The Wizard Clip

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Hi everybody. So yeah, I was telling Haley this week is going to be slightly different because last week was like hella-heady.

That was not my intention. I don't know. No, it's just a whole information to share. So this week, Haley, we're going to talk about the wizard clip.

The wizard clip? The wizard clip. The LIP. So like, like warlocks and wizards or like wizards like the basketball team.

Well, actually when I heard about this, I was thinking like basketball team, but no, it's not. And this happened in West Virginia. And it gets into a lot of, so what are your thoughts on like exorcisms? I thought you were going to talk about witchcraft and be like, I love it.

That's not a lot of drama. I think so. Fantastic. I love witchcraft.

Exorcisms. Wow. You know. I think they're kind of intense.

I kind of think they're horseshit. Sorry, all the Catholics out there that are into that. But that's not like all Catholics, right? That's not like a huge part of the Catholic Church.

I mean, it's very specialised. You're like Catholic adjacent, right? Yeah, yeah. I think it's very specialised.

I wouldn't say that, you know, we're constantly, you know, getting rid of demonic entities and homes, but on that same token, I think that evil exists. Oh, 100%. I don't necessarily believe that it is, I don't know. I believe that you can harness like, like evil can present itself, but I also believe that you can combat evil with good.

And maybe, in my opinion, this is just, you know, everybody's different. I think that the God in the spirit of God can at least push back some of that negative energy. It's always that fight, right? Go against evil, right?

Yeah. And you know, the whole idea of the brightest star in the heavens that fell, that God kicked out, you know, God kicked out the angel who then became Lucifer, who then became the devil. So right, there's always that good against evil. Like it just always exists.

So do I think that we could combat evil with, you know, the Holy Spirit? Yes. I don't think it comes to, yeah. I just don't know about like exorcism as a practice.

Like, I think that exercise, yes, yes, like go to the gym. Yeah. I don't necessarily believe that. Watch out for carbs.

I think there's too much human error involved. There's too much human involved in exorcisms for it to be like, go and let God, I agree. Yeah, like, I think, oh, that's a sign on the wall somewhere. No, no, no, I think when you start putting people's opinions and just human nature in general with something like that, it gets a little dicey and a little sketchy.

Whereas like what what you might be interpreting as evil or a demon could be untreated mental health. It's true. Could be epilepsy. Like if I like, as I as a former epileptic, like if I had lived in a different time period, I probably would have one been burned at the stake or marriage.

Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, so I just don't, I don't necessarily, but then like, again, big organized religion also kind of makes me nervous in a way as a baptist. That sounds very counterintuitive, but I'm like a weird kind of baptist. She's not drinking in a closet.

She's drinking in the basement. Right. You know, just but like, especially as well, also as a baptist, I'm a deacon, like, as I'm about as into organized religion as you can get, which is so funny, which is, yeah, knowing me, it's hilarious. But at the same time, like, I think people use religion to justify a lot of things.

Of course they do. And I worry about something as serious as exposing demons that it might not, I don't know. I'm going to go back to, I think it's horseshit. Okay.

This is good. It's where I'm landed. Um, it's where I'm landed. I don't think that it's, I don't, but again, have I ever had an exorcism?

No. Have I ever witnessed an exorcism? Have I ever known anyone who's had an exorcism? Not that I'm aware of.

So I don't know. Maybe I would feel different if I was educated more about it, but in my ignorant state that I am currently in, I'm saying no to exorcisms. I would just move. Like, you know, if I, if I moved into a house, first of all, if I even like felt that it was, and that was something when I was looking for houses, actually, I was very aware of like the energy of it.

And if it felt like, well, I'm all about that. Yeah. But like, I'm not about like people being possessed by demons. Like, I think that, right.

Like, I think that places can hold energy. And I think, but like, I'm not full on like, I don't need, yeah, like, come stage, the place, come on. What are you talking about? Do you want to do that?

Yeah, like, I'm not into that. But because I've so my son was possessed, because tonight he's going, yeah, he's running silly, like a fancy around the house. Yeah, so yeah, no, but I'm with you on the house thing. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, sure. And then once the house fell secure, I said, Amanda, I really like her. And she's like, yeah. And I said, I was put in an offer and she's like, don't you want to look at the risk of it?

And I was like, oh, yeah. Okay. We got in the foyer. And you're like, that's a place.

I was like, I was put in an offer and she's like, don't you want to look at the risk of it? And I was like, Amanda, I know what I want. There's no ghost. If he'll say, let's do this.

And I didn't even know Randy at the guard check that point. So I'm having a really southern? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And she has kind of never met your relatives. Yeah, I kind of hope she doesn't listen. But I said that about everybody in my life. Like, they don't actually work.

She had this kind of like, um, really more masculine kind of voice. It was like deeper. And I was like, Amanda, like, let's put an offer. She's like, don't you want to look at the risk of it?

And I was like, no, Amanda, I just know. And she's like, all right, draw out the fiber work. Let's you know. I was like, thanks, Amanda.

But that's what you want in a realtor, though. Damn. We got it done. Yeah, I was fast.

Yeah. And then, you know, what was it we closed and 30 days later, I lived in the house. Yeah, it was not haunted. So all right, no.

So tell me about exercises on the idea. All right. So like I said, we're talking about the wizard clip in West Virginia. So it is 1794.

We're going which is way back. Well, no, that's the 1600s. Demons. What else is happening in this time period?

You know, playing. No, no, so 1794, we are past the Declaration of Independence. So America, we fought the Revolutionary War. Racism.

Oh, obviously. But you know, America now is a free country and we're trying to figure out how to govern ourselves and how to run. And there's just a lot of crap going on, right? There are a lot of little skirmishes.

And anyway, that gives you some historical context and slavery. Yes. Okay. Also slavery.

Also slavery, which we all know. Okay. So, but at this point in middle way, I like the West Virginia, a traveling stranger. And this is actually how I'm going to refer to him as the traveling stranger.

All right. So a traveling stranger comes to town. He's looking for a place to stay and he finds a boarding house, own and run by a gentleman named Adam Livingston. Oh, I know Adam came to West Virginia by way of his home state, Pennsylvania.

And Yankee. We're not there yet. That's 100 years before we start talking about them Yankees. Really?

No, my early American history. I try to avoid it. We're still off by about 70. It's a really bad time for a lot of people.

So he, the traveling stranger ends up taking up a room at the boarding house, Mr. Livingston's boarding house. And after several weeks as a border there, he becomes ill. And over time, he becomes increasingly ill.

And so he says to Mr. Livingston, I, you know, I really need you to fetch a Catholic priest for me. So not a doctor. Well, this dude was like kind of thing at the end is near.

Like I've been a show. Oh, so he was wanting like last rights. That's right. Oh my gosh.

Anybody pinocks out, please get the priest. This is a priest also the town doctor. Like what's happening? Are we double dipping here?

I forgive you for your appendicitis son. Yeah, like what's happening? Okay. I forgive you.

He's dying needs a priest. He is dying. Yes, needs his last rights. He is actively dying.

He knows it. So the only problem was that the area was pretty devoid of Catholics. Yeah. So tries my Mr.

Livingston could not find a priest. It was pretty Protestant heavy. I'm assuming. Uh, Lutheran actually.

Yes. And to be honest, Mr. Livingston, who was about Lutheran really wasn't too keen on like bringing a priest into his home that just wasn't his belief system. And he was like that feels weird to me.

I don't really like that. So he probably didn't look as hard as he could. Gosh, I got you. There was not a like directory of priests.

Exactly. He was like, which diocese should I go with? No idea. So comes back and tells the stranger like, listen, basically a right, no priest.

So your SLL. Well, that sucks. Doesn't it though. So a few days later, the traveling stranger died without having his wish of a priest at his bedside to offer last rights, which, you know, if you're Catholic, that's huge.

Yeah, that's a big thing. That's sort of your permission to go to the next, I see the next level, which is purgatory, basically. So to go on to kind of cross over that you have that last bit of faith that for Catholics, like ensure that you will move on, then he didn't have that. So there's that sense of he's dying almost alone.

And you know, that's very sad. So he was buried nearby, but with super little fanfare and obviously no Catholic service who won her his life, which like, yeah. So to clarify, I wasn't saying Catholics or shit earlier. No, just that exercise.

I'm sorry. Just a good, I'm sure we know about that. No, I think Catholics know. Don't know.

Catholic Catholic. We hate Baptist. No, we don't. Anyway, the Lutherans are very well in the story.

Well, yeah, I don't know enough. I don't know enough about Lutherans. There's Luther years, those are people who fix guitars. Yeah.

See, I feel like I just need to be more educated is probably my problem about like, like, all the different denominations. Yeah, Lutherans got this Capillians, got a pen of the hostel. It is a Catholic light, but they're very progressive. They're very LGBTQ friendly.

Are they the ones who have, do they still wear your collars of the Caicalians? Yes, they were. But women can be. Yes, because I met.

Okay, yes. No, no, no. Catholic light is a piece of area. Catholic light.

Yeah. I feel like I'm baptized. I apologize if that affects anybody, but that's sort of how I reference a piece of aliens as Catholic light. No, I've heard that a little bit more.

Yeah, a lot more. I actually would appreciate that. Probably. Maybe?

I don't know. It's all of the like, fanfare and traditionalism without the genuine flexion and kneeling. Ooh, less kneeling. Yes, it just interchanges.

Yeah, I love like Catholic services are beautiful. Oh my gosh. Yes. I went to several in Eastern Europe.

It's just what you do when you're in Eastern Europe. You go, I've got like mass. But we went to several and I, one, don't speak Latin and two did not speak the language of the country. So I was visiting.

So it's just a lot of foreign things being thrown around, but I did kneel and I stood and I listened and it was beautiful. Yeah, it is. It's really beautiful. So, but like if that's part of your life, like that's the biggest, like a big part of your life you want that at the end.

Yeah. You know, like I would want someone to come and pray with me if I was dying. Like I would want my passer to come and like sit with me and offer a prayer and, you know, you know, talk to me about, you know, what's next and all of that. What's next?

What's next on the agenda? Well, do you like heat to be? No, but like that's, that's really sad. That makes me sad.

Yeah, makes me sad too. I mean, he was a dying man who asked for one thing. You know, Mr. Livingston could not provide him with this last request.

I mean, unlike I get it, if there was not really a Catholic priest available, but sounds like he didn't want to write. I don't think he tried really hard. And, you know, I think the stranger knew that. Yeah, ultimately.

And I don't know what was said. I don't know if he said, listen, I'm not going to do this. I don't know. It kind of seems like he may have just kind of blown him off and says, all right, couldn't find anybody.

But don't worry, Haley, the traveling stranger, what he couldn't have in life made up for in death because he was real pissed. Good. He saw his ghostly revenge on Mr. Livingston.

Oh, yeah. So according to folklore, candles that let Mr. Livingston's boarding house would never stay lit in the room with traveling stranger died. Dr.

D. Dark. Crafty and dark. The sounds of horses galloping would be heard and then swiftly accompanied by crockery dishes breaking.

Like, and these were just the sounds of they weren't actively. Okay. And then the burning embers from the home's fireplace would leap out of the hearth. All right.

Just sort of like a chain of events. Yeah. This happened. This happened.

This happened. This happened. This isn't disturbing enough for you, Haley. There's more.

Okay. I really appreciate that the traveling stranger here made his presence known. I appreciate it. Like, oh no, you think you're going to get rid of me?

Absolutely not. Here I am. There were sounds of heavy shears. You know, shears like you would, yeah, like you would trim your bushes, right?

So shears making clipping noises that ch ch ch ch and they echoed throughout the house. Interestingly enough, it wasn't just the noises of the clippings, but items in the home like sheets, fabric and boots were cut with a half moon shape and other odd figures. Like a sight? Yeah.

Like a, I'm making a hooking motion with my hand. Yes. Like that? Yes.

Okay. Yes. So, you know, they would find like the drapery was that and like that half moon like yes. Like well, that would be a shear.

Shear my straight one, right? The scythe would be I'm going scythe. Okay. Probably more scythe.

Yeah. But the the article said shears. I'm going to go with that. Okay.

So according to the legend, these cuddings and other manifestations continued for a period of several years. Nice. Which I mean, you just make a new dress. You're writing the wow.

Yeah. It's not a bitch. But I feel like after a year of that though, you just kind of come to expect it. Like this is what we do live with.

A half moon cut out could be trendy. I'm just saying you could start a new fashion. You could. What are you wearing?

Half moon cut out by made by my ghostly spirit and my bornie house. I love it. Can you do it for me? Well, sure.

Come on. I'm gonna deny a dying man. That's right. So you too.

What should happen? It's amazing. All right. So like I said, this went on for a period of several years and this constant haunting caused the Livingston family a good sense of unrest and uneasiness.

Can't imagine. No, I can't see why. Especially when this is like happening all the time. Like there's you have no control.

Like there's nothing you can do over it. So even though the family was freaking the blank out, they continue to take in borders. I mean, you got to make that money. Yeah.

You know, keeps the candles burning. If they'll stay there. Yeah. So one visitor having her tell of the hauntings took time to wrap her new silk cap and a handkerchief to keep it safe.

She didn't want the moon shape. She wasn't into the fashion. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah.

She wasn't as passion for her. I mean, it's fine. So she was getting ready to leave. She opened up the handkerchiefs.

So she lived there for her. She's finally moving out getting ready to leave, opens up the handkerchief and finds that her silk cap had been cut into ribbons. That's a trend for you. No, no, it's ribbons.

Yeah. Well, actually, I'm going to show you something useful on the right track. Baby, I was bought. Okay.

I don't know why Lady Gaga comes to mind. Weird fashion, I guess. So at one point, money went missing from the hiding spot where everybody knew they kept the money. So not a great hiding spot.

So no, no, that's true. That's true. I guess everybody in the family, not like the border. Just like everybody like is in town.

Like this is a big sign. That's like the best part of money. Thank you for cash in, you know, yes. But you know, of course, the ghost knew where it was.

Right. And the ghost's off it. You dig it. And the money suddenly, but that seems a little, that seems a little, I don't know what the word I'm looking for is here.

It's a way to pass the buck. Right. It's like, Oh, well, the spirit's cutting people's clothes up. So if I take this money, we can just blame it.

I think that's the way to say daddy went out drinking and spit our money. It's like, oh my gosh. Somebody's like, the money's got, oh my god, it was the ghost. It had to be the ghost.

I didn't go out and buy that new outfit. It was the ghost. The ghost. And you know, I didn't go drinking, you know, all of our life savings, been in on the whiskey.

It was the ghost. Yeah. It is easy to reconcile that. So eventually though, the Livingston's had had enough and Adam, the dad, sought out and begged, get this father Dennis Cawhill, the priest, an immigrant Irish priest who was located in Shepherdstown.

This is kind of way. So get this the whole time. There was a priest. And until, you know, he started getting, you know, his house haunted up all right now.

Is did he go and find the priest? Well, couldn't do so for me. I think he's also really been struggling because that time nobody liked the Irish either. Exactly.

Like that must have been, you know, real hard for him. Oh, I'm sure it was. So he asked father Dennis to come visit his house to investigate. So father Dennis Cawhill sprinkled holy water about the property and some of the manifestations changed.

And suddenly, Haley, that some of money that had previously gone missing, was deposited on the threshold of the house. Someone said, oh shit, they're going to be like, oh no. Oh god. Yeah, they're going to contact the human.

Catholic guilt is real. That demon's going to be like, I did not take the money. It was Susan. And Susan said, I don't know me.

I don't know what you're talking about. She did. She did. I have to put it here and write it out.

But yeah. So later, father Cawhill returned with father Demetrius. Gallaud. You got it.

Zinn. Who heard of the tale of the clip at his home and said a mass at the house. So a Catholic mass is lengthy. It's very formal.

It requires you to have like burning incense. Like there's a lot that's going on right at a Catholic So he has a mass at the house. A lot of kneeling. A lot of kneeling.

A lot of genuine flexion. A lot of things that Mr. Livingston is doing that homeboy probably never thought he'd do. He's like, man, I'm maybe in my Lutheran cell for a night.

And if you think about it, isn't that the ultimate FU? Like, ha ha. But you do this mass now. Now you're doing this.

Now you're, look at that buddy. You couldn't call me a priest. But now you have to go to mass. So after this mass was held, the haunting ceased.

And the priest later wrote a long report to his bishop about all the events that had taken place. But somehow the document was lost. And you gotta remember this is the 17th note. So although he does mention it in other writings, he actually wrote a chapter of a book and he entitled it a letter to a Protestant friend.

And basically it just talks about the wizard clip and how it's the supernatural phenomenon that did not stop until they came and did the mass and put the holy water all around the house and kind of cleanse the house of this demon. I can go behind that. When you, when I think demon though, I mean, I don't see it like doing anything to like physically hurt. Like when I get demon, right when you tell me demon, I'm thinking like full on has come into someone's body.

Yes. Yeah. Or is like clawing up people and like, really weird. So it is so part of what he wrote was that afterward, the family began to hear a consoling voice, a mysterious and I'm quoting here, a mysterious presence that is said to have remained with them for 17 years.

This voice first manifested itself as a bright light that awoke Mr Livingston from his sleep. A clear sweet voice then told him to arise, call his family together and pray. He did so and the mysterious voice prayed with them, guiding and leading their prayers. The same voice then continued to instruct them in the Catholic faith.

Yes. So this was really interesting because it kind of seems like that was the whole thing all along. Like, you're not going to call me a Catholic priest when I tell you to I convert you. I am going to get back to talk about thisism by scaring the Jesus out of you.

Oh, I mean that actually, that almost works. Sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, because Catholics are still they're still then did Jesus screw, right?

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So this was considered by the Livingston family to be the voice of a soul in purgatory. And obviously, if you're part of the Catholic faith, you understand purgatory.

If you're not purgatory is that place in between earth and heaven, where you just kind of mill around and then wait to go for your turn with God. Didn't I get rid of purgatory? It depends on who you talk to. Okay.

You know, purgatory is one of those things that my grandma still a purgatory believer. She's still a purgatory Catholic. She's a purgatory Catholic, but it depends. The newer Catholics tend not to be.

Yeah, I'm going to know it was like a thing that came out because a friend of ours Catholic was like, so where did they all go? Like when they said, okay, purgatory is no more. We're Jake. Jake.

We're just kidding. Where'd they go? I've never believed in purgatory. I think that ascension occurs at death.

I mean, I think I think so. I think so. I think, but the theory of purgatory is and part of that idea of Christianity is that we're actually not judged and put into heaven or hell or wherever until Jesus comes back. Yeah.

Yeah. And the hell would become the earth and the heaven would become the, you know, yeah. So we're just kind of chilling. So the ideology is this that you're kind of chilling in purgatory until Jesus comes back and the earth and like the world is.

Okay. So it's purgatory on limbo. The same thing? It is.

Okay. Yeah. So if somebody says they're in limbo, then also means they're in purgatory. But another way to explain a limbo is somebody who hasn't totally crossed over to the other side.

So that could mean like a wandering spirit. Anyone doesn't know they're dead. Oh, I had a dream of a friend. I told you this.

She died in a car accident. She came to me in a dream and I was just absolutely terrified of seeing her in this dream. And in the dream, I told her, you are dead. What are you doing here?

And she looked at me and said, I'm what? And started crying. And I came to my main another dream. And I told her in the other dream, don't come in my dreams anymore.

I can't, I can't do this anymore. Please never come in my dream again. I can't do this. You are dead.

I can't have you come to my dream. And she hasn't come in my dream since maybe she maybe that was the gift I gave her to move on. But that's also the state of limbo. Can you as I'm asking you like you're the expert on Catholicism?

Um, can isn't that thing or was it thing where you could like pray someone out of purgatory? Was that a thing? I don't think so. No, I think that purgatory is a place that you just again, it goes back to what is the there's one though there's got okay.

Maybe it's I'm in the whole wrong religion where you can like pray somebody out of holding pray the holding away. Yeah, like they're in holding and you can like pray for their soul. So I think that goes back to that if you are in limbo praying that it's the people in the middle of fine salvation praying that you can cross over to the other side. And sometimes I think that there's that piece of that's where we start to get into that idea of like mediumship and like people who can communicate with with spirits.

It gets kind of unclear, I would say. And this is where it's tricky because Christian faith would say don't trust mediums and individuals like that. However, at the same time, I think spirits do walk among us and I think that there are people who have messages and things to say. So it's well and not knowing like not being cool with mediums but like isn't that kind of how Catholics work though?

Like you have like the priest like you don't pray directly. You have to tell the person they pray for you. Exactly. So and then also in Catholicism you're praying to marry.

Okay. Mother Mary, mother of God, you know, yeah, Santa Maria, like all those things like you are praying the rosary. That's the rosary. So you're going to hold the beads and you're going to say, you know, mother of God and you're going to pray, you're going to say to rosary.

So you are praying to other entities like my aunt when she loses something she plays to father. Oh yeah, they have all the people. Yeah. So they have saints.

So there's a lot of like I there's a lot of middlemen in Catholicism. Okay. I like to cut out the middleman and go straight to the big guy. That's how the Baptist are.

Yeah. I like as most other like Protestant religions. I would take Catholicism as the one where you tend to have the middleman. Which I kind of like the way like it is helpful.

Like I like connection. Well, I like that they have their own like like St. Jude who's for sick people. Right.

Like so if you're sick, you know that you pray to that person and like but they're all connected to God and but the thing that I've always struggled with is while I have prayed to Saint Anthony and I have found things. So it's has been helpful. I also feel like if you prayed a God who is over saying it, then you know, for all these people, could still make it happen for you. He's not that busy that he can't you know, he's not going to take a message like he's not going to put you on hold.

You know, you know, you said hello, you reach the office of God. Hey, how may I direct your call and you're like, oh, hey, so I was just praying because I lost my glasses and I can't see. Like I have you prayed to Saint Anthony? Well, yes, I have but I haven't been able to get anywhere.

Could I just talk to God? I'm sorry. He's out in the field. I'm just a message like, hello, this God like it doesn't work to me.

You pray to God and God is able to either help you or not or whatever whatever God's will. Whatever God's will God's will is. I like that. So I just got my role.

I'm just like, I'm sorry. Wow, we've taken our religious Well, and but I think it's cool. And but then there's all these other religions too that have like different ways that they do things which is like absolutely. And you know, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, those are all monotheistic.

It's, you know, it's one God. But then you have, you know, Hinduism, Buddhism, where it's it's polytheistic. It's multiple gods. And so, you know, that just gets us a lot.

If you've never gotten to take like I took so weird about this, as part of my youth group education, whatever, like we learned about all the world religions and learned about all the different ways that and like we got to meet a rabbi and like he showed us like scrolled and like talked to us about like his faith and everything. We met a woman who practices in the Muslim faith and Islam faith. Like she was able to like she showed us how like her job worked and what it meant to her and like all of the stuff. So just like if you've gotten a chance to do that and like do your own research or meet people that are different from you, like it's just such a what a gift.

It is because how can you choose which religion is appropriate? How can you even talk about it unless you have learned about other religions? It's hard to say, you know, my favorite color is blue if I've only seen blue. Yeah, I've never experienced any other color.

How can you say without a doubt my favorite color is blue that's all you've seen. If you haven't experienced the other things you don't truly know what you are and you can't speak to it. Yeah, and like another religion do I believe the way they do? No, but I do I think that they're beautiful and like have you know I'm sure and validity for those people and I hope they would feel the same way about my religion.

Yes, yes, absolutely. Like I think that's that's part of and that's where the respect comes. Yeah, where the ability to love each other and coexist with each other in a really peaceful way is is honoring who people are and where they come from and not just like well that's not what I believe I believe you know you know nobody should ever get to learn about that because it's not what I believe they're going to corrupt the children. They're not going to head in because they are not Christian or you know that idea of only only Muslims you know see Allah only Christians go ahead you know what I mean like no I think that every religion is really beautiful and we have to change our mindset.

Yeah, but that's hard. That's hard for people to do. That's really hard. So let me tell you what ended up happening.

Yes, please do. Now that we've learned all about Catholicism. So and please I know I am not the end all be all but in 1802 so this is a couple years later Adam Livingston deeded his 35 acres that he lived on which was along the Oak Pecquan Creek. Yeah, sure it was.

He deeded it get this to the Catholic Church. I mean but kind of what a full circle moment there. Isn't it though? I mean it's really a hard story of how horrific conscience bring you closer to God.

Sometimes you just need that. You just need to be scared out of you. You know you just really need a swift kick in the haunting. But if we think about that how do we grow closer in faith usually in situations of crises?

You're not wrong. So I mean it seems apropos. I love it. I love it.

So this this uh don't hold my beer. I'm glad he just didn't put me on hold. That was good. That was good.

Um so this church was known as a field to sustain a priest so he wanted it so that a priest could actually live on the property. Yeah. And according to the legend the land was given in gratitude for exercising the alleged demonic infestation. And this parcel of land um is now known as the priest field.

And in 1983 the diocese of Wheeling and Charleston, West Virginia dedicated the priest field pastoral center on this very site. How fun existed. How fun. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's continued within the Catholic faith so we're talking hundreds of years. It has continued thanks to a little haunting from a traveling stranger. Wow.

Huh. What a legacy. Is that the truth? I love that.

I think that you know nothing brings you closer to God and creates a lifetime of Catholicism and a little haunting. That's beautiful. I love that. You know I do too.

I do. I love it. I wonder what's gonna happen to some of the houses and places that you're gonna haunt when you're dead. You know are they gonna all turn Baptist or do they have anything closets?

Maybe. Oh I'm sorry that was not nice. That was very uh I don't get the reference. Very ignorant.

You don't know. Like I said I'm Baptist but my not really. You are you are a very progressive. We're extremely progressive.

Yes. Yes. But um so they're technically labeled as moderates but we're not. I here's this sounds so ignorant but like I've sounded in your eyes.

So please join me. So sort of the connotation of some of the more conservative Baptist is that um you know you do a lot in the dark. Oh yeah. So there's a lot of like oh in our faith we don't drink and that always is like come on.

Jesus turned water into wine. Right. It's okay. It's okay to do anything.

We're moderate. But in moderation and that ideology is we don't drink. We don't do anything bad. We don't do anything.

But they're the ones typically who are you know having affairs and you know drinking in the closet and all the things. Oh that makes sense. Okay so no no no we don't drink in the closet or the basement. We drink at the brewery across the street from the church.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Like I as I just drink.

Right. Like I'm a time deacon in the Baptist church which is also weird as a woman for a lot of people. Um yeah. Deacon in the Baptist church.

I host brewery trivia and my pastor plays on the trivia team. And your pastor like he's down to come to the shrimp boil and like get down and he's great. Oh yeah. We drink.

We celebrate. We do all the things. But then we we we pray. We love and we love and people and that's the thing.

We just love people. Um we have a lot of grace because like the biggest motto I think and I try to live my life by this is that we're all just messing up. We're all screwing up every day. I am a jerk.

Everybody will be grace. I'm a jerk and my aunt is my cousins listen. So what up and you probably know this but I'm just going through this out. She's pretty conservative.

Yeah. My you know some of my family's pretty conservative um Baptist and when I was a teenager I used to think it was hilarious to like suddenly leave my birth control sitting out because I knew I knew she'd be like she's having sex. You know and so there was that like silent judgment and I loved it. I loved it.

And so then I would like openly drink or open like my father would just be like you know she's coming like you need to hide your booze. And I was like I'm over 21. I don't care. Like it's my house.

I'm not hiding it. I drink I drink responsibly and appropriately and not to drunkenness and so occasionally and no I'm not going to do that. And also kind of my stance on um LGBTQ plus. Yeah.

Like I am very open with my um beliefs and they are seemingly very progressive for some people and they don't you know whatever. Um but yeah I don't care. And I think that that's the thing that kind of makes us um very different. So I think a lot of the times she's just like oh you know.

I just find it easier to live my life just trying my best to love everybody. I also like to think that her children have turned out very progressive. So um for you all that are listening because I know you listen. Love you all.

I'm so glad that you um we're very proud of you for being who you are in living you know your life. So that my aunt's a wonderful person. I just want to say that she is a wonderful person. Just you know many systems don't always.

These systems don't always align. Which is right. Yeah you know just be nice to people. Please do.

And please don't. This world is so full of hatred. Which is. Like if we all were a little bit kinder.

You know. Oh my gosh. I sound like some real life. I sound like some beauty pageant contested.

I'll just have a little bit kinder. I've got my rainbows and unicorns. It would be wonderful. I feel as ringing sunshine like right here.

Yeah. No okay. You know just let people realize. Just chill.

Jesus said chill. And he said full of my beer. Jesus said chill. I'm so chill.

Just chill out. Everybody just chill out. Just chill out. Just chill out.

Just chill out. Leave other people alone. God loves everybody. Everybody.

Everybody. Not just kind of a point. Not just heterosexual white people. No God loves everybody.

Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Yeah yeah.

Okay. Who's saying that? That is three boys. But I really enjoyed learning about this haunted two days.