Hi, I'm Holly. And I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Welcome back.
Hello. We had something happen this morning that usually happens to me, but it has happened to Haley and her brother. Yes. Well, this morning I was rudely awakened about 637ish to my dog, freaking out in my bedroom.
And I thought, you know, the cat has disgruntled her. There's been an issue between her and the cat that I need to resolve. So I got her up on the bed and she was like, no. So she's like nudging me.
And then she jumps down and runs the gate and I'm like, oh God, she has to poop. So we went out. She immediately bolts into the yard, poops for five minutes, just liquid. It was gross.
I hope none of you are eating right now. We talk about all kinds of things on the podcast, pooping one of them. So at this point though, because I've moved, so the way my yard is now, it faces the road. So I'm out there in my night shirt.
So just briefly, you know, just graces the type of thighs. Just graces the thighs. So I was like, oh guys, she's out there and I'm like, I have to go out and like, you know, inspect it. Do you?
And make sure it's not like bloody or enough waiting to go to the vet or anything like that. And like, such a run back in the house, fine pants, go back out. I'm blind because I don't have my contacts. And so I'm like, nose to the ground trying to like find the poop.
And it was awful. So got her back in the house, always well, went back to bed for an hour, left her with my brother when I came to Hollies, because I was like, you know, she'll wake him up rather than like pooping downstairs. Turns out she didn't wake him up. So he calls me in a rage.
And he's like, your dog pooped in my room. And I'm like, well, she's not. That's a nice version of it. That's not what he said.
No, no, it was a lot. And I was like, well, she's not waking up. No, she didn't wake me up. Okay.
Okay. Well, the sprays downstairs. If you would like, I'll clean it up when I get home. He's like, well, that's stangs.
I have to clean it up. So I'm like, okay, go get the spray. And he's like, well, it's solid. I'm like, just pick it up then.
Like if it's solid, if it's not like, you know, a liquid form, that's what I deal with all the time is it a liquid form. This is much easier. This is fine. He's like, well, she also peed.
And it's on my clothes. I'm like, well, put him downstairs. I'll wash him when I get home. We'll have to wash my working up for him anyways.
I'll just wash him. Okay. It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right.
It's navigating quite a bit. I'm sorry that this happened to you. This is probably the most tragic thing that's ever occurred in his life. I think it's not.
Let's hope Travis does not have children anytime soon because this pea poop is a constant for years. And I think that if it was his own child or dog, he might feel differently, but Kelly has regressed in her potty training. She is pooping in the house at random. I came home yesterday and she pooped and always in our guest room.
I'm like, but it was a it was a odd consistency. So I was like, you know, she might be not feeling great. Turns out she wasn't. And also maybe a sign for guests.
Like don't come here. Don't come here. The dog poop. This is where I defecate.
Yeah. This is my room. Pack up pitches. Yeah.
Let's see that. So that's just kind of where we're at right now. It's a problem. So I wish you all the best.
Maybe we can send you some type of clinical resources, especially for Travis since he's been through this trauma. Yeah. He's just this was traumatic for Travis. It was trauma trauma with Travis.
Trauma with Travis, a new segment of our podcast. Welcome to trauma with Travis. No, I know that's it's super annoying. So I, you know, it is annoying.
Yeah, I apologize. But I mean, at least it wasn't like three o'clock in the morning. Right. Right.
You know, 11 a.m. That's fine. He's going to be fine, which is a switcheroo. You are here at my house in the daytime.
I am there's light on Friday. I'm not working. You're not working. Yeah.
It's a little crazy. So we were like, well, that's just, you know, knock it out. That's right. And we're not, you know, here at midnight.
Exactly. So we're having coffee and bagels. Yeah. It's a lovely.
Yes. Lovely. Well, you have a story that you were telling you a little bit about. I'm so excited about the story.
I'm really excited about it too. So it just, you know, stories sometimes find you and the story found me and I could not stop. It was so good. So good.
Okay. So if all of you guys are ready, oh, and Kevie out here or side note, I should say. I'm giving over some kind of cold flu, whatever this is. And I sound kind of raspy.
So it's a little, I don't know what to, yeah, raspy is a sick, sick, sexy. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. I'll just raise my hand if I have to horrifically start coughing. I will insert some music. Exactly.
In the background. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's super attractive. All right, Haley, today we're traveling to Memphis, Tennessee in the late 1800s. I'm excited. I love the old times.
Me too. So we are going way, way back. It is 1898 in the Western State Hospital for the insane in Bolivar, Tennessee. A 25 year old woman named Alice Mitchell sits confined in a room convicted of murder, crime of passion.
Okay. Who is this woman accused of insanity in motor? You ask. Glad you asked.
You ask. Alice's life started out very ordinary. She was born November 26, 1872, in Memphis to parents George and Isabella Mitchell. Alice was the youngest of five children, which included two older brothers, Robert and Frank, along with two older sisters, Addie and Maddie.
Cute. And I was thinking like maybe they were twins or maybe the family just liked rhyming names, but anyway, that's really cute. I like that. All of the children.
Alice was the closest with her brother, Frank. The two of them would spend hours playing together. They loved to swing on the rope swing, play with marbles, toss around the football and the basketball. Alice was considered by her family to be much more a tomboy than her two sisters who liked dolls and didn't care to get dirty.
Alice loved target practice. She took her rifle and spent a great deal of time shooting. And when she wasn't target practicing, she was riding her dad's horse and taking care of the horse. They always said that you could find her at the stables.
In an attempt to feminize Alice, her mother would sit her down along with her older sisters and teach her how to sew. Alice wasn't into sewing though, and it never really picked up the craft much to her mother's dismay. Bummer. So you gotta remember the time period we're in here.
It's the late 1800s in Tennessee, so gender roles are pretty solidified at least in the eyes of these individuals. So you know, this is what a girl does, and these are what guys do. Alice, however, was not a conformist, and she had no interest in taking care of a household. And for that matter, she had no interest in boys at all.
And she actually found them very annoying. And as a teenager, when some boy would show interest to her, she would scoff, and she was incredibly rude to them. Yeah. I like her already.
Yeah, she's a tough cookie. I enjoy that. So in actuality, Alice was always attracted to girls. Her family wanted so badly for Alice to be more lady-like that they decided to send her to the Higby School for Young Ladies.
For young ladies. For young ladies. You see, this Higby School was an all-girl institution. That sounds like hell.
That was basically a charm school. Wow. Oh dear, you could learn how to set a table. Your husband will be so pleased.
Ew. I know. Doesn't that sound terrible? And you know, I think charm school, I think, like, a book on your head.
You know, how could posture? I need that lesson. I need that terrible posture. What else would you do?
Yeah, table settings, sewing. How to throw a wonderful swale for the neighbors. Cleaning? Would cleaning be a part of it?
Potentially. Yeah. How to address a letter nicely? How to cross your legs properly.
How do I'm sitting here with my, you know? Okay, me too. Me too. Well, and also possibly to teach you how to like, you know, some self-care thing, like take care of your face and how to properly put on makeup and, you know, basically how to make yourself attractive for a man.
Gotcha. Yeah, that doesn't sound fun. Well, the hope was that Alice would learn how to be a proper lady and would engage in more gender-appropriate activities such as needlework. I like needlework.
I know. You've made some cool things. I love needlework. So clearly you went to the Higby School for a lot of days.
I can set a table. I can do needlework. I'm really bad at sitting properly and have bad posture. So two out of four.
I can clean like nobody's business. I can. I just don't like to. I like to.
I found myself at my friend's last night cleaning and she said, would you stop doing the dishes? I just don't know. I mean, you can come to my house anytime. I'll probably start cleaning.
Yeah. I can't stop. So the plan really backfired on her parents. I mean, let's think about it.
You're sending your essentially lesbian daughter to an all-girls school. It's kind of like sending someone with obesity to a candy factory. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like, okay.
I mean, that's kind of dumb. If you were hoping that she could educate the gay away, I guess it's better than praying it away. I guess, but please put this book on your head to make you straight. I don't know.
If she learned how to properly set a table for a man, it would 100% turn her straight. Definitely. That's how that works. Knowing that the fort goes on the left really changed my life.
Wow. I just all of a sudden decided that the penis was for me. That's what happened. Did I put that fork down?
I was like, yes. That's it. That's it. Penis, please.
Yeah. Yeah. So at school, Alice meets another student by the name of Fred Rika or Frida Ward. Like Alice, Frida was a native of Memphis and attending the school for more refinement.
Frida's sister Josephine, along with her friend, Lily Johnson, were also attending the school. And the four girls became fast friends, but Alice and Frida really hit it off. Before long, the two were seen together all the time. It was said that Alice and Frida were openly hugging, kissing, holding hands and canoeedling in public.
Can't do it. Can't do it. I love that word. And in public.
And in public. Wow. So it wasn't like they were trying to hide it. It was very out there.
Yeah. I mean, was that safe at the time for them to do? As I was researching this, this was very concerning to me because I thought somebody's going to hurt them. Oh my gosh, you know.
So I just want to take a quick minute to just talk about PDA. I don't care who you love. I support that. Go for it.
I don't like PDA. I'm not a big fan of it. No. I would be the one shouting, get a room.
Yeah. When I work with teenagers who in the public schools and at times. We're conceiving babies in the hall. You know, they would if they could.
And at the end of the day, during dismissal, I try to make sure I'm out in our main area, just to be an extra set of eyes and adult person out there. Blow it with them. You know, I got my radio on. I'm like ready to go.
And usually there's like, you know, there's two or three pretty notorious couples that are just, you know, suck and face, real hard core. There's one couple that always buy the trash can. I'm like, nothing says romance. Oh, finally, I was like, you know what?
I just, I can only yell, leave room for Jesus so many times before I must intervene. So I walked over and I just leaned against the trash can and I'm like, hey, I'm doing and they immediately break apart. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, y'all, I mean, I love love.
I do love love, but let's love elsewhere. Let's not love at school or the garbage cans. Or near the trash cans. That's in for her.
Or, you know, and you're also like, full of 15. So it's this magical word I'm going to throw this out to you. Hormones. Yeah.
Hormones. But ladies, please have some dignity. You know, higher standards. Not in front of the trash can.
That's a popular spot. The bench is a popular spot. Yeah, it's just, and always around trash cans. I guess because that's not the area that a lot of people, you know, frequent necessary.
Oh, no, there's always a crowd at the garbage can. Gross. And I'm like, why would you want to make out in front of your friends? Like to be like, hey, it's just odd.
It is weird behavior. It's odd. It's odd behavior. I don't pretend to understand teenagers.
But I do try to keep them from, you know, conoodling too hard in the hallway. Yeah. A gentle hug, a handhold. It's a little quick little pick before you exit the breezeway.
That's appropriate. I'm not going to say anything about that. But when we're just like, you know, smashing face, swapping spit, you know, we got to, it's just not the look. No, it's not.
It's not the, not the vibe. There's the fantasy. Yikes. Anyway, so maybe they were doing just like, you know, quick a pick.
It seems like it was probably a little bit more than that. I mean, I don't know if they were full fledged like getting in front of people, but I think that it was very close. I don't, I don't typically, you know, kiss my friends. See exactly.
That's what I was going to say. Not typically something I do. That's what I was going to say. So actually, you know, wouldn't you assume if they were out in public that folks would consider them a lesbian couple, right?
Like, oh, they're a couple. The answer here is no. Folks viewed their behavior as a very close friendship between girls like sisters. I'm sorry, y'all.
I don't kunudil my sister. I mean, I actually don't have a sister. But if I did have a sister, I wouldn't kunudil her. And the same goes for my friends.
I don't even have she hugs. In fact, last night, my good friend, who is my son's godmother, we call her Tia, that's Ant in Spanish. She said to him before we were leaving, Hey, can I have a hug? And he said, no, but my mom can give you a hug.
So I went up to her and I gave her a big hug and I said, see now it's your turn, you know, but it was so funny because I don't initiate us. I used to, I do more now. And I think since COVID, I do more. Just because I'm like, I think that time of not being able to touch another human.
I tend to initiate hugs a lot more now. But I can't say I have one close friend who's a cultural difference that does like the kiss on the cheek kind of thing. So that's like, that's, but yeah, that's about it. I bring kisses.
You want both cheeks? There's always a, she's a, we do like a, I have seen her in a real time, but we do like a, like the hug and the just like on the, it's really cute. It's adorable. But that's like the only friend contact, I would say.
I do hold my friends hands. Yes, there have been times that I've asked you to hold my hand. Yeah, usually I'm drunk, but yeah, I walk. I mean, like, I have a good friend.
We've talked about her before. Emily, yes, who like just we're both, she's a very like touchy person too. So like anytime we're together, I just like hold her hands. My son had the biggest crush on her.
We used to have a running joke that Emily was his girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's single now.
Well, I mean, he's ready. Yeah. He's, you know, a toddler. He's looking for love.
Yeah. So she's a, she's about six hours away now, but he likes the beach. All right. So back then, their relationship was defined as Chumming Chumming this CH UMMING.
So I, I wondered if this word was related to the word Chumming, you know, like they were Chummy with their neighbors meaning like close friends. So I fired up the old Google and it actually means friendly or to form a friendship. And because the Google is so kind, they provided me with a sentence and the sentence goes, they started Chumming around in high school, which again, also sounds like some kind of sexual act, if you see. Yeah, it could.
It's out to me. It sounds more like, you know, you're just, you're just a, you're their chum. Like it's a well, and it sounds very British as well. So we've just chumming sounds like something that would happen in the Hig Bay School for girls, doesn't it?
Yes, we're chumming. Chumming was actually believed to be a good thing. Because having a practice run at a close relationship would help prepare a girl for the bonds of matrimony. So essentially, if she formed a close and intimate, and I don't mean sexual, but personal, friend relationship, it would help her ease into a close marital relationship.
Because if you think about it, you know, how do you learn to trust outsiders, you know, besides like your own family in a more personal way, like it can probably help you form deeper connections to others in the future. Like, I mean, that does make sense. I'm like, okay, sure. But I digress.
Alice quickly became enchanted with Frida. Now, Frida was all hot to trot for Alice, too. But she didn't have the same kind of love that Alice had. In fact, Frida would often flirt with other people, both girls and boys.
So it kind of seemed like Frida sort of swung both ways. Gotcha. See, Frida viewed Alice as one of the many who were after her affections. Frida was beautiful, very delicate.
She was born March 5th, 1874. And 17 year old Frida was striking with a porcelain face and gentle features. Alice found herself obsessed with Frida. And the very thought of them being together consumed her.
Like that's all she thought about day and night. She thought about Frida. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah.
So see where we're going with this. It's starting to get a little maybe unhealthy. So when Frida's parents announced that they were moving up the river to Gold Dust, Tennessee, some 70 plus miles away, Alice was devastated. Frida tried to explain to Alice that her parents were trying to provide a better life for their family.
Frida's older sister Ada and her husband lived in Gold Dust and were actually doing pretty well for themselves. So they decided this is going to be the right move. Before they got into the riverboat that would take them northward, Alice made Frida promise that the two would continue to visit and stay in contact with each other. This meant writing daily letters, sometimes multiple letters a day.
The two didn't see each other as often as they would have liked because 70 miles, particularly that time it was pretty far. So when they did meet up, they would isolate themselves together for weeks at a time sharing the same bed. You know, just chummy. Just chummy.
Just chumming. While the relationship appeared hot and heavy, when Alice went back to Memphis, Frida started dating men. So Frida started dating men. She had relationships with two different guys.
So I don't know if Frida was forced to date these guys for like show or if she was actually bisexual by curious. I don't know exactly. What I do know is that Frida's older sister Ada didn't like that she spent all this time with Alice. Ada forbade Frida from having any more communication or visits with Alice and she feared that it quote unquote didn't look like rat.
She forbade them. She forbade them because it didn't look right. Didn't look right. Okay.
Frida sadly announces in a letter to Alice that the two can no longer speak to her each other because her sister forbade it. And what sister says goes exactly. This is when Alice devises a plan. She would begin dressing and taking on the identity of a man.
Okay. She would introduce herself to Frida's family as a boyfriend named Alvin. I'm telling you the story so crazy. All right.
And the two would get married. Once married, they would move to St. Louis and start a new life together. Alice would go by Alvin J Ward and would be the main provider would go out and work while Frida managed the home.
Okay. Frida was 100% down with this plan. Hell yeah. Yes.
Alice even sent her a ring in the mail. Yeah. So the plan seemed pretty set in motion. I mean, I wish we could just be who we are.
But I mean, the 1800s, this is like as close as we're going to throw down side is it'll be like a proposal via mail. Can you get a ring in the mail? It's kind of turning but all right. Well, you'll marry me my dearest.
Please write back XO XO. Check yes or no. Check yes or no. A ring will follow.
You know. So like I said, the plan was set in motion. Frida's meddling sister Ada. However, once again, found her secret letters.
Ada. Ada was horrified at the proposal. By the way, I love that. I know she was horrified at this.
And she sent a letter not only to Alice, but to Alice's mother saying she needed to stay away from Frida. And I know how serious this relationship is. And I know what this plan is. And it's not going to happen.
So this was the first time that their true relationship was revealed. So I guess prior to that everybody just was under the notion that they were chumming. Yeah. Kind of sounds like slumming.
Anyway, Alice's mother forbade her to see Frida. Yeah. And without talking to Frida, Alice fell into a deep depression. She rarely left her bedroom.
She barely ate anything. And she could not sleep. She spent the majority of her time heart sick over Frida. She would spend hours looking at a portrait of Frida and rereading their love letters.
Yeah. When Alice did venture out to the mercantile to buy something, she would sign receipts. Frida Ward. Yeah.
She would sign Frida's name. That's weird. Yeah. It's a little, a little creepy.
So now we're at a space where an obsession has met depression. And these two can be a very powerful combination. Alice had heard rumors through mutual friends that Frida still had feelings for her. When Frida would come into town, Alice would just say occasionally, drop by their mutual friends' homes in the hopes of, you know, just running into Frida like, Oh, hey girl, what's she doing here?
How random. Oh, it's me. Alvin, I'm Alice. Remember that box?
Okay. Alice's obsession for Frida escalated. And for the next few days, she began stalking Frida. Oh, that's not good.
She knew that Frida was to board the boat up the river and decided, and got a follower. Alice went back home. She grabbed her father, George's razor blade, and asked her friend, Lily Johnson, you know, the one they had met at school, to take a casual drive with her downtown in Alice's family wagon. Girl, why you need to raise your blade?
Yeah. Alice stopped the wagon at the home where Frida was staying. Okay. She watched or stalk them until Frida, her sister Joe and their friend, Christina, left the house.
Okay. The group of three made their way to the dock where Frida was going to board the steamboat known as the Ora Lee. Okay. Sounds kind of weird to think about it.
The boat would take Frida back to Goldust. Little did the group of three know that Alice and Lily were following in their horse and buggy. Okay. Alice got out of the wagon and told Lily to wait there for her and that she would be right back.
Alice stood behind a pillar and watched as Frida and her loved ones hugged goodbye to each other, fearing that her grip on Frida was waning. She rushed towards the group of women in a frenzy. She yells out Frida's name and pulls the razor blade from her pocket. In one swift motion, she cuts Frida across the face.
Oh my God. Frida's sister Joe tries to intervene and hits Alice in the head with her umbrella. This hit to the head didn't stop Alice but instead made her even angrier. Alice turned towards Joe and used the razor blade to cut her across the collarbone.
Frida, meanwhile, tries to run away and Alice turns to run after her. Frida only got a few paces ahead before Alice caught up to her. She caught her from behind and pulled the sharp blade up to Frida's neck. In one swift slice, she cuts three, Frida's throat and kills her.
Alice lets go of her grip on Frida who quickly falls to the ground as others around them are stunned and seemingly paralyzed with shocking fear. So they couldn't do anything about it. It's just, oh my God. After killing her lover, Alice turns back to the wagon where Lily Johnson sat and waited.
Lily had been parked pretty far away so she hadn't seen what had happened. She did however notice the blood that was all over Alice's face. When she asked Alice, hey girl, how's she get that blood in your face? Yeah, you okay?
Alice only replied that she wanted to go home. So Lily drove the wagon back to Alice's house. Okay, for the least I know what's about to get a little worse for Lily. Oh God.
Yeah. Once inside Alice confessed to Lily and her family that she had murdered Frida. She also told Lily that she wanted to kill herself. Like you know, I killed my lover now.
I just want to die. Okay. Horrified. Alice's mother called the police and they came.
Both Alice and Lily were arrested. Lily was suspected of knowing of the plot to kill Frida in advance and was charged with being an accessory who did nothing to prevent this crime. Alice of course was charged with murder and bodily injury to Joe, the sister. Yeah.
Lily was released on bond several days after the arrest, but due to the seriousness of the charges, obviously Alice remained incarcerated. Yeah, that'd be it. Alice's dad and her lawyers encouraged her to entry plea of present insanity. Meanwhile, Frida's family and friends mourned her loss.
Her funeral was held at Grace Episcopal Church where she had been a member and sang in the choir. Her coffin was covered with white roses, which mostly concealed the glass viewing window of her coffin. So back in the 1800s, coffins were relatively new in the late 1800s, but they had what was called a viewing window, which was like glass on the very top of it so you could peek in at the dead. Okay.
So I guess that's opposed to having like an open casket. Right. Kind of thing. But you couldn't even see her because of all the roses, which was probably a good thing because of her injuries.
Like either of those objects. Yeah, no neither. No thanks. No.
The church was pretty much standing room only and the community came out in droves to show their respect. One article stated that hundreds of people lying the sides of Vance Avenue to see her and her coffin pass by. Frida was laid to rest in Elmwood Cemetery. Now, fun fact, Frida didn't have a headstone.
So on the 120th anniversary of her death in 2017, members of the local LGBTQ plus community took up donations and provided her with a beautiful headstone. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. What happened to Alice? Yeah, what did happen to her?
I'm glad you asked. She went to trial the summer of 1892, so within about six months of the crime. And the case was filled with publicity. It was very exploited by the press and dubbed a very unusual crime.
The focus wasn't as much on the actual crime, but the alleged lesbian relationship between the two women. And what ended up happening because of this sensationalized press was that lesbians soon became viewed as both masculine and murderous. Okay, one headline even led to a dialogue about Manish lesbians. Okay, which is so absurd, but we all know the press can influence cultural beliefs and ideology.
Alice's defense tried really hard to move away from the relationship and focus more on Alice's mental health and depression, which ultimately led to delusions and eventually murder. Alice testified in her own defense, which is never something that we recommend. Yeah, she stated that she killed Frida because they wouldn't be able to marry. And you know, she just thought she'd be better off dead.
You know, and do note that the trial was not held in a normal courtroom due to the case being of lunacy. Oh, yeah. So here's some direct quotes from the trial transcript. Alice's lawyer, General Luke E.
Wright, asked her why she cut Frida. And Alice said, because I knew I could not have her and I didn't want anyone else to have her. Okay. Her lawyer says you intended to kill her?
Yes. replied Alice. I mean, yeah, she doesn't hold back. No, she's honest.
Now Alice, he says, why did you kill her? She says, I killed her because I loved her. Done, done, done. In July of 1892, the all male jury found Alice guilty, but also stated that she was in fact presently insane at the time of the murder.
She was ordered to spend the rest of her life at the Western State Hospital. All charges against Lily Johnson were dropped and she was released, which is good because she was completely innocent. Alice spent the next six years in the insane asylum where eventually she died at the age of 25 in 1898. The cause of Alice's death is greatly disputed.
Some say that she died of tuberculosis. This is kind of right before the big outbreak of tuberculosis, which tended to be more in the early 1900s. But some say that she committed suicide by drowning herself in the asylum's water tank. Yeah.
Either of those feel possible. Could be. And either way, Alice was buried in the family plot at Elmo Cemetery. Her grave marker is near the road, which now includes the public tour.
Oh, here lie Alice. And yes, Elmo would is the same cemetery where Frida is buried. So while they couldn't be together in life, I guess they were at least buried near each other in death. Frida is buried with several others in the Grace Church plot now known as Grace St.
Luke's Episcopal Church. And like I mentioned, there weren't any markers. So markers were placed for them. Frida's account, the account of Frida's murder can actually be found on the old Shelby County magazine issue 40.
I got a lot of good information from there. And so since this time, the whole story has actually been made into a book and some shows and there was going to be a movie coming out or a book coming out called Alice in Frida, something like that. So I'm gonna have to check into that. But I thought this was so interesting.
It's wild. Yeah. So first of all, a same sex relationship in the 1800s, crimes of passion, mental asylums, razor blades, Alvin J Ward, public murder. Public murder?
I know. I was so into it. Bonkers. I know.
That's the story. Wow. Wow. You know, and it all starts with PDA.
And that's just truly where it begins. It's truly, it is. PDA and shoving. I guess so.
Yeah, I mean, Alice clearly had issues, but I wonder what their lives would have been like if they could have just been together. And I wonder what it would have been like if Frida truly had the same love for Alice, you know? Yeah, that's I do. If it was an equal love, because you know, Alice finally kind of found her true love, but it didn't seem that Frida felt the same way.
It seemed like Frida was young and just not really ready to settle down. Kind of needed to sow her wild oats. Yeah. Oh no.
Yeah. Tragic love. So young. Yeah.
I mean, it said nothing about a garbage can. So true. They had that going for them. Yeah.
They were kind of rolling away from the garbage. Yeah. Coming away from the garbage. Yeah.
Less than learned. Yeah. What a journey that was. You're welcome.
Wow. Yeah. Great story. A good story.
Thank you. Personal save of mine. I love it. That was good.
I'm a fan. Well, good. Good. All right.
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I do if you'll give me a moment. No, I will find one. No, chumming. After I cough.
Wow. So let's see. While I look for that, what about that submarine? I know.
How crazy is that? Very crazy. I mean, you could not pay me to be in a submarine. No, I mean, I know that I mean, yes, real people really sad awful.
Also, though, no good can come from that. That was dumb. That was dumb. That was a bad choice.
Good can come from that. That was a real bad choice. Why would you do that? You're far wherever you are.
You just got to leave that titanic alone. I believe that the heart does go on. Yeah, but you got to stay away from it. Once more, you open the door.
You know, can't do it. Can't do it. I mean, but sounds like from the latest reports, it imploded. So, but I mean, it's very quick death.
I mean, probably in that case, best case scenario versus, you know, drowning, suffocating loss of oxygen, just a real quick implosion. Yeah, don't get on submarines that haven't been, you know, approved by any type of safety. It's a stainless ear in the Navy. You probably just don't get them.
Maybe just don't. Maybe just don't. Don't pick quarter million dollars to do that. You know, maybe donate that money, too.
If you have that kind of money, yeah, it's probably a better idea to donate. Yeah, donate some of that and just, you know, you can probably see better pictures of the Titanic via the Google. In the movie. Yeah, rather than being rather than being rather than, you know, diving, do it in a submarine controlled by a video game controller.
No, bad times, bad times. Okay, purse, that's first. Yeah, definitely bad things happened. Okay.
Yeah. All right. We're gonna go with Lady Lake Florida. Oh, I like that.
Like how, I don't know. I know. I love that. All right.
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