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EPISODE · Jun 20, 2026 · 11 MIN

They Don't Need You Less. They Need You Differently.

from Learn For 2 Podcast · host Brandon DeVere

My daughter just graduated college at 19. And while we were getting ready for the ceremony, going through old photos and videos, I found this one picture.Me holding her hand, her holding Minnie Mouse. We recreated it on graduation day. Same pose, completely different moment. And it hit me that the last time she actually held my hand was for that photo. I don't remember the last time before that.That's what this episode is about. Not the big dramatic milestones, but the quiet shift in what your kids need from you over time. From diapers and soccer rides to career questions and job advice. It doesn't stop. It just changes.I also talk about my son Camden, 13, who asked to just be dropped off at football camp rather than walked in. Same idea, different kid.And I get into something I've been thinking about for a while: the two of them grew up in the same family, but not really the same childhood. My daughter's early years looked a lot different from my son's. Same parents. Different seasons of those parents.If you've ever felt like your kids are growing out of needing you, this one's for you.Learn for 2.0 is a show about ordinary observations and what they turn into when you pay attention.---CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS0:00 - The pull quote0:19 - Welcome to Learn for 2.01:02 - Mikayla's graduation1:28 - The photo, then and now2:13 - The last time she held my hand2:30 - The date night at the Wynn2:59 - What kids need as they grow3:50 - The Semi-Retired Realist book4:51 - Mikayla's film job5:48 - Camden and Bishop Gorman6:26 - Two kids, different seasons7:37 - Seven people in a two-bedroom apartment9:04 - "Just drop me off"10:08 - The closing observation

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