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Nothing to do but get... Rocky Mountain High Colorado. Welcome to the Wild Card Podcast. I'm your host, Jared Eden.
And my co-pilots on this journey to wherever are my good friends, Jeff Curtis. Hello. And the Baron of Bad Assery, Ron Blair. Hello.
You know we do well. Absolutely. Well, it's good to be with you guys again. It's been a couple weeks.
It's always nice to be back here in front of our glorious microphone. Share our golden tonsils with the world. But just as before we get into it, I think what everyone here wants to know is, how is King's Island? Were there six involved?
There were no six involved, but I will tell you that King's Island has a problem with fat people. I'll tell you right then, right now. And it's my fault that I'm fat, sure, but I feel that there should be signs that say fat people may not ride most of these fucking rides. Okay.
I lived through the humiliation of having to leave six roller coasters that did not have seats in front of the ride to lessen the embarrassment. So yeah, sitting in the seat and watching them struggle to shove you in there and then not being able to fit. You got to get up and do the walk of shame out of it. That was awful.
I mean, it was really, really awful. And like this, after the six time I was like, fuck you, King's Island. And I wrote shitty things on the Facebook page. I had to vent.
I really had to vent. And then later on, you guys know Austin Hale. Well, he was doing this ladder game where you climb up the ladder and you got to ring the bell, but the ladder is a rope ladder and it's easy to flip over. He was playing this game because he felt like he could do it.
I was like, oh, he's a little guy. No, but as soon as you flip over, it's done. Your game is done. You have to pay more and start over.
And this is on top of having to pay ridiculous amounts of money for everything up there. Food is triple what they, food at King's Island cost more than what it does at Disney World. And the Disney World food is a damn site. Better at doing it to you.
And they have tons of hidden costs up there at King's Island. For instance, on their website, they say 1099 for a souvenir cup and you get free refills for the day that you're there or dollar refills. And then my wife checked on it. And that is the deal as long as you buy three cups.
Whereas if you buy one cup for $30, you get free refills all day. Oh, $30 for drinking. Right, right. It's only just three unlimited drinks.
It's three unlimited drinks. King's Island, they will just nickel and dime you until you're dead. $30 more than that. And they already take like half of my weekly paycheck.
Even get up there, buy the pay for the parking, all of this stuff, get kicked off of six rides. And then my friends, Austin is playing this game. He flips the ladder on his 25th, like he had spent $25 at this point. He really wanted to win it.
You know, he's a knucklehead. We love him. But he had flipped over and he wasn't letting go. And he was trying to flip himself back over.
And this douche bag punk kid with a supervisor badge on him comes out and like starts yelling at Austin saying that's not how you do it. Flip yourself over. And then didn't even give him a chance to explain but told the girl that was running the ride that Austin was not allowed to play anymore. Yeah.
They felt a little bit of a poster with his face on. Yeah, that's one of the things they were like, he's the get the hell out of here. Get away from my ladder. And so his stepdad Toby, who is not the angry letter writing kind that I am.
He'll knock on your door if he's pissing you. You know, get into the driveway and beat the shit out of you. And so he talked to the supervisor there, the actual supervisor, who apologized, said he would file an incident report and then he gave them two cokes. So yeah, that was like $6.
That was a ton of money there. And then I was like, really? They're going to, they're shit on me today. They're shit on Austin.
They're nickel and diamond people to death. They're sucking the money out of people. They're acting like their universal studios. When they cannot, you know, they couldn't hold universal's dick to pee.
Okay. King's Island is if you have to choose, choose holiday world or Kentucky Kingdom, which is it, Kentucky Kingdom is horrible. But it's a damn site better than being treated like shit by these snot-nosed- Have you been able recently to keep cooking them? I went last year.
Okay, so you've been able to. Yeah, we had season tickets. Maybe the newer re-release might be better. No, not really.
But we had season tickets and after the first day, you know, they're like, you go a day and a half and these tickets are paid for themselves. There is six hours of fun to have a Kentucky Kingdom in total. And that's why I give Kings Island. They're at least fun, you know, between being pissed off holding their awesome roller coasters.
Yeah, the water rides and the log flume and all that. That was fun. They let me on those. No, I didn't sing any phones.
I was okay. Although on the log flume, somebody was shoveling ice into the water. No, no, no, because it was much colder than the other rides. So it was fun.
I had fun that day. But there was also, if I'm going to spend half of my bi-weekly salary on a little mini-vacation, should I be pissed off four or five times a day by the corporation that I've given my money to? Absolutely not. You know, it's unacceptable.
Especially when there's places like Dollywood that treat you like gold, you know, the customer service is fantastic. That place is like Dollywood, yeah, good food, great atmosphere, or even Silver Dollar City. It's a little cousin in Branson. I like the cake.
Missouri, they're great. Yeah. So Kings Island, let me put you on a great ride and treat you like shit all day long. That's what their marketing slogan should be.
We're going to kick in the D, kick you off our rides and stuff the money out of your bank account. Thanks, Kings Island. You're going to do a cat party for free. I could have done a cat party.
Yeah, but you know, we could have got that sweet video on Facebook, of us dancing. Yeah. Well, yeah, fuck you, Kings Island. Thank you for your time.
One thing you'd like to do at the start of our podcast is get to know us a little bit. I think we got to know Ron. I know Ron's a lot of Kings Island. I know, short feuds.
But I always ask like a favorite question. What's your favorite something? So this week, it's a very general question. What is your favorite site?
Favorite site you've ever seen? Something you've seen that will stick with you for the rest of your life. Like a visual thing. You could have been a place event.
So I'll go first while you guys give me a ton of things. When I graduated high school, I had three friends and we'd saved up money all year. I had two jobs, my senior year of high school. And we took a road trip to Colorado.
But we can have two weeks. Yeah. And we saw in waterfalls, we went hiking. We were the cool things we did.
We watched the sunrise, we climbed a mountain. We were on the top of flat top mountain at 6 a.m. We started the hike at 3.30. Yeah.
And we went to watch the sunrise over the mountains from the mountain. It was beautiful. But the coolest thing we saw there was another day we were driving on Trail Ridge Road, which is the highest highway in America. Yeah.
And we saw moose and lakes and it hasn't break food. We're driving back and we're near the top and I asked my friends if we could just chill out here. And we got to see the stars. No ambient light.
Just stars from high. I mean shooting stars every couple minutes. No, no ambient light anywhere. Yeah.
It was beautiful. So that's what something for me is just being out there lying on the top of these mountains looking at the stars. Wow. That's lovely.
So that's a sight I've seen that I'll always remember. It doesn't happen to be like natural beauty. It could be something you've done or something. It could be beauty or maybe it's your story.
I am inspired by many things. Your favorite sight for the crazy shit that's been in my life. But if I had to just choose one. Your favorite sight.
My favorite sight last year when we were driving to New York City and nobody in my family had gone. We were seeing Gillian Anderson in a production of a Streetguarding Desire which was wicked awesome. And on the New Jersey Expressway or whatever the New Jersey takes you to the Holland panel, we saw our first glimpse that day of the Empire State Building above the trees. And it was maybe three seconds that we were able to see the top of the Empire State Building but it was awe inspiring.
You know, if you've never been to New York and Jeff's lived in New York, then you've been doing it. So when you first see the thing that makes you realize I'm close to New York, it's this overwhelming feeling. It's not the prettiest thing you've ever seen. But it is one of the most awe inspiring things I've ever seen.
And then you see the city. When you start to see the city, you go, when is this city in? And it never turns around and arrives. To a lesser extent.
I still get that way when I go to St. Louis and see the arch. I get that. Even though I've been to St.
Louis many times, the arch still kind of, I've lived it all when I drive past it. For several weeks now I've been hooked on a 2014 MLB the show. We were playing it, and I'll say it Bush Stadium the other day. You can see the arch from the batter's box.
And I got that little thrill just to see it in the video game. Oh, I've been there. I've seen Bush Stadium from the arch, which is cool. I had a number of locations and places and things run through my mind.
But going with positive things, the Tower of London, when I first went to the Tower of London, when I was 16, that was pretty amazing. I've been at 16. It really was. I was walking through the rooms and the walls and how cool.
Especially when you've thought of castles and all those things and growing up. It's fresh in your mind. And to even be in a different country in Europe, at the age of 16, must have been amazing. Oh, that was very cool.
This podcast that we have here, our Journey to Wherever, is one of which one of us will take a topic or something and discuss it with the others or present it to the others. And this week, the presenter is our own Jeff Curtis. Gentlemen, last time I let us through our conspiracy theory. This time we're on a different track.
So what do you think of when I say the word swashbuckling? I think pirates automatically. I think of how swash means nothing to me and buckling also means nothing to me. So yeah, buckling, to me, means like the knees buckle and they move back until they come back anymore.
I was thinking of like putting on a buckle. Or that kind of buckle. Luckily, yeah. And if you're only according to the show chopped, there's a dessert that's a buckle but I wasn't even sure what that was after I saw the dish.
If you spell buckle, be you CCA-L first with a cheek area. Oh, the facial cheek area. Just making sure. Oh, we are already gone.
We are on top. Yeah. We lost the wild guard with the wing rubbing. But speaking of pirates, that's not what I have in mind.
Oh, Paris. Watch, but this is nautical. And there is criminality involved. Ooh, I love non-criminality.
But not piracy. But not piracy. And historically, true. I'm all about this.
OK. This is awesome. All right. Oh wait, can I make a guess?
Yes, please do. Is it about? Oh, there's a Vero Beach, Florida. Is it about the hurricanes that sank the Spanish Armada treasure off the coast of?
Absolutely not. OK. But that is where my kid lost lived. How did you think?
Have you been down there many times? Have you been down there many times? A doubloon or anything? Oh, sorry.
I visit the retirement community that my in-laws live in. OK. You're not so much swash buckling as you are buckling them in her home age. Do you have a guess?
You would like to make a theory. I have nothing. We are going to be talking about mutiny on the bounty and what happened to the mutiny. I have her.
Oh, I actually have her. You have her. I have her to be in the bounty. There were at least two films.
There were at least three films. There were at least three films. One of which I have on my bookcase back there. Very nice.
OK. All right. So what do you know about mutiny on the bounty? What do you think you know about mutiny on the bounty?
It's a better question. I know nothing. I know nothing at all. I know some of the character names.
And I don't even know that I know that. But if you say character name, I'll go, oh, yeah, I've heard of that. Oh, gosh. I know so many small fragments.
I don't know if I can compose them. I know there was an island where they established themselves for a while. I think the ship, the bounty, was hired to go somewhere. Were there the practice years?
Well, a bounty was actually a merchant ship that was commissioned by the Royal Admiralty to transport breadfruit from Tahiti to the islands in the New World. And I guess it would be to make a question. It was the West End, the West End. So as a cheap food for slaves.
OK. The captain was not very popular. Do you remember who the captain was? Captain Bligh.
That is correct. Now, according to the movie, in Mutiny on the Bounty, where you have Captain Bligh played by Trevor Howard, and you had Marlon Brando playing Fletcher Christian. Who was the mutiny? Who was the mutiny?
How old are you? And in the bounty, which had Mel Gibson as Fletcher Christian and Anthony Hopkins as a lie, how old do you think Captain Bligh was when he sailed to Tahiti? When he sailed to Tahiti, I'm going to guess he was 48. I was going to guess much younger than that.
He was only 33. 33? Yes. And he was one of the older members of the crew.
The crew was incredibly young. Most of them were in their early 20s. That's actually what I was going to guess he was. Was this because of the natural lifespan of someone who chose to be on the seas like that?
He went on his first sea voyage as a cabin boy at seven. Oh. So that then people started their naval careers young. Yeah.
How, what do you know about, what have you heard about Bligh? And that's really it. That's how you said that. Maybe Kerm Gudgini.
Kerm Gudgini. He was like Homer Simpson's dad. A little cranky. Aips Simpson.
A little cranky. Unreasonable at times. He probably didn't care for oatmeal and he only had the lemons because he had to. That's what I'm thinking about Captain Bligh.
That's what the lesson in facts about Captain Bligh. You probably don't have those in your notes. Yeah, no. Those are different facts than what I have.
Those are alternative facts than I have. But Bligh was 33 when he sets out for Tahiti with the bounty. They were going to bring Brent fruit to the islands in the Caribbean. On board that ship there, he was one of a crew of 44.
Okay. That just sounds like the worst sort of punishment. Just going on the boat without the guys and being side-to-side. How many months?
How many months would that take? Well, here's the deal. The trip, Bligh was an ambitious captain. And he had wanted to circumnavigate the globe because he had originally sailed with Captain Cook when Cook was exploring the West Indies and he was there when Cook was murdered, which I believe was in Hawaii.
I think you're correct. So he had actually had a lot of experience sailing. He was an amazing navigator. And so I forget what the question was that I was answering.
But the bounty was 90 feet long and 10 inches long and 24 feet, 4 inches wide. So it's not quite a galleon. The birdie's were correct. It's pretty small.
Or a nail. Yeah. And she had three masks. Try reindeer.
Try reindeer. Which were very high to 49 feet. So they weren't uniform. The bounty was specifically purchased by the Navy and refitted for the trip to Tahiti.
It was given a copper under coating or on the bottom of it so that it wouldn't rot. That was a new thing that they were doing. They found that if they covered the bottom of it and ironed it, they didn't get worms. And other things that would destroy the wood.
Right. Okay. So they refitted it so that the captain's cabin once it got to Tahiti could be filled with red fruit and he would give up his cabin for storage. Okay.
So this small boat, they then took like a third of the living quarters to the ship. And then they took the to put red fruit and making everybody else more crap. I think I see a problem starting. Yeah.
But you see where you guys are living comfortably. All 44 of you. Right. Right.
Other things in there. We're going to take most of your room out for the red fruit. Which is ironic because right now Ron and I are snuggling. We're quite close right now.
Ron is the big snuggling. So is the rest of the snuggling? I hope it is. I think it is.
I think the pirates snuggle. No, no, no, no. No pirates. No pirates.
No pirates. I think the crew had to snuggle pissed them off a little bit. You are on to something. We nailed it.
Yes. So on the voyage to Tahiti. Yeah. Bligh thought that the shortest route would be to go around the Cape of Good.
Oh, which is not a three hour tour. Which is sad. Because it was more direct. But the weather there is so terrible.
It was getting rough. If you don't, if you don't, if you don't round the, the horn at the right time. The weather is horrible. So they spent a month trying to go around the horn and it almost killed them.
The tiny boat was very close. So then they had to, so they had to change directions and go the long way to Tahiti. So that whole thing took them like six months longer to get to Tahiti than they had planned. I don't understand how anyone would be getting upset at all.
Well, I don't, I think if not for the courage of the fearless crew, the bounty would be lost. The bounty would be lost. So thank you for indulging me. I'm going to finish that.
So the bounty makes it to Tahiti. Well, you know what, you're away. In that, in 1787 is when it, when it left, it was a fine year for ships. Cheeses, wines, certain wines.
It was December 23rd, 1787 that it sailed for Tahiti. I was 200 years before I was born. Is that a captain's law? Exactly.
Well, this has a lot of dates on it. What's the starting on this? The starting. I have no idea.
I can't translate it into the start date without the proper instrument. The coder and the coder. I'm a doctor. I'm not a coder.
So they got to Tahiti on October 26th, 1788. Not quite a year. It took them ten months to get there basically. And that's a long time to be cuddled on a boat.
That's a long time for 44 men to be stuck on a boat together. Also, Bly had started rationing food on the way because they didn't want to stop because that took extra time. Right. You lost so much time that you thought you didn't need food?
It's about a strip. They steal women. They do steal women. I remember this now.
Yeah. Not yet. Not yet. I'm looking at it.
Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So.
They made a couple stops on the way getting there. But it took them ten months to get to Tahiti. So they got there at the wrong season to get breadfruit to grow. Oh, my God.
So they went around picking breadfruit, but the breadfruit kept dying because it was the wrong season to transplant the breadfruit in order to do. But the five months they spent on Tahiti was the best time of the sailors lives in their entire lives because it's Tahiti. It's Tahiti. It's Tahiti.
It's warm. The nadies are very kind and gentle and humanitarian towards the women love them. They're having sex all over the place. They're eating as much as they want.
Because they're not sailing. They only have responsibilities whether either gathering breadfruit or they're on duty on the ship and the rest of the time they're out cavorting with the nadies. So morale is at an all time high. So morale is at an all time high.
So morale is at an all time high. Burial is at a low and you have to do anything with Captain Blime who will leave the ship. So we also have to talk about something else to intercede. Can you talk about breadfruit for a second?
Yeah. I'm not quite familiar with breadfruit. I just figured it was fruit and bread. It's an actual fruit.
It's an actual fruit. I didn't know much about it. I knew it was close to the mulberries but I didn't realize it was also related to jackfruit. Jackfruit?
Jackfruit. It's a fruit that bums eat when they're like... I'm rolling. You see what I did there?
I see what you did there. I think it's fruit that we throw it at bums. When cooked to the taste of moderately ripe breadfruit is described as potato-like or similar to freshly baked bread. So it's probably starchy.
It's probably starchy fruit. It's probably starchy fruit. And that's why it would have done well in the Caribbean to keep falling healthier. You know, a friend might there be easy to grow and feed slaves.
I wouldn't think it would travel super well but I guess you don't like it. When you're feeding the slaves you don't care what the food is like. Well, they... So over the five months they were planting the fruit and plants and getting it into pots.
They ended up with like a thousand fifteen of these plants, these breadfruit plants to take on. You know they're just harvest. They were... They were...
There was a lot of these. And while they were there, their surgeon, Huggins died because he was an alcoholic and he drank himself to death. So he died six weeks into their stay on Tahiti. On their boyage to Tahiti they lost one of their crew who got gangrene and the doctor Huggins didn't treat properly.
And so Valentine died on the trip to Tahiti. So by the time he got to Tahiti there was only 42. Right, right. Not bad.
So two decades later the Lewis and Clark expedition. Really? Yeah, we were about to go to the 1804. All the guys who went from the lube to part out from the lube came all the way back.
Only one person died on an entire trip. And his name was Sergeant Charles Floyd. He died of a pen decidus in St. Charles, Missouri.
Before they even left. Like on their way out. That's the only person who died on their side. This is Clark kept everybody's eyes.
That's the name of American side. That helped. But that's just what you were talking about these people dying of gangrene and alcoholism. Like that's...
Gangrene, it makes sense on an expedition. You wouldn't think about that. Yeah, it's something like that. What would you die of on this trip wrong?
I think just certainly this. Yeah. Just general poor attitude. Well that would have got you flawed especially.
As soon as he started rationing I'd have been like, well this is horseshit. And they would have started beating me. Just to shut me up. They noticed one night that you weren't in there snuggling with everybody else.
You would come back to the room with all the food. And you were snuggling with some food. I would have been eating my fair share of breadfruit at the time. I'll tell you that.
And they would beat the shit out of me for it. It's just insubordination. That's something that you'll be at your first 48 last year with the cat and nine tails. No, it's the same thing that's going to get me on this life when you got me back.
That means subordination. So while they were in Scurvy, well they didn't have Scurvy on the bound because they had lots of bread. I like Scurvy. I'm okay with Scurvy.
I'll be fine. While they were in Tahiti, they had three other crew tried to jump ship and escape and desert. So they were hunted down. They were brought back.
Two of them were all sentenced to be flogged. Two of them received 48 lashes of 24. 24 lashes back with a lot of heal for a week and then there were other 24 lashes. And their ringleader was sentenced to 24 lashes and he was given 12 and then 12.
Which makes no sense. But it's trickled down. It's trickled down punishment is what it is. He's the best.
He originated the idea. He originated the idea. We have been seeing since then, how effective trickled down. He is.
Also while they were in Tahiti, at least a couple of the crew were flogged by Captain Bligh for allowing Tahiti to steal things from the ship like a knife. Well that makes sense. But if they didn't have a knife, where would they get warm? Make it.
Out of Mike's office? Is that right? I got three more pockets right now. I just feel bad for those people.
They didn't ask for that. No they didn't ask. They stole it. They stole it.
So anyway, while they were in Tahiti, Fletcher Christians spent the entire time assigned to be a storm guard watching these plants along with the gardener and the botanist. And there were three other guys who were also assigned to be a short-off. Most of the crew ended up getting lots of tattoos while they were there. Tahiti is where the name for tattoos comes from Tahiti.
Was it the henna tattoos they talked about? Or chiseled into your body? Chiseled into your body. Yeah.
So anyway, they were sleeping with lots of women. A lot of them had consorts that they were sleeping with. Several consorts. They had friends with Tahiti.
If only had a surgeon take care of the neural disease. I was about to say, how did this be? It was on the rampage. Between the dirty tattoo needles.
They arrived in Tahiti on October 26, 1988. They left Tahiti on April 4, 1789. That's five and a half months later. We already, almost a year after they left.
More than a year after they left. He's already pissed off six out of 42 people. And their doctors did. Well, the doctors did.
Well, he knew that the lie knew that his doctor was drunk before he left England and he tried to get him reassigned but the admirally wouldn't do it. So he got an assistant surgeon to assign to his crew at the same time. So he had to have someone to replace. When he had one.
Right. I'll go with incapacitated. So he was smart enough to do that. Well, I also.
I'm going to stop you right there for a second because I shouldn't have used that phrase. No, that's okay. Because we have an assistant surgeon. But he didn't say the guy would get angry.
Well, he's probably not that good. Well, he wasn't assigned to help to be the assistant. He was just a sailor until he was told by blood that he was the new surgeon. He had nothing to do with anything as far as searching went.
He was just there as a sailor. So he's the current frog me sitting at the t-saying down my problem. No, my problem. He's just sitting there looking at Tahitian and drinking coconut milk.
That's what he does. Well, he doesn't see he. And the old doctors dying. Well, but Valentine, the guy who died of gangrene died on the voyage to Tahitian.
And the doctor didn't even inform lie that he was seriously ill until a day before he died from gangrene. You know what? It's no big deal. It's no big deal.
That's fine. Walk it off. It's fine. Walk it off.
Throw it off. Throw it off. Throw it off. Throw it off.
And they had to leave the Tahitians. And of course, after having five and a half months of lax discipline, and being on shore with women, and food, and red food. And red food and all the milk and titties. Living, you know, living the high life as far as probably the best time they've ever had in their entire life, as far as being bored.
Not people beating them, or yelling, I mean they're just like a tourist. Right. They had to get back in this boat. Which was tinier.
Because that was cramp with red food, and bananas and all this other food that they were bringing with them from Tahiti. To eat on their voyage. So, so now you got the 42 men even more compact. You got Captain Bly, who by all accounts at this point was feeling honorary.
Well, according to record, according to many contemporary reports of Bly, Bly was not a satus. He wasn't in the movies. No, in the movies, it shows him beating his man and being sadistic and that being the cause of the mutiny. That wasn't the cause of the mutiny.
Bly actually flogged his men less than most captains on most Navy ships. But it wasn't the fact that he flogged his men. It was the fact that he flogged them for stupid reasons. Well, I also think, and also before you go and talk about, one of the main causes was that at a time when a man's honor was all that, was something he would die over, Bly verbally abused people, especially the officers and made them, excuse me, the encounters and made them feel stupid.
That is rude and surely true. It's rude and surely true. It's important. I've heard the worst thing he did is he would dutch out on his own people and he would just straddle them on the sheets and they couldn't like him out.
And that upset a lot of people because he ate a lot of beef. He ate a lot of beef and he would dutch out on his own people. I don't even know what that means. But okay, he would lift up your blanket and the fire in it and hold it down so that the smell gets captured in the blanket.
Yes, yes, that must have been it. I must have been it. It has always upset me when people try that. We're on the try room.
Sailing back home to you. The last time I was in his story, being a bird. I was in the other time. I have not moved.
I have not moved. I'm not leaving to Haiti. All right. So they've left to Haiti.
They've been sailing for, let's see. How are they heading back? Are they going the short way or the long way? They're going the short way.
He wants to round the Cape of Good. Yeah. Hope which the crew is not very excited about. It's almost the first time going right.
That's Africa, right? The Cape of Good Hope. No, there's South America. Whichever ones in South America is the one they were trying to go right.
Okay. It probably is the Cape of Good Hope. I think it's the Magellan Strait down there, right? Isn't that where the Magellan Strait is?
I don't know. I don't know. I haven't been in just a little long time. I've taken a lot of drugs over the last 25 years.
I apologize. I think it's Cape of Good Hope because it's named differently than what it actually is. That sounds right. Well, I think the one in Africa is Cape Fear.
You think of fear? No, Cape of Good. Cape of Good. Cape of the Mourn.
Okay, then it's Cape Horn. It's Cape Horn that they're going around then. And the Cape of Good Hope is in Africa. Okay.
Well, then it's Cape Horn that they're going around then. Okay. Well, then it's Cape Horn that they're going around there. Cape Horn.
Which is still dangerous. It's more dangerous because it's for the South. You guys are all horny. So, you've got the Atlantic and the Antarctic all converging those different bodies of water.
You have turbulent waters and you have the different cold and the warm water mixing. So, you've got storms almost constantly. Now, on their way back, did they lose anybody on their way back? Well, they lost their ship.
We lost their ship on their way back because there was a muti. Well, on the mask. Okay. Well, they didn't know before they got before they was a muti.
Well, before they was a muti. We're about to get to them. Okay. This is pre-locked to the muti.
The Cinecape of Good Hope is South Africa. Okay. South Africa. Not the real Africa.
South Africa. Well, the white people are. The white people are. Right.
Down in Africa. Yeah. With the white people. Yes.
Thank you, Toto. Thank you, Toto. All right. So, they had been.
Even his whole time. Anyway, on April 28. Yes. Hold the word.
24 days after they left Tahiti was the muti. How many days? We're the cause of the muti. I mean, we talked about him a little bit.
Yeah. We have a lot of space. Trillish Captain, who probably takes like whatever he's rationing out. He takes, you know, extra from that and then gives them what table scraps or whatnot.
He's going around bitch slapping, guys. He's being belligerent. He's being belligerent. And he has no idea of the fact that he's worked on people.
So, he's angry that he's still far behind scheduling. He's taking it out on the crew by yelling at them. And think about where they're just coming. They were into GED.
Right. They want to be there and he's making them work and getting these conditions. It's like people who can't read a room. You know people who can't read a room like something's going on.
Like he can't tell the 38 people are really pissing him right now. Right. Yeah. Because you don't slap 38 people when you're the one person who's slapping 50.
Or there will be a mutin. Most likely. Well, Fletcher Christian and Captain Bly had actually sailed together on three occasions before they went out on the bounty. And they got along.
They were not only got along there, Fred. Yeah. And so Fletcher Christian at this point was like, dude, what's happened to you? Well, at this point, after they left Tahiti, Captain Bly made it his mission to make Fletcher his life miserable on the bounty by berating him every opportunity he got.
Why would he do this? Just to be a dick? Captain America really should have known that. Captain America should have known.
Captain Bly. That's Hydra. That's Hydra stuff right there. He had a problem with people's incompetence or lack of respect and stuff like that.
But he also had a problem with people being more competent than him. Well, that's why I think there's a real problem right there. Many people have issues in the show. But anyway, he blamed Christian for the ill behavior and morale of the crew when he was leaving the Heat.
He blamed him for the lack of discipline that the crew now had. And he blamed him for a lot of these things. Every day being belligerent towards Fletcher Christian. Now Fletcher Christian was in charge of the third watch.
And most of the mutineers were actually from his watch. They also ended up being the people in that watch tended to be the most disgruntled on board. They were the ones that had been vlogged. They were given the shit he had.
And they were given the shit he had. So one of the precipitating incidents was there were some missing coconuts from Captain Bly's. They were installing from his personal coconuts supply. His coconuts?
He didn't describe every one of them. The personal message to himself. The personal coconuts. So he made the crew on the ship collect every coconut on board the ship and count them.