This week's episode of the Wild Card Cast is brought to you by Cold It's Castle in Germany. Cold It's Castle. Boy, I can't believe you brought us all the way to Germany, Jeff. It's really breathtaking.
Look at the size of these archways. Nothing's too good for my friends. Here you see the double doors into the prison area. Good day, gentlemen.
My name is Bartlett, but you may call me Big X. As you know, an officer is bound by his duty and honor to escape. I have begun efforts to assist you both in maintaining both your duty and your honor by starting a tunnel in the Western Quadrant beneath the barracks in the French Quarter. You did what?
Janet, as a member of the ARF, you have a great deal of experience with Aberetta, a capable of flight. Is this great? That is correct, sir. This is a museum.
Don't embarrass me. I don't see how that's possible, sir. After we've escaped from this knotty hill with all-be-hailless heroes, it'll be a fine escape. It'll be better than fine, sir.
This shall be a really, really good escape. There you say great. Ah, shant. Very good, sir.
I brought you guys all the way to Germany to see the place. And this is how you guys act. Well, that's right. Why did you bring us both here to this Cold Castle of Terror?
Perhaps he's one of them, old boy. That's ridiculous. We'll see. Gonna eat him.
Help me move this stone slab. Knock it off! You guys are going to get us kicked out of here. Brilliant.
I hadn't thought of that. If we misbehave enough, we could escape simply by being kicked out. No, I'll head to the cocks tower. Yes, I believe there's a glider up top.
We can all three soar out of this castle and into Sweden. Switzerland. Nobody is flying the coldest cock. A big cock.
And what was that, old boy? About a cock. That's the name of the glider, the coldest cock. Well, why didn't you mention that last week?
Really? I see a boy. Well, let's get up there and ride that cock into infinity. That is what she said.
That's enough. I've never brought you guys here. Aw, don't be like that, buddy. We were just having fun.
Listen, we appreciate you bringing us here. And I thought since we were here in Coldest Castle, we could do like a great escape thing. I'll be rich in that room. Probably see if the Queen of Great Escape wasn't even in Coldest Castle.
It was Loofstall at three. I told you that last week. Oh, then you can be Lee Marvin. Lee Marvin wasn't even in the Great Escape.
That was the Dirty Doesn't. Oh, I want to be quick walker. I'll be Charles Robinson. Nobody is being anybody.
This is not the Great Escape. This is not the Dirty Doesn't. The war is over. This is a museum.
If you don't like it, there's the door to the parking lot. Just pass the gift shop. Okay, I'll go. Sorry, I embarrassed you in front of the Germans.
See you guys in the car. Look at him. He's so sad. Was that really necessary?
He's going to have to learn how to behave in public. Or we can't invite him on any more wild card outings. I get it, Jeff. But I just hate to see him all sad like that.
He only has himself to blame. Hey, guys. Look what I found in the parking lot. Get off that thing.
Please, Steve McQueen. Nobody is Steve McQueen. This is not the Great Escape. Great Escape.
I'm gonna f***ing ask. Whoa! Take it outside. No way, I'm getting out of here.
Run on you crazy bastard. McQueen! Aah! Ron, you've clearly upset Jeff.
I think you should apologize. Roy Harley never apologizes. Jeff, I think that's the best you're gonna get. All right, I guess I'll take it.
Welcome to the wild card podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eaton. And my co-pilot on this journey to wherever. Are my good friends, Jeff Curtis.
Hello. And the only man to escape Colitz Castle. But they return because, quote, I missed the company, Ron Blair. That's me.
I heard they're great Colres though. They do have good Colres though. Yeah, and that's a lot of people. Oh yeah, a lot of poor.
A lot of Schnitzel going on. You're like Colitz Castle with the good court still. I'll stay in the mood. You go to Germany because you have to.
Yeah, sticking around, staying. Yeah. The deck heads stick around because they want to know what this podcast is all about. Well, as always, I'm happy to indulge.
Yeah, if you're sure with them. This podcast is about celebrating the life and work of Natalie Wood. From Gypsy Rose Lee to should not have worn that mink, Natalie Wood. Great.
So it's all about that. Great. Am I the only one that gets the mink joke? Yep.
She may not have drowned where she's not wearing a heavy mink when she fell into the ocean. Was she wearing a mink when she fell in? She might have been dead for she was anything. That's possible too.
Only Christopher Walker knows. He's not talking. He knows it all. Robert Wagner was there too.
Yeah, he was drunk. You know. Mike, did you fight for everyone? Mackenzie Swearz, Mr.
For walking through Natalie Wood. I say Robert Wagner because duh. That's like the obvious thing. He was along with her.
He pushed her off. She drowned. Well, what we can say is we want to have is a villain. One of them is maybe unless he died accidentally.
Speaking of villains. What makes a good villain? Charisma makes a good villain. A good evil laugh.
I think what we're coming to is that the three of us make great villains. As the question was, what are your favorite villains that you think the other guys could portray well? And that you would like to portray? Okay, that's a good question.
Do we want to go round one at a time? Or do we want to be a person at a time? Or do we want to do a person at a time? We want to draw lots.
Flip a coin. Let's start with Ron. Okay, my first choice. For yourself.
For Jeff. No, we're doing you. You're doing me. You're doing you.
All your villains. Oh, okay. So I'm starting with the villains that I want to play. We can do ours first for you and then you can do what you have.
Okay. Let's do that. So I'll start with my honorable mention for Ron. Okay.
So here's the way I set mine up. I have one that is from literature, so comic books or books. I had one that is from a movie. I had one that is like horror villain.
Yeah. And then I had a Bond villain. Very good. I know.
I know how the relation could fit any of those categories. Although usually that one was movies. So Ron, your honorable mention is Wilson Fisk. Oh, I love that.
He's the kingpin. He is a general slash Spider-Man villain. He's usually known for being a very big guy, but also like a masterful plotter. Yeah.
He's very smart. Full of the strings. Incredibly smart. So that was my honorable mention for you.
Yeah, Vincent and Alfred played him in the show. Amazing job. Did you see him in the Spider-Man? I have not yet.
He's the major one of the major ones of that too. And he's voiced by Lee Shriver. Oh, that's a good choice. I was just like a big guy.
Big guy. You know, because he's really big guy. No, he's great. Okay.
Well, I obviously did not do what Jared did. I just picked three villains. Yeah. I was having fun.
So I want to think. Okay. So my first villain is the Marlon Brando character Colonel Colonel Kirk in Apocalypse Now. Is this still for me?
Yeah. It's still Ron. I feel like it's Christmas. I don't think it's great.
I love that role. No, we're just going to start it then. Oh, oh, it's exciting. You want us to keep going and then you say you said you're sitting here.
Yeah, you guys go ahead and I'll tell you the time that I chose for my next is the literature one. Yeah, Randall flag. Oh, that's like, oh, yeah. Oh, it's not been my luck in the case.
I thought of that, but I I slept with movies for Ron. So my next one is to go who was played by Eli. Wasn't he good at that? Yes.
Yes, that's me. That is you. I am to go all over the place. Stop talking about that.
Oh, that's why. Yeah, I didn't judge. I watched that movie. I love that.
I'm not a pilot. Yeah, I told you. I told you one of the best is a great movie. Well, that's why I watched it.
That was the cleanest movie you got most excited about. And two go. Great villain. My next one is the whole thing with the pistol and the gun show.
Oh, I know. I know. Or horror movie villain. Yes.
Letterface. I've played letterface before. I enjoy playing letterface. But not enough.
Not in the movie. No, that almost made my list for myself. Yeah. But since I played before, I was like, I don't want to do that.
That's hard. That's hard work. All right. So my last one for Ron was Al Capone in the Untouchable.
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Every time I was a kid, I could play the shit out on that roll. You can play the shit out of your line from a movie.
I'm kind of a lector. Oh, my. Well, I didn't even, I dare not dream. That's good.
But I can play that one too. And then my final one, Bond villain, Ernst Stavro Blofel. Oh, the big one. The big one.
The big one. The table. I don't want to porting to you again. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I'd be putting a cat anyway. If I have one. That's true.
That's true. There you go. When I have a cat, I'm right to pretend that I'm a little bit. You'd like to pretend you're right.
I'm lowbrow. I'm lowbrow. I'm lowbrow. I'm not.
I'm not Mr. Bond. I expect you to die. That's a good one.
OK. Well, that's a great one. Yeah. So it's my turn.
It's already. Who would you pick for yourself? The first one is a historical figure. Oh, yeah.
I've always wanted to play Blackbeard. Oh, right. Yeah. Critical.
Yeah. And the next one is from the book Jurassic Park. I would want to play John Hammond. Oh, yeah.
He's no one in the book. Not in the movie. Yeah. As he cohenses it.
Richard Amiro. Negallian. Negallian. Yeah.
In the book, he's a crazy fucker in the book. He gets a little pro-comptom on the office. Yep. All right.
Let's do Jeff now. All right. OK. Jeff, my honorable mention for you.
This one didn't make a list. OK. Thanos. Thanos.
That's a good one. I get bigger guy. I get bigger guy. But he's a sympathetic villain.
Yeah. He's not as evil as a lot of people. Evil for the right reason. Absolutely.
OK. Not all the ones I pick for you were evil for good reasons. Right. I chose the first one.
I chose for Jeff was Ulrich Goldfinger. I had that one. I told him. I told him to do that one.
Yeah. So when you said I expect you to die, that's Ulrich Goldfinger. OK. That was actually my first one.
Oh, whoa. Yeah. A double one. Yeah.
Double finger. Double finger. What? Double finger.
All right. My next one, the first one, makes the most of the literature one, Saruman. Oh, on the rings. That's really cool.
That's good for him. Yeah. I could definitely had to be wizard. I could do that.
Oh, yeah. I went to the Marvel universe a few times. OK. He's got family that he's trying to save.
He was like a petty villain and then he was a relaxer. Now we can become a nipulite saying on it. He never was pure evil. He's not trying to rule the world.
He's trying to make a link to it. It's his dramatic heart that made me choose that. Next one for me is the horror villain, Jack Torrance. Oh, yes.
He could create a honest character. He's going slowly mad. He's going slowly mad. I chose two from history.
One for you and one for Jeff. Jeff's is Rasputin. I know he needs to be a musical, but I feel that the Jeff would make a good spin dollar. Yeah.
Next one for me. Well, last one for me is the movie villain, Emperor Palpatine. Oh, yeah. The entire book from the pre-plays.
Because he starts as the mentor, the friend, the people. He's pulling all the strings and he kind of realized what was wrong and then all the way through the original. All of a sudden, getting into your eye. Yeah, that would be fantastic.
I would love to do that. Getting into your eye. So the three that I chose for myself were all musicals. Oh, of course.
None of mine were. I didn't think it was. No, I didn't go that route. I want to play Jo there.
Oh, yeah. I want to play Frodo and Hunchback. Yeah, that's a good one. And I want to play Judge Turpin and Sweeney Todd.
Oh, that's a good role. Yeah. Nice. A show full of villains.
Yeah, everybody's a villain in that one. All right. So we're on to Jared then. First choice for Jared was Dr.
Doom. Oh, Jared would make an outstanding doctor. That's on. He's a Marvel villain.
He's typically the antagonist of Fantastic Four. He runs a country called Laffveria. That's very obvious. Sounds like an Eastern European country.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's very obvious.
Speaking of which though, as I thought about it, Jeff would also make a good another villain that I've now forgotten. Great. I'm glad you thought of that. Yeah.
What was the one you just said? What did I just say? Yeah. I said Laffveria Lithuania.
Eastern European. I can't think of it. It's gone. Oh, my God.
I thought Jeff would make a great doc. Honestly, you were doc. I see him with a lizard. Oh, okay.
Yeah, okay. I can see that. Okay. I'll play doc.
My first one for Jared is Norman Bates. Oh, I was my next one. I got it myself. So we're all great.
I'm a bit your Norman Bates. I take a lot of psychotic characters myself. Oh, they're the more fun. I've ever got to do that with that.
Okay. You got another one? My last one for Jared, my last one is Richard III. Okay.
From someone from history. All right. I know. It's an anti-climactic.
But that would be great for you. Yeah, I probably would be. My next one is the bad guy, Javier Bardam, and no control. I'm not sure.
I forget exactly what he's saying. I can't close to myself. I have your own number as well because I would do my bond villain. I like his in Skyfall.
I don't know what I'm talking about. Wait, wait, wait. I've got three for Jared. Dr.
Renee Belok in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Oh, Belok. Yeah, that's perfect. Excellent.
Go ahead. Blow it up. Send it back to God. I watched the auto-venture for me.
I watched the movie I watched last night. I never seen it before. I've owned it for almost a year now. But I finally watched it last night.
I watched. Oh my gosh. Do enjoy the electric sheet. Oh, I'm already ready.
Oh, yeah. I watched that. I'm really enjoying what's next to it. Oh my gosh.
Sweetish, I record Howard. Oh, that's perfect. I like his. He's so dark the entire time of the end.
He has like, he saves him. When his mission is obsolete. When his futile, he becomes a human. He just has a humanity.
He just has a humanity. He's just a humanity. I like his character. My literature one of you guys might not know this one.
He's Aussie Mandius. Oh, yeah. Because I've got it. He's not a red watchman yet.
Oh, that's an Aussie Mandius. Spoiler alert. If you don't want spoilers for a watchman. Aussie Mandius was a superhero along with the well-superhero.
He was a hero. And then for tires and announces who he is the public. He becomes very famous. He's very intelligent, smart, and in the world.
And you come to find out he's been killing other supervillain superheroes because he is going to essentially destroy New York to stop the Cold War and prevent complete nuclear annihilation. He unleashes a giant monster in New York City which kills millions of people but it stops the nuclear war that's starting to be Russian in the United States. He's definitely a villain but he does it for good reasons. It's like shooting your friend that's being held hostage.
No, no, not really. Because once you take out the hostage, there's no, they have nothing else. I don't want to. You still arrested him.
They were going to get it anyway. They were going to die in a new war. You would make a terrible hostage negotiator. No, I'd be awful.
I'd be like, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I'll get another hostage for you. How about that?
We'll just keep being up to you. I'm actually going to kill you. Great. You already saw my former movie, What's My Stuff Is Don't Worry Bates?
Yeah, yeah. Everybody agrees on it. Is my movie one but it's also a literature one and it's also a comic book character. Two-Face.
Oh yeah. Because if you've seen the Batman movies, most recently, not really. Most recently, but the other. What's the internet part?
He starts out as like the shining knight, the good knight, the good knight, and then becomes corrupted and gets his will broken. I'd still like to see you in the Tommy Lee Jones doofers make up. He'd be like hysterically, which is not a two-face thing at all. No, I think better written than that film because it's possible to write a better film than Batman forever.
Tommy Wiseau did it. It's the best Batman movie ever. Oh my God. My final one second only to Batman was my Bond villain.
I went over a ton. I considered Francisco Omega. Francisco Lee's a film guy. I considered Harvey Redham and Skyfall.
I'm going with Ringerant. Oh my gosh. The guy from Jaws. Oh, sure.
Oh, from Rich With Love. Yeah. My favorite. John Jay's Bond.
And he's helping Bond out the entire time, saving his life multiple times just so that he can kill him at the end and pick something from him. He needs Bond to steal something from him. He's like, you think I'm allowed to try. Great train fight now.
Along the train. Oh, it's wonderful. Speaking of train, I finally watched the 39th steps last night. The movie?
I figured I should see what it's all about. Was it as good as your production? It's a lot of it. It's line for line.
Yeah. The jokes are in there. Every character we played is in there. It's amazing.
Yeah. And I did expect so much of the drama to be what we made funny. We made it hilarious. It was really weird watching it.
Who was it? Three stars. Oh, it was fucked if I know. Those were the names of the people.
All three of them played all the multiple. Right. They played everybody. There was only four people in the film.
Alfred Hitchcock is one of them. Speaking of things, Ron knows. Ron knows what they topic is. I do.
I do. Today's Ron is so. We are swapping in the seats literally on Buffalo Cup. Well, we're very thrilled to be here today.
Thank you guys for letting me sit in. You've been begging us for months and months to allow you to come. And now I'm in the airport. Finally, yeah.
I actually worked on this one. There's an enormous deal to go over today. He actually had me print out pages. It's almost outlined.
It's a real report. Today, we've talked about our favorite movies. Right. The Wall.
The Wall. Not so much of my favorite list, but I enjoyed it. Can you name some of the horror movie list that I gave you two years ago? I said, you guys see me.
Jaws. Yes. We did one on that. There was Halloween.
We did one on Seven's Lambs. I know what your report is. I know. I know.
We did the K-Blood. Yeah, we did. Well, a few films. Well, it feels like a movie.
It was kind of the old stuff. I know the old stuff. Today, we're going to talk about, well, let me just get into the report and see how long it takes here to figure out. November 16, 1957 in Plainfield, Wisconsin.
A 51-year-old recluse by the name of Ed Gein was apprehended for the murder of two local women, Bernice Warden and Mary Hogan. This is not narrow down what film it could be to. I'm going to see a several films based on Ed Gein. When police searched his home, an old farmhouse, he had previously shared with his late father, brother, and mother.
They discovered a charnel house of the remains of women that Gein had exhumed from various local cemeteries. Yeah, we talked about him, we boarded him. Well, I touched on him in the serial camera. They found furniture into core fashion out of bones, a lampshade made of skin, the top of the skull that had been used as a bowl, shrunken heads, and several other various desecrations.
In 1940, Ed Gein's father died of heart failure due to alcoholism. Four years later, his brother in 1944, four years older than him, also died of a heart attack. Although the quarter found bruises on his head. Nobody suspected foul play.
Psychos? Yeah, yeah. You're not about psycho-day. Hey, I'm going to date.
You are. You're right. You're right. I have no idea what the category was when he said the deal and Norman Bates just fits in with Jared very well.
It's never been a compliment. I know. He couldn't find a shot out of it. Okay, so until Ed was discovered, nobody felt foul play on the brother.
And then they were like, wait a minute. I don't think he did it. I think it's all coincidental evidence. Anyway, this led him to let alone with his mother who had raised her sons in near isolation on the family farm.
She had been a domineering, fanatically religious woman who felt that all women except her were inherently whores and instruments of the devil. I mean, she's very wrong. Her isolationism went so far as whenever and attempted to make friends, he would be punished for making that a tale. And of course, this led a poor social upbringing.
Although he was known to have been a good student despite being rather odd. His teacher was quoted as saying sometimes he just kind of burst out laughing like he was laughing at some of you. In a sense, maybe pretty much. I doubt Ed had the same help laughing that I get.
That's fine. His mother passed away a year and a half after his brother, which left Ed in the old farmhouse alone. He was well liked by the Townfall Conplain Field. While they remembered to him as quite odd, they would have never dreamed that Ed would have been capable of his actions.
And this is his deal predated almost all the zero killers that we think of today, except for maybe age age. He's like, you playing those where you're thinking hadn't filled. Well, it's just Nora of Illinois and Wisconsin. So Ed was very likable.
Everybody thought he was a great guy. Never would have expected that. But when they searched his house, they found Death Cult magazines and adventure stories involving cannibals and Nazis. So he was kind of...
I'm still struggling to distinguish you and him. I don't like Nazis as much. He's a very clear. He's against Nazis.
I'm opposed to not. He's pro-cannibalism. Yes, he's against Nazis. You know, I don't think he's a pro-cannibalism.
That's just my pro-choice cannibalism. Like if you choose to be a cannibal, live and let live. Except for the people being eaten by the cannibals. I'm for it if they volunteer.
I want someone to volunteer. I want someone to volunteer. But people get in trouble doing that because there's always some bad shit crazy person that's like, oh, let's eat me if you kill me. And I'm not doing that.
Sorry. I'm not a food processor. Ed, I can confirm that. Yeah, I don't want to be processed.
I'm not a food processor. Ed, Dean died in the Mendota mental hospital on July 26, two days after my birthday, 1984, at the age of 77. He had been known as a model patient, friendly, likable, and hardworking. Dean inspired such films as Deranged House of Thousands of Corpses, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Silence of the Lambs, and the film we're discussing today.
I know a lot of this came up in the villains. Yeah. It's just how good a villain that I'm having. And the crazy thing is, Ed, Dean had two victims and was oddly, I don't know how you put it to calm.
Yeah. I'm not normal by any means, but he was not what you would consider like a gay, see or a bun dee or any of those guys. Moving on. At the time of games arrest, that's a smooth.
That was a segue. Yeah. Segue roughly. I just realized like a couple weeks ago that when I say see, it's still spelled S-E-U-E, but it's pronounced segue because the U-E.
Yeah. And that blows my mind a little bit. Say U. Sometimes I'm a little slow.
No. Yeah. At the time of games arrest, writer Robert Block was living 35 miles away from Plainfield in a town called Weowego. Where are we going?
Where are we going? Wisconsin. Where are we going? Wisconsin.
We're going to do it. Cheesebikes. Oh, that's good stuff up there, routine. And he was working on his novel Psycho at the time of games arrest.
By this time, Block had already written Most of Psycho, which is surprising. I'll get to why in a minute, which was an awful about the character of Norman Bates, who runs an almost-abandoned motel on a stretch of highway in California after the interstate systems have made some highways obsolete. It's another example of horror and the economy. That sort of, we've dried out in this once civilized place and there are things that work there.
We are led to believe that Norman lives in a Victorian home overlooking the motel with his domineering psychotic mother, who murders any woman she thinks Norman may feel an attraction to. Of course, it is later revealed that Norman, whose hobby, his taxidermy, has been keeping the corpse of his mother in the Victorian home and would sometimes hold entire conversations with himself as mother. And you'll see the similarities between Dean and Norman even before Block knew about the whole thing. Block had begun writing Psycho with a notion that the guy next door could be a monster, unsuspected even in the gossipy microcosm of small town life.
He had almost completed the novel when Dean was arrested, although Norman's relationship with his mother and the seemingly same motivation for murdering women were almost exact. In fact, in the novel, when Mary and Crane, it's Mary in the novel, when Mary and Crane's sister, played by Vera Miles in the film, investigates the Victorian home, she discovers books in Norman's bedroom about the occult, abnormal psychology, and pornography. Years later, Block admitted to being quite surprised at the similarities, most of which were unintentional. He had a little bit about inspired from Dean at the end of his novel.
The book was published in 1959 by Simon & Schuster and is regarded as one of the most important works of horror literature ever written. The novel spawned two sequels, Psycho 2, which is in no relation to the film's sequel. Psycho House, a 1990 novel by Block about the motel having become a tourist attraction, and Robert Block's Psycho Sanitarium by Williamson, set between the events of Psycho and Psycho 2. The novel also inspired the film, which spawned three sequels, a television pilot in 1987, an almost shot for shot word for word remake from the guts of the end of 1998, and the research made it to Motel, which I think started in 2013 or so.
I couldn't get past the disregard for canon. I didn't like it, and I'm so ingrained in Psycho. I think they couldn't because they were remaking it again. That would be it.
I understand they had to change it and modernize it and all that. Not so damn married to Psycho. Well, that's how I end with the hit movies. Although I would have been open to the...
Are you talking about the haunting movies? No. Oh, about it. I'm okay with it.
Did you mention a movie before that? I said the haunting movies. Yeah, the haunting movies. TV shows came up with it.
Oh yeah, I can't get past that. I have so strong with that. It's a property we love so much. Seeing someone fiddle with it.
It's just, you know, it was fun, but it was not what I love from the book. I love that book. It's just a story. Yeah, when they remove what we love about the originals and they fiddle with it and change it and modernize it, it loses something for me.
I like these entertainments as a historical capsule of that time period. You can learn a lot from them. With a book, I love the way King Transitions into chapters with the TV. If you guys read it, you can read it.
It starts with like, in the present day, the character. They remember the past. It comes to the past. I love all of my cadence, little memoirs, history, and a lot of just that heart of the book, that kind of sustains the narrative.
It's just a little horrible. Sure. Sure. It's such an epic story.
It's all there. Anyway, the late 1950s, Alfred Hitchcock had already become one of the Hollywoods. Hitchcock. Hitchcock.
Hitchcock. Hitchcock. Hitchcock. Had already become one of Hollywood's most accomplished and most revered filmmakers having directed such films as.