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EPISODE · Dec 10, 2025 · 46 MIN

The U.S. state that could have been a Black utopia

from Think from KERA · host KERA

After the promises of Reconstruction began to wither, Black Americans searched for freedom in radically different locales. Caleb Gayle is a journalist, author and professor at Northeastern University, and he is also a contributing writer at The New York Times Magazine. He joins guest host John McCaa to tell the story of Edward McCabe, who made it his life’s work to set up a Black state in Oklahoma. His book is “Black Moses: A Saga of Ambition and the Fight for a Black State.” Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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