EPISODE · Oct 7, 2025 · 23 MIN
The Spectacle Does Matter
from Conversations on Healing & Growth · host Martin Perkins & Ben Umstead
In this episode, Ben interviews Zeke Perkins, a labor organizer with an extensive history over the last 15 years in the protest movement. He shares his experience tracking, recording and interacting with Commander Bovino and his 80 U.S. Border Patrol agents as they moved through Chicago as an occupying army on Sunday, September 28th, 2025.
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