmate Katie Ellis @underwearwolf Michael Tully @tullywood Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All the total, lovely, god of nice. He's probably cool, that he took into school and that's cool. Welcome to the show. Oh hell.

Hey, welcome to the show. Here we are. Shout out to my friend Toby for my shoes. I feel cool every time I wear them and because I didn't pay for them, it makes sense.

Because I don't have respect for shoes. I like shoes, but I'll do stuff like I was trying to make the sauna today, put the sauna together. I've been trying to unpack the house. I finally feel like I have enough energy to finish the house.

I feel like moving and all the things that happened. Just we just moved in and we made the bed and the kids' rooms and stuff. I understand. The garage has just been this stack of crap.

Yeah, my house is about 80% set up. I've lived there for four and a half years. Okay, I feel good. Okay, so garage was not set up at all.

So then I put all the mats down yesterday, took the sauna out and put it in the backyard. And then I realized the heavy bag should be where the sauna is. And the heavy bag is 240 pounds, just the bag. That takes two people.

So I had to wait for a friend to help me today. But yesterday I moved all the stuff out and put all the MMA mats in. And then I realized that there's no room for all the stuff that I took out. It has to just go back in over the gym that I just made.

So that frustrated me and I put it all back in in a messy way. Because I was like, so you're telling me every time I want to work out in my garage, it's about 45 minutes of taking stuff out. I got to figure out something. I got storage.

I didn't even realize I said to Katie, I was like, we got to put something in storage. We got to get storage. She's like, we have storage. I was like, well, that's convenient.

If I'm already paying for it and there's room to put that stuff in. Camping gear, Michael. How many times do you do I go camping? I think of you as an avid campfire.

Right. I think of you as the kind of guy who... I'm like a Layla brother. Sure, everybody gets that reference.

Ah, so Layla brothers. Googling. And say, hey, Katie, what say we sleep in the front lawn tonight? Mm-hmm.

That's what we should be doing. Yeah, I'll catch us a squirrel. I've got, I think, three-tenths. Which is handy because...

Yeah. I don't know. I'm not camping. I don't know anybody that's going camping.

But I have three-tenths. Right. And I'm not going camping with anyone. I'm not going camping, but I'm doubly not going camping with anyone else.

Right. Oh my God. Yeah. I don't really want to camp with my family.

If I was going to camp, it'd probably just be... I was going to say me storming off. I guess the more likely scenario is me getting kicked out of the house. I liked camping when I was a kid because when you got your own tent, it was like the first time you had your own house.

Right. But now that I have my own house, the more... Right. Yeah, the allure's gone.

Right. Because a house, there's so many things that are better than a tent. A house is like a gigantic tent. But nice.

With a floor. Yeah, floor. And television. Yeah, that television and that plumbing.

Yeah. Let me tell you, after a while, and that tent, what do you miss it? Right. Also, that I don't need to build.

Campers are so offended. That's right. I'm like, how fun? Hey, more urban grind for us.

So, this... I sleep in all kinds of stuff. Andix. I was in the hammock and I had a fly screen thing over the top of it.

So I was encapsulated and I rolled over in the night and my face was up against the mesh instead of the thing that you lie on. And all the mosquitoes could get to one side of my face and they ate my face. I woke up in the morning with banana back. You know, when you get you slept in a reverse banana?

No. Like in a back arch that was in a hammock with my stomach. Oh, yeah. So I was like, that was my face.

Mosquitos, bit all this. And back breaking stretch thing, but it was Easter. And I remember waking up looking for chocolate with a swollen face. Aw.

I didn't care because chocolate rabbits make mosquito bites go away. I don't know if you knew that. Well, all this explains why you're so excited about your sneakers. Good.

Because I wrote that down. That's what I wanted to do to explain that one thing. I just love Toby. I just think it's super...

He's such a good friend. He makes me feel good about myself because he's such a good person. Can't hear outdoorsy, right? Camps all the time.

I'm constantly camping. While you guys were talking about camping, I heard a bunch of children and I was like, why children so loud? And there was a mob of maybe 10 teens to pre-teens. Do we have fans?

Are the kids T.R. elegans? They were about to... Well, they knew Jake Paul.

Yeah. They were breaching the gate. They were opening the gate to come in the yard and then I went and put my face in the window and they all ran. Excuse me, I'll go commit some crimes against minors.

What are they trying to do in my house? They come and they f*** around in the yard. I was told to respect you a front yard and do what? A cursed story.

Wow. There's a tire swing. Swing swing. Yeah.

They like to play on the swing and I don't like them in my yard and they know it. Why don't you booby trap it? I thought about it. Put poopy on the rope.

Ooh. Poopy on your hand in a swing is like, you'll never go there again. That's such a good idea. Thank you.

What if I just put turds on the seat? Is it a salt if you shoot them with the salt gun? Is it a salt? Yeah, it's a salt assault.

Yeah, but it's not a salt assault. Yeah. You're guilty of seasoning. Will the police arrest me for shooting them with the salt gun?

You're guilty of seasoning a minor. Bug a salt. If anybody wants to... Is there anybody listening that's a police officer?

Yeah, for sure. I know if you're wearing the bug a salt gun and I shoot a child who's interested in my domain. I was never even deputized to go help track down an outlaw. For sure.

Yeah. What if I spray them with a hose? What about a boomerang? And I go, all night.

This is, you know what I mean? This is how Australians say hello. I think you could probably... You misread that.

A compelling case that you were practicing your religion. That would be my boomerang. Worshiping your god with your boomerang. Every afternoon I come out and...

Yes. Your Australian god... Is koala beads. And he's a giant koala.

You just need a statue of a koala holding a foster stick. And he has a big belly. He's like, what's the guy with the beads? The girl's gone wild dude?

No, people pray to him. They're a brady. Joe Francis? No, the bald, he's a monkey looking guy.

Bald monkey looking? He makes statues of him. People? Who?

People. The rapper? He's probably had some beads. No.

Are you looking for Buddha? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a monkey looking dude with beads. Yeah, man.

He wears bead necklaces. He wears like a towel for a t-shirt. I think you've been shopping at the discount Buddhist store. What do you talk about?

Some off-brand Buddas. Buddha is a fat guy, right? Mm-hmm. He doesn't have beads anywhere.

He does the leg-crossing thing when he sits. Yeah, he might have invented that. It's possible. We should be saying Buddhist style when you sit like that.

Right. Yeah, but he seems pretty cool, but koala bee is cooler. Even cooler. Yeah.

Because he has like gum leaves and stuff. He's like Buddha, but stoned. I get it. Confining all the best elements of Buddhism, Rassafarianism, and your homeland.

Yeah, yeah. And best of all, you get to hit kids with boomerangs. He's loving vegemite. Yeah, and you can wing boomerangs at kids for entering your house.

There are so many things going on in the world that we've got. Is there anything going on in your life that we need to talk about before we? Yeah. Okay, great.

It might be time. Death-eye is playing it at Elismania. Well, this is the first time hearing of that. Right.

But that's it. Hell freezes over. That's the name of the new one. Not in this lifetime.

That was, no, the Eagles reunion tour was not, was Hell freezes over. Oh, kids right. Right. And were they the one that picks fly?

We could be pigs fly because the GNR was not in this lifetime. Yeah. And one of them, it might have been the Eagles where they actually constructed technically it was separate stages because they all swore they would never stand on the same stage again for the rest of their lives. Okay.

Or maybe that was Crosby Stills National. The Eagles are so annoying. Yeah, agreed. I'm over all of them.

Yeah. Yeah. The singer who lives up and is always angry at people for salmon like him. Yeah.

You were really influential. Don't be so bitter about it. And I just found out that Don Henley. Don Henley.

Don Henley. Of the Eagles. The drummer singer. He sang Hotel California.

I can't see you. That is American to me. Hotel California. It's like the accent and everything.

Yeah. That's just like America. It just sums it up. Even though it's kind of a Mexican Reggae song.

Is it? Yeah. It is a bit of a reggae. Yeah.

It is a bit of a border thing. But you really California set up. Yeah. Even though none of the Eagles are actually from California.

No way. Todles. But I just found out that this made me a little bit more nuanced and sounded on first blush with all due respect to the great Don Henley. Don Henley.

Paramedics where one's called to his house to resuscitate a 16 year old that was passed out because of all the Coke and Ludes that were in his house. Oh. Yeah. And then he got it.

1969. That's Brian Adams. He got charged for like endangering. Brian Adams, Canadian.

He is. And he was just, like, by providing cocaine and Ludes to a 16 year old and then there was a 15 year old at a 16 year old who also got arrested at the house party because one of them got arrested for drug possession and one of them got arrested for prostitution. Oh no. Which is the question what 15 and 16 year old Coke using prostitutes were doing at time Henley's house.

Seems way more dangerous to be the youth in that era. In the 80s? Yeah. There's no doubt about it.

Like, it's got to be way harder to do that there. Like, it's not like three different bands had songs called Jalbate. At least Newjint and Aaron Smith did. And I want to say because I disparaged Henley elsewhere and I want to take this opportunity to say, I think what happened is that Eagles had broken up and they were having a farewell party that he hosted at his house.

And like, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You are not responsible for everyone at your house when it's the Eagles Farewell party. And he says, sure, maybe somebody invited a madam. And sure, maybe she showed up with 15 and 16 year old prostitutes, but there was a lot of guys at that party and it wasn't me.

And I knew it was a bad scene when I found a 16 year old passed out because she OD'd on my floor. And I could have tried to cover it up, but it was in an effort to do the right thing and make sure she survived. I jumped on the grenade, called the cops and took all the charges. So maybe Don Henley was just sitting over there thinking about how great drumming is while the 15 and 16 year old prostitutes were using all the cocaine and loots.

It's possible. It's just weird that you have a party and a 16 year old prostitute finds it. Well, it's not that hard for a 16 year old prostitute to find your party when somebody calls a madam and says, can you bring us your finest 15 and 16 year old prostitutes? Yeah.

Yeah. I see what you're putting down. Yeah. It was a different time.

I mean, they probably still do that. Yes. But I think it has different. It's a game, Michael.

Thanks. Think about it. It's just not mainstream. You know, I don't think.

Yeah, OK. So it might have been people had 16 year old girlfriends back then. Yeah, exactly. It moved them across state lines and tried to get their parents permission to marry them and said things like, wow, I'm 16 and hard.

Wait, look at him. Oh, at least now people. It's a good argument. Look at his burner.

It seems pretty useful. People do that now, at least know that they're creeps and act accordingly. Right. OK.

Different story. Speaking of rock and rolling, this lady rocked so hard that like she rolled down a hill. Oh, it's maybe at the end. OK.

This lady went to a Marilyn Manson concert. Marilyn Manson. I got it. She rocked very, very hard.

She apparently drank fairly heavily. He insists. And it's like the spirit of the devil. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Right, because Satan is real and Marilyn Manson is possessed. You might say it's Marilyn Manson's fault for saying things like, I want to see you guys get crazy tonight. Yeah.

It wasn't an idea. Right. Now you were just sitting there enjoying a same kind of beautiful people. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, I was like, I need you to get crazy. And you're like, well, if you say so, Mr. Manson. So she she drove home.

I think this isn't away. After the concert, she remained crazy. She drove. She gets visually crazy.

I think it's cool to blame Marilyn Manson. I don't know if he's did he say drive crazy out to the show? That'd be a weird request. Why did you guys drive crazy out of the way?

Oh, wow. On the freeway. Now she, I might have my details a little bit wrong. Who cares?

Drove into a house. Which that's pretty bad. Caused the house to explode. Which caused several other houses to explode.

That's impossible. Which cause embers to go airborne. Which caused additional houses to catch on fire. All in all, she was directly and indirectly responsible for about 10 houses blowing up.

Like seven people getting injured. And maybe they're plating. These are the person a little bit between, I think, $10 and $15 million worth of damage. Nice.

She blame it on Marilyn Manson? No, she's blaming it on the venue for serving her. That's not how that works. She got convicted and sentenced to like three years in jail.

That sounds about right to me. That sounds pretty healthy. That's fine. I don't know if there's a fine involved.

Do you pay back those houses or what? I don't think you could possibly. No, I would assume that they're either you have your insurance or their insurance. I don't want to get into the technicalities of, you know, once you exceed your limit, who's technically responsible for it.

But no, I don't think she was supposed to be like utterly financially ruined by this. It's what about everybody that goes to the football game and stuff. They can't blame the football. They serve alcohol there.

You can't get a DUI and blame the football game. I do think that you will see signs occasionally saying we will refuse to serve visibly intoxicated people. There is a general sense out there that a venue has a responsibility to not serve the visibly already over served. Unless she's got a video of her.

What about if you think they're going to Uber home? I think it's Marilyn Manson. But I think you kind of have to assume the words that they just don't. They don't.

And that's why like at sports games is really typical that they'll just stop even serving beer my two thirds of the way. Oh, hockey game. Maybe first two periods, none in the third period. Baseball game, no beer after the seventh inning.

Oh, okay. It's kind of a thing. But she was, it doesn't say anything here about fines. She was, she pled guilty, was sentenced to a three year prison sentence and sentence.

And now her and her daddy have filed a lawsuit against Ovation's Ontario Food Services. They are liable. What about if you're really large? Can you sue somebody for serving you food?

Oh, the suit claims that the company shares liability because it kicked her out of the venue without trying to prevent her from driving home. So she wasn't about rural hammered. Right. Yeah.

Kick them out and then make sure they get an Uber. That's what you're supposed to do. I guess so. Seems a bit.

Yeah. Seems like ultimately at the end of the day, grownups are supposed to handle their own business. Yeah. And if you kick me out, I don't want to listen to your advice.

No, I'm all fired up on the. If you're like getting out getting an Uber, I'm definitely not getting an Uber. No, I'm fine. You kick me out.

Yeah. Get me a corn dog. That's what I would want. Speaking of corn dogs with alcohol in them.

So you can get tanked on corn dogs. Who's got the time to alternate? What's I'm saying? See people dip corn dogs in beer.

People are monsters against that. A famous legendary wiener man statue. Mm hmm. The legendary statue where they have a man's little concrete penis.

Your wife tells me she's met the wiener man. Wait, you know the wiener man? I know the wiener man. Who's the wiener man?

What do you like to know? I do want to know. The pride of West Virginia. I would like.

He might be what passes for a monument there. Wait, he's a hot dog man. He's a wiener guy. Oh.

He's a wiener man. Yeah. Does he have sneakers? Is he standing on balls?

I mean, does he's hot dog get bigger at the bottom? It's just an angle. Okay. I think it's just the bottom of his wiener.

It's like he's got a huge dick. Well, it's like he's a huge dick that somehow has a huge dick. It's like an optical illusion. He's like a sick.

Do they make a vest like this? Because they really ought to. A bun vest? It doesn't have to be a bun, but just something that's also a vest for your legs.

Yeah. But that allows all of your primates to be 100%. I see a percent. Yeah.

That's pretty sexy. He's a pretty hot dog. Yeah. That would be pretty, pretty won't.

So I don't know if I have the chronology exactly, but I think what happened is the, this is like a famous hot dog place. Is that correct, Katie? Oh, I'm not sure about this particular hot dog. But this hot dog man, there's several of these.

Like Juan Depot, the hot dog stand there. They'll have one. He gets around. He always has that same purposeful look of determination as he dumps ketchup on his own head.

Does he have mustard in the other hand? He does. And he's got the eye of the tiger. This guy is serious about making himself as much as possible.

But mustard is precoming. It's pretty pretty. It's pretty pretty. It's sour me.

I mean, he's naked with a bun jacket on. Just pouring condiments all over his naked body. Like he wants it. Yeah.

He's like a one man bachelor part. What's the beef with this guy? I see what you did there. There was a fire at this West Virginia hot doggery.

And I think maybe he was hot doggery. And he was inside. And I think some, some there do wells took advantage of the opportunity to run in while the place was not operational. They actually started to go find me to try to save their hot doggery.

Oh, wait. Did they steal hot dog? Somebody ran in and stole hot dog guys. Could it not be considered a saving hot dog man?

I think the fire was out by them. Oh, okay. But, I mean, I don't think the person who runs the hot doggery is live in high on the island. They offered, they said he's a local legend.

It's hot dog guy, this wiener man. And they offered a reward of $400. No, I'm keeping it. Well, that's worth more than $400 for me.

I think by that in the studio right now, I'd be pumped. Well, you said they have my home people. Let's get a wiener man in here. Can we get a wiener man, Katie?

I bet we could acquire one. The one that I saw at Home Depot was like a part of the wiener cart there. I don't want a wiener cart. That's right.

That's what a wiener man. I just want straight up wiener. He was there to tell you. I feel you, Michael.

Hot dogs are so good, man. I don't think that. They're so underrated. Hot dogs are good.

If we're just throwing a barbecue in the backyard and you're not like a chef, you're not doing anything special, you're throwing patties on the grill and throwing dogs on the grill, I'm here to say that one is just as good as the other. No. Your hot dogs are pretty bad. And onion rings are better than french fries.

No. I came for this real estate. I can't say. Of course they're there.

Potatoes are like glorious. I come from potato people. So I guess we both come from potato people. I came for this realization that a barbecue comes from onion people.

Comes from onion people. I feel like onions come from the same place as potatoes. You might be wrong. They seem pretty good.

If you want to grow something, those guys seem like they want to excel. Right. They're not like these namby, pamby mangoes. The pandas of growing vegetables.

That's right. Potatoes and onions are the rats and the mice. Cock of a vegetable. I came to these fast food related conditions this morning.

We went looking for fossils this weekend. I should have brought one. You've ever thought about doing a TV show about you finding fossils? I am enthralled.

What happened next, Michael? We found 15 million year old shark teeth. 15 million years old. How do you know?

I know because I carbon dated them myself. No, you didn't. Do you have a carbon data? Are you accusing the guy?

Yes, I do. No, you don't. You have a carbon data? Are you accusing the guy running out every morning and throwing a bunch of teeth in his backyard?

That's how he did. Yeah, it's called shark tooth hill. Freaking out right in the man. If you just spend enough time on dirt.

No, it's dirt. You threw all the... It's dirt and it has actual 15 million year old teeth and little bits of 15 million year old porpoise. You bought it.

No, we found them. It's like you don't understand what the natural world is. I don't know what the natural world is. I mean, you were outside in the outro.

Yes, I went to. You found 15,000 year old shark teeth. There I was at Disneyland purchasing Fisher Price Shark teeth from Willy Wonka. Seated boy.

You did buy it. I got my fingers are still all roughed up from foraging on my hands and knees for prehistoric shark teeth. At Disneyland? In Bakersfield.

Which could not be further from Disney. Where all the shock, where all the fossils are? Yes, because the entire West Coast of America millions of years ago was underwater. Nah.

But supposedly now man is making the ice melt. I actually don't understand how it is true that we're making it worse, but it used to be a trillion times worse. I saw Leonardo DiCaprio tell me that the ice caps are 2100. We're done.

Yeah. I finally finished. I don't know what that means though. I got to know what to do.

Just like anything. Distanced. There's almost even standing still in your home. You're contributing to the problem.

So someone is probably a bad idea. The worst. I mean, the only thing worse would be literally dump it on top of a iceberg. Right.

Yeah. One more. One of the time in Hollywood. Yeah, it's fun.

It is fun. I couldn't do it in one sitting, huh? I was watching it on a plane. We landed.

Can I spoiler alert it? Yeah, I'm sorry. Right. I was thinking more of the millions of people who will be enjoying this.

Millions. So, Inglorious Basterds. Yeah. Brad Pitts and that too.

Right. Right. Critical point. Yeah.

What? Tarantino made it. Brad Pitts in it. Hitler goes to a movie or something and Brad Pitt sets the whole movie theater on fire and kills all the Nazis, including Hitler, right?

Yeah. Historically. It is. I think if we can do it sometime in Hollywood, I can probably do it in Gloria's picture.

Brad Pitt kills. Yeah. Right. In actual fact, Hitler did not burn down in a movie theater but actually killed millions of people and it was a really, really bad dude.

What? Yeah, the actual real life Hitler. Spoiler alert. What?

Hitler did not die in a theater fire. Oh. How did he die? I thought he didn't die.

I thought like... I know. I think Tim Kennedy was looking to see if... Because many real talk a lot of Nazis did escape.

Man to man. Talking to man to man. I think the number of high ranking Nazis did manage to get out of Germany. Yeah, they went to...

And they went to Argentina I think. Of course. Knowing that they would be prosecuted, prosecuted as war criminals, they got lost and they laid low. And that's like a true fact.

So there's always been the idea that maybe Hitler was one of the ones that got away. I think most mainstream historians believe that Hitler and his dog and his secretary wife, Ava Brown, took suicide pills and died in a bunker underneath Berlin. But not before perpetrating World War II and killing millions of Jews, right? Yeah.

So it was sort of like a wishful filmant thing that somebody like a Brad Pitt, an American hero, might have saved the world from that. Right. And the point of time in Hollywood is about the Manson murders. Only in this case, the Manson family gets lost, actually goes into the house next door.

Who's waiting there? Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt. Kills them all.

The Manson murders never happen. You're saying the front pit was really around for both those areas that we wouldn't have had those travices. I'm saying that Quentin Tarantino apparently has some sort of man crush on Brad Pitt. Who does it?

I'm asking is every one of his movies now just going to end with Brad Pitt preventing a historical atrocity. I'm okay with that. I guess the next one going to be him killing John Luke's booth or something. I would watch that.

I think we all probably will. I would like it if you killed that dude that ate people. Dude that ate. He's so hot right now.

Oh, Dommar. Yeah. Like doing a new one where he's eating people. Ooh, Brad Pitt's gay.

Yeah. And Brad Pitt beats his ass like he did Bruce Lee. Why does Quentin Tarantino hate Bruce Lee? He didn't even meet him.

Bruce Lee is a little silly. I can see where somebody may have wanted to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great.

He seemed like he was a little high in his own farts. I can see where somebody may have said we've been putting this guy in a pedestal for all these years. Can I point out that he's a little goofy too? Yeah.

I mean, he's not as full of it as like Stephen Seagal. He's not as I think Bruce Lee could kick ass a little bit. Prime Lee, Prime Seagal, figuring the way difference obviously. This is a big difference.

Who do you get? I mean, I want to say Bruce Lee. Of course. He's got all those trips and stuff.

But all those little flicky things. I don't do anything. And it's speed. You know, he's not a, he's a guy who's not a kicker.

Are you sure? Didn't he teach someone a kick? Yeah, no, that's not true. But him kicking, I don't think Bruce could be.

I think Bruce can get out of the way of that. Right. He would have to be inside. He'd have to chop down.

Right. And then when he gets inside, he's hands on him. And he is way bigger, way stronger. Yeah, I know Bruce, according to Into the Dragon, did have Jiu Jitsu.

He unbarted some fools in that movie. So ultimately, you think this is Seagal's fight to lose? It's just back in the day when you were a kick ass fighter, you still had a lot of stuff that didn't really work as you weren't really fighting people all the time, like a lot of karate, no offense, but a lot of karate is not that good in a street fight. Yeah, it's a lot of flair.

Let's face it. You know, having a really fast jab and getting back out of the way, you could just win a fight with that in a street fight. But it's usually a grappling match of sorts. And if you have all these weird little trippy things that Seagal has, I don't know, they all look fake to me, Michael.

Every time I've seen a video of him, like, grabbing someone's hand and flipping, grabbing their cuff and making them roll over, it seems like the guy's letting him do it. Well, there's no doubt about that. We've seen the more recent exhibitions that he's done, like in Russia, where they're about. Oh, the real, the guy's really playing along with it.

But I remember reading this exposé on- You could be on that six out of a pound life. Oh, yeah. He's getting up there. Seagal in Spy Magazine a million years ago, like when he was a kind of a new movie star, and they said that he was, even at that point, they were calling BS on his backstory, and, you know, he kind of passes himself off as Italian, but he's Jewish.

And they said that this person had been like- He's Native American as well. He's been on any number of things, that when they brought him in for like a screen test or an audition with Studio Executives for the first time, he was throwing guys all over the place and the person who was telling the story to the magazine said, it was obviously a setup. Yeah. And he said, I just couldn't believe that the Studio Execs couldn't tell.

Yeah. And then we actually have- Because back in the day, doing anything like that was impressive. Right. Do we have video of him ever actually engaging in a contest?

Or we have no doubt that the person is really trying? It's actual thought. It does that exist. I haven't seen it.

No. It's always a seminar. Right. You know, and whenever you're doing the thing where you're in your hands and flipping with somebody else, it's a dance.

Like you're agreeing to do this. Agreed. Okay. You know, if you're fighting somebody, you know, we now know from the MMA where, you know, somebody that has good kicking, it's over.

Pretty quick. If you don't know how to stop that. Yeah. Somebody who has really good hands, it's over.

Pretty quick. You know, spinning kick, you know, wax on and stuff. It's not good for people that have fundamentals. They usually kill you.

Yes. And then when we know about wrestling and jujitsu, there's people out there where if they get their hands on you, there's no winged chung, man. There's no- What all those- To Tiger ones, I don't want to- Who's the guy that was a Hell's Angel that was like on the Stern Show a lot? He had a show at one point, Big Dude.

He was always at all the fights. Famous Chuck Zito. There you go. He knew several different- Whatever it is.

No, he was he bragging about it? Yeah. He knew like white Tiger and stuff. I'm like, you know white Tiger.

Yeah. No. You're saying things that a guy like Howard Stern would believe. Yeah.

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When was this Jason Ellis 2.0 episode published?

This episode was published on February 1, 2023.

Is there a transcript available for this episode?

Yes, a full transcript is available for this episode. You can read the complete transcript on the episode page.

Can I download this Jason Ellis 2.0 episode?

Yes. Use the download control on the episode player to save the publisher-provided media file.
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