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Well, that escalated quickly. Welcome to the Wild Card podcast. I'm your host, Jerry Eaton, and my co-pilots on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis. Oh, yeah.
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Ah! We've recorded two episodes, and then we took Ron one episode to get riled up. But by the second episode, he was good to go. But right now, this morning, Ron is on the list.
You know, I'm not really mourning this. It's the waffles, and that helps. We had a nice breakfast with waffles and sausage. It's the wrong waffles.
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Maybe you can tell from this podcast, I'm a bit congested. I did it my way. And so, my label passages are clogged a little bit. So, in honor of my illness, I'm going to ask you guys, what's your favorite near-death experience?
Because I'm clearly dying. I'm just going to say, you sound horrible. You sound awful. So, near-death experience.
But it's nothing to do with your voice. We don't have to... It's going into the light. It has to be something where you thought, I think I'm going to die now.
Have you ever experienced that? Oh, well, I have. So, think of those times when you thought maybe you were going to die and tell me about one of them. We all caught the flu during company.
Yeah, but we weren't going to die. I was going to die. I wish I was dead. There's no difference right there.
I wanted to die. It was the worst. When I wasn't asleep, I was just wishing for a... That's why you don't make out with everyone in the past every single rehearsal.
That is what I was going to do. I love making out with farms. You look fluish. Yeah, come on up.
My favorite near-death experience were actually thought I was going to die as opposed to wanting to die. Yeah. When I was 11, I had a friend come over. This is what I was living in on the farm outside of Monte Vista Colorado.
Before we moved to Crico. The city. The city of the nation. I'm sure.
So, not really. But anyway, it's another real play. But we lived out on the farm. I guess I was 10.
Not enough. Anyway, there was this canal that would fill up in the spring with water so that farmers could air-cake their crops. Most of the time it was dry. When we filled with water, we'd throw sticks and boards and then we'd run along the banks of it and try to bomb it with rocks.
Try to sink these boards and some sink these sticks with rocks. There's a couple bridges and we'd go on the bridges and we'd lift up these rocks and we'd toss them in. I had a friend staying over one night and in the morning we went over to the canal. My mother was out shopping for groceries or something like that.
My brother and I, my friend, we went out to the canal and we threw the sticks in. We were chasing them and we were throwing rocks and then we went across this small bridge. It wasn't really meant as something to walk across but it was a little brick. We got out there and got this big-ass rock and I lifted it over my head to...
because I was going to sink this board which he can't sink a board with rock. I lifted it up over my head and I lost balance. I started falling and I grabbed hold of my friend to try and get my balance. He lost his balance and I reached out for my brother and my brother stepped out of the way.
My friend and I went head first into the canal and I went under and I thought, I'm going to die and then I came up and I realized I could stand. My friend was just standing there. I was just driving from the way up because he just jumped in and landed on his feet. My brother was standing up there.
No, it was nothing like any of that. From the freezing of that I couldn't help but think of the full-lawning. Big-ass rock. Big-ass rock.
Big-ass rock. Or maybe something like a sander or a rock. He is better. Alright.
So Ron, do you have a favorite in your experience? There was a time where we lived in a different house than where we lived now and it was sort of down in a small valley. I always thought that if there were a tornado they would just sort of jump the hills and wouldn't really reach us, we were in the safest place. But one time this tornado came and it came sort of in the direction between the hills and the kids were freaking out and sirens were going off and we didn't have a basement.
So we all got under this crawl space, in the kitchen, not really crawl spaces. for a dishwasher and it was under there and the tornado is rambling right towards our house and I was like this is horseshit and I went outside and I grabbed the bottom of the tornado and I start whipping it around and I do like whipping things around in public I'm sitting there in my front yard I'm just whipping this tornado around and I'm like look some motherfucker you're not gonna get me in my family today and then I whipped it towards Kansas fucked everything up in Kansas I got some corn I'm a little dubious about the authenticity of his story boy I would I've got I've got one question a detail if you can fill this detail in on the solar these hills you live between yeah did they have eyes they did have I can't argue with that yeah it's an infallible yeah so I'm gonna start with my least favorite in your death experience I've got a least favorite in your death experience okay I was in high school so it's my junior senior I was driving a school and in the morning I was taking a vitamin because I don't have a great diet in terms of food diet chicken chicken and pizza yeah the end of the food I like it's kind of sad but anyway yeah so my diet isn't the best yeah I was taking a vitamin that morning and as I was taking I don't swallow pills well sometimes it feels like it's like you know you feel like it feels like it's chilling out there even though you just feels like it's still right in your brain right not the brain I need to get a coat hanger and show that my nose to get the pill out because it's gonna stay lodged out there and you start to get a run I worry about it but it feels like it's just chilling the windpipe or something yeah and so I was in there and it made me so uncomfortable that swallowing of that that I threw up oh but I threw up so violently that I knocked the wind out of myself oh my god and now I've thrown up a lot like we're gonna do favorite vomiting stories it would be in our episode I thought of a lot in a lot of cool places we'll go with that for now maybe we'll make a favorite you bomb it so I threw up in my bathroom not to when I was up all I knew at the time was I threw up and now I can't breathe so my assumption is of course my lungs exploded right so I'm on the bathroom floor thinking I died because of a vitamin but everything's fine yeah so I'm exploding is the most obvious yeah that's a no-tigatly default expression yeah I don't get a stomachache without a being cancer so I get that I understand it but my favorite near death experience I was hiking I think I was my stories come from this one like two vacation we're gonna work with the change and then we're working out that's a different story I'm not just gonna get my business story I knew it so we climb these three mountains we climb these three mountains in one day flat top halits and Otis we three mountains right over by Dyla pass right there right there so it's exactly and so we're coming down after the hike and we come down Andrews Glacier oh oh oh I heard you probably sure you did no you really do you're in a real band if you don't have land I agree I agree so we're coming on Andrew's laser really land if your land can melt your land can mobile home there you go that's sometimes just it's obvious John is lead the way because he is half mountain because he's better he is better than me he's better than unequivocally so he's coming out of Glacier and if you market something but you can see that the glacier Ron is probably about a mile long well he's exactly like specs so we get down the bottom it feels great like you know I was conquering Glacier yeah I was like that I was like with so blue and you wonder like how many people have ever seen this incredible experience and so we're going and there's this next little pass of glacier it's a bit steeper but a lot shorter like we're talking a few hundred feet that's it somebody John just goes down at no problem I'm next and I start to go down this the second part of the glacier trying to like follow John's footprints because like oh he's already tread here it's safe the problem was because he tried there he packed down the snow I'll slicker sure I get three steps down my feet go up on a mess start sliding on this glacier and I was veering to the right and go into the right means you fall off a cliff oh now I didn't want that at the time right now I start now I know it's got some appeal to the barrel rolling to the left yeah I'm escaped death that was chasing me I did I was I've been rolled a couple times and I got my hands and feet in the snow and it's not myself until the fun thing is the whole time I friends are laughing you can hear the laughing like it's gonna die and so I stop myself I'm feeling like oh okay good I'm not dying I'm like I gotta stand up okay just like chill here in the glacier for the rest of the day so I start to stand back up and as soon as both my feet go to me my feet go up on me again oh my god this time good news I'm not going towards the clip I'm just going towards a large collection of boulders okay so I start your fault absolutely so I start trying to catch myself or slow myself in the snow by sticking my feet and hands in yeah the problem is I dug in a little too much I got my feet far enough down the snow that it catapulted me so now I'm swan diving towards boulders like rocks coming up my face quickly and I start to like try to hide my face and like get under my left shoulder and as I did that my backpack came over my shoulder I laid on my backpack now I got a bruise all up that side of my body and I did die later not I would have suspected that you were you had died yeah I know I didn't die 12 years ago I actually if I have to make you know if I have to have a story that's not bullshit about my but I guess I don't know I prefer your bullshit the closest I'm sure but the closest I've never come I've never come even remotely close to to be thinking I'm gonna die but I the last time I went skiing I found out that let me start right there you've been skiing I have been skiing the first time I was seeing was the last time I was like three times I decided I've been skiing enough I was tired of messing around the bunny slope so I went to one of the one of the blue sections which is not as bad I can't remember which is worse than blue or the black guy and I'm sure yeah that's a I feel 65 that's a pass your own yes can I stop you right there I don't know I don't know what's happening the words ski free me anything to you ski free no it was an old computer game we're talking like late 90s computer game and you just ski down a straight hill like there was and you go back and forth trying to avoid trees and things like that and I would increase your speed but it inevitably on this ski back when you get far enough and yet you would come on you so I can only assume this story is with you being eaten by swatch you're very close you're very close I saw a swatch and I bailed actually I was gonna bail anyway because I'm a really bad skier and so that's the day that I realized if you have the option of hitting a tree or bailing out yeah hit the tree oh okay yeah and that's better than balling fair enough yeah I was all twisted and bent up and that's not really good advice people have died hitting trees run no I know and you know I was laying in the snow I thought I need to hit that I want to comment on I don't feel like Jeff's advice is worth anything because he told us the story about throwing rocks at boards of water yeah rocks at six I was at 10 I was like I was like I don't care if you were a tambourine it's an interesting experience you know what I did not think yeah as I recall I remember I remember what time I think I told me from this right here was that we were standing on a frozen like we try to p-holes in it oh just to see if our people be hot enough to try to melt the ice sure was it was no splash or is it there are your death experience our favorite yeah now why don't leave the house yeah well that's coming to get you right all right today's episode yeah led and facilitated by our own Jeff Oh, okay. I don't know how to follow that but okay. Take us on this journey to wherever I don't know.
All right, well today we are going on a quest. We are going on a quest. Oh, I love quests. Is it for Curly's Gold?
Oh, the search for Curly's Treasure, yes. No, I found that in my spend. Oh, great. All the good prizes are taken.
Yeah. Yeah. So I know that you are familiar with the DaVinci Code, Dan Brown's DaVinci Code. Have you read the book or seen the movie?
I don't know. I've heard that it's a film and I've heard that it's a book. Great. But you know what the story generally is about.
I know that there's an albino and Tom Hanks in a weird haircut. Only in the movie. That's in the movie. Silas is the albino.
So basically, and we're not really going to talk about the DaVinci Code. We're going to talk about where that came from. Oh, okay. It comes from a thing.
It does come from a thing. In our DaVinci. Oh, he did the Code. He made the Code.
It makes so much sense now. I never put that together. But basically the idea of the movie or the book is that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. Okay.
They had when Jesus was crucified Mary Magdalene was pregnant and escaped to the South of France where with their daughter Sarah, who then married into the Mary Virginia. Mary Virginia. Yeah, Mary Virginia. Royal bloodline in Southern France.
And that the church knew about this and was trying to stamp it out because it was. It made Jesus look less divine. Right. Right.
And so the idea in this story, because I've read the book in a few times, is that the Holy Grail, the word for Holy Grail is song real. Song real. But it means royal blood. So the Holy Grail is the royal bloodline of Jesus that is continued to this day.
And there's a priority of silence protecting it. And the church has been trying to suppress it. Well, that's why the church went nuts when it came out. They're like, no, it's wrong.
The church going nuts is just kind of what? This is a deal. It's just what happens. It's the Pope back then was it was a John Paul Snell.
It was Gary. It was Gary. Did you ever notice that Pope Benedict looked like the Emperor Palpatine? I did notice that.
I think I was the Pope. Well, it's the get up. There's a little Paul. John Paul was thinking of like a little peanut.
He was cute as a button. Does it look mobile? Do you remember when he got shot? That was adorable.
What? Well, not when he got shot. I want a door. I got a little pop mobile.
It's like Brian Rome. The pop mobile was adorable. Not getting shot. I'm getting shot.
That was horrible. You're just the way you phrase it. It's okay. You guys figured it out.
You're smart. I think the pope should run the Oscar Meyer. Anyway, getting back to the story. We're not talking about the pope one way or the other.
In the story. I know we already have. So Dan Brown got most of his idea. Get into your anger.
Of course, the Davenci code. I pray the deflector shield will be quite operational in your friends. Alright. Anyway.
So Dan Brown. That was an author first. No. That's an author first.
No. That's an author first. You got all ways to go. I've got long ways to go to short time to get there.
I'm sure there's one thing we can run. All right. So that book. Let me just read is Dan.
Okay go ahead. Dan? How I'm going now. I'm gonna read you this book.
I wasn't I'm going So the Da Vinci code is based on the hypothesis posited by this book Holy Blood Holy Grail Holy Blood Holy Grail written by Michael Beijing Richard Lee and Henry Lincoln Either of you ever read this book. Okay. No, I've never heard of either. No name Holy Blood.
So in a world She's better than Jesus and she's out for blood and grail. She taught me how to kill her. Yeah, yeah, she did Wait, let me stop you guys right there Let me stop you right there Just crying right now. He's crying.
You have reached the end of side one. Please turn the disc over for side two. Thank you Okay, holy blood holy grail. Yeah, this is taking forever Next year when you have experiences in like Anyway, wow, I thought this would start conversation but who knew?
So Before we get into this and I forgot how I was gonna start let me ask you this question sure Do either of you have issue with the hypothesis that Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus and that they had a baby? I do not but you're an atheist. Yeah, I have no problem with Jesus when it clowns Well agnostic bordering I lean on the other, you know, I just who am I who am I? I'm not a colonel.
Okay, shamelessly. Okay, now I'll say I don't believe it but as a scientist I have no problem living hypothesis. Would it be true would it impact your faith? No, that's the way I feel I mean I'm pretty much an agnostic anymore, but you know What impact their faith they would say if if it happened like after Jesus wasn't an ascendent to heaven That would be where most Christians would have a problem theologically with it If you're telling you Jesus stuck around on earth for the rest of his life and then died after his you know Crucifixion resurrection that would be where people had a problem if instead it happened before his crucifixion They got a pregnant before then and then like she survived afterwards and had a daughter after he ascended I mean, we're only still not within the word so we have our time with it But I guess I could justify that idea a little more I think most I think there's people who wouldn't bother me I think there's a lot of Christians who'd have a problem with Jesus having sex You don't know why that makes him powerful because it's bad well Sex they weren't married if no that's that's bad We only have sex to have children and Jesus being the son of God wouldn't be procreating his own Well, that was a command of God that was be fruitful and multiply and you look at your Especially like a son of Solomon we're talking about a woman and a husband that should please one of them Sex back then was bad because the hygiene problems that they would naturally have The cheesy smelly sex and I don't I don't like having that that's all the option for back then I believe Harry I'm just very smelly.
I'm just imagining Ron having sex with a black cheese That's fairly hot that's gonna happen this morning. It was great So personally like I don't that wouldn't affect from the Bible that I read it wouldn't affect the way I see Jesus living and the way I see Jesus interacting with people and that's that's the Jesus that matters to me I'm looking at his life the way he treated people the way he loved yeah, that is an opposition the way most people love That's that's what I want what's my follow more so than like the argument of Other people well, I think I think there's so much splitting hairs and religion that are unimportant translation Yeah, whereas the basic tenants that he lived by of charity and love and And sacrifice that's what they should be taking from it and I believe you made a post recently that said the reason there's only eighties Oh the single greatest cause of atheism in the world is Christians who Speak truth with their mother worship Jesus with their mouth and they go out the door from church and deny him by the lifestyle Right, that's what an unbelieving world to the tribe unbelievable right and that's what Jesus was talking about with Pharisees He isn't a great deal isn't it and he was very clear how he thought about the religious leaders at the time Well, when I called him a brute of vipers when Michelle and I were just aiding I would see these altar calls and she'd be like Come out there with me. I'm like hey, I'm Catholic and be I don't believe in altar calls because I see them as Pharisees You're going up there to see who can scream the loudest of the rafters about Jesus What do you do 45 minutes to it tonight and a half hours after we're done with church today? I would argue just that an altar call can be your public confession There's a lot of people will be like well, here's what it means to me about care Where's the public does say you need to confess what you believe always be willing to hold the counter I'm sorry always be willing to share what you believe yeah giving an account for those things I think it can be that like this is something that's happened to me But there are certainly those who use it as a look at pie sign.
Yeah, that's exactly it I like the get in the closet pray version Jesus said something like that We're not doing private. Yeah, we'll do it in private. Do it. It's you're not going to problem.
They'll all gonna laugh at you good alright, so So that when this book came out in 1982 it caused a storm because a lot of people felt that it was blood and grain Well, it's caused a storm of controversy Because of its its hypothesis its theory that of that the marriage of Jesus and the the birth of a daughter to Jesus So I did it so but this book came about by There's something that led to this book another book led to the creation of this book. Okay, Henry Lincoln Yeah was a British he invented the logs. No, he was a British television writer for the BBC Oh, so you know so in 19 He wrote like three doctor He wrote a whole bunch of things for no he wrote it three doctor who's going to call it Oh, you've written a doctor who is it? I have a Lincoln Road doctor who?
No, he wrote three episodes of Doctor Who's serious. He has a small arc Henry Lincoln is a subplot maybe a bit alright Everyone is a doctor who fan hates it when you call him Doctor Who He's a doctor, but I love saying Doctor Who because you know what annoys them Do you ever play the game of like Doctor Who who what I don't know what you're talking about? That's what I was thinking anyway Henry Lincoln was on vacation in France and he picked up a book It must be nice to be able to vacation a France on a bridge it helped when your New York started out with oh, yeah It's like a little drive it's like oh no, yeah, so he read a book by a guy called the Sada The States and this guy wrote a book about a place called Ren L'Shato We didn't make all the pronounced the sod no that you're thinking of the Marquis to sod and Days in Sodom. No, yeah, that's either that is a rot.
No, that's a different this sod This is a d'Sada and it's spelled differently. Oh, oh they come out every 18 years they write a book every 18 years Oh my god, and they kidnap the children of Barry every 18 years and murder them under the sewers I didn't need to prepare at all That's a smile in his face that just looks like he's healed and will do so again You know the guy that steps up the bowling pins at the bowling alley is enormously important. Well Yeah, I actually did research you No, it's good. I respect that.
Oh my god. All right. Yeah, so anyway So do you say to do say to not this odd right? I'm sorry.
He wrote he wrote a book about a place called Red Le Chateau. Yes. Oh the Red House Castle. No, it's a castle No, it's a red cottage.
No, it's just a place. It's a it's a it's a it's a It's a former it's a small town in southern France. Okay. Okay.
Yeah, no It's not the border. I don't know France Anyway, so yeah, he wrote about this supposed mystery that happened in in Ren Lechetteau. Okay, this took place in the late 1800s in 1885 Priest by the name of sit by the name of Sarnier was set to this small town Which maybe had 200 people living in it at one point back during the Crusades or it probably had like 10,000 people living in this But it had dwindled in over the years And so this priest Sarnier was set to be the priest at this this church in Ren Lechetteau And yeah, the church was in ruins and falling apart and stuff and he was penniless and this was 1985 So he gets there he works there for a few years and then he starts doing renovations in the church And according to this book by Dessada Yeah inside of one of these the columns that was supporting a statue It was hollow and he found inside of it for parchment Two of the parchments had genealogies on them and two of the parchments had what appeared to be just scripture Stuff on it, but it had obvious codes in it because letters were out of order They were above the line and stuff like that and so so according to this book. Yeah Sarnier took these parchments and he took it to he would travel to Paris and he took it and had them analyze And the code was broken by Yeah, good job.
Sure. Thank you. Then while he was spent seven days in Paris while he was being broken He bought three paintings from three three reproductions of paintings from the Lou and he met this opera singer Oh, so on his Return to Ren Lechetteau suddenly this penniless priest was rich He he had enough money now suddenly to renovate the church. Yeah, build a chateau for himself.
Yeah, build Build what looks like a fortress to or which was really his library that he named after Mary Magdalene He paid to pay the road to this village that had just been dirt to get people in there Because he had the money suddenly to pay to build this road Yeah, and so for this priest who had been penniless found these parchments broke the code and was suddenly rich and With no no one able to explain where this money came from. Yeah, I can explain and so I'm sure you can yeah So anyway, I'll be asking you for that in the second I am outraged so immediately out raised so anyway, there's no more sausage on the table so he When he dies sausage all the way down so when he dies people are expecting into this priest with all this money in his Last will to leave the money to someone yeah when he dies they find out that he's paying us and all this money and all this property Is in the name of his housekeeper who started being his housekeeper when she was 18 And she'd been his housekeeper all these years up until he died in 1917 She saved up every penny and so yes again and Furthermore after he dies when he dies supposedly he The day after he's died He's placed in a chair in front of the church and a procession of people in in Splea their disguises come by one by one and pay homage to him as they then go on their way before he's buried That's how they say the story is I think it was more weekend at Bernie's where there were two teenagers high to each arm Yeah, and as each cardinal came up or whatnot they were like hi Hey, and they would lift the hands up and all that and I also heard and this is no shit I also heard that soggy's last words were there is another Skywalker and then he sort of disintegrated into into the air you're close Yes, but it was on No Because I'm gonna put on Jeff it correctly yeah wait let me stop you're right there Jeff did something correct it was he said supposedly yes because I've heard someone recently supposedly oh Yeah, because that's an excuse yeah, they were like don't kill me that I have to go to Wal-Mart's Yeah, I know those people it's time to die Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you that make me feel very very happy that you notice that I said supposedly correct We did this would come from Walmart. That's a great not a Walmart because wal-Mart did not exist with it.
They would know They would know if they sold it to you because they keep track through barcodes All right getting back into conspiracy theories. Yes getting back into conspiracy theories which we love which we love so anyway the story continues that this That the housekeeper was wealthy herself all the way through so why was she keeping house? Money and the person who's even elsewhere was dead, but she was still there and it was her house I'm not fine. That's coming up.
But anyway, so as the story goes yeah after World War two The French government changed their their money They changed the price so that anyone who had the old Frank would have to turn it in and account for where this money came from as their way of finding out who had been looting or and who had been cooperating with the Nazis and stuff like that so in so instead of Instead of taking her franks that were pre World War two and Converting them into the new money. She took these big bundles of money and burnt them in her backyard burnt them Oh, she was up to something shitty shady So there's been all these there's been all these theories about where this money come came from whether it was Whether it was the Knights Templar treasure that yeah was hidden and that they found that the secret code led them to yeah Whether it was other treasure like sure the Solomon blood diamonds like a treasure that was brought back to Rome that then disappeared Which are chamber one was which exactly so whether they found some that or whether they found a secret gold Early gold Yes, early gold whether they found a secret and that secret was used to bribe the Pope and the church and other people about the Secret this is over the secret everybody gets a car. Yeah, so that car so Henry Lincoln read this story Yeah, he probably would have just let it go if the parchment that they showed in the pictures in the book Yeah, if they had said what the code was because he or said that there was a code in these But he and he looked through these things and there's obviously a codes in there And he so he contacted the writer to say that and said were you aware that? There's a code and this is what the codes and and the said his response was yes And and Lincoln said oh why didn't you tell people it wasn't he said because we were wanting to see if someone would notice it A machine at the world war two so then Henry Lincoln Makes this he does this special for BBC and it's it's it's a factual you know, it's one of these history things So he went to read So it's like this our documentary This is before the hypothesis that it was Jesus bloodline.
Oh, that's when they're still looking for treasure Well the church they're still looking for a treasure anyway Oh So they do this documentary and while they're doing this documentary they discover or he finds out some other things or there's some other things that come to light such as the There the code that's on this parchment. Yeah used to also be on this gravestone that sarnier chipped off the front of to make the code disappear oh, I see and That tombstone and when he renovated this this church the There's a saying on the outside of the door that says this place is terrible only in Latin Oh, and then you go in and there's all these I'm like frightening statues and things like that scare you away Yes, I think we better call this cuby guy and get out here investigate this So anyway Lincoln partners with the Sata for this BBC special that they do they competed for it no they Collaborated you know what I was have paying attention. I obviously anyway. Yeah over the years then Lincoln does a total of three documentaries on this place and it ran in the chat.
Oh and by the end he still you know He still captured by this mystery this supposed misery And so he partners with Richard Lee and Michael Beijing and they start doing this research and while they're doing this research And even while he was doing these BBC specials He kept getting once in a while he'd get he'd get letters and stuff from people But someone kept telling them will look here or look here or have you thought about this? Oh, so when someone in one of these letters pointed him to documents that were at the bibliotape Nationale Which is the library? It's a library. It's a library.
It's in Paris. It's not in Bolivia It's in Paris, but it's a Bolivia borders border I think I'm almost certain it's Antarctica the one post in Antarctica No, I agree to disagree on that I heard it both ways. I heard it's near Alsace in the rain. All right.
I don't know how we got to Bolivia But anyway, you can only fly there. So while they were Right, so they just want to do this you guys Anyway, so they So they investigate these documents that are at the bibliotape Nationale which is the National Library of France. What I said, no, it's not Anyway, anyway, anyway, so there's right so these documents talk about the priority of cyan They talk about all kinds of the maryvan Indian bloodline, right? They talk about Renlish at toe They talk about secret treasures and Sex maybe?
No, they don't Sex maybe? They don't talk about sex maybe But they talk about the holy grail they talk about the Knights Templar and so they start following all these leads that are in these documents And a lot of them don't make any sense of course Because it's in French nobody read French Because it says that they'll go to They'll go to But they I'll say I'll say I'll go to the other one But they follow them So they'll really Yeah Only it's it's slightly different than what the history is that they are familiar with Okay, no, that makes sense as the archaeologists and anthropologists were back then discovering new things This was 1979 Anyway The Goonies was 1985 So anyway, so they start following all this stuff and they come out they find this list in these documents That list the Grandmaster's of the priority of science okay starting from when it supposedly began back in 11 you got Chevy Chase Oh, nice you've got Damn, yeah, I think I think She was one that was actually in the spell I know that I think he was Grandmaster rank three I'm almost certain yeah I think no one is from the Princess Bride Yeah, I know He was also in there Well, all of the entire tests of the Princess Bride Just Grandmaster of the Princess And then Tom, thanks Miss Emil There was Gary Yeah, there was the Veggie I knew that I knew that I think Newton What? Who's on? What did they do?
They were the Grandmaster's of the priority of science according to this list Oh, he's a teacher of science So you had all these famous painters or writers or thinkers and then the last person on this list is somebody I would be by the name of Pierre Plantard Oh, Pierre Plantard's been protective What's going on? Nothing, that's ridiculous, why would they blame him Pierre to do that? So, though of course they they Paired and Paired and Of course they'd find Pierre They talked to Pierre Plantard who is the Supposedly, he's the Grandmaster of the priority of Sia Supposedly Anyway, so the reason he He's a child, he's a Pauntard Because he supposedly, his genealogy is He's a, he's sent it from the Moravigen Maravigena Apparently, apparently that's why he's Grandmaster So anyway, so they go, they follow all these leads, he gives them leads, other people do leads There's all these documents and most of them are written by people with pseudonyms Oh, like he has Forster and so So they have to break these codes and leave these people are and they all Check old woman I don't know He's also a Grandmaster A couple of them lead back to this guy who Who died mysteriously from a train when he was leaving his server Another, you think he got revived train, but the train actually punched him in his face That's what I was thinking It was a drive-by train, Bob Jazzy As well as boxing gloves on a spring Knock his head, clean off his shoulders Some more of them were Were supposedly written by these three guys who then were found hanged What, together in seventy-nine? Two of them were hung together, one of them was hung separately So the one separately hung the other two and they killed himself?
I don't know, just dialed a pass on This is what, I think if you paid attention you would keep You'd be able to follow her, don't you? So anyway, so So they talked to the daughter of the guy who was died Mysteriously on the train, being thrown from the train And she tells them that people keep asking about him and that he had nothing to do with any of this stuff And that she doesn't know why people said he wrote these things because he never wrote any of this stuff Because he's a blonde-hearted Tauntard's good right You've lost the train a little bit You've lost the train a little bit You've lost the guy who was a blonde-hearted guy You've got a few stars and steps to it I've been probably So anyway, so there's all these mysteries And so they keep following and following And so finally what they write this book about Their journey of following these lines, these mysteries, these clues that for the most part End up coming from these documents that were deposited in the bibliotonic nationale And they tried to cross the track with history, like with the crusaders and all these other things And so they end up saying, deciding that the most likely reason for the sudden wealth of the priest in Ren La Chateau Was that he discovered a secret, not that he discovered treasure, but that he discovered a secret And the secret that he discovered was that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus and that she had a daughter That they came to the point of France, the daughter of Mary Magdalene and the daughter of the bloodline Intermarried with the Mary of the Indian gins And they've been the priority scion, they've been protecting them all these years That when the Templars were formed, they were formed as an army to protect the bloodline And so there's all kinds of mysteries and stuff associated with the Templars that are all part of this That are also referred to in the Veggie Code But I'm not going to go into the whole Templar area of this at this point Well I think this is all just a cover up for the actual secret they discovered, which was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the Us Oh, that's what the secret of the Us was That's the secret of the Us The only thing I get at now The only thing I get at now is that Jesus is bloodline Oh man, that's it Part of what they discovered while they're researching all this stuff Is in Ren La Chateau, there's other castles in that area, there's... Are they all this terrible? I don't know, but where they form, if you plot them out on a map, they form a pentagram This is very Davidic, everyone Davidic came out and people were drawing maps And like, look at Washington DC, it's shaped like this, it's a point of view It's shaped like a big penis, so I know that's the Washington Monument That's just a dick you drew on the map So there's a lot of this, and so there's all these landmarks and there's all these codes, there's all these mysteries that make it a very compelling story So now you want to find out what really happened?
What I want to know though first, is this, and this is for real, is this one of the ones that's where... You want to show me, I want to show you, I want to show you, I want you to show me I want to know if this is one of those things where there's actual compelling evidence, or if it's another thing where like, this is the conclusion that I want to make So now I'm going to make every piece of evidence fit into this one box, so that it fits my parameter Tell me the movie, Jim Carrey did the number 23, and they're like, they're looking for it, they're fine, they're not gonna be the best Exactly, so did they say, I want to scandal, or I want to prove that Jesus was married and had a kid, and then they made evidence to surround me Or they're not made, they interpreted it, so they went back to that I don't believe they set out looking to prove that theory I don't think they had a theory, I think the only theory they started out looking for was that they believed that these parchments that were found by Sanyé had a secret And that's what they were looking to prove And they had to think correct, because the amount of treasure that he came home from the church with, all this money on the house I still stay in the house, why, the house of worker, that's the excuse Housekeeper, because if I'm rich, and I've got everything I need, why do I want to bring you in and be your housekeeper? Because she did, her best housekeeping on her back That's what was up y'all, she ended up being a billionaire when she was dead So anyway, that was dumb So there's this mystery, this book, they don't say that this is fact, they say that this is the conclusion, this is their hypothesis Based on the evidence that they were following, they're never saying this is fact When you read this book and other research you've done, do you find evidence compelling? Or do you just find this story interesting?
Well the story is very interesting, I read it after I read the da venge code, but I remember first thing this book when I was in college And I didn't really have any interest in reading at that time I found the story compelling, and yet I found there were places in it, especially when it was doing theological stuff And that wasn't really, that I found suspect It's like a leap in logic As I read the Bible, I've read every book in the Bible many many times And some of the conclusions that they were leaping to, and I've done a lot of research in Christianity A lot of things they were leaping to didn't make sense historically with what I knew to be fact A lot of people when this was popularized, especially when the book first came out There were a lot of specials on TV about these alternative gospels These books that were found were not taken out I've read the Noccomedy files, I've read them Actually I was actually going to cite a passage from the Drummond file The world don't move to the beat of just one drum What might be right for you, may not be right for some Anyway, I'd like to be a bit of a forgetful of that Absolutely, so different strokes for different folks So that was the theory, now do you want to find out what the truth is? Nah, nah, go ahead No, it's there, it doesn't, so I've come this far I'm not a science player, I don't care It's the hypothesis, the matter is not the destination, it's the journey Let's begin with the airplane target Well, I think the airplane target has to be explained He had no idea that people were like, But on Thor, these are the best I think he's actually a lancher, which is the Wii device Oh, yes, the pucker brother sells a tool for Satan The airplane target was a farmer, a roof banger No, just a roof banger He was a roof banger He was a rover roommate Before World War II Suited, before World War II Yes, prior to World War II Prior to World War II Prior to World War II The dead zone called He was anti-musonic and anti-Jewish He didn't like Amazons, he didn't like Amazons He didn't like Amazons, he hated the Jews And he's a French nationalist who was kind of leaning towards Stalin Anyway, so anyway, he, during the war he wrote some letters to the Vichy government Because I think Southern France was part of the Vichy France So he wanted them, he wrote some letters to them about why the Jews were so terrible And that they should be helping the Germans round them up Wow, what a guy What a guy! Is he playing hard? He's playing hard So after World War II in 1956 I was thinking, who's going to have the Jews?
No, it's Aaron Plantard He's a Jew! Register this organization that he's created called the Priority of Zion Oh, he made the Priority of Zion He and, like, three of his buddies created this organization that was based not on Zion in Jerusalem But on Mount Zion in France And it's spelled differently as the island So anyway, they created this organization supposedly to help poor people or poverty or housing and stuff like that Well, the area, the area The address was he's a... No, by 56, the Nazi's lost? He was a...
I'm sorry, Blue Eyed Jerry, I know we don't know that for you So he, um, the address of this organization is his apartment Which is 666 Mockingbird life So he, at the organization, go... It's the last house of my life It lasts for about a year, before, you know, anybody who joined realize it was just bullshit It stopped out It stopped out But the other people like... So I did not see him be there in all his buddies doing He keeps asking me to pop our cocks and pan off So he had this... He had this agenda, so bring back the Meravindian dynasty to France He wanted to turn France back into a monarchy and a theocracy That was so well-known Under the Meravinds, and he wanted to prove that he was the one in line that should become the king So he started...
I can't wait to be king He started forging all his documents He and his buddies, he started forging all these documents with genealogies and other things And this the other guy by the name of Chris Lee, they were all... Not Chris Lee, not Chris Lee Charis Lee, something like that Anyway, so they, they were forging these systems It was all, I mean there were... The forgeries? Because Plantar is the one you wrote the book The sanctatar is also written soji refolt And he said rewrote it before him.
But he was in charge of all the science. And he was a shyster. He was a crook. So anyway, so just Cherisley wrote, well, grisly.
Yeah, whatever his name is. Anyway, he had different reasons for doing this. He was part of this surrealism movement which was trying to subvert reality with their own with unreality by making it. So for him, this was all part of a giant scheme of art.
So, so burning reality with this with this fake reality. So he's like Andy Kaufman. And so he and Franz Kafka all put together. And so after he and Plantard, after he and Plantard had a falling out, he admitted that he wrote these, that he forged these parsments.
And the santa and plantard had a falling out because over royalties from this book. But the forgery didn't completely fall completely apart until Plantard, during the, when I forget which French president, Mr. Mittrom, yeah. Yeah, it's close.
It's the room. No, no, no, anyway, anyway, it's my president. It's my president. There's somebody in his administration with being investigated for corruption or something like that.
I'm thinking. And so Plantard did the stupid thing of accusing him of something or trying to link him to some of this stuff in the priory of scion, forgery, stuff like that. This guy went involved in it. And he wasn't involved at all.
But what it said was that poor Plantard, they have to come to court and testify in their office, where he admitted that the whole thing was a forgery, that the whole thing had been made up. And so, I think I'm going to have the DaPingey code. Remember when I made up that stuff? Jesus, I'm not going to go in.
Give me now. So the DaPingey code is based on a theory based on forgery. How perfect is that for like today's society where you just like get on Facebook and you see people just angry, angry about something that like isn't it. Yeah, there's no fact that all involved in it.
But they're just building up on these layers of what he said. Or outrage over an onion article by my favorite. You believe this. So Donald Trump brought aliens to the country.
I told you he was going to do it. Look at how sorry I hope it's not true. And it's the onion. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're not aware, every website that's not one of the top networks that you've heard of is a satire site.
Every one of them. The real facts is not the website they're going to give you. No. So anyway, the truth, what really happened with Sanyé and Ren-Le-Cheto, the legend of this parchment, this whole thing, that wasn't Plantard who started that.
That was some restaurant owner started that to drive business, to get business, people come to the restaurant and come to Ren-Le-Cheto. What that story was bullshitting? That shit, well not all of it. But the whole finding the parchment was bullshitting.
What? There were no parchment at all. There were no parchment at all. Not one.
That was the fucking parchment in the whole thing. What happened? So this restaurant owner had started that. So Plantard had taken that story and then turned it into the old thing.
So what really happened with Sanyé is that he was selling, no, he was selling masses. They were allowed, priests were allowed to save three masses per day and they could charge one frank per mass but they weren't to do more than that. And so he was selling hundreds, thousands of masses to people. There's no prayers for that.
And then he wasn't doing it. He was just taking the money and using it to remodel the church, to build his chateau, to build his library. He's like, gimme a penny. I'll try for you.
You know, it's hell of an angel. They call it seed money. Just give me your seed money. They'll say give me your seed money.
Give me your seed money. They'll say that on TV. Just send in your seed. I'll pray over that seed.
I really don't know the rest of that. He actually got some seed that he was very happy about. That's what he stopped it. Anyway, so Sanyé was even, he was, the church took away his priest job for him.
They punished him when they found out about this. Because he was selling these masses, but he kept doing it. And there was no recourse for that. Well, when they said, no, I quit.
And he stayed in his chateau with his housemate and all these thousands and thousands of dollars that he made from selling these masses that he never performed. So, this is more compelling than the actual division. I know. The truth is always another vision.
The thing is, this guy, so he's going to sell indulgences. Well, they weren't indulgences. They might have been masses and whatnots to these people. And so to avoid getting caught, he makes up a story where he has blackmailed the Vatican to keep a secret about Jesus knocking up Mary Magdalene, then having a baby.
He's not the one who made up any of that stuff. He found the scrolls. No, there were no scrolls. So all he did was sell these masses and make lots of money.
And so suddenly, instead of being a poor priest, he was a rich priest. But a story was told about him by a restaurant owner 50 years after he died, nor 40 years after he died. He found the parchment. As a way, as a legend, as a way to get people to come and either area, spend money buying stuff in his restaurant.
Someone later heard about the story of the restaurant guys made up and sold his fact. And then the people used this story and they created this whole hoax around it for their agenda, which was then used by these people who didn't realize any of that to make these documentaries and then then write this book, trying to follow the evidence of this, which then led to a novel being written about the story. The hypothesis. In the beginning of his book says this is fact.
Because he believes it. He puts it as a page of the thing. Everyone does not believe this is fact. The novel is a fact.
The novel is fiction. But in the beginning, he lists a series of sentences that he says are facts and involves his primary son. He's telling you it's fact even though Jeff just debunked it. Right.
There was a priority of science created in 1099 or whatever it was, but it disappeared. It's not the one that's part created that was going around forging all these documents. 1099. What was that?
No, you're thinking of the magnet Vista. The magnet Vista. It's probably not one who knows Vista. It's a random condom.
I think it's a magnet. So just like any good lie, it's based in enough facts and reality where it's hard to tell what is real and what's up because you know that a lot of stuff is real. Like all these all these nice templers, there's all kinds of mysteries around the templers and they really did exist and they really were massacred and their treasure really did disappear. And they had a purpose and they really did have these mountain fortresses in the rental chateau area.
So there's all of these things that are true that this host was placed inside of that made the host hard to discount because you can't discount these other facts. Right. There's so much truth. There's truth.
And real mystery. Right. It's like you can't prove that I don't keep you all from being attacked by tigers. Well that's true.
You've never been attacked by a tiger in my presence. So I am a tiger for a current. Or werewolf or talent because you don't know. I mean that's true.
I mean that's a very special. I mean that's a very special. But yeah I'm glad you didn't go werewolf on that. Well maybe I'm not glad.
I'm a little disappointed. This is what I know about the guy that had the restaurant. These are the things I know for a fact. The food was mediocre.
That's what I heard. He made a story. It was all of Missyas. It was all of Missyas.
Which doesn't fool anybody. The food is mediocre. He builds a touristy kind of thing and gives himself a gift shop that people go to to make up for the mediocre food and he probably has a little bit of a front porch. What does that sound like to you?
Cracker Barrel. Exactly. The man. It all comes back around.
Cracker Barrel. Cracker Barrel. That's right. That's right.
I know you are incredibly frustrated because we're not going to be attacked by the entire time. But it wasn't very good. Even though Ron doesn't understand any of it. I don't know.
We just did a thing. Ron's still thinking about the guy that got punched by a train. That's so funny. You got punched by a train.
It was a boxing glove. I was not the shoulder clean off. We hate that. Like when I be that werewolves.
Just like that. The story of the hoax and how this whole thing happens is much more compelling in reality than the theory. I wanted to rail on Dan Brown earlier because I've read quite a few Dan Brown books and he tells an engaging story. It flies.
It's got quick pays. There's a really good art and history in there. Even though I've got some history that lie. My God.
The man cannot write characters. And that's like we talked about in the horror. That's what makes Stephen King's writing. Yeah, so compelling.
We just carried her. How much does this character's art? And Dan Brown just came. Robert Langdon, the protagonist of the Da Vinci series.
just three books and that's yours. They're just, he's just a boring dude. There's five in it now. Yeah.
Is that right? Yeah. You know, with all three of his books that he's written since the Dementia code out have um, Langdon as a financial. I thought it was just Dementia code, angels and demons.
Oh, that's right. There's four. Because I forget the third one. There's a law symbol in Burnell.
In Burnell. So since I've not seen the Dementia code as a worth, it's worth, it's worth. It's a very moving thing. It's a good idea.
Yeah. Oh, I can't. Who's the villain in Dementia code? Chris for a walk.
No. No. Oh, what a good villain. Oh, what a good villain.
He survived the concentration camp. He survived the concentration camp. He survived the concentration camp. And they would try and put statues on actors.
He was like, I'll never be marked again. I'm pretty sure I saw that on that. I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure about that.
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The search for the Divine Chicken. We had several fantastic entries. Yeah, there were really some sublime ones. And I do have to give an honorable mention to Andy Fries, Lady and Red.
The Chicken and Red which was the chicken and Red. I'm going to see Andy commenting. Well, this was the search for the Divine Chicken. It's the perfect chicken.
And I believe that Nathan Henderson with his pure white, proud. Huh, I wonder if he should win that award because it seems racist now that I speak it out. It's white. It's got a big cock.
Wait, it is a big cock. Well, either way, I'm going to give it to Nathan because I guess I have some issues that I need to work out. They're very easy. You're prize will run shortly.
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