These Conversations Aren't Black and White: DNR, Advanced Directives, and the Intersection with EMS

These challenging scenarios represent opportunities to provide truly patient-centered care at life's most vulnerable moments. By combining your medical expertise with thoughtful communication, you can help ensure patients' wishes are honored while supporting families through difficult transitions. In this episode we dive into the complex ethical and legal dilemmas faced by EMS providers when arriving on scenes involving Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) and goals of care forms. With special guest Dr. Daniel Markwalter, an emergency physician and hospice/palliative care expert, the discussion touches on understanding the importance of these forms, the challenges of making decisions without clear directives, and strategies for effective communication with family members when they suddenly disagree with the form. This episode provides valuable insights and practical advice for EMS professionals who can be faced with these sometimes challenging scenarios.   00:00 Introduction: The Ethical Dilemma in EMS 00:49 Sponsor Message: The Recess Tailor 01:53 Case Study: Evening Shift Dilemma 03:33 Expert Insights: Dr. Daniel Mark Walter 04:40 Understanding Hospice and DNR 09:48 Advanced Directives and Code Status 19:20 Challenges with Comfort Care and Advanced Directives 26:19 Aligning Medical Knowledge with Patient Goals 28:34 Understanding Goals of Care 29:03 Respecting Autonomy in Medical Decisions 30:02 Effective Communication with Families 31:45 Navigating Family Overrides in Critical Moments 32:36 Legal Aspects of Surrogate Decision Making 36:00 Exploring Illness Understanding and Prognosis 45:46 Symptom Management in Palliative Care 49:43 Final Thoughts and Summary   Resources Get 10% off FAST25 with promo code- loud&clear The Resus Tailor Todays Episode Show Notes Survey- Help us learn what content you want Gear We Like Good Stethoscope - https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Good Shears - https://amzn.to/40FROuF or https://amzn.to/3ChZ4Tn  Notepad for taking notes on calls - https://amzn.to/3Z1X21J Sunglasses - https://frontline-optics.com/discount/EMSCAST15 Books we recommend -  The Dichotomy of Leadership - https://amzn.to/4fiCAjN Extreme Ownership - https://amzn.to/3O1FWfa  Managing the Unexpected: Sustained Performance in a Complex World -        https://amzn.to/3V7BwYf Thinking Fast and Slow - https://amzn.to/4fiJG85 A Thousand Naked Strangers: A Paramedic's Wild Ride to the Edge and Back -  https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Guest/Cast/Crew information- Guest- Daniel Markwalter, MD Host- Ross Orpet, Will Berry  Catch up with us after the show Instagram- @emsloudandclear YouTube- https://www.youtube.com/@EMSLoudandClear Website- www.emspodcast.com Want to stay ahead of the top 1% in EMS and build real confidence in the field? 👉 Book a call to get personalized guidance, improve decision-making under pressure, and grow your skills as a paramedic: emspodcast.com/free-coaching-call 📰 Join our weekly newsletter for exclusive EMS insights, leadership strategies, real-life scenarios, and tools designed to help you stay sharp, confident, and ahead of the curve: https://loudandclear.kit.com/d45b012fae   American Burn Association / ABLS: Enter the ABLS giveaway by June 30, 2026; the winner will be selected July 1, 2026. Loud & Clear listeners also get 10% off ABLS Now through August 31, 2026. Details: https://bit.ly/aba-loud-clear