Titanic with Emily Yoshida and Katey Rich - Part One

Blank Jack was Griffin and David Blank Jack was Griffin and David Don't know what to say or do at space All you did is not was at the name of the show was Mike Jack Jack, I want you to pod me like one of your cast girls No, okay, okay I asked for the fella, yeah, because everyone has been saying Has been saying that should be the title Which we weren't gonna do because we're gentlemen, but you know, that's how it all plays Hey everybody! Oh boy, Ben level that one out My name is Griffin Newman I'm David Sims This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David, I kept waiting, I wasn't sure when you were trying to hand that off to me We are hashtag the two friends And this is a series where we study movies I was gonna say Famager Sure, characters Yes, directors who had huge success early on And get a series of Blank checks to make whatever they want And sometimes the checks clear and sometimes they bounce Sure, and sometimes people are worried they'll bounce Then they're really clear Yeah, but what we always find interesting is David and I were kind of sore as a context Okay, right, we love movies but we love context Just look at the context in which the movies were made We like zooming out and looking at the career You know, and tracking the ups and downs and marrying it through it And trying to find good in every movie So we're making the bio longer for the podcast? That's what we're doing right now? We're gonna do more?

Well, this is a super-sized episode And that it's a two-parter As if it was two VHS tapes Right, let's dive in Okay, to the ocean Yeah, there's a good pun, right? To pick up the ruins Searching for a diamond of an episode It's the heart of the podcast Uh-huh My point is we've been doing miniseries Called Podinator, Colin Judgement cast That's his point I got one point to make and this is the point We've been doing a miniseries called Podinator Colin Judgement cast It's about the films of Slippery Jimp Maybe we should have called it Pod Tannic We could have Maybe we should have done that This is Pod Tannic This is episode of Pod Tannic Okay, so this is the big one We're gonna do a podcast I'm podcast So maybe we should do a whole episode of just Yeah, it just lines that we could turn into a podcast I'm gonna put a key on your podcast machine Oh my god Women and podcasts don't mix But we should actually prove that wrong, right? We're gonna prove that wrong Because we have two guests We have three guests I'm sorry, I'm sorry This is a super-sized episode Talk about Tannic I think this is an episode that has been anticipated By us in this room for months Yes I don't know if it's been anticipated by our listening public But let's say this I'm sure it has I'm sure it has For both of us and for two of our three guests In the studio Right now If you ever do James Cameron Let's go back to Titanic Right? Yeah, 3D I'm ready to go back to Titanic 3D, re-release 2012, basically It's been 85 years Well, it's been 85 years since the 3D It just felt like 85 years Yeah But And that was, I think somewhat of an incentive for us to do Slippery Jim himself Absolutely, no, this is what I've been waiting for So we all long when we talk about we have two guests who demanded That they be in studio to discuss Right, and then a third guest who apparently slept through most of the movie Yeah, but you know A little rip Okay, so first off I want to do like a dream team Like what's the movie?

What's the topic? We talked about Titanic! 1997 Podinator, Colin, Judgment cast Is the point I'm trying to make Oh, you guys love how long and land-arrest these episodes are? Yeah, we got some advice We got some advice recently that was like this Yeah, like this They were like your podcast would be half the cool Perfect, can we keep nothing secret on this podcast?

I'm going to nothing else No, that's scary on I got some secrets They're at the bottom of the ocean Right? They're my opinions on the film Titanic A woman's podcast is an ocean A woman's podcast is an ocean A podcast is an ocean a podcast A podcast is an ocean a secret? A podcast is a podcast A podcast is a podcast Our first guest Yeah, you can I was going to try to do like the Chicago Bulls interviews But I forgot how it went I started doing this in your Ross I was trying to do that But then it sounded like the we bought a Zoosong Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh Michael Jordan Yeah, okay Duh duh duh duh duh Our first guest on the podcast today You know her from A Verge Sure Just riding the rails Maybe free agent Free agent A channel writer A tunnel we blown in the wind Yes, a true tumbleweed Blowing in the wind She's the box car birthday podcast And you know her most of all From her parents is on The podcast reawakens True And Speed Racer Yes, ladies and gentlemen Emily Yoshida Hi guys Hey, I know how that has it going I'm excited to talk about the movie Titanic Should we just start? Oh wait, uh, that's two more We got two more guests You should call the third guest The man in the middle That's what they used to say About Luke Longley And they introduced him A man in the...

Go ahead Our next guest You know her from And most of all, you know her from The Sixth Sense episode Well, also fighting in the world Oh, fighting in the world room But also most of all The Sixth Sense episode, right? Where we talk box office for a Solid Hour It's a great episode Podnight, show us Lazer Drumman Katie, you're rich Hi guys And last A man in the middle A man in the middle You know him most of all from being a baby And being Katie Rich's baby And also from our Pod Dogs episode What? He's not gonna be the guest when we do Old Dogs Oh, okay That's gonna be that far in the future He'll be able to be on the podcast Yeah, ladies and gentlemen I'm gonna be on the microphone Nope Oh yeah I think we're picking up some more Sounds like he's barely breathing I promise He's fine Hey Charlie Yeah, we have a baby, guys I'd like to know that he's wearing a Little onesie with headphones On the very appropriate First podcast Or it's not his first podcast No, he's been on fighting in the War Room He's been on more podcast than I've been He's an expert He's currently eating on Mike He's a good guy It's true, yeah, I think in my I think in my podcast I feel like his... Oh, true gun, true gun, true Big old scaling cream She's handled that at three months Not being out of the old dogs I'm the old dogs, yeah Old Dogs Right With headphones And they always say, dress for the Job you want And the job that Charlie wants clearly What he's messaging to us Is that he wants to be a producer An engineer, if you want a producer A bandus Do we have one of those?

He wants to be a poet laureate He wants to be a finest film critic He wants to have a birthday Sure He wants to be a tiebreaker We all want to have a birthday He does not want to be Professor Crispy No, no He does want to be the fudge masker He does not want to say words yet I just don't want to assign that label It's not about him processing it It's not about him processing it It's not about him being on like Call of a baby anything other Than the fudge masker Even though he's fine He is white hot baby He is dirt bike baby If you see him in the streets Which of my hello panel Definitely What is it? It's a poloria It's fine He's baby positive Sure, okay fine And of course the baby wants to Send a graduate Look at that note we got about Shorter Is it the intro should be done? Yeah, alright It's a lazy Sunday pack, as a man It's a nice lazy Sunday Nobody in the office 60 degrees and sunny It's a beautiful day outside It's really really really nice It's going to be over by the time we get out of here It'll be dark It'll be very dark Please keep this on topic I'll be sorry for you dragging me a little No, I'd like to talk about the weather today You're a little fally Yes, but at least I finally began to turn Oh, this is, I like watching Griffin get side track Because his little face is eyes narrow That's great My little face We all know the baby Charlie Wants to someday graduate to different titles Over the course of the period This is why I was getting frustrated Because I knew this was coming I feel like people forget Go on, go on, do them I don't know, such titles hypothetically As producer Ben Conobe, Kyle Lomber, Ben And Ben Eichandl, Ben Say anything, say anything Okay, right, you're not putting the baby in those Alright, alright And a future title for Cameron We got to think about that There's one suggested recently Which I were like, T-1000 T-1000 was okay I don't know, I feel like I still want to think about this Okay, Ben Tannick Yeah, producer Ben Who's Charlie wants to be Yeah, but producer Ben is not on Mike today We have two guests And also he doesn't care about Tannick Right, and baby Charlie has four mics Right now, so Ben can't be in the studio So Ben's a walkie talkie Maybe he'll come in if he has a point to make Let me do my impression of what Ben thinks about this movie I liked it, the ship was big That's Ben's comment There's some technology in Tannick It's a very wet movie too It's a very wet movie too He likes things wet Actually, this is my favorite movie He's not on Mike, but let's just declare it now This is his favorite movie This is Ben's number one favorite movie I can't say anything about it Right, here's 1997 James Cameron's last film was in 1984 Yeah, true lies True lies, which was the first film in his $500 million deal With Fox, 20 century Fox, his light storm entertainment Shingle, he's a... You got it, that's it I'm trying to do a different term, I think Shingle is the right thing Shingle, that's the shingle It makes his first film, true lies Cause $150 million most expensive way of all time Pow, it's a hit Sure, Arnie The Saginomination's roll in Yeah, one of them The first year of the SAGs, really?

Yeah, 95 Picked it off of the bank That's why they weren't going to do in a work show Then they watched True Lies And they were like, I mean someone's got a record That's a count, though We'll go to John Reel Oh, I'm high a count Just let that hang in the air I was just making sure Because there was a porn film I really liked Bill Paxton's Beardo, Associate Who was a friend of James Cameron's, a diving buddy He was also sort of a pulpy, genre, director and writer himself He directed House 4, House of course the original was Ding Dong, you're dead And then they made three more of them, apparently after the titular It's not the cult Japanese film house We're talking about the crappy American horror franchise Apparently there were four of those Apparently this guy, I forgot to look at this name Something Abernathy Well yeah, that's right Lewis Abernathy plays what's his name? This is what Katie's here I literally looked at mine before we started buying it Lewis Abernathy was diving buddies with Cameron Here are two guys in the film industry who both go down Under the sea, they both like a little mermaid in it And they started bonding over their shared love of movies A aquatic life of all of this Apparently one year for his birthday Lewis Abernathy buys James Cameron Or doesn't buy him, gifts him a joke script he read for a Titanic movie He wrote a Titanic script And it was like, you should make it Titanic But there's never been a great Titanic movie made And that lights a fire under James Blod Which is not true by the way, there's a great Titanic movie from the 50s Called a Knight to Remember, that's just an artistic film But anyway, carry on But they were very obsessed with the details of how the ship went down All the technical aspects of it And he did a dive in the 95 I think And he got some footage, the first footage of the wreck That's in the movie So that fueled this And he just saw it like this, what I'm going to do is he spends About a year in change right in the screenplay He likes water, loves water Piranha to the spawning, the abyss, those are the two And how many people drowned in this movie? I mean a couple people drowned in this, holy shit All of the people Also death from sudden impact Many different kinds of deaths Lots of death, very deadly movie, yeah And also, let's not forget, in Terminator 2 Judgment Day The T1000 is made of liquid metal Wow, okay, yeah Do you have you guys gone to the bottom of Cameron's obsession with water Over the course of this podcast? I mean it didn't begin with Did he fall in love with water on the set of Piranha to the spawning?

Did he see water for the first time, I think? He never seen it before Love it, give me more of that Here's what I know, he grew up in Ontario In Chippewa, Ontario Chippewa Falls? Not Chippewa Falls, but I believe is how he was inspired And naming Jack Austin's birthplace And near Niagara Falls, right? I believe so, right across the border And I think he would go like ice fishing And maybe I'm literally just transposing his bioin effect on some stuff But you know, you're a lot of water around some great lakes Maybe that's where the water is It's no ocean It's no ocean No, it's a great lake of fish and ocean But there's not diving, yeah But then he moves to Hollywood, California, which is on the ocean Yeah, he's one of those famous ocean towns I don't know if I was to see some of them I don't know if I was one of those guys who would rather live in the Revenant era When there was the Wild West and things were explored And then the bottom of the ocean is the last thing left I think that's what he actually says He seems to have that explorer vibe about him He wishes to get good marks You're the only one of us who has talked to James Cameron Indeed, I talked to him on the phone Just a couple months ago, but a PSA he did with Arnold Schwarzenegger So you have, I feel like, you know, you touch the surface of his neck That's 10 minute phone conversation I really learned a lot He did go to high school in Niagara Falls Water Yeah, I don't know, water But then we talked about it in the Pronoe episode It is crazy how good and cool the underwater scenes are in that movie And then everything else is under track Yeah, I don't know I'm pretty abyss obviously That's the deep sea diving part, right?

That's where that's really getting fleshed out That's the thing, I mean, answer to that question, Emily I feel like I've been searching through this series for What was the Rosetta Stone? You know, like I want the clean narrative moment Cameron Styl It's so easy to assign to someone like Shyamalan Or you can like, or Cameron Crow, but he's harder He hasn't made it autobiographical movies the way he has to have Not really, I feel like the Abyss is his most autobiographical movie That's we talked about, he's the big divorce movie Yeah, and I think the Paxton character in this is very autobiographical Definitely Even the way that he ends up Susie Amos is the most famous It's pretty fun, right? Do you have an earring back then? Because a real Paxton is rocking an earring in this movie I think he does Opinions on Bill Paxton's earring in the movie, Tytan Sure, with the fisherman sweater?

Yeah, yeah, yeah We're appropriate, but I wouldn't know He's tan, you sense the very tan multiple lives So like, this is his Northern Atlantic expedition look He's got a weathered hands on this But you can imagine his chest is very tan if he was to take off the sweater He's got the frosty, not just the tips It's kind of funny how handsome he is in this movie When he's usually not handsome, I feel like he's an actor who likes to look weird Or dorky, or he looks like such a creep and true lies I'm thinking about him in like big love He's fresh off Twister with this He's really in a good rogue adventurer period He's like in his rough neck And he gets the Ann Bill Paxton He does, really? He gets Ann Bill Paxton Twister was his real traditional matinee idle movie That was the one time they put him at the forefront of a big blockbuster like that Well, Mighty Jo Young, though Oh, right, and I think after that he was like, I don't want to be this guy And a simple plan, although that's not, but he's the lead That's a blockbuster, yeah, the most thing I've liked that kind of like a Him is lead, him is lead He's great in a fucking frailty In a popcorn movie, though, I'm saying Totally Where you want someone to look at as traditionally handsome as possible I think he looks better in this than he does in Twister And I wouldn't say it's traditionally my type of look I'm just appreciating this filmography It's an interesting filmography Yeah, it is U-571 is in there, which I maintain is like a decent under-rated movie He's like just above that guy's status, like he's the name you know who he is He still has that guy career He definitely does, and I do feel like almost all his most memorable roles are the Cameron roles Yeah, but then if you look at the other huge movies he's been in, you include a Paul 13 Paul 13 Twister, those mid-90s Twister? He's probably the least interesting in a Paul 13, right? Yeah, Paul 13 Power rankings is like Harris Hank, Sinise, Bacon, Paxton, and Quinlan's in there somewhere And also that old lady who's not interested in Neil Armstrong Guys, let's watch him on the wall Yeah, but you were, okay, so David was hitting his hand on the wall and like ranking them vertically And I think you got to put the bacon on top Well, yeah, you do want some bacon on top, right?

Because that's what he is, he's an embellish Right, here's the interesting thing, he's maybe the least interesting actor in Titanic as well We've done a big one? No, but Max, we've talked about him a long time We're basically treating this like a Bill Paxton film Well part one of the episode is Jess Bill Paxton, and part two of our Titanic episode is everything else No, I do at some point in this podcast, I do want to rank the non-Jack and Rose element of this one, like who is the most? Oh, definitely Yeah, definitely You guys haven't done this one Guys, I like to do everything Any idea, just throw it out there and we'll do it But we all agree there's like a clear winner for best performance in this movie, right? Like with no qualifications, there's one performance is better than every other performance in the entire movie We're all gonna say it in unison on three, one, two, three, Victor Garber No, I actually agree I just couldn't tell if you were doing it I wasn't doing it a bit Victor Garber is unreal in this movie I think Garber is great, but I think, no, I don't agree with you Okay, one side of the leaves No, outside of the leaves Outside of the leaves I love Zane, I love Zane, he's so dialed into what this movie is Yeah, I think he's fantastic, I think Garber is great though, I mean Garber is one of those all-time or like foreseen performances I think Bernard Hillsom credit is fantastic I think Garber's fantastic, I think he tells me Garber's fantastic, I think he tells me I said without qualifications, I think Garber's the best one, that's it Do you remember the scene that they played at the Academy Awards for Kate Winslet being nominated?

Oh, it's played by Don't remember her clip Her clip is so underwhelming, it's like nobody was going to actually take it seriously But it's just the one on the deck when she does her speech about I know what you're thinking for a little bit, girl, etc Which is just like fine, you know? There's so many more like waterworks, fireworks, scenes you could pick She really brings it over the last 40 minutes too I think her best acting is sort of when she hits survival mode Oh yeah, in the hallway with the axe, that stuff, yeah That should have been her clip, it was just her with the axe running down the hallway Yeah, that was when my grandma walked out of this movie Really? Wow, why? She had to have enough Do you know what I was saying?

She didn't want to watch it more drowning? She didn't like it It was more upsetting the older you get, I was there Oh, absolutely, yes And your grandma was on the Titanic? She couldn't have been, she wasn't at all But I remember we were like, did you see Titanic? And she was like, I walked out of it And we were like, you walked out of it, we were kind of impressed Because that did take some balls And she was like, you know, she was swinging the axe at the handcuffs And I was just like, alright, she missed a lot of the good stuff That's maybe my favorite scene in the movie too, though That's the scene that always jumps out to me, it's the handcuffs, axeing That scene is ballsy, I would say Okay, so let's like the ship's already sinking, we need this, but he's like, no we need this Guys, we're already the ship sinking, we might hit 30 minutes at the same time That's true, that's a good thing, we're done, basically Anyway, an inclusion Titanic, okay, B plus Let's get back on track, Bill Paxton, okay, the movie opens Under the scene The movie opens under the scene No, there is the thing I think we should do, with Sebastian There is the thing I think we should do, because I think it's important with this movie And we want him to think There is one thing that I think we should do, I think we should talk about our experiences seeing this movie Well, for sure, I think this movie is especially important David, we'd like to go for it Yeah, I saw this film opening weekend at the Rio Cinema in Hackney in London Which is a still standing, very cool, giant sort of picture house in London So I went home and told my parents it's the best movie ever made And they went and saw it a few days later and they came back and I was like, wasn't it good?

And they were like, it was okay I went home and I told my parents it's the best movie ever made And they went and saw it a few days later and they came back and I was like, wasn't it good? And they were like, it was okay, you were not pumped about it, but it was huge for me I think it was a huge grown up movie, I mean, by comparison to the shit I was 11 years old I love this movie Power forward Emily Ushina I saw this movie at the Lakewood Mall in Tacoma, Washington As seen on the television show Cops many times I saw it with a big group of friends, no parents It was in seventh grade, so we were kind of I think the first movie I went to go see in a big group with no parents That stuck in my memory was probably the first, a new hope when they did the release So we were now exercising our muscles No, no, I guess that would be, I guess it was that summer New outcome is to release that summer So it was the same group of friends I was eating This film came out winter, it was January, February, March of 1997 It was the start was really early This film premiered in Tokyo on November 1st, 1997, but it came out December 19, 1897 Just like, the Carly Rae Jepsen album, Emotion, a month long, anyway So I saw this, this is what I remember about this movie Which was that of course all of my friends were crying and we'd be doing it I was like not so moved by the love story, I was definitely trying to be like a daria about it, a little bit too cool for it I did think that all the ship stuff was very cool, but I remember so clearly I walked out of the theater and I vomited Wow And then I had a stomach flu for about a week, they developed I gave you a stomach flu, yes, and then I used to joke like, oh yeah, I don't care about the movie, maybe bars I mean, good joke, it's a good joke But I mean, I liked it, it's not that I didn't like it, I think it was a lot of movie, it was also a crowd in movie theater Filled with middle schoolers and there was probably one pathogen floating around in the air So yeah, so is there a point where you then start loving it? I mean, how does your relationship change with the movie over the years? Well, I can tell you guys about the second time I saw this movie I think you got it I told you, I told you this, don't mind full name every time I have to call you David I know, I know why you're on this So this is an amazing story, okay, so, and I hope my mom doesn't mind me telling this story She's on this every week, she sends us tweets, has some future guests She's on, she's on a while, I'll tell you You never know, you never know So we had moved to Iowa to Iowa City and we were Right this year, like right now?

We moved in 1998, so it was out on video at this point And there was a guy, I don't remember his name, but he worked at the In the Astronomy School at the University of Iowa Okay And he had access, 24 access to the big theater, like Planetarium Theater So he was trying to woo my mother I have her this year So he invited me and my mom to a private screening of Titanic in the Astronomy Theater At the University of Iowa And I was like, Mom, like that's the most romantic thing I've ever heard of But nothing ever came with it When you see the ice cream, do you mean literally no one else? Nobody else is there Oh my god, it was an alien Planetarium I can't even imagine, we should do that right now Can't even see the light lit up with delight 98, that's the director out to a women's heart in 1998 Oh, the planetarium I'd marry that guy, I know, right? I wish I could remember his name, I would go and thank him Yeah, that's awesome Can we get him back together with your mom now? Like, he's listening and we can parrot-trath us whole thing?

He's also a passive future guest, he was on the album The Chipmunks the Road Chip episode I'm recconing the Wecker Walk Becker miniseries, so people demand it I cannot wait to hear how the writers respond to us I'm gonna go pee behind the slide, they're gonna love it Well, this is, I made the observation that, of course, this is the episode in which you bring the women and children out to the planet We're pulling an anti-totanic, we're keeping them on the boat We're saying women children please come in Or this is being reported on the live phone? This is the live phone, yeah, we are We're Molly Brown, I'm his man Ben is Johann Griffith Just looking for us, looking for any signs of life off in the distance It's Johann, Johann Griffith Johann Griffith I thought it was Griffith, even though it's Griffith But you sort of say it's Griffith, like you say it with a heavy at the end I've always been in this competition And he's got his Welsh accent in this movie Yeah, he does But she later sounded away because nobody wants to hear that I love the Welsh, I love the Welsh accent Wow, it's harsh writing I love Britain and the English accent are trying to train to the Welsh Which is cruel, we shouldn't be so mean to the Welsh, they're great people Okay, Charlie Rich, tell us about your first time watching the movie He's yesterday, right? He's still upset He's still, can't believe that they did that together I'm gonna try and talk about my first time, like Charlie and Ruckin Oh, so the story begins in 1992, it turns out We're a Trump and each other I became obsessed with Titanic for reasons I don't really know But I got a Bob Bellard's book about discovering Titanic Reddit, front to back, like New Waller's death about the Titanic It was like my thing as a weird seven-year-old I feel like it's a common thread, I know other things It's something so fascinating about as a kid And you come ships or something that is like cool I think from Little Mermaid maybe Some ships are like very important and very like from Man to Man It's definitely the idea of the sunken treasure on the ship And also just like wrestling with death, but in a way that you Oh boy, you're like this with dark clothes I think it's true, like it's like an early thing that kids can deal with That is like, yeah, you know, like it involves a couple of times ago So I got a cool like shipwreck involved So I was really about Titanic as a seven year old and then cut to 1997 When the movie comes out, I'm very excited about Titanic I see it the day after my last day of school before Christmas break I was in great, so I was with my three best friends And a guy who wound up going with us and I don't know why, but you know, he was there I shot at him, and then I brought... Or to the plants area, thanks guys And it was amazing, and I brought a journal entry from December 26, 1997 Oh shit, right there In which I write about, I'll see, today's the 26th and I went to see Titanic again I swear no movie has ever hit me so hard or ever gotten me closer to crying I didn't cry in movies much, even now.

You were closed off for three years, 13 years? 13, yeah, 13. Let's see, it's been haunting me ever since Monday when I first saw it It's so wonderful, especially considering my lifelong obsession with the Titanic That's a good journal entry So you were one of the many Americans who just saw it over and over again? Yeah, that's what we did, and it was my town saw it at downtown theater at that point It was not like an old movie palace I could do this in the 60s, but we could write our bikes there and go see Titanic And it closed a while ago, but it was in that theater from December until May I went to see it when school got out at the end of the semester, so it was like a full semester worth of eighth grade of WANC.

Who can tell me the movie that knocked Titanic off at the box office? I also saw in theaters I also saw in theaters Good movie, William Hart, William Hart, William Hart That movie is not a blob, it's a mini-roder It's a movie, it's a movie, it's a movie, it's a movie, it's a movie, it's a movie And Gary Oldman, Jared Harris, or Lacey Schabert So we were all in the age range of... Six grades, like, great, yeah, yeah, we were kind of in a succession of years I'm wondering how much you guys were aware of parents being anti this movie, not wanting you to go see it Because of the nudity, well, well, ready for my story Oh, baby of the podcast, second baby Second baby, probably about seven or eight years old I was in fourth grade, I thought sure I did not see this movie in theaters But parents saw it early and they came home and they went, it is bad, not worth seeing Oh my god It's how my parents basically reacted Right, now I also, you know, like, as I talked about in the past and also as a parent from all my behaviors as a human being My parents were, like, very protected media-wise when I was growing up We were talking about cynical films, as we discussed on the podcast Titanic is maybe the least cynical film that we've ever made But, um, I, uh It is literally a story of cynics on a second boat who were hunting for treasure Like having their cynic and like, pulled out of them by an old magic lady Also, historically, this is a story about hubris and about, like, the industry, like the dark side of the industry Like the dark side of the industrial revolution and like, class stratification and all that But, like, Cameron is one of, you know, a few handful of filmmakers, I think who would approach this story He'd be like, it was so cool Yeah, like, it was so awesome I mean, the Billy's ain't character, he's investing this sort of like these rich people having their toys and their power Like, stripped away from them in that character, but yes, he is also like, wasn't it amazing that they built the shame boat? Look at the engines, look at the turbines That's what's so amazing about this movie is that it is so in love with the Titanic, even though it's also acknowledging Like, it was a horribly built thing, like, it didn't make it easy It was a bad idea, that should be, it would not ride again It looked so good It looked great Alright, so you didn't see the film in theaters?

Can I just give a little side shout out? Hey Rich, goddamn pro That was incredible Because the whole, she was reading, pulling up diary entries on her phone, talking off the dome, not missing a word, doing like ninja mom moves Guys, describe it, but there was like four different- Or James Cameron with your love of mothers? Guys, women can have it all, I'm changing the season Podcasts, baby Podcasts, guys, the beard But there was like, let's try the pacifier, no let's shift to the bottle, let's do some rocking, change positions, out missing a beat Meanwhile, just trying to praise Katie, you always knocked your microphone I punch my microphone Alright, so you didn't see the film in theaters Right, so at the time, did you want to or did you just take that on board? I think there was a little bit of like, not Stockholm syndrome, but like conditioning Where it was like, if I want to see something that all the cool kids are like, I'm a parent, you can't see that I'd be like, I don't want to see that, my parents told me it's stupid I was the same way You know, I have to play the elitist thing You were non-rebellius and instead you dialed into whatever, being like a big grown up But like, wouldn't sing with parents a big night?

You know, Tucci? Who's that like the opposite of the cool kids I've got here and told me not to see it? Well, see, I wouldn't frame it as that I heard it was bad, like I read a review But it's like two people, diverse in conversation I would like, I would hire Odom, not by being like, my parents told me it's bad, but you're like, I don't know, that movie looks uninteresting to me You know, I would like, do that So at that point, they didn't say I couldn't see it, I could have gone to see that movie But they said it was bad, right? You're like seven, I don't know, all my friends saw it, everyone my grades saw it Alone without a parent?

He went to Hippie Brooklyn private school, it's not for kids Yeah, you know, my sister was in fourth grade and she saw it on her first thought My brother did not see it, but at this point I was in a hippie, yes, lower than he said Sorry, you were not yet at that Right, it plays big difference You actually thought about how much fiber you were eating? Not protein, not calories, fiber In the US, fewer than one in ten adults hit their daily, recommended intake And fiber isn't a bonus nutrient, it's foundational, that's where he'll comes in On those days when I got a rush to the studio to tape an episode, and I need a quick and healthy meal I reach for one bottle, or one scoop, that gives me everything a real meal is supposed to give you The black edition ready to drink has 35 grams of protein, 7 grams of fiber, 27 essential vitamins and minerals No artificial sweeteners, it's gluten free, and it's under five bucks Or let's say on the days that I want something a little more customizable, I use the black edition powder I can add it to whatever and get 40 grams of protein, same complete nutrition, just a different vibe The RTD and powder duo has become my insurance policy against chaotic days that makes staying consistent so easy Limited time offer, yet fueled today with our exclusive offer of 15% off online with our code Check at fuel.com slash check, new customers only Thanks, fuel, for partnering and supporting our show David? Yes, you look like a man who doesn't know that Fast-grown trees is America's largest And most trusted, online, nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers I had no idea! Yeah, well David, they have all the plants, your yard or home needs, including fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs and house plants My home is littered with all of these, and they're all grown with care and guaranteed to arrive healthy It's like your local nursery, but anywhere you live, with more plants than you'll find anywhere else And whatever you're looking for, fast-growing trees, obviously you find options that actually work for your climate, space and lifestyle For me, all inclusive, I'll take any kind of tree you got Griffin, I know you're a green thumb, and you're gonna hang your fingers I think you're gonna agree with me on this then, you know, you go to a garden center and you just find it so overwhelming and inconvenient You took the personal statement out of my mouth, Ben, that is how I feel And then, here's the other thing, you try to hire some landscapers It's too expensive!

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Isn't that crazy? With no abandon, we were so happy to do this That's so charming! Do you guys remember, I don't know if they did that, I imagine they did this at every radio station But they would play the megamix program with the dialogue over it? Yeah, yeah, you jump by jump Never let go, never let go, never let go So when did you see that?

So when I was 15 or 16 at the height of my own cynicism I was like, in this thing, I thought that was in the past where I was like, homework is stupid, I'm only gonna watch movies And so I just like, every night would just try to watch a different movie I hadn't seen before on TV And like, I was playing on it, I was like, I'm gonna watch Titanic, you know, at this point This is years later, in like eight years since you've come out, you know, this was 2005, maybe? And I was like, I'm gonna watch it, I watch it, you know, full screen, like, standard depth on my little bedroom TV No, it was on like, you know, cinemax or whatever Yeah, it was on like a movie channel, it was on to the rough, but it was like, not a good format, low-def On a CRT, I had a really small TV in my room, and I was like, this is dumb, watch the whole thing Because I liked Cameron a lot, after I hit the iceberg I was like, the ship stuff's cool, the rest of the movie's dumb And I was like, the classic boy, I was like, yeah, as a boy, it was like, yeah, well, you know, all the romance stuff's boring, but then it's cool, because everyone dies But here's the thing that's kind of interesting, okay? That's the most stereotypically male thing that's ever happened in my life I felt that way about Titanic at the time, which was like, kind of, usually off from how I felt about things I was at 15 or 16 mostly interested into romance movies, like that was... Alright, alright, I loved stories, I was like, this is corny, it's like overrods, you know, lacking in specificity, it's just like, kind of like, pablum So the watch it was like, egh, you know, technical accomplishment, egh, don't care, right?

And then like, six months later, I was looking by Derek Simon who I talked about before, lived in Long Island, we make little short films together, went to his house, he was about to be married next weekend, as we're recording this I went to his house for the weekend to make a little short film, and then we saw Titanic was on TV, we never finished our movie, because we were like, watch Titanic, we both just happened, we were like, this is dumb, this movie sucks, right? So we blows, watch the entire thing, right? Then like, another time Derek and I ended up doing the same thing, we were supposed to make a movie and we watched the entire Titanic on TV It does that, it does. It's dumb, I mean, that's good stuff in it's like, not a good movie, like, objectively, and then cut to 2012, the 3D release, right?

So in between these two things, right, watching with Derek and the 3D release, I had gone to a good will and I saw that they had the Titanic, the VHS set with the two tapes, and I was like, I like the stuff after they hit the iceberg, I'm just gonna buy the second tape. Oh my God, wow, I think we were hits before the second tape again, if I remember correctly. In must, because the second tape, you know, because the guys were kids about two hours. Also, they showed it in my theater with an intermission, so I might be thinking of where the intermission started, you know.

Sure, for sure, for sure, it was the intermission, all right. I think it was in different places, for us it was right when they saw the flareout and it's like a big shot into the blackness, that's where the intermission was. I think there was a studio suggested intermission, I think theaters, some theaters chose to play this intermission, right? Yeah, probably true.

Yeah, and by myself. I would watch, I mean, A, I was kind of a jerk because I bought only the second tape, which I think someone was stuck only for the first time. A 10-real film, by the way, 10-real. Wow.

I would watch just the second tape, a bunch with my friends, I like that, and then when the 3D release happened, I was like, I gotta see this thing, like, yeah, it's different. Alright, wrap this story up. So I went and saw it in 3D, I was like, I think it's on big screen, like, proper dimensions, all of that, like, see if I can get it, and the movie starts, right? 3D, I was going on a second date with an relationship that did not go anywhere, but someone I liked a lot of the time, and so I was like into that, I was like jazz about the fact that I was like with her, the lights go down, there's the black, and then as it like, fades in on the sepia footage of the Titanic, and then the first stream, I immediately hear people cry.

That's how I reacted just like, what, we watch it just now. Right? And I went, oh, I get it. Like, already, I get it.

Seeing it in the crowd is huge. I saw it like, the 3D remaster was like good, it's obviously not the ideal format of the movie, but I thought it was well done. But I was seeing it in widescreen in a big sold out theater on a Friday night, and it was like a date night, I think they opened it right around Valentine's Day. And I just, the whole time was like, I get this, I get this 100%.

And the stuff I had previously thought, Corny, I was like, this is so effective. This is like, I mean, it's like immaculately designed, like strategic attacks on your heart. And it's so all done, and then the stuff after they hit the iceberg, I was like even better than it was from me before, because now I got the emotional investment. I probably want to know more time than I own it on Blu-ray.

Now you watch movies now, and then you watch Titanic, and you're like, fuck, like they'll never do stuff like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I take the best. I love it now, I watch the couple times of that. Remember watching Infiniology?

Yeah, the best. Yeah, it was playing before trivia, and so there was a huge crowd assemble Titanic was finishing, and then in that last scene, you know, we'll get to it. But the last literally seen in the movie, everyone just started screaming. Do you remember that?

It was really a... The scene with old old roads? The dream she has. Or is it a dream?

Or is it a dream? That's what wins the film best picture. To me, that's what wins the film a billion dollars plus worldwide. That's why people see it again, because it has a happy ending somehow.

It's about the sinking of the Titanic. It's insane. But to your point, what you said, and even just I watched this on Blu-ray, because a lot of times with this podcast, especially when it's like rewatching movies, I've seen a bunch of times that we're covering, I'll download it onto my Amazon Kindle Fire, which is a great product, right? Shit, non HD Amazon Kindle Fire.

It was $40. It's not HD. I should probably up. He probably should.

Jeff Bezos won't give me one. I text him a lot, and he goes, new phone with this. A lot of times I'll like, you know, watch it on Netflix or whatever, on my laptop, in my bed, when I'm like trying to fall asleep and watch a piece of no, whatever. For this, I was like, I'm gonna sit down, I'm gonna watch the entire Titanic on Blu-ray, on my TV, and it was just taken aback by like, this still looks like the biggest movie ever made.

It's true. It's very seamless. He made it later. He makes it make some fixes.

It still looks like the most expensive movie ever made. I don't know if there's a movie that feels larger to me than Tite. What's the actual most expensive movie ever made now? Is it like Pirates of the Caribbean 3 or something?

Or maybe 4 or 4? Yeah. On Stranger Time. He has never disclosed.

No one has ever disclosed the actual final budget for Avatar, right? Yeah. The common belief is that Avatar is the most expensive movie, but they never admitted how much it costs. The highest reported budget is on Cybertime.

Pirates of the Caribbean 4, $378 million. It's all on the screen. Johnny Depp got 300. Who can tell me what that movie is about?

It's some Stranger Time. Okay. We're done talking about us seeing the movie. We're going to talk about the movie.

Bill Paxton. Okay. So the movie starts with an abyssia. I mean, first there's a sepia montage.

We see the footage. The sepia montage. That seems like something at the end. They were like, Jim, you need to have something in the beginning.

I can't start a summer. They came here for a romance. Set the tone. I will say the entire prologue until you finally do the, like, okay, back to 1912.

The sepia tonight is left in? Yeah. But like, building up to it, it takes its time. It's mostly almost like almost a half an hour.

I think it is. Yeah. I thought it was more. It's like 20 minutes.

Okay. But it's so well-paced. I think they give you just enough of like, morsels of like, you know that you're walking and you've seen the poster, you know that it's Leonardo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet, like, having a hot sexy time on a boat. And they give you these little, like, actual flashes.

Like, you know, I get chills when I see the shot of, or when she is looking at the submarine footage and you get those little, like, glass. Oh, like the music. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You see him at the top of the stairs and all that. Like, it's almost like, it's more rewarding.

I don't want you to technically. Going back and watching it. Going back and watching it even the fourth of the six-time or whatever. or whatever, when you see that and you've already seen the movie several times, you're like, yes, I'm watching Titanic.

Absolutely. Yeah, but it is huge. Like, because like, think about it, the amount they have to convey, it's like, you see them diving and they're in the ship and he's like, these windows are a foot thick or, you know, nine inches thick or, you know, like, it's so deep. And you see inside the wreck and it's the real wreck and you're like, right?

His little robots are going through the doorway. Duncan. And then they don't find whatever they're looking for. Yeah, Duncan, right.

And then they find the nude picture and then you see Gloria Stewart and Susie Eames at home looking at it and then they fly on and they're explaining who she is. That is a lot for 20 minutes. And then they're like, oh, that's a lot of jokes in that sequence. Yeah, yeah.

It's really important because you're selling up a historical romance. Well, Abernathy kills. Yeah, yeah, you get these great. You get the go packs and being like the ghost ship rising from the darkness and immediately that guy calls him on a ship.

Okay, so we're all agreeing that there's like humor in this. And when they all been the safe and the diamond is in there and they go, don't worry, the same thing happened, Geraldo and not only ruined his career. But this speaks to like how big this movie is not just on like a technical sort of scale production level, but even just like the epicness of the storytelling in this movie is that like, I'm not just using a modern day explorer as like a quick intro into the movie. He's setting up like an arc for this guy.

Like the first 20 minutes of this movie is like, we're not taking like to him. Right. It's him. He's the treasure hunter who then realizes like, no, this is a this is human.

This is one hundred percent. But I also think like the way as you said that they constructed where it's like, you know, first, we're seeing the technical thing, then we're sort of meeting the characters, then we're understanding the struggle of what he's looking for, then we're introduced to old Rose and like all of that, he's saying like, sit back. Like this is gonna take some time. Sure.

I'm not a pacing you. Picture here. That's ultimately made it, I think, you know, even if guys with scoffs and say oil only care about the ship that at least like doesn't turn them away. Like you know, like you realize, oh, this is somebody who does care about like the historical significance and like, what's it like to want to die and all that.

And you got some plastic Cameron Roughnecks in the opening who are speaking kind of like the guys who are being dragged on date night. You're just like, look, I just want to find a diamond. I want to get rich. I want to focus a car.

I got one year. Yeah, like this chick got lying because she was on the Titanic. She's a very old lady. I'm a little bit of an emerald guy.

Right. These teenage boys sit there, they don't want to see the movie and then immediately movie tells them all women are liars and they go, no red pills. No, two years before the Matrix. They weren't, they weren't yet.

But the MRA movement was a lot in well. Of course. But also there's just magic to the site of the real rep that is like, right? Like, you know, looking at that.

It's so well lit that I didn't think it was actually. Some of it is real. Some of it is that they recreated some parts of it. I think the interiors are fake, right?

Some of the people who do two-teams Cameron's commentary, which I highly recommend. He'll tell you exactly which structure. Wow. Okay.

All right. Before we get off of the intro, there's a master and not that we're getting off immediately. We're getting off immediately. But there's a master show.

I think it's the key to the entire movie working as well as it does, which is planted in the opening. They're looking for the diamond. They don't find it. They go on TV.

She hears the news hash. She goes to them. Wasn't I there? Right.

But also Paxton's like, I don't think this is going to pan out. They go, I think you want to talk to this person. And Abernathy is like, look at the signs. The name.

There's no listing for her in the registry. So she used to be an actress. Looks like she's just looking for attention. She'd have to be 101 years old.

All this stuff, right? So they're like setting it up like this isn't going to work. She gets there. And the first thing they do is they mansplained to her the sinking of the Titanic.

Yeah. And the CGI remodel where he shows you. Okay. It's great because it caps the entire thing the movie is trying to do, which is the balance between the emotions of the actual people experiencing this thing and the spectacle of this crazy horrific thing that happened.

Right. Yeah. But also because they have this scene, which is like they make it part of the sort of text of the movie, which is her trying to find her independence, not one to live like their own wants or have. And she's in a world of mansplaining constantly.

Right. They also now in detail explain to you exactly what she's saying. Yeah. It's so crucial, which is they don't understand what's happening when you're saying like, yeah, no, we'll explain the compartments or like how it's going to split in half or whatever.

You just have to start. Oh, it's like, oh, it must be the balance you can go. You can't help like the pressure of the going. He gets it done so quickly at the beginning of the film.

He has Abernathy do it. So it's kind of fun. Yeah. Right.

Because he's making jokes out of it. So it feels like character development. Her response is telling you everything you need to know about her already and setting the stage for her lifelong battle. But then also is now when the ship sinks, all we have to track are the emotions.

Yeah. But it's also incredibly like cocky move to be like, I think I can tell the audience everything that's going to happen. The joke is like twist ending the ship sinks, right? That's what everyone, the joke everyone made when the movie came out.

Right. Why do I need to see it? I'm going to tell you exactly how the ship sinks. You're going to know every beat of once things go wrong and you're still going to be invested in this thing.

There is no real reason for them to show her that animation. Really? It's like aggressive. Like a PTSD doing.

Yeah. Now that you see that it's a lot of things. Do you remember? This is you.

That's what I like is the fact that Abernathy is the one who's showing her. They did that pre-vis. So I mean, they just wanted to show it off. But I also think it works because that character is the one guy who would be like, she'd want to see this, right?

Right. She'd probably love to see this for Renzick. Renzick. I mean, I'm not going to talk about like, you know, this was famously like one of the only best picture winners to not be nominated.

Or screenplay. I think maybe the only one in history. Maybe. No, Braveheart, I think.

I mean, it wasn't nominated. I look it up. But it's not nominated. It's like a very rare thing.

I was like, well, the dialogue's hokey, this and that. People focus too much on dialogue. People focus too much on dialogue when they talk about screenplays because the thing that's always got going for it is just structure. So good.

It's insane. I mean, it's like, especially for an epic movie, which I feel like it's hard to pull off. It's a perfectly. Designed movie from a writing standpoint.

Everything in the right order to pay off maximum. Also, it doesn't really, I mean, because it is a love story, I guess, but it doesn't fall into the thing. I think you would think a movie would fall into being a three-hour movie at the Titanic, which is just like, oh, it's going to be like, Oh, it's going to be like, oh, it's going to be a million people. Sure.

Which is the night term. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

And those people are there, but it's just like, you're allowed to also kind of focus on it. Like to have a movie that you trust to really essentially two characters the entire time. And it's three hours long and it takes place on the Titanic. It just feels like.

And to constantly be looping in like, Oh, but here's the captain or here's Molly Brown or here's his may like here are the real people and I've made sure to like, but they're just going to give them all their proper names. I mean, little, little sign dishes. You think you look at the way like, you know, I always think that Jeanette Goldstein's part is bigger than it is because it leaves such an impact. He seems maybe three very brief scenes.

Three scenes that are each like 15 seconds long. You see her entering. You see her when she's saying to her kids like, well, the first class is mommies and daddies have to go right. Like, you know, yeah.

The final scene. But there is like, you know, as much as Cameron gets kind of raked over the coals for not having a sense of sort of like, you know, specificity, you know, or sort of like realism to his sort of characters, you know, it's like, oh, he writes it very large. You know, they speak their emotions and all of that. I mean, no one better exemplifies this than fucking what's the Italian guy?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The actors name is Danny Nuchey.

The character's name is not NTO. I mean, that's my. I'm not going to go to New York and be in an event. They call this Rokes.

If you said that, then the movie would get six stars. That would guarantee a screenplay nomination. I'm going to date the Drew Barry. He's just, I mean, like Cameron's fetishization of white immigrants to America, especially the Irish and the Italians in this movie is a little much.

I would say even for this movie, but nothing is more much than for Bizzio. He almost says Mamma Mia when he dies. Like, I mean, you almost remember him saying that, even though he doesn't. But I think the key to it is, as you said, like, so he doesn't take an alchemy approach, right?

It really is these two characters. Everyone else is sort of like an adversary, the other major characters, right? Or adversarial forces. But it's like, he's got the upstairs downstairs approach.

That's his hook, right? And those human elements, like he writes some really big and really unsettled in the first half of the movie. Totally. Right?

And they don't go down easily, but they stick in your craw. Especially remember them. Like her being like, ew, Titanic, I guess it's big. And even like Molly Brown, you know, reads it, like all that sort of stuff.

It's like, okay, the first half of the movie, you're like, this is kind of clunky. But the second half when we don't have time to like have character moments, and Jimmy really cuts it down to the bone. And does a lot of these big emotional beats just through looks or actions or stuff like that. It helps to be like, I know for Bizzio.

He's kind of the ropes trying to cut them now. I know that guy. Yeah, yeah. You know the Irish guy.

Right. Like that all pays off later. Because as much as it isn't like a kaleidoscopic ensemble kind of film, it's like the fact that the captain gets as big of emotional moments, you know, Garber for Bizzio. And all these characters.

Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I want to say, and this is going to sound kind of dismissive. But it is, it is, they are setting still. They're not really characters, but they're there to, I mean, the thing is that they're really, it's a really well fleshed outside.

So they are very, you need all of these elements to fully realize like this is the world that they live in. This is like, and the ship is a microcosm of the world, and their love is a microcosm of the ship and all that. And so like you have to have this, you know, kind of Greek chorus of, you know, the Irish kids and the snobby ladies in first class. And individually, those things I think are probably a little weak, but over the corner.

A little corny. A little corny. A little easy, I'll say. But I think that the sum of them all together and just like also just the rhythm of going back and forth, you know, going from like the dinner to going down to the rowdy part.

Well, that's what I feel like he's very clear about it too. I was noticing it on my rewatch for this podcast. It's like he really makes sure to take you down methodically every time and then back up. Like he loves to take you through the backs of the ship one by one and really communicate like how much difference there is.

And of course, everything is very broad and that is part of how it can get done. So I think that the lady has re-entered the studio with a newly quieted Charlie. What did she do? I'll see how long we left.

I feel like Charlie doesn't like our commentary. He disagrees with all of our analysis. Yeah, he has a lot to say about Taitianna guys. He's been trying to tell you.

So we should actually talk about the introduction of these characters and maybe the plot. Who they are. Yeah, sure. Who amazes me?

I want to talk about Billy's name. But it's just a good. Lewis plays the video. Does that seem, you know, like what you remember?

And she's like, you know, it was 75 years ago and they're like, oh, great old ladies and I remember that. Yeah, but actually it's like anything you can remember. Just you know, whatever. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Boom. Boom. I really want to say Gloria Stewart is someone who's incredible. And I remember as a kid, I dismissed her and thought it was hacky that she got an Oscar nomination.

I was like, what? She's an only now you watch it. It's a remarkable performance. She's an old silent movie actress.

She was the leading lady in the invisible. David? Yes. Got an intentional air about you today.

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Right. And original universal monster. Cameron wanted Fay Ray. He wanted an old actress and it's such a clever idea to link it back to that era.

Yeah. The time of Pepper Fermi's friend to make end obviously is a period. I think she was 86 on the film. Yeah.

She was not 100 and one years old or whatever. And they said she looked too young so they had to apply old age make up to her. The make up is really good. I did not know that.

Yeah. She is very wrinkly. She delivered spots to her really well done. She died five or six years ago at the age of 100.

Wow. It's Cameron was at her 100 birthday party. Wow. That's her in her glory day.

Wow. It's also good because she was like. She stayed on marks or was married to her. I feel like I made that up maybe.

Are you writing Laurie Stewart slash fiction? Yeah. Go out to the marks once interviewed her. Oh, okay.

Maybe I knew that she was I was into the marks but there's a 1997 so I feel like maybe that's I was aware of that. She once in 1972 she drew a painting of a watch tower. She came to artist after 1945. That's what you were thinking of.

She didn't date on marks. She painted the watts. That's it. All right.

I remember it like it was yesterday. She made a poz. She made bonsai artwork. She was a smoker.

Was diagnosed with lung cancer at 94. She was still held on for 6 more. Yeah. 6 more.

I'm good. A lifelong Democrat. Yeah. She was married to twice.

The second guy there for 40 years. That was James Cameron. I have an environmentalist. I do think it's funny man.

Thank you. I do think it's smart because like you know Fay Ray is even a little more iconic than Laurie Stewart. I think it was smart to get someone who was like part of that Arab and not like that. Right.

It doesn't stick out. Right. It was kind of like a nice like we're giving her one last shot. Like she never was huge in her hey day and here she gets this late in life Oscar nomination.

She is a really excellent and also when we did our matrix episode and I kept on the way to the end. Yeah. You kept calling Gloria Foster. Is that her name?

Yes. Gloria Stewart. I love that performance. So for the rest of this episode I'm going to call Gloria Stewart Gloria Foster.

We're trying to level out. I'm trying to level it out. Please don't. All right.

She takes it back to actually. She reveals the pictures of her. The drawings of her. Yeah.

Okay. The picture couldn't survive. Is that true? Yeah.

Somebody said like that's for shit. And I was like no but it was in a safe way. It's not the leather though right. It's like a leather bound artist book.

It's got a little folio. It's salt water. I think. And also when they open up the safe everything else.

They clean it off. They clean it off when they clean it off. They clean it off with water. And this would deteriorate even further.

They're like washing it. I use. I could go to the end. Charlie are leading this.

By kidding. I should be back. I could go to the picture have survived. But obviously now I'm just getting a lot of things.

I'm like Jack and Rose totally could have both survived. So I don't know. I looked it up on Yahoo. The thing I was saying before we started recording is that any question you want to ask about Titanic if you start to type it into Google it starts to fill it in for you because everybody has asked any possible questions.

That's how you know you're in the zeitgeist. Like could rats have gotten on the ship. How did they get on the ship? They were being built when the ship was being built in the shipyard.

It would get in and stick in as well as dead body. Good medication bodies would go in. Yeah. There's lots of things that were already in the ship.

Blood pressure pills actually make John Travolta's face look like that. That's old dog's questions. When you're in the zeitgeist. Enough with the old dogs jokes.

I will kill you. That auto fills. I swear to God that auto fills if you search for it. So Rose de Whitview cater.

Yeah. Yeah. Rose de Whitview cater. It's a pretty weird name.

Yeah. So she's 17 years old. She's got a killer hat. Society girl.

She's got the odd Philadelphia. She's engaged to a 30 year old tycoon. What a gem of a man. A gem of a man.

The heir to a Pittsburgh steel fork. The turret of the ocean I call him. Call it Cal Hockley. Although his person name is apparently Caledon.

I did not know that. If you ask me, I'd guess that he came. He was the heir to a two pay fortune. He's got real floppy hair.

He's not the only person on this boat who will have floppy hair. That is true. Floppy hair was apparently all the rage in 1912. Right.

Okay. So Katie, you're impression. I mean, sorry, Emily, you're impression of Rose's first scene. Rose's first scene.

Kate Winsless first scene. Okay. So I found the gloved hand on the edge of the clock and the hat from flip up is one of the best introductions of a character in any film. They're telling you, this character matters.

Yeah. When I rewatch it just now that is the first time that I started crying, I cried four times, I believe, through my rewatch. There's also something... It's the greatest.

You know why it's good though? It's good because of Gloria Stewart. Because she sells you on this real longing about being a young girl, even being an unhappy young girl. And so when we get to actually see that again through her eyes, they're like, oh man, time.

And she's... I mean, she talks about this time is brutal. Yeah. And she did the thing.

the fresh paint yeah and then he does the first morph he likes that more effect that he you know he'd be with he ship turns into pretty cool it was great it was it really called the ship of dreams it was it really was and then you get rose I mean the movie is just really pumping you up in appropriate and I think also he could have had her be just as wowed by the ship as everybody else I guess that's kind of like part of her character is that she's not she's hard to impress I think she's sick of ostentatiousness right like right she's unimpressed by all of the sort of typical dressing of her like aristocratic she likes it real she looks a granny yeah she's not into it she loved it is acts night or DC universe you know she wants like the street level like the gravy Emily do you have any thoughts just about the suicide squad so so her he on say is really excited about the ship oh also this is something that other David pointed out correctly wonderful future podcast David I that the line about it being a slave ship would not it's not even clunk's yeah it's not Kate Winslow's character saying it because that you could forget because you're like oh look it's 1912 with the fuck she know but Gloria Stewart in voiceover says it was like a slave ship but she says but to be fair yes to be fair she does say to me it was of course like I was I was young and dumb and didn't know how privileged I was maybe but you couldn't assign as much as you want like a crash against the whole thing trying to port around the only reference to slave ships in this movie he's not right once the other Leo says that when he's going back down to third class when he's leaving dinner he's like I'm gonna go row with the other slave which is that's a pretty funny line and there's also that's funny slavery you got a good burn in on those those richy riches there is that scene where he goes down to the the lower class rooms and they're all watching almost on VHS there's that's just like the only it's the only thing I have on video though it's the only anachronism but I think it's good one that's because the movie was already running so long and then Jim Cameron decides to play like 25 minutes of almost not in the middle of it but the courtroom seems for some reason good about the Hopkins really pops in those yeah all right okay they did just the tracking so that's that's and it right so you want to talk about Cal count for comedy points on the performance that I really loved when I was a teenager it's it's so big what he's playing to the Chiefs it's so dialed into the yeah the grandest silliest like vibe of the you could place this performance in episode of Keenan and Kellen would track you know this is I mean he has one of the best yeah yeah well sorry you can go no he has one of the best please go has one of the best lines early in the film not in that scene but when we just have a whole like 30 minutes talk about art in this movie oh I'm really all Western art was lost in the Titan right like all modern insert every every major Monet the original Clemagnifson Amber Smith having your own but I love okay so I was I was tweeting about the other night and I didn't realize it another really good one is in this movie which is Picasso you won't amount to a thing yeah the the the winky history line I love it I believe your tweet was also about the fact that Jesus invents the chair in the passion of the price and they say it'll never work which does happen in that movie it's really the best chairs they'll never catch on because he's like yeah I'm just a simple carpenter here's my latest invention a chair no one's like chair why do you share some floor so we're said yeah you've had some that Christianity bullshit two flops in our own I think the Pharisees are just fine and I think the floor is just fine but just to continue with pain because I I want to I don't want to go back to the subject because I can talk about it forever but also when Jack comes back to their room later and checks out the Monet one of my other favorite lines look at the use of color here color and Cameron tracks his hand yeah across the painting like true artists you know where the eye goes in the frame that would be a good thing to get a picture as the person who can like read art you know that's their superpowers they can like read art and crack the cake or like X rain art yeah well so dark the con of man um Katie rich okay step up her game wrapped him up she's a bundle bundle much much like the Blu-ray DVD bundle that I bought for this one it's a four-day and it has two discs for 3D because the trap the movies and only fill one day okay so let's talk about this kid playing a poker game with his Italian buddy we talked about Pissing Trove it we got I mean yeah I've been listening you're talking about Diggas and he's not going anywhere and I love that you just took your headphones down I just been listening to the podcast while trying to cover it early I've been hovering it's been hovering it's been hovering it's been hovering it's hallway but I'm gonna pass it one more thing about the art before we move on to that scrappy young stowaway you can stop whispering but yes okay but I want to because this is dramatic I love the fact that he says who's this by and she goes I don't know what something Picasso which they were cheap yeah if you want to be even a little bit elegant and respecting intelligence of your audience you go I don't know Pablo something that's almost worse Picasso being the part you're a member and Picasso it's the ultimate audience flattering line no because there's nobody in that crowd is gonna be like oh who is that I who's that everyone is so stupid man it is such a James Cameron the thing where he's like trying to he's like don't you get it rose as smart she gets the Picasso's cool like before anyone else in high society there's so cheap there's the joke I love that line at least they were cheap at least they were cheap he says it's like love joy and love to his like I don't care my terminator I have no opinion on art for the listener at home David is doing a great Billy's name face when he's saying the line yeah he's doing a really good facial impression I just love that she has 50 suitcases and that she doesn't present it yeah yeah and it right she always has a picture brings pictures and the way he he puts the they drop this in what she's gonna do two and a half hours later where he handshakes the guy with the money and just like my faith in you sir she's love that around in the original Toy Story miss potato heads character introduction as he turns around goes look on Picasso because his face is in the order and I like laughter that joke I was like I can tell that's a joke but I didn't know what it meant my mom got me into art through toys oh my god she like bought me Picasso books because it was like I would only like things if they had an association to Toy Story weird kid I was a weird kid she loved it I was all about Picasso because I was like that guy's in Toy Story he's the only parent Toy Story he rules how old were you when you saw Toy Story six okay I mean it was right there I mean it seems like it's your little mermaid because little mermaid I'm realizing more and more is like an old earth like the ocean it's my it's my resist on it's like I'm wearing Toy Story sneakers right now he is there actually really cool you should check on the very subtle and sophisticated adult I'm a grown up you have any zane takes before we move on to or Kate what else has Billy Zane been in Phantom part of the future and one he's all three yeah Zoolander Zoolander Zoolander Zoolander He did a remake of Edward's Blender Glenda he's in Dead Calm which is he's pretty cool yeah yeah obviously it is crazy Lando yes he's in the the Sally Potter movie Orlando he's in Tombstone he's in the silence of the hands whatever that's a dumb Delaware he's I remember I did poster for that movie I think that's what we all were only he's in the Tales from the Crypt presents Demon Knight yeah and he had just been in the Phantom which is a terrific strange little superhero movie that was that we were a period where Batman did really well and they were like oh the thing they like is pulpy very very old school for you make other superhero movies they did the Phantom they did the shadow and they did the Tracy like they went to other like sort of early like 1900s pop stuff but then didn't adapt other it's very interesting he's being in movies his filmography is just so deep he makes like five movies a year all of them straight to the DVDs but it is funny to watch this movie and be like look yeah Leo okay Billy Zane I mean yeah but it was also this example of like you know high tide rises all ships we're like Zane had such a cultural moment like it didn't translate to him like doing a lot as an actor afterwards hope you enjoy your time together I just remember that like when this one best film at the MTV movie were Zane accepted it sure everyone else had sort of distance like I think because Leo had gone into his like hibernation mode right where he wouldn't deal right and I think Winslet was in a similar kind of life which is like move to London and she got married very quickly after that right but he was two years later she was going for two years and she got married and had a baby I think both of them sort of retreated and Billy Zane became like the spokesperson for the movie like I just remember I haven't seen a new cheese they knew she but Zane was like doing the press tour like you know when they were like a tiktik number one for a 16 week in a row here on the today show is Billy Zane and the same would just be doing the victory yeah just FYI were now in 12 minutes we haven't even introduced Leo to Caprio that's a part of it is like 40 minutes in I mean yeah because it's after we've already introduced everybody before they've gone on the ship yeah I think right we don't have this the Picasso scene right you have case introduction and Billy Zane and Francis Fisher right now most people yeah the big triumphant leaving King of the World no King of the World Considers sorry King of the leaving a chair board and after of course yeah they go straight from poker they run on boards and fiddle music plays and they rent straight up to the top deck and they go all the way to the front and then his foot is because there's two like Titanic leaving scenes like it's when they leave the document when they like go out into the open ocean right take it a sea mister mister and they're running late because they're by the time they win the tickets in the poker game to Swedish men all life is a game of luck yes well yes that comes later that's great I know but I've been for nine of you guys I don't like this game of luck is not really a game of luck it's kind of a game of luck I don't want to make it too long on the poker game but I'm not that time I'm not seeing is ridiculously cheesy even by Titanic standards I would say and I hate his stupid Simon Cowell bit where he's like you're not gonna I'm sorry I'm not gonna see your mom's Simon Cowell that's such a perfect call let's say America baby can I can I just put one editorial position out here just like at the top at the top of this podcast yeah I'll just Katie's book on your lap oh yeah I'm sorry I'll get a picture of Emily is nursing the book she's I know I know I know I'm still right now I can't sing I feel very envious maybe a noise but it's all about my book is making my biological pocket but I just want to put this out there and this is not exclusive to Titanic but it is related to Titanic I do not enjoy any you're not a decaprio performance ever in history including this one not a one note I do not and I stand and that was something that was one of my bad to like seventh grader like take away from this maybe like no no no no no no to Kevin isn't that good well I think he's that good I think I was good although he can be bad but I think Griffin I agree on the best Leo performance and we should do the best line from it right now right one two three we are doing appointed federal marshals I don't think it's a performance I think that's my favorite Elia what's your favorite Leo catch me if you can it's up there too yeah I I like the ones where he's having fun well for Wall Street I think that's gonna be his best. That's definitely, that's definitely, Emily's making a great face right now. Titanic's top five for me because I, I think he's fine in fact. He's not consistently great, but I think he's got, what he's able to do well in Titanic, very few actors can do well.

You know what I'm saying? He's not, he doesn't think he's trying anything. Yes. Oh, I would disagree.

Oh, Titanic's just seems like he's pushing it hard. Yeah. Other scenes I think he's got a very light touch. Yeah.

And you think if his later performance is where he's just working. You see the work, he's showing you the long division on the paper. Yeah. He's always felt like a little boy in a big coat trying to do like acting.

Which is why I think what the part it is, one of his best performances, because that's about a little boy in a big coat. And we'll see too. Yes. I think it's best, but shut around just the best one of them all because that is what that movie is about.

He is so fucked up that a whole island is pretending like he's a cop just to try and make him feel better. That's what I mean. Maybe starts like right now. That's what's right.

That's what's right. It's about filmmaking. Just Kevin Connolly is hanging out with you and Lucas Haas. Pussy Patrol.

Pussy Pussy Pussy. Why are you just got divorced? Pussy Pussy. I know.

Golden Age. It's not just Leo. It's a posse. Pussy not a patrol.

Nobody's patrolling. I didn't mean to say patrol. I'm sorry guys. I'm just trying to keep everything on track right now and talking about it.

So on track right now. Do you have a Leo? Okay. What's your name?

Leo Take? Yeah. What do you think Leo? Did you like Leo?

Oh yeah. I wasn't like obsessed with Leo. I was a little dario. I was a little dario.

Like I'm laying in the ship. Yeah. Like in a ship. I was like in a movie.

I was in a weekly house in the box office. It was a shock. It was what I do now. Such a movie movie in terms of all the sort of cultural seepings that a movie can have.

So I'm in the Iron Mask or the beach. Like I kind of feel the need to follow that. A funny post. I had seen Romeo and Juliet in theaters.

I think that's the only layout performance I had seen before. Yeah. Yeah. You just said O.

I mean I like that movie a lot. I think he's okay in it. I think he's pretty good in it. I think it's a young performance.

I mean yeah. It's fine. Well what do you think of it? Great.

That's the best. So my mom and sister. I was lucky in the quick in the day. Not a great movie but he's very creative.

Great to think about you over great. Like that performance made his career. Like that's what put him on the map. No one could do that performance anymore.

Never happened. And he has a very big modern movie star whose career is built on a performance that would be completely unacceptable. It's very true. Yeah and it's also interesting where it's like that's one of the few performances of that kind that still holds up.

Yeah it doesn't. Like they wouldn't let him do it today but it's one of the few times that someone has played a mentally challenged person and not made it feel sort of mockish. Yeah. You know it feels like he's playing it realistically without sort of any sentimentality.

Yeah. Which is like you can't say that for Sean Penn. You know. Does Rayman hold up?

I haven't watched it. It's a little it's a little cartoony. Rayman holds up. Yeah.

I think it's a good performance in a vacuum. I think it's like a little problematic like held against the real world. You know. Yeah.

All right. Leo's on the ship. Kate's on the ship. He's the king of the world.

He's the king of the world. I do think you're going to punch me in the face. I think that's fucking punch you in the face. Fudging.

Yeah. We're backing him. I do think we should talk about Leo Mania a little bit because that was like a result of this movie that hasn't really happened since then. Listen.

I can sum up the Leo Mania around this movie. Leo and Leonardo DiCaprio like Teenager like Teen Plain Leonardo DiCaprio. He was I believe 22 when he shot this movie. Okay.