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If you know what I mean, that's on the toilet. And we know this because we've been reviewing the listener league entries, which... Sensational. Awesome.
Incredible. Thank you. Brutal to have to just choose a handful of you for the listener league, but those decisions are being made. Yeah, they will be finalized probably today, tomorrow, this week for sure, and we will let you know.
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Oh, my goodness. So sometime, okay. You should have just started with this week. Well, the truth.
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The truth is I hope to have it done today or tomorrow. It's in my night. You know what I mean? There's a lot to do.
There's a lot to do. I was like, okay, I'm going to do it today or tomorrow. No. No.
I guess not. I guess not. It's look, if you don't hear tomorrow, it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean... It means I'm a busy man.
You ever negotiated against yourself. Well, you did. So thank you for those entries. It's awesome.
It's awesome to see the community and the foot clean is mighty. But I think your point in bringing that up was that several people have submitted about taking a Falcon. Yeah, that's their words. Not mine.
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Welcome to the waiver wire presented by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. All right. The last couple of weeks we have, we jumped into the waiver wire specifically for dynasty players that we're paying attention to in pre-season training camp that you should pick up that you should throw on the back of your roster. And then the next couple of weeks we'll be looking at what we kind of call the undrafted gyms, the, the players that aren't being selected in the average standard 12 team, 10 team league, but that you might want to, you know, tuck away, see what happens a week one or two.
Yeah. It's basically what we'll look at, you know, in the future weeks before kickoff for the waiver wire is essentially who you should be drafting in the last round or if you've done your draft because I know a lot of people have their drafts in the books already, you might want to take a look at your roster and say, yeah, I would rather have this, you know, this undrafted gym on the waiver wires, but for now, this is the final week of looking at it from a dynasty perspective. Last week we brought up such great names as Tyrone Tracy. Yeah, we can start there.
I mean, Tyrone Tracy, the news this morning, injured at practice, aircasted now being the latest. Yeah, he's going to the, he is going to the hospital for special surgery in the New York area. And so this is likely immediate surgery, likely a season in injury for a player that looked like a great depth pickup for the giant spaxfield, which maybe at this point leads you right into air. So, air gray would be the number one pickup now in replacement of that.
That's certainly a name to pick up. This depth chart is basically just Devin Singletary and if Devin Singletary goes down, then without Tyrone Tracy, air gray is a must pick up. And then Mike, you mentioned Jordan Winton. Yesterday, sixth round draft pick from the Rams who flashed in preseason might be worth costing on the back of a roster.
Yeah. I mean, it wasn't just the play, which it was sensational at six for 74. But the way he's being talked about by his head coach, I also in that game, they were talking to Stafford on the sideline and his words about Wintonton were very, very kind. No, it's not everything, but it is just, it's another piece of the puzzle.
Is this to me, to me, is someone that needs to be picked up just in case. Well, he's a grown man. Yes. Gordon Sean McVay says he's just a mature rookie.
He's a grown man. He plays like a grown man with a ball in his hands. I can't help but think that the view of Wintonton is being probably appropriately, you know, impacted by Puka's selection last year, like, you know, the Rams identifying value at wide receiver later in the draft. It is.
It's the collegiate production. The, you know, if you look at our production profiles and you compare what Puka had in college versus what Winton has had in college, there's, is, yeah, one is one is absolutely excellent. Like Puka crush versus zone, 3.81 yards per zone, which was better than Jamar Chase did. Wittington crush it nothing.
Yeah. But you look good on NFL field. So it's worth a shot. Couple other six round picks.
Andre Yoshibas, wide receiver for Cincinnati, should be on rosters. Jaylin Ailer, a six round pick who seems to have been kind of winning the wide receiver three job in Minnesota. And then another wide receiver three job that seems to be one is Jaylin Tolber in Dallas, who, you know, people talked about him when he was coming out and nothing materialized. Oh, yeah.
Johnny Wilson in Philly is also a six round pick. So are we just starting in six round? Six round wide. Well, those are the guys that are on waivers and dynasty.
But I do think Johnny Wilson has a path. He basically, even though he is six foot six, he's really more of a slot type of wide receiver. I think that's where they will use him and he has to beat out Paris Campbell. The good news for Johnny Wilson.
Johnny Wilson, I thought was, I liked his film in college. He was productive. He was large people. People really just said he was large.
Yeah. He was very, very large for water. She was like, Oh, you're going to have to move to Titan. And the Eagles draft and said, no, we're not moving him to him to Titan.
We think he's valuable and they've been using him. He's been getting first team reps and he only has to beat Paris Campbell. Paris Campbell's not good at football. So that's the path for Johnny Wilson.
Let me ask you guys, because his name has been brought up on the podcast, Colby Parkinson, Los Angeles Rams tight end because it was last year before the before the free agency period. Davis Allen looked like, okay, this is a good stash here because Tyler Higby, their starter, actually annihilated his knee in January of like, if it be as back by the midpoint of the season, I would say that's a, that's a huge success for him. Colby Parkinson signed a pretty lucrative deal. We didn't know exactly what to make of it, but he did not play this first preseason week.
He sat with the known starters. Meanwhile, Davis Allen was out there eight ton. Have you changed your view here of this? Cause look, Tyler Higby, while not a superstar has been a good fill in Titan.
The complication of the situation Jason brought up a long time ago, which is Colby Parkinson is a, he's worthy of the contract as a tight end in all the things that Titans do. But four years to accumulate 57 catches just makes me think that that role, he could be a full time starter and catch 25 pounds. He's proven that. So that puts that hesitation in there where it's like, okay, it's probably neither.
And then when Higby returns, it's definitely neither or definitely that sentence was weird. I liked it. I mean, you meant once you get back. There's three, you can, you can't say, neither.
Neither. None of them. Yeah, that's it. I think that's what you'd say.
Thank you. I would still prefer Davis Allen just for the hopeful upset. I think that we know that the hopeful upside of Parkinson doesn't really exist. He could have the role and the role could be like, oh, maybe you could stream him a week or something and he catches a couple touchdowns.
That's, that's the point. That's all I'm hoping for. They play some 12, you know, get out there in 12 Parkinson's blocking and Allen's running down the field. Yeah, I'm not hoping for that.
Like I don't care if I've got, there's going to be a hundred, you know, Titans out there that catch a couple touchdowns this year. I don't think Davis Allen gets it done, but I, I think that's where I would make my bet in the sense that if there is upside to be had, it's, it's in him. Any other waver names you guys want to bring up before we move on? I will throw out Jared Wyliele.
I mentioned on the Dynasty pod is my nasty boy of summer. He is the rookie tight end behind Travis Kelsey behind. No, great. And no, great, but no, great is not under contract next year.
Travis Kelsey could retire any off season. So all of a sudden there's a world where the number one, and he's been working with the, the starters from the, the very get go of camp. So I don't know. Jared Wylie's just a name to know.
And he at least is, he's, he's really athletic and that is in the simplest terms when you're trying to find a tight end. Athleticism is where you should start along with draft capital. All right. Thanks again to NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV.
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What is the latest? The latest I heard they're calling it a hamstring injury. I have not seen a significant update as to the grade, the severity, what happened, you know, they will probably shut him down for a little while here in, you know, you probably won't see him until the beginning of the season just to be safe with the, you know, hamstring pops up. And I will say that, you know, over the years, over the years, hamstring injuries in camp have a nasty habit of popping up again in the season.
That's not to say you can't draft Junior Gibbs. I mean, obviously, Junior Gibbs is awesome. It just raises his risk factor to me a little bit, you know, where he's going in draft. You know, I would take him ahead of Kyren easily every time.
Now it's like, now it's a little bit of a question. I have seen some Junior Gibbs dynasty managers sending through panic trades. Oh, don't, don't, don't. Not to trade him away to acquire Montgomery from the Montgomery manager because they feel like they need to almost buy an insurance policy right now due to the injury.
And I guess I'm curious how reactionary would you be in that situation? Like, would you give up a little bit of value in an unequal trade to just ensure your Gibbs or are you hurting yourself? No, I think I would in a dynasty league. This is I think it's jumped up to a one.
Like if I have Montgomery and the team, what gives comes to me for a very playable running back in David Montgomery, who if Gibbs is out, I have a locked and loaded RB one, that price starts at one. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I don't think I would trade David Montgomery for less than one.
He's let's say that Junior Gibbs is fully healthy this year. David Montgomery is a full starting running back. Yes. Has good chance of anybody in the league to score double digit rushing touchdowns.
And so yeah, I would I would say it starts there. I was I probably would have to pay more than one. Yes. Yes.
But when you take either Gibbs or Montgomery, there is a built in thing that most other running backs at value don't have where this is a playable asset and should the other guy go down, it becomes an incredibly important winning upside. Have we talked about that enough with Rehemos certain seventh round? Probably not. But fact that like, I mean, like, H.
Ann literally was heard three times last year. Yeah, but we don't I don't remember talking about that a lot on most of those. It's breakdown of just like, what have I told you H. Ann is going to week three?
Yeah, that most are be to last year. It will be a crazy steel. Did you guys see coach what? Oh, yeah, coach Donald coach of the Miami Dolphins coach Ronald McDonald talking about running backs and they he was asked about this like running backs being listed as starters and he kind of took I mean, look, he gives a wild answer sometimes, but essentially he was like it.
We have we have four good running backs like I will let the running back play dictate that type of stuff is essentially what he was saying. And so it's I mean, it just it just juiced me up for most or even more the value is is crazy. And that's not being off of each in. That's just being excited for a value running back.
We're getting later. I don't think if H and goes down that Rahim Mostert would do what David Montgomery or Gibbs would do in the sense that Jalen Wright, the the just brought in and Jeff Olson is still on the team. I think that they will still use a rotation. They were as I think with the Lions should one of those guys go down.
I mean, obviously some will come in to spell people, but the I mean, we saw it last year, even with Gibbs when Montgomery went down, they get the like a workhorse role. Yeah, I can share any other lines. No ice. Yeah, this is a new thing.
I mean, did you see Matt LaFore coming out and talking about like how how, you know, let's talk about this talk of how if, you know, trying to put a wide receiver as my wide receiver one makes a one of vomit. Listen, Matt, I'll make you a deal. You give me the top four fantasy finishers a wide receiver and I will call all your receivers one. Absolutely.
Just give us the order. Wait, no, you finish. You have two of them finished the top 12. I'll say you have two wide receiver ones.
There you go. That's a fair point. All right. Good news on Malik neighbors.
Not only did Brian Dable say that all the tests came back positive and they'll be okay. And that's not serious, but Malik neighbors said he feels good. He has no doubt he'll be there for week one. And he said he thought it was no big deal when it happened, but wanted to get it checked out.
Yeah. And I mean, that's good news because we've all rolled our ankle before where it is actually not a big deal. You know, we're like, oh, I'm worried. And then it's like, OK, you're OK.
He was stretching today. He's on the field that, you know, I think he practices this week and I'm starting to not worry at all about it. JJ McCarthy missed practice due to knee soreness. When I saw this come through, I thought it was an announcement that he was going to get first team reps and it was rather his knee.
Yeah. He's on the on the ouch list. Chase Claypool on IR ending his season. Good night, sweet prince.
And I see this news bit in here. So maybe Mike wanted to talk about it. I didn't put it in. Albert Breyer saying bears, why does he have a keen and Allen appears to be 230 pounds?
Yeah. What do you mean a beer? That's what he's listed at. Yeah, he was.
I think the point is whoa. Yeah. The 230 right now. I mean, what was he?
He wasn't playing at that last year. No way. That's I mean, something to watch. He was probably playing at 210.
Probably. Have you had that Chicago deep dish though? Oh, I mean, that's tough. Two to two to two thirty overnight.
And deep dishes that you pack it on. Yeah, I mean, that stuff is. Can you eat more than one slice of that? I'm not supposed to.
But can you? I could do. I could do slice. You can.
Yeah. I mean, that word is in the can. Are you put in the effort? You can do it.
Yeah, you think you're not training? Because you. But seriously, Keenan is going to town right now because that is. He's like, I'm almost retired.
It's fine. It's the one you're doing. I only work in the short part of the field. It comes up because there was like, there was some reporting from a few days ago of a report, a beat reporter out of San Francisco, Chicago.
And they're like, they had tweeted about it. And then they pulled it down. I'm talking about Keenan Allen's weight. And they're like, I want to make sure I'm getting the information correct.
Because, you know, we're just here. Like, just kind of a little slow to you guys. And then the actual report came out of there. So it's just Keen Allen's elite player.
But if he's really a little bit overreap, playing it that way, it's going to be a problem. Our data from last year, I don't know when they weigh in, but looking, says 6 to 2 11 was Keenan. Yeah, that's a pretty big difference. So I'm going to pay attention to that.
Today's news and notes presented as always by USA insurance, learn more at USA.com slash insurance. We're going to take a break, jump right back into a ranking scoundill. This just, Keenan is not 240. Oh, no, another slice.
2 45. Oh, man. So tight end is in the picture. So you're seeing at the rate I'm going, I could turn in the, I could be Keenan out.
Other than, yes, you are Keenan, you are Keenan Allen, other than Calvin Benjamin. I can't think of a lot of the like a weight related wide receiver story. Like I know that's not what I remember frequent. Yeah, that's it.
That's it. He didn't have a drop right now. I'm thinking of Devin S scrumptious. I don't have it here.
Tight ends. All right. Top 10 tight end rankings wrapping up our rankings episodes. We are in half PPR and Mike, you had some stuff that talks in about tight ends.
I just, we're giving, give you our hopeful potential top 10 here, but want to remind people of what actually has happened historically when we're drafting tight ends and their ability to hit a true ceiling. So over the last five years, in average draft position, the tight ends were drafted one to three. They have been hitting that top five out of 60%. Obviously, if you draft a guy, one, you don't want him top five, but it's at least it's not a complete disaster.
Yeah, it doesn't ruin the fact. Right. It's so there's the high end tight ends are hitting. That's why people are more and more jumping into that.
If you go to like the middle of the draft, you know, the four to six, that has dropped down to a 37% and here is the absolute killer. 80 P over the last five years, tight ends drafted seven to 12 have finished on the top five, three percent of the time. That's not top three. That's not the number one.
That's the top five. They only break in three percent of the time. Yes. So it essentially what the point is of the strategy that we talk about a lot of I want in elite tight end and then there's that middle tier of like four to six where I'm okay, taking the chance on them.
But after that, you pretty much punt the tight end position. But that means you're also punting upside. Right. Like based on these data, you are, I guess what I mean is you need to be realistic about the outcome of that punts.
You can't just say like hunting it, but then I hope to get top five production by some miracle. You're almost nothing. Right. But I'm saying is half of last year's top 12 were drafted in the 10th round or later.
Like it's these, it's those, it's the tight ends where you're at the point of, oh, I did I got to get a tight end. I still got to get one and they're running out. It's the truth of 80 P has been don't worry about those guys when it's running out. You're really talking about the first few players we're going to mention the guys that are near, you know, what tight end nine, 10, 11, 12, those type of guys.
Historically, the, the hit rate of these first few guys we're going to talk about is, is bad. So then if you said half of last year's top 12 were round 10 plus, yes, and 97% of the top five historically is the first six tight ends off the board, then threading the needle on and wasting a pick from the middle rounds towards the end is not worth it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Exactly. Yes. Number 10. Well, what a cool introduction for David and Jocu.
Hey, it's not that we're saying it's impossible for these players. These are our best shot at it. It's just know what you're getting into when you're drafting tight ends. Is there any position though, just to kind of throw a wrinkle into the thought process and totally throw out everything you said.
All right. Is there, is there any position like tight end where you do see these runs from the position over periods of the season where the final result is very different, like, could be like the Jocu's season. He was the league winning tight end. Yes.
He was the singular league winning tight end, but his fantasy finish was the tight end six. So he didn't qualify, right? Like he didn't fit into that box of finishing top five being drafted in those middle rounds. And yet, you know, the tight end position is strange because you can catch lightning in a bottle.
And we've seen that as seasons have ended from time to time. So, you know, you talk about Mike on tips and tricks and we got tips and tricks episode this week. You've talked about looking at your season in chunks. And I wonder if you don't have one of those top five guys, if you need to keep looking at your season in chunks at the tight end position.
Yeah, look at that schedule because those who have a warm and fuzzy feeling about David and the Jocu from last year had him at the end. They didn't have him at the beginning because the first five games of the season, he put up 3.4, 4.8, 4.7.6. Okay. 3.9.
Like he was white or tight end 17 was the highest finish he put up in his first five games, which was just par for the course of a six year career where you have been waiting for David and the Jocu to do what he did at the end of the year, but never got. Yeah. And all it took was Joe Flacko. So the question with David and the Jocu is was the late season, you know, man, I'm a list of breakout.
Oh, enough to enough to like make him the clear number two target in the office. Or was it the fact that you had predominantly a Joe Flacko led stretch of games for his best games that were, you know, look, you got a statue in the pocket that's not going to be extending plays and look, you know, he's looking for that safety valve and hyper targeting the Jocu. I, I keep going back and forth, but I landed more on the side that I don't think the Jocu is going to be as good as he was the second half of last year with Deschan Watson there. Well, the cost is an eighth round pick.
So it's in that, that danger zone that Mike was talking about. Do you agree with the same hesitation? Is it just, you know, everything on the soften seems to come down to whether Deschan Watson is a real quarterback or not? And he played her.
I mean, that was, yes, he played her, but he played poorly as well. Well, good news. He's cleared for contact as it just came through this morning, cleared for contact to Sean Watson. Every day he starts to be re-cleared.
Right. Re-cleared for contact. He was cleared yesterday, but then they wanted to make sure. Right.
Well, he got hit and then it's like, oh, he's not, he's unclear. Now he's back. I, I, Jerry Judy also factors into this. Like is Jerry Judy a real wide receiver?
And I'm not talking about, you know, is he actually played that position? I mean, they traded for him. They do not practice in either. Yeah.
But over the course of the season, they mean they made a gamble on Jerry Judy. And if, I mean, a mark who is either one, if Jerry Judy really can be the second target in here and David de Jocu is then the third, I think that becomes a huge situation. Week was Nick Chobinger. I think it was like week two.
I mean, I'll verify it. It was very early week two. OK. I guess I was curious too, from an identity perspective, and we won't have Chob to start the year as well.
We've got about Jerome Ford, but like the offense is going to need to transition into passing offense. And the question is just whether, like you said, do you have a player in Judy? Is Amari Cooper the same guy he's always been? And do they force feed the ball to the Joker or not?
And I don't think it's, you know, the stakes are not as high with an eighth round pick if you believe that they're going to continue to compete. I mean, I, I thought that Kevin Stavansky and this team did the most impressive job with all of the injuries last year of any team. And now it's their job to make the Sean Watson work. And, you know, I get the impression that most of the time we talk about in the Joker, you two would rather just wait.
Yeah, I think I'll keep taking shots when when I get passed. So I've talked about a bunch, right? The top five. I want one of the top five Titans.
That's that's where I'm usually trying to get the fifth one because I think there's five guys that can get number one. I've now started to really kind of include George Kittle and that's what's six. We'll have a big question mark here when we get to, you know, the next guy on the list. But I will say that after those guys, I'm waiting until whatever my last pick is.
I just don't I just don't care the difference between whether I get in a Joku or Pat Fryer, Muth or whoever I'm I'm fine just loading up on water severs and running backs and saying if I'm not having a stud tight end, I want the rest of my roster to be worth it. Like there should be a reason that my team doesn't have a great tight end. It's because I loaded up elsewhere. Not just, oh, I got a worst tight end.
Well, yeah, no, I mean, that's a good strategy. And it probably is the one that's going to bear out. The nice thing about a Joku unlike Fryer, Muth or some of the other later names is that you had a stretch for from week seven through 17 where he was the number one tight end of fantasy. It's always nice to know like Kittle, to some extent, like Kittle hasn't been what he was three or four years ago.
At least you know on any given week, this one player can win you a week at the position where, you know, at least with firemutes and shorts, I don't think that's going to happen. Right. I'm okay. I really am okay with people are like David and Joku's the guy of this rings.
I don't want to take the chance on. He just he's not that for me because simply because of the next player, the number nine tight end here, who is in the exact same range like ADP, we're going from David and Joku to this number nine, number nine, Jake, Turd Ferguson of the Dallas Cowboys. That's why the poop emoji is written in there. Yeah, third Ferguson.
It's funny hat. It's funny hat. Big gap. It does make him more attractive now.
Yeah. Yeah. Turd Ferguson is your target here in the now he still qualifies in the same, the same range as as a Joku and those stats that you're talking about. And he was only the he was the tight end eight at eight point three points per game, but you both would take him over in a joke.
And the reason being is I believe and I'm firmly projecting that Ferguson is the number two target for the Dallas Cowboys passing offense. He led all tight ends and red zone targets. It didn't turn into as much fantasy goodness as we want. You're pointing.
Oh, breaking news. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm seeing surgery for JJ McCarthy. What?
Is that what? Do Sir's Alley? What are we reporting? I'm betting the Falcon dropped this one.
So what do I see Adam Shaftor? How is it? So it is from Shifty. How extensive the surgery on JJ McCarthy's meniscus is will determine how long he will be signed.
Dude, he's going to undergo knee surgery and then they will determine the severity in the surgery. So he went under went an MRI on Monday night. So this is a follow up on our breaking news or our new segment from earlier. Surgery from McCarthy looks so good.
Dude, the baby may need to be sacrificed over a longer period of time. That's unfortunate, but I'm in this case, injury is also not, you know, we're not talking a catastrophic ACL tear. No, no, it's not that. But you if if memory is serving me right, like there, you can have a meniscus surgery that can take you out for the year that happened to to Irv Smith and then you can have one sports almost like they're snipping it and then it's just like Larry Fitzgerald did or two, three weeks.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it I guess we sit back and wait for which surgery he gets.
That is a big time bomber. Yeah. All right. Back to the turd.
So anyway, he's the number two guy on the team. And last year while it was his sophomore year, it was his first year as a starting tight end in the NFL for the Cowboys where David DeJoccoo is headed into. So I mean, I believe it's year 22. Yeah.
He's only 20 years old though. Yeah. He's amazing. He's very David DeJoccoo still young for a tight end, but it's just drafted at 12 years old.
We we haven't seen it where his first year being the starter. He was the tight end eight. And I think he can I think he can improve from there. He left a ton on the field.
If you look at what his expected touchdown rates should have been for the amount of red zone work he received. And Dak has always used his tight end this way. So Dax number one tight end while they don't have a clear alpha wide receiver to like when it was Cooper and Lamb together, there's a good role here. Now this still falls into the same category.
Like when I say that I lean more on the side that David DeJoccoo is not going to be great. Not going to be that tight end one with with Watson. I'm not out on a joke or out on Ferguson. I like both, but they are in the same category to me of like, I just don't care that much about the this level of Titan.
I want to view this as a streaming position. Titans are one of the best positions to like actually get a lot of points based on matchup and playing the matchup. I mean, we forget that it wasn't just a flacko thing for DeJocco, but we knew that his upcoming schedule against the Titan was like, he played like the six worst defenses against Titan in a row. So Ferguson falls into that category for me.
I like him. He's got upside with the touchdowns. He let all Titan's 25 targets in the red zone. Yeah.
Talk about a different kind of player than the joke from an athletic profile. Oh, yeah. But he's tough, you know, like the joke is off the charts and all the major explosiveness and quickness and speed. Ferguson is not bad.
He's just he prototypes as a touchdown dependent, potentially great red zone target on a great offense and should not be ignored. Do you, Andy, you're more. Andy, you're more in on the joke than we are. Do you who do you feel like has a better probability of acting up hitting 10 touchdowns?
Jake Ferguson. OK. Yeah, I am really trying. I mean, in this conversation, all the conversations on the offseason, I'm trying to like, like wash away any bias I have from like, I jumped on the back of David and a Jocco and wrote that.
So I wrote that stallion into a championship. I mean, he didn't even feel you. That's how strong he had no clue. Yeah, you was a fly on his back.
But I mean, like middle of last year with the schedule. And again, we part of the in-season tools that we provide is the strength, the schedule and the projections of where weaknesses are tied in. It takes time to accumulate that you cannot go into the year and project every defense from last year to be the same, have the same weaknesses. It always changes.
So it takes two or three weeks. A lot easier. Yeah, it takes two or three weeks at least to identify it, normally four or five, get real meaningful data and then you make those mid-season adjustments and both the Jocco and Ferguson fit into that category of one, if you take them, don't stay hyper committed. If it's not working out and in Jason's case, like maybe it's just not worth the mid-round commitment.
If you can take a shot somewhere else, if you like an upside talent later, we need to move on to a chaotic number. Number eight. Kyle Pitts. Yeah.
This is the one I said incorrectly with seven. This is the interesting one. Who's taking the shot on? Nice, Miss Direction.
Yeah. I mean, Kyle Pitts is all about raising the chaos. If you take Kyle Pitts, it's not, he's a fifth round pick. I mean, that's going to make it hard to do.
He could be the best pick. And then you'd be the number one side. Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. No, I want to say yes. Man. What have you said?
No, I'm going to say no. Yeah, that's what I would do. Man. Otherwise, you're the guy who said yes to that.
And that's not. I mean, Kyle Pitts is a new offense, new quarterback yards as a rookie. Yeah, a thousand. But he couldn't turn left last year.
You know, you saw that in his film, like he was still struggling with the knee. So if he's fully zooming. Yeah, yes. He's really healthy.
He had he had fewer yards last year. Stumbine. Oh, then his rookie season. Yeah.
And you really felt it. You saw it. He didn't look that great. I can't turn left.
We're still hung up on. And I guess I just don't know if it's rightfully hung up. Like he has not yet 24 years old. This is a young young player who genuinely is the best tied in prospect I've ever seen.
Who among us wouldn't want to be the one that drafted him and got what you wanted? Oh, man. That's the tantalizing prospect of Kyle Pitts is he could be a league winner for where he's going. He's being drafted, you know, is whatever the is he really being drafted to the Titan six?
Yeah, he is. And right now we all have him below that. We have him at seven. I haven't seven.
Mike and a Jason at nine, but I would like to pay them the joke. Who press? Yeah. I'd be comfortable with that risk.
He's just looking back just trying to remember, you know, injuries play into it. But as a rookie, he had he had Matt Ryan. He had a great quarterback. And then he's had just pure trash.
If you watch it doesn't really play preseason football, you might not know how trash it was, but it was trash and it comes down to cur cousins and your belief in the recovery of his Achilles and the new coaching philosophy that I cowpits is a very difficult player because the emotional destruction of the last two years from Kyle Pitts has been immense. But he is like, you want to find athleticism in a Titan? You're not going to find more than Kyle Pitts. And you ask about the offensive, the pecking order, because usually to be a very good, a high end Titan that is great for fantasy.
You have to be either the number one target for the office or the number two target for the office. Doesn't work if you're beyond that. And he's scared of Darnell Mooney. That's the thing is like, who's the number two target in this office?
Obviously it's Drake London number one. And then it very well could be copics. He can't achieve that role. Whereas, you know, that's where when we talk about Kittle, it's a little harder because of all the people in front of him.
You know, if Pitts were to slide in a draft, if you're in a draft where nobody is a believer and he's falling to the eighth round, I will take a shot because I see the path for high, high upside, but I'm passing by him. I mean, I have zero shares of him right now in the fifth round. This price is not I'm not doing it. Wait, so if I'm Kyle Pitts is being drafted before George Kittle?
Yeah. And that's no, no, no, no, no, no. That's incorrect. That's just flat out wrong.
Yeah. All right. Well, we'll take a break and talk about George Kittle in a minute. All right.
You guys just reacted to the fact that our number seven tight end is being drafted behind Kyle Pitts. Number seven. This is a travesty. That'd be George Kittle.
I've drafted him before. Yeah. My cousin at five, Jason at seven. I'm at nine.
I'm moving him up. We all have. We all want the dust to settle. Now you could move him up and then I use stays and then your opinion will revert.
It isn't. It's actually the next time then we're going to talk about that I would personally much rather have Kittle over who we currently have at six. So. Yeah.
Okay. We'll get there. I mean, just love them together then. Yeah.
Number number six. Number six. Evan Ingram. We can talk about him both at the same time.
Yeah. So who I have higher. We I believe we've got him as the market of the beast. I believe we all have him at tight and sick, which is how many market the beast references do you try to get a show?
However, there are. See in the beast. He's everywhere. If I see it, I say it.
I call it out. See something. Say something. Okay.
Even when it has to do with the beast. Look, I was only a piece of it. Okay. I'm only one of the six.
Oh, you say you were going to change. I am. I'm changing. So he's no longer going to be market.
I actually tracking it. Kyle has made that made that up. Oh, all right. Kyle said 39 times.
When you say stuff, I believe it. 66 on the references. The beast of the market, the beast squared. Oh, okay.
So George Kittle, George Kittle and Evan Ingram, let's talk about those two guys and whether they should be drafted in that higher range area. Here's the thing with George Kittle, George Kittle, I always want to say he's going to be inconsistent because his lows are low when, you know, when they have a game plan that is not his, he can go out there and score 1.4 fantasy points, 0.6 fantasy points, 3.4. Like he'll just, he's not, he's a blocker that game, but also he is unbelievably great. And if you look back at the last three years, he's been the Titan for the Titan three, the Titan five to top five, all three years.
And then you do have the built in like maybe Brandon and you does get traded. I'm in the opposite camp for sure. I want slow and steady. Give me the tortoise.
Evan Ingram was the Titan two last year. They lose Calvin Ridley. They don't know what they haven't Brian Thomas yet. They don't have Zay Jones.
I am all about getting the steadiness of Evan Ingram as opposed to the occasional Superman performances from George Kittle. Kittle had three times last year. It's the number one overall in a week. That's not Evan Ingram's game normally, but the volume is just outrageous.
So I am on the Ingram side, Mike. How do you weigh in? I have to get one spot ahead of his. I don't have the numbers in front of me.
I will see if we can pull those up. Jason, is that your phone? No, what was what my phone night? I could let that one go.
It was too long to some other shows may edit. Some other shows may hide. But we shame here on the fantasy football. No, I deal what you're talking about and why is your laptop ringing?
Why do you have your laptop that ring like I don't know how to make my laptop. Stop calling when I get a phone call customer. My laptop out of it. You pick it up and hold it up like a phone.
Hello. I'm in the cinema. Hello. Oh, man.
Yeah, no, someone after the show showed me how to turn that picture off of my laptop. It's so stupid. Why do you do that? Apple?
Why do you know what I'm saying? It's her phone call and their laptop. We always say if somebody doesn't mute something and sound comes through that you get slimed like Nickelodeon, like it drops from the rafters. Like if we had that, that would be so fantastic.
It was what I was going to bring up was like, since Brock Purdy has been the quarterback, like George Kittle had a couple games of course last year, but he was. Let's see what's he's a be in consistency for us. Same as Evan Ingram despite all those targets. And and the his upside is just it's greater than Evan Ingram.
Ingram is not a touchdown guy. That's just it's not part of it. And the concerns of when he went turbo over the second half of last year, talking about Evan Ingram, it aligned perfectly with when Christian Kirk miss time because Kirk can take those underneath routes as well. So that's where the tiebreaker.
No, I like it's I like it's a good to be a PPR. No, you have historically hated him and I've always loved him. Oh, that's dare you. That's exactly if you go back to the archives mute and then play them on mute.
You will hear that just under 40% of Evan Ingram's total points. Last year came in three games. He had that outrageously high 27 point game where he had the multiple touchdowns. You know, he basically had three monstrous weeks, but he had a lot of that season where he was just not that great for fantasy.
It's fair. I mean, he had it's a really weird situation between the two because he almost. He literally almost doubled George Kittle's reception. Like Kittle's at 65, England was at one 14.
And you're right. I mean, it is a different recipe and maybe maybe the steadiness of Ingram is not what you're looking for. It just depends on like what's the draft cost difference. It's about around different.
Like if Ingram slipped into the seventh round and I can get that instead of paying for Kittle, that's just my personal. These names are why I think it's important in for the book, and out there, I think you should get one of the next five we're talking about. And just real quick to because Evan did finish as the tight end to in a half point scoring format with 173 points, Georgie Porgy was tied in five with 170 points. And he didn't play in week 18.
Like, I mean, if Kittle had played the final week of the season and given one of his vintage garbage performances, he probably would have finished as a tight end to. Well, not only that, but Evan Ingram in that final week wasn't that the week. They were going for the record. They were manufacturing him, trying to get him the record.
So a lot of his fantasy points when he was the tight end one that week were like, look, I will not stand for this. And from horse garbage time is a flat circle. It is number five. All right, we're going to blitz these top five because you know the names and just say something interesting about them and we'll go through them.
Dalton King K comes in at number five for Jason and I Mike at seven. There are a lot of questions in the offense in terms of what do you do? I think my number seven. Yeah.