Top Five Summertime Movies

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What's up CR? I just drenched myself in Hawaiian Tropic for this. I hope you know. I smell like a coconut and big pharma.

Let's go. Amanda, you're a summer gal. You like the sun. You like to swim.

You like to be outside. We don't share that. Talk to me about your summer movie experience so far this year. Yeah, I was reflecting that summer is the only time that I'm truly happy.

And a lot of it has to do with the warmth and the swimming and the activities. You and I are both children of the summer. So I do feel that the stars and the sun aligned in some way for me. But for me, summer and also summer movies, in addition to getting to swim a lot, or just about no rules, no parents, normal business is suspended and anything can happen.

And I find that pretty exciting. And that was kind of the animating thing that inspired my list, which do all happen within the context of summer itself, I believe. The time and the setting is really important, but there is also a mood to a quote summer movie. And I guess what I'm saying here is I did the emphasis on summer as a season, as opposed to the type of movies that often get released in the summer when you go to the to the movie theater, which we are no longer doing.

Yeah, let's make that distinction. This is not a podcast about the best summer blockbusters ever released. There's an ongoing series on the ringer right now about that very idea. There have been some wonderful movies released around our birthdays.

Amanda, we talked about on this show. We love to go to the movies for our birthday. The summer is a great time for movies. We're talking about is capturing the feeling, the essence, the truth of summer in a movie.

And that is a slightly different proposition. Chris, are you a summer movies guy? I love summer movies. I found myself really having a hard time narrowing it down to five and you know, trying to balance as I always do with these lists, whether it's a Hall of Famer, a top five, like being true to myself, but also not wanting to get too cute.

This is one of those topics though, Sean, that I think you could very reasonably pick the like Rushmore of the Mount Rushmore of summer movies and feel completely like personally represented in them. Like a lot of the times when it's like, what are your five favorite films? If somebody was like, citizen Kane, Godfather 2, but then you'd be like, you're not a real person, but in this, you and the three of us were talking and we were like, should we just take a couple of movies out and be like, obviously, it's these three or obviously it's these four, but like now let's be personally interesting. And Sean said no, because he still believes in rules even in the summer.

So we had to follow Sean's rules. Well, no, I think that, you know, we'll have a conversation. We'll share our top fives. This is something that's going to go on the internet.

So you know what that means as soon as people see it or hear it, they're going to be like, you guys forgot about this, you fucking morons. So invariably, there's no way to kind of capture what we might deem to be the consensus. There are a couple of movies that we'll talk about that are broadly thought to be consensus summer movies, but I don't know the fun of this, this exercise is getting to talk about the small and the big. And so, yeah, like you said, like we've, there's a few of these, I think there are a few summer films that we've talked about on this podcast that we've talked about, we're on rewatchables very extensively.

So I did try to like give myself the homework, you know, no homework during summer, but I tried to give myself the homework assignment of trying to find like a couple of more obscure picks here, not really, but you know, slightly more obscure. Amanda, you mentioned that kind of setting and time of year are very important to this is there also like a vibe to these movies? What on your list, what captures the essence of summer? Definitely no parents.

All nostalgia, I found, or a lot of them are people either reflecting on the summers of their childhood, or they are summers about childhood, there's a lot of coming of age, like, you know, which makes sense, because summer in its purest form, where you don't have to go to school, and you don't have any homework, and you like are finally a little bit in control of your time and can look at the world around you, is really only experienced by children and people who are in school. And I miss it every year, I really miss it every day. It's not limited to summer that I don't long for summer vacation. So that is a theme, but I think also, you know, what I was saying earlier, just about kind of like normal businesses suspended.

And so people are in situations that they aren't usually in, and people are out, and people are interacting more, and then sometimes really great things happen, and sometimes like real tragedies happen. They are like major events happen in the summer, in my experience, not limited to but including my birth. Chris, what about for you? Is there like a skeleton key to the story of a summer movie?

I think it's suspended animation. And now that can take place that can be condensed into a day or a night. Like, I love all in one day summer movies, I love all in one night summer movies, obviously, we'll probably talk about a couple of those, but it's also for the characters themselves in the film. I always feel like they are in a state of in between, you know, whether it's in between a school school year, maybe they're having some sort of personal crisis, or maybe like the community that surrounds them is in some sort of state of transition.

But this moment is kind of like right before the the collapse or the rise, like it's there's always this kind of breathtaking in summer where nothing really changes that much, but everything changes. And I think that's that's what I like so much about these movies, even if some of them aren't necessarily like, man, it is a scorcher out. Before we share our list, I just I wanted to check in with you, Chris, about how you're feeling about the world of movies on the watch, you and Andy are frequently not always, but frequently talking TV. You're big, you're a big Chris Nolan, Stan, I know you've got a big space in your heart for it, you know, it's the 10 year anniversary of inception recently, and people have been celebrating it, not me, but people have been, you didn't get a chance to appear on that rewatchables and that was maybe an error on our part.

How are you feeling about no tenant, how are you feeling about no summer of Nolan, how are you feeling about no summer really of new movies in the way that we were hoping? Well, thanks, John. I mean, I am the proprietor of the on a da armus, Stan spin off Twitter account, Chris, Chris Nolan, Sippin T. I think like three people got that, but I was one of them Chris, we love having you on the big picture.

You know, I'm I'm gonna further back to you guys, why hasn't he just been like, see you next summer? What does he have some other urgent business happening? Like, is he already have another movie that he wants to get going? Like, what's the problem?

What, why not just kick it to next summer? If it's important to summer movie, or does he think this film can single-handedly save the theatrical experience if it comes out? I mean, he's a smart guy. We've seen like, I, he knows what's what the kind of consequences and the dangers of, of putting a movie out right now and having people be like, I don't know, on one end, it's super dangerous to be indoors with lots of people on the other end, tenant, you know, like, I don't understand why this movie does not take place like now.

We can wait a year. It's not like it's gonna lose its, its sort of timeliness. So I'm kind of confused by why this has become a debate at all. I think it's just big savior energy.

You know, I think that he's, he's very eager to be the person. And frankly, he's earned the right, you know, I mean, he is maybe the signature filmmaker of the last 10 years. And so maybe, I mean, in some ways, I admire the gall, I admire the balls to just say, like, it is up to 10 and to save this experience. What do you think, man?

I mean, is it really Christopher Nolan sitting in a room being like, I will decide 100% whether movie theaters reopen and the public health and safety of like, there are too many corporations involved for me to think that it rests in Christopher Nolan's hands alone to be like, let's push it next year. And I think that, you know, we've seen like the National Theatre's lobby is just is desperate and is suing people and doing everything they possibly can in order to get these theaters open and definitely exerting pressure on studios. And I'm sure that there have been a lot of conversations with Warner Brothers behind the scenes. Like, I'm sure Warner Brothers is weighing how much money it loses pushing it a year versus releasing it.

And you know, there's like, again, there's just so much uncertainty that I do, I think because tenant has become political football, I wonder whether it's like 100% Chris for Nolan's decision at this point. Also, I do really think at this point, tenants appeal is so tied to, you can go back to movie theaters and you can see tenant like it is now for better and worse that that's become its marketing identity and the identity of the movie. And so if they give that up, I think it's like an admission of failure. And I suppose they think that that will have effect on the back office a year from now.

That's just my guess. To your larger question, Sean, like, I think I just realized like how much of my summer I spent in movie theaters, which I know I think I always kind of knew intellectually but didn't know emotionally about the amount of nights I would kill or hot days I would kill going to Arklay, going to Vista, going to New Beverly, going to any number of the great theaters here in Los Angeles. And you know, another thing that I miss is when you're watching stuff largely on streaming services, there is a real curatorial vibe. Like you're always kind of like finding your own algorithm and saying like, well, this is exactly what I want to watch.

And you can Google, I want to watch a horror movie with a very long setup, preferably on a road trip, possibly at camp, you know, and you will get a list of 11 movies, let's do that. Those are your favorite kinds of movies, Chris. But I like how some massive movie theaters can be where you're like, I just want to get out of the house. What is the thing that's got like an above 50% metacritic rating that I can go see for two hours?

And I kind of, I kind of miss that like experience as much as I miss the popcorn popcorn and googers combination. Chris, that is like a very particular you phenomenon though, and it's something I really admire. Popcorn and googers or being submissive? No.

All of you above. You know, you and I do share a lot of food interests, but no, you'll just be like, sure, I'll go see this movie. I don't know a lot about it. Like I have two hours I'll wander in.

And I don't pass, I don't really take as many risks in that way, possibly because like we just have to watch so many damn movies for this podcast because Sean watches them all at like two in the morning and I'm like, ah, I got to catch up. My sub work series. No, but you know, I do wonder whether as many people are doing what you do in a theater, Chris, or whether actually at home now streaming people are like, oh, I guess I'll just click on this for a while. And whether streaming has like an hand now, then you're watching it a different way at home, which we've also discussed.

But I think more people could stand to have like their Chris Ryan movie viewing. I'll just try it. And that maybe streaming I'll always make it easier. Yeah, just a circle of the square on this whole thing.

After seeing the news over the last couple of weeks and then specifically the sort of stock market analysis conversation around whether or not movie theater should be opening. It struck me that I think a lot more movies are going to come out of to PVOD. Tenant may not. Tenant may actually be actually learn Chris soon.

Maybe even before this podcast is posted that Tenant is moving to 2021 because preserving that experience is really important. And Amanda, to your point, I think it's not Nolan's soul discretion that is allowing the movie to go when he wants it to go. But Warner Brothers in particular, I think is an important part of this because it's a studio that prides itself on having long term relationships with filmmakers. You know, this is the studio of Clint Eastwood.

This is the studio of Stanley Kubrick. And so because of that, they have this this fealty, this kind of interconnected relationship where they don't move unless everybody's on board at the same time. And if Nolan is pushing back, then he keeps getting to push things every two weeks. But we'll see where things go.

Instead, let's just let's focus on the summer that we've designed for ourselves. So let's talk top five now. Chris, do you want to start us off with your number five summer movie summer time movie? Yeah, sure.

My number five is Rear Window. Now it's important, obviously, to distinguish that Rear Window might be one of like the 30 best movies ever made. So to say it's the fifth best summer movie, but this is a personal list. Obviously, it's Alfred Hitchcock's portrayal of claustrophobia and voyeurism, starring James Stewart and Grace Kelly, who never seems to be affected by unity in this movie.

But James Stewart is, James Stewart is trapped in a wheelchair with broken legs throughout a heat wave and is sort of forced to entertain himself by looking out the window and using his, he's a photojournalist and using his telephoto lenses to kind of spy on his neighbors and take in their behavior. And I included this, not only is it just still an absolute flawless masterpiece of a movie making, but I don't know about you guys. And I'm not sure to be a creep. I've certainly noticed a lot more about my neighbors over the last couple of months.

You can't help it. And it's just like, oh, that guy sighs a lot, you know, you hear things, you see things, you wonder things, you notice incidents that maybe you wouldn't have seen if you hadn't been home all day long and all night long. And the heat has definitely made it a little bit more, I don't know, I guess like the tension has been rising a little bit, you know what I mean? And I think that everybody's kind of been inside here for the last couple of months, like really like really cooped up.

And now that it's heat waves have been hitting Los Angeles and I didn't know it across the States, you know, I think that there's just like that feeling of like appearing out your window. And you kind of want to know what's going on, but you don't want to know what's going on. I just think that this movie captures that that summer claustrophobia in an amazing way. Chris, would you say that because you've already talked about submissiveness as a cortex for you, would you also say that voyeurism is important to you?

No, actually, I mean, like, my wife says I'm nosy. I think I'm helpful, you know, like, we're gonna take that part of the conversation. Because I think I can be like gossipy, but I also I'm always just like, I'm just like curious, you know, and I'm also like, if there's like a fight down the street, some people might be like, fucking the double lock the doors. I'm just like, half of me is like, I should go break this up.

And half of me is like, what if what happened? What's started? I wonder why this guy's just so mad at each other. I wonder if this guy's gonna like, and so I think I definitely like feel that when I watch rear window.

How is there not a rear window to live from your home? Like, I just, let's do it. Okay. It's just the guy across the street building his new stairs.

You know what I mean? Like, it's not there's nothing that I know. He's building stairs that bury someone underneath them. Yeah, we're that cat go Amanda.

What's your number five? What is that way from rear window? One of the greatest films of all time to one of I would say one of the greatest summer movies of all time. This is a choice that goes out to all the young men and women who know what the words Devin Sawaf mean.

Yes. Yes. So my pick is now and done. What did you say?

I said, girls, can't play softball. What you doing? Roberto, remember you're a lady. Why don't you go home and play with your dolls?

The only doll Roberto's got is a GI gel. Which is a 1995 movie that is essentially Sam by me about for girls. And I saw this at a formative time. And I think it is, it lives in my head.

I think the way a lot of Sam by me maybe lives in people's heads that are slightly older than me. The setup is there are four older women, they're adults. They are played by Demi Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, Rita Wilson and Melanie Griffith, which is just like some peak 90s for you. And you know, they made one of those packs.

And so they've reconvened primarily because they're really famous movie stars and they have to get this movie made. And then they reminisce about the summer of 1970 where they all grew up together in this like little suburb in Indiana. And the young versions of these characters are played by Gabby Hoffman, Christina Ricci, Ashley Aston Moore and Thor Burch. And they ride bikes, they get into fights with the boys in the neighborhood, they learn things about their parents, they learn a ton about sex.

Not a ton actually, but they learn like the right amount for like 10 year olds who don't understand sex, which is like definitely what a man it was. The speech about the garden and watering the garden and the character learning what sex is just like really stayed with me for a very long time. And they fall in love and they learn things about themselves. And I have just seen this movie a lot.

I don't know why. I think I learned a lot about the music of the 60s and 70s from this soundtrack. And I realized when we were watching that like Gabby Hoffman will always be the age she was and how in them to me personally. That's just like who Gabby Hoffman is.

But yeah, it's about young girls making friends and growing up. It's a classic coming to age. Why did Leslie Linka-Gladder who made this movie not make any other movies? She made a couple of TV movies, she worked in a lot of television.

She did like all of Homeland. She did like all of Homeland. She segued to TV pretty heavy, which you know, that works out. Yeah, I'm sure it was very lucrative.

It's just weird because this is a movie that when I was talking to my wife about this last night and she said that she brought this movie up too. She was just like, this is a great summer movie. And obviously she, you guys around the same age, you're both young women when it came out. But still, like I watched it all the time.

This was an HBO classic as well in the 90s. It was very touchable on a regular basis. Yeah. And like the vision of, you know, they're all wearing those denim shorts that are just like just above the knee and kids and they're all on their bikes.

Like it, like this summer iconography, it's a very specific American summer iconography, but definitely just like looks like what I understand summer to be. Chris, as a teen boy, were you more in love with Gabby Hoffman, Thorro Burch, or Christina Ricci? I was definitely a Ricci guy. I knew you were going to say that.

So is Devin Sama. So it's okay. I don't know about any damn party what come on, Borla Summer's almost over. Let's get razz.

Cool. Come on. Yeah, he was born. My number five is a movie called Big Wednesday.

This is my pointy-headed movie nerd pick. I hope you guys will forgive that. It's a 1978 drama directed by John Millius, also co-written by John Millius. John Millius is sort of the, he's sort of the forgotten bro in the movie Bratz, Generation of Film Directors, which of course includes Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, Paul Schrader, Brian DePalma, George Lucas, this legendary cadre of guys who were living in California, New York, who became friends who obsessed over movies.

Millius was sort of the older brother figure in that group of people. And he was primarily a screenwriter in the early 70s. I think he also graduated from USC, like a handful of those guys. And he was a real man's man, a real macho kind guy.

He was fascinated by historical figures like Teddy Roosevelt. He was fascinated by war pictures. He was fascinated by the masculine impulse, which means that some of his movies are a bit much too absorbed in the year 2020. Big Wednesday is probably the most sensitive movie he ever made.

Really beautiful, fascinating tribute to surfing culture. And it's not necessarily the kind of endless summer style surfing movie that you might expect. It's not really a sports movie. It's not a competition movie, ultimately.

It's a movie about friendship. It's not unlike now in that. It's about three guys who are bonded over living in Malibu, riding waves, discovering who they are, finding out whether or not they're there for each other when things get very difficult. The movie stars three really interesting people, three really interesting phases of their life.

So, Jan Michael Vincent, who I think is kind of becoming lost to time now, who's a really just wonderful actor in the 70s and 80s who had a lot of personal struggles. And his character has a lot of personal struggles and kind of mirrors some of the things that Jan Michael Vincent went through. And then William Cat and Gary Busey, a very handsome Gary Busey, which is a little bit unnerving to see before he went full crazy eyed character actor in a lot of action movies that Chris loves. And it's just a very beautiful, delicate, kind of slow moving, elegant movie.

It's like watching the ocean, this movie. It's just so incredibly rendered. And it feels like in conversation with closing counters of the third kind and American graffiti and all the movies that those guys were making at that time. This was their most sentimental period, I think.

And it's just a it's a it's a portrait of I wish Millie has made more movies like this because he clearly has such an affinity and it clearly brings in peace as opposed to say, you know, Red Dawn, which he made six or seven years later, Conan the Barbarian. You know, these are the movies that Millie has gone on to make in the 1980s as movie business got more steroidal. But this is just a beautiful film. And so if you haven't seen Big Wednesday, I would encourage you to check it out.

Can I ask a follow up question? Of course. Are all surfing movies, summer movies? Hmm.

Well, well, is every Hawaii movie a summer movie? That's a great question. Yeah. So this is interesting.

I'm so glad we're talking about this because there's like a, you know, there's a literal definition to summer is like there's apparently a scientific definition for it. And there's like the season of summer in a time. And then there are like things that you do in summer and summer moods. And I think that I'm open to like things that you do in summer and summer moods.

And you know, I'm not a surfer because I'm afraid of waves, but I have like a real longing. I love surfing content because it seems like those guys who in extent are like it is the endless summer. They're always chasing that mood. So I would say yes for endless for summer.

But but that is because of the vibe. I don't think that you just get a pass to anything that has given past anything that has like summer related content. It's interesting. I in some ways feel like surfers.

They can't say shit about summer because their life is summer. Like summer is a reward. You know what I mean? Summer is a break.

And for surfers, that's like when I watch point break, I don't think of it as a summer movie. Although I saw it on a lot of lists on the internet of like best movies set in summer. I was like, is that I didn't even occur to be the point break was set in the summer, you know? Well, I was just going to say about the list of movies set in summer because I, you know, also Google them.

And there was another movie that was on every single list that was like this is the ultimate summer movie. You know, a movie that was? It's Greece. Oh, yeah.

Let me tell you something. Greece is not a summer movie. Like Greece is the Antifices of the Summer movie. And I understand that it starts with summer 11.

But do you know what day summer 11 is sung? It's on the first day of school. And then the whole movie goes to the last day of school. And Greece is about like not summer and the consequences of summer and longing for summer.

And so it's not a summer movie. But at least in my definition, I got very angry about that. But so I feel like, I don't know, I feel like if you're experiencing summer every day, then you've just like ascended to a higher plane. Like I think you can have summer all the time if you want to, or at least that's what I would like to believe because that's the only thing I'm living.

But maybe that's different person to person. I think that location complicates a lot of these questions. You know, if you live in Hawaii or in California or in the Caribbean or in Brazil, it's just warm there all the time. And so, you know, we're East Coasters.

You're from down South Amanda, but still like it got cold in Georgia. So you couldn't go surfing on December 19th. You know, so I think you also can't go surfing on December 19th in California. I mean, you can, but you have to wear a wetsuit.

One of the great disappointments of California is that it's not summer all year long. Just FYI. If you go further south, it might be. That's the thing.

We're just we're into the top of Southern California. Nevertheless, I think Chris generally speaking, yes. I think surfing movies are by definition summer movies. Yeah.

Okay. I don't know whether surfing movies on this list though, right? I don't think so. No.

I'm still waiting on the barbarian days adaptation of William Clinton again. I know I would watch that Netflix 10 episode series. However, the season they want to do that, I would do. I would love that.

Chris, what's your number four? Bull Durham. Top of the night, two out. One out of way from the stunning two hit shut up for the loose.

For the first 21 years of my life, I think baseball was the organizing principal of my summer, whether it was being a fan of it, playing it, playing in multiple teams throughout the summer through the end of my school year and then in neighborhood teams and traveling teams in Philly. He's looking for heat. I'm getting a deuce. Oh, no.

He's shaking off his side. Big mistake. This son of a bit just throwing a two hit shut up. He's shaking me off.

You believe that shit? Charlie? Here comes a deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

And then as I got a little bit older, and especially when I moved to Boston, I worked at a record store that was right not like next to but close to Fenway. And Red Sox traffic, both foot traffic and car traffic was like literally to find my life for the entirety of the Red Sox season because your entire life was based on will be busy because of a Red Sox game or you won't be able to get home because of a Red Sox game or we might as well get another beer because of this Red Sox game. I told him I was going to throw a deuce right. Yep.

I mean, I've got to get out of here and hurry. I mean, anything travels that far out of heaven, Tim Stewart is not it, don't you think? And in some ways, like I remember baseball teams that I've loved over the years, players and moments of baseball games as like the indelible moments of my summers. I think there are a lot of great baseball movies.

I don't think any baseball movie captures the way a baseball season is intertwined with summer the way Bould Durham does. And I don't think any, I don't want to go as far as a movie, but I think that Susan Sarandon and Kevin Costner's romance is the ultimate summer romance to me. Like the way it goes from spring to fall and this really natural kind of like language way, it gets really hot in the late summer and then it kind of falls apart a little bit in the fall. And yeah, the way in which those things kind of work together in this movie, and I think it's one of like the great, I don't know if you would call it a romantic comedy, but it's definitely one of like the great romantic movies as well as the great baseball movie.

And I think North Carolina Summer is just like, it really just radiates off the sidewalk. Chris, I just want to talk about Chris Ryan baseball player. Yeah, sure. Can you just like give us your the back of your baseball card, were you more of like a rangey Kevin Elster light hitting shortstop?

You would think your boy was a game manager from behind the plate. I was I was something of a pitcher whisperer. Cajor really like just kind of like kept guys in their head kept them playing their game. In my early days, I was a pretty ferocious line drive and in those days like a line drive could often be a home run.

So I was like a power guy, you know, and then when I turned 15, and really when I turned 14, a couple of guys in and around my league discovered off speed pitches and discovered curveballs. And I did not. I did not understand how the ball was coming at my head. And then it wasn't there anymore.

And that pretty much ended my baseball career as a player, as did a pretty brutal thumb injury and discovering that girls existed. So those those things all combined, maybe Rob does of like a of a really important MLB career, we can't really say, but yeah, you know, I left it all behind me for a life of letters. Yeah, I mean, podcasting is grateful for your extended trip to the DL. You're welcome.

You're welcome guys. Yeah. Amanda, what's your number four? I'm sorry.

I just I mean, I've heard the catcher stuff like a thousand times. So every time just really cracks me up. My number four, it has nothing to do with baseball. My number four is a is a European choice, sort of.

I mean, it's definitely said in Italy, it's a it's called me by your name. We rip out so much of ourselves to be cured of things faster. Then we go bankrupt by the age of 30. And I've list offer each time we start with someone new, but to make yourself feel nothing.

So it's not to feel anything. I waste. Which is a very beautiful summer love story and summer love stories go to waste. And I am without spoilers, my list has representations of both of them.

But this is the one where it's beautiful for what it is. And people learn things about themselves and then and then you're kind of heartbroken at the end, but in a nice way, in a in a in a in a art isn't love beautiful and and isn't the world full of possibilities type of way. This is obviously the 2017 adaptation by Luca Guadavino starring Timothy Chalamet and Armie Hammer. And it is in addition to being like the very classic coming of age love story.

It's also just like very sensual in all of its like life pleasures. It's set in Italy and I don't get to spend my summers in Italy, which you know, it's just one of the many sad circumstances of being a man in Davins. But it sure seems like they haven't figured out over there. But you know, from the images of the chocolate and moose cups at the dinner table and the like kind of lazy afternoons by the pool and the swimming and the like long bike rides, I was trying to pick a clip for Bobby to use in this podcast.

And it was pointless because like there's no speaking in a majority of these scenes. It's just like long camera pans of like this, you know, hazy, beautiful Italian countryside and you can feel the breeze and then like Armie Hammer is dancing, you know, without speaking for five minutes. So it like it it bokes the experience of a lazy summer and that longing and the, you know, the physical pleasures of many kinds that summer provides and really loved it. Shout out Armie Hammer and Timothy Chalamet.

How's Colby buy your name on rewatch? I don't think I've seen it since I saw it at peak peach. Yeah. What's it feel like to revisit it?

I found that it has, you can break it up into scenes. I mean, which is true of everything, right? And you're like, oh, you know, this is the nice one where they like just swim around in a pool for a while. It's definitely slow, which is part of the summerness of it.

Like, you know, I remember if you're when you're 15 or 16 or 17 and you suddenly have all this time and you know, hopefully you have a summer job or something to do. But like, you spend a lot of time being like, I don't have anything to do. And I don't know where to go. And I have all this time to fill.

And you can like, you can actually feel that time in the movie, which is why I think it's a good summer movie. I have, I don't think I've watched it in full since I rewatch it, which is maybe the other answer to your question. Yeah, it's a good pick though. I mean, again, I already mentioned my wife, but this would also definitely be on her list.

And I've talked in the past about her kitchen movies that she likes to put on, but not necessarily pay close attention to while she's in the kitchen. And this is definitely on the list because it's pure vibe. Like it's emotionally pulverizing and very literary, but it's also just the energy and the music, the way that it sounds, if you just turn and glance over your shoulder and look at what's on the screen, you know, it's just there's an energy in the movie. So it's a great pick.

My number four is a little different, but also about coming to me, it's called risky business. So your folks are going out of town tomorrow. I got the place of all of yourself. Yeah.

What the fuck? This is a 1983 film. It has a huge cultural reputation, but I think maybe isn't as understood now the way that it was when it was released. So this is an iconic Tom Cruise performance in this movie, which is written and directed by Paul Briffman, a guy who really did not go on to do very much more in Hollywood after this movie.

This is kind of his lone masterpiece. And it's essentially a satire of wealth and privilege and opportunity in Ronald Reagan's America. And it's probably best known for being a movie in which Tom Cruise dances to Bob Seeker in his underwear. It's a summer movie because it's about a guy essentially wiling away a summer in an empty house in the months before he's meant to go to college.

And what happens? He encounters a prostitute next to his friend, who's portrayed by Rebecca DeMornay. And then over time, his parents' home becomes a brothel. And that sounds like an outrageous absurd teen comedy from the 1980s, something closer to Porky's or Hot Dog in the movie.

But this is like an oddly subtle, beautiful, fascinating character study of people trying to figure out what they want to do with their life and whether or not they're taking advantage of the opportunities that they have. I would argue that even though it's almost 40 years old, it's still incredibly on point about a lot of the things even that we're talking about today in terms of who gets to do what and why, who gets to have good opportunities and who doesn't. And it also just features Cruise at the apex of his young charm. I mean, he is really so in the pocket of the Joel Goodson character and so perfectly cast.

And so winning, but also there's this slight kind of like smarmy menace that he has that I think is a little bit unnoted about Cruise at times. And it's just a fascinating movie to return to. I watched it again last night. And I really, much like Big Wednesday, it's surprisingly beautiful and artful and almost poetic at times, which I don't think is necessarily what people think about with risky business.

I'm actually surprised we haven't done this on a Rewatchable's Chris. This feels like it's in that zone that we've been hitting late. Yeah, I think it's definitely a movie where one scene has overshadowed the entire movie now, where people just think of the sunglasses and the slide across the floor and don't remember that it's about sex work. And so it's funny, I don't feel like this movie has gotten like the revival that some others have, but you're right, Sean, it actually feels more like like a Nicholas winning ref in movie at times than it does like a like one crazy summer or the sure thing or like a like a teen sex comedy.

Chris, what's your number three? My number three is Die Hard With A Vengeance. Down to M11. Don't be pleased to get up here quick.

Somebody's about to be killed. Get your butt in school. You hear me? All right.

It is the third film in the Die Hard series. It is set in New York City, the home of Detective John McLean, the cop in the first, obviously, the cop who stars in the most of the Die Hard movies, all the Die Hard movies. He is, you know, starts in LA, there's like Washington, DC, airport one in the second. Die Hard With A Vengeance is the second best movie in the series.

And it's in shouting distance of Die Hard which is one of the greatest action movies ever made. It is one of the great all in one day movies. It is one of the great New York City movies. And it is literally like the best hangover movie ever.

Anyone who has ever been hung over in New York in summer and watches Die Hard and is just like, oh my god, I need, I need some aspirin and a bacon, egg and cheese and a coffee, but I also need to throw up. And why am I wearing this shirt? Like it is perfect. And it's just an incredible game movie.

Basically, like the entire movie is the premise is that this guy Simon played by Jeremy Irons, who is related to Hans Gruber from the first film, Al Ricken's character, is playing a game with John, John McLean and making him do all these tasks throughout New York City. So it turns New York and the impossibility of navigating New York into a game board. And he is assisted throughout this with by this guy named Zeus played by Samuel Jackson in one of my favorite Samuel Jackson performances. And yeah, it's just like, it's just one of those movies where it's like, you kind of see New York in that moment where it's like, a lot of people have left the city, but it's still an active clusterfuck to get around.

And yeah, it's just no perfect one. It comes to be a New York summer movie. There was a bunch of these kinds of like crime in New York in the summer movies that I could have chosen dog days set in the summer. You know, there's a bunch of them, but Diarr with a vengeance is so rewatchable and it's it's like a summer tradition for me.

Love this movie. There's also, you know, that great story that this was a film that was originally called Simon Says and was not a John McLean story and had to be refashioned into the Die Hard franchise. And it usually when something like that happens, it really hurts the film. But in this case, I feel like it elevates it, you know, it's and I completely agree with you about Sam Jackson.

This is I think this is the first party book to have full fiction and he is on fire in this movie. And one of the reasons why Die Hard 2 doesn't work as well for me is because Bruce Willis doesn't really have anybody to counter punch with. And Sam Jackson is just on his hip the whole time and they fucking hate each other. And it's great.

It's just fantastic. It's a really, really good movie. Also opens with the love and spoonful summer in the city. Yeah, which I almost was going to disqualify for.

I feel like any summer movie that uses summer in the city is kind of cheating. But I'll allow it here. Well, it just has that like bang on intro where it uses that song and you hear like 10 seconds of it and you think it's going to be this kind of like cliche New York in the summer movie and then a massive explosion happens. Yeah.

That's us off. And it's just so brilliant. Okay, Amanda, what's your number three? My number three takes place east of New York City in what I think has to be the number one beach house of movies, but possibly of all time.

I mean, I can't say that I've seen all the beach houses of love too. If you've got a beach house and you have, you know, once COVID is all squared away, I'd love to come to it to be able to make a definitive proclamation. But for now, it's the beach house and something's got to give directed by Nancy Myers, who is very important to me and to many people I think interested in houses if not in summer. And adult love.

And adult love, that's really important. So yeah, I was going to talk about this. Now, I know I talked to a big game about Greece not being said in the summer and I rewatched a lot of something's got to give. And I think, you know, it's definitely at the beach and they make a joke about how Diane Keaton's character wears turtlenecks, even when it's warm.

So I do think like it's a summer mood and a summer setting, but I'm not 100% certain that it's happening between the months of June and September. And quite frankly, it's set in the heptons and the Hampton seems like a little empty for it to be primed summer season. So I want everyone to know I'm conscious of the rules, but something's got to give is a summer movie to me and that it is about people finding love in circumstances that they wouldn't normally. It's obviously if you haven't seen it, it starts Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson and Keanu Reeves.

And Jack Nicholson is like a toxic bachelor type standard for him who winds up in Diane Keaton's beach home because he was dating her daughter played by Amanda Pete, my wife Amanda Pete. And Amanda Pete leaves because she has to like go do her southerly or whatever. And maybe it's Christie's not really sure what a two-minute process. You know, they don't really specify.

She's very nervous about it. And so, and Jack Nicholson also has a heart attack while they are almost have sex, but they don't have sex crucial plot point. So then Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson are in this beach house together and for an extended period of time. And they're both like, Diane Keaton's a play around and she's still working and I believe Jack Nicholson is still working, but you know, they've reached a point in their careers where it's not the daily grind and it has that kind of like, we're sort of on vacation and we're here in unusual circumstances together and we're like learning things about ourselves because we have a little more time than we normally would.

And we're in a setting that we aren't normally in, which is in this case, the beach house. And then, you know, life lessons and love ensue. And I think it is also really nice because as Chris pointed out, it's older people falling in love and older people enjoying summer and most of my summer movies are about kids discover and learning things and experiencing summer, but I just really need to believe that summer is possible for old people too. So thank you, Nancy Myers and something's got to give.

Amanda, you are definitively not in your late 50s or early 60s. So this is a fascinating corner to stake out. I just had something to have something to forward to. I'm in the middle.

We got ten of coming out. It's a beautiful beach day and I'm here on Zoom with you guys. So, you know, I just need to know that at some point I might have access to a beach house and Keanu Reeves asking me out on a date, which by the way, for the record, I agree with all the people on the internet who thinks that she should pick Keanu Reeves. It's insane.

She should have picked Keanu Reeves, but that's okay. He's doing okay. Spoken like a trumillennial, not understanding Jack's appeal. I do, but I also understand Keanu Reeves' appeal.

Yeah, this is, I think this is Nancy Myers's best looking movie. And it's probably not a mistake that it's shot by Michael Ballhouse, who shot Goodfellas and show. Making about shots, dog. That's what we do here.

That's what we do. He also shot Working Girl, if that makes Amanda feel any better about this conversation, you know? Yes, it's a shot of fucking Goodfellas. Yeah, he shot broadcast news.

That's like one of the guys. That's one of my guys. So, it's great. It's a good meeting of our interests.

It's a great pick. Okay, I should do my number three. My number three is perhaps not as sophisticated as some of the picks that have come before, but it's a movie that I love. It's called Summer School.

Branches, rip. Oh, no, recall me that. The name is Chainsaw. President Black and Becker?

That's Antexis Massacre. Oh, no, that's right here. They got fire. They have a house?

This is a comedy that is directed by the great late Carl Reiner, and it is a movie speaking of movies that were on all the Dan Time in my house growing up. This movie was on Paycable every day of every summer, of the ages of like six to 13 for me. It's a, you know, it's probably not like a super well-remembered 1987 comedy starring Mark Harmon. We've talked about market correction before.

You know, Mark Harmon has gone into a very lucrative career as the star of some CBS series who's named I'm not familiar with, but he was- And CIS. And CIS. Thank you, Chris. You're a big fan of that show.

He was really like in conversation with Gutenberg, with Keaton, with Hanks, with the Lords of the 1980s. You know, he really had a chance to get in there and he missed a shot. This is one of the rare kind of starring roles that he had. This is a very goofy and very fun movie that I think is fairly accurate to a certain kind of screw ball high school experience.

It's obviously set in a summer school, a teacher, Mr. Shoop, that Harmon Play is, is, is set by all of these, I don't know, fail kids, really. A bunch of children that he has to teach. Islander's good toys.

Yeah. Yeah. And incredible cast Courtney Thornsmith is in this movie. Shawnee Smith, who you don't remember from a lot of 80s movies, Dean Cameron is iconic in this film.

It's a character named Chainsaw. There's two guys, Chainsaw and his pal, Dave, are obsessed with horror movies and they're obsessed with the practical effects that you would find in 1980s horror movies, like the Friday the 13th movies are the thing. And so there's a recurring theme throughout the movie of these guys constantly playing pranks that feature practical horror effects on all of their classmates. It's like an absurd comedy, but this is also from the guy who made the jerk and who was a significant part of the Dick Van Dyke show who understands the rhythms and shape of really good, familiar, flowing comedy.

And also re-watch some of this movie last night. It was just immediately teleported back to my adolescence, which was not always a great place to be. But sometimes it was good when summer school was on. Also features, Peek, Cures the Alley, 1987 Cures the Alley, who was someone who I think had lost the time a bit in the cultural conversation.

But she was right at the height of Cheers, right as a intellectual love interest. She seemed like a lot of fun. Yeah. I would put summer school in a group of movies that is, I think different people might have in the different order, but there's this really huge group of movies that are 80s summer comedies that were just on constantly if you had early cable and that would be great outdoors, meatballs, one crazy summer, National Lampoon's Vacation obviously would be a huge one.

But yeah, these were just like, oh, weekend at Bernie's, which I even thought possibly putting on my list. But the first hour of week out of Bernie's is actually pretty funny and is a pretty funny idea about these two Schmedrix trying to get out of New York and go to the Hamptons and then they get there and their bosses dead. So yeah, it was a, that was a big mood with these comedies. Yeah.

And then 20 years later, we get what How to American Summer, which is essentially like the peak parody of all of these movies, the Loving O'Mosh, all of these movies. So, you know, in the same way that I think Bull Durham is a stand-in for all the great baseball movies that remind us of Summer League of their own or the Sandlot or anything like that. I think of summer school as the stand-in for all the movies that you're describing, some of which are good, some of which are terrible, but all of which I think provide the same kind of warm and fuzzy feeling for me. The good news about number two is that we all agreed on number two.

And it was fairly unanimous. I think we all probably wanted to claim ownership, so we agree that we should share it. Amanda, what's number two? Number two is do the right thing, which should be number one.

It is not only one of the great summer movies of all time and it's just like one of the great movies. And I always feel as Chris was alluding at the beginning of this podcast, I always feel a little silly when we do these genre exercises. And then you just put like a stone cold, like classic at number two or four. And I'm like, I'm going to have to argue that another movie is better than do the right thing in a minute.

And I know that it's not. I just said I heard it with a vengeance is better than Windows, so it's okay. We're all doing our best with these made up rules. But do the right thing for me is the example of what happens when you like everyone is outside and out in the world and interacting with people.

And that can have really dramatic and often tragic results. And it to me is like the ultimate New York City summer movie. That's what I think of. And I also think in terms of just like communicating the actual physical experience of heat and what that does to people and how people experience that.

But actually watching it, you can feel both the temperature and kind of the emotions rising in response to the temperature. And that is certainly a part of summer and an essential part of summer movies. I think of I just think of the sweat index on a lot of these movies. And this is the most visceral, I think of the summer movies, or you can tell that people are just hot.

It is very hot on that day in Brooklyn. I was going to say that one of the people that we should congratulate on making us feel that way aside from Spike Lee, who's obviously the author of one of the stars of this movie is Ernest Dickerson, who's the director of photography, hashtag shots, hashtag love cameras. I've recommended this movie a bunch of times on bunch of podcasts. But if you haven't seen it, there's a documentary about cinematography called Visions of Light.

The first voice I think you hear in Visions of Light is Ernest Dickerson. He's talking about David Lean's Oliver Twist and how that was a very formative experience to see that. But later on in Visions of Light, Dickerson talks about how they made Brooklyn Seam Hot and how they used color, especially red, in terms of putting red paint on walls, like where Ozzy Davis's character is sitting outside and making it like so that everything just kind of radiated. And there's a lot of really, really deep artistry to this movie in terms of making you feel certain ways at certain times throughout the day.

And I mean, we could talk endlessly about do the right thing, but I just wanted to shout out that particular aspect about it. It's a beautiful movie. I think the thing is, we're not saying that our number ones are better than do the right thing. I think as evocations of summertime movies, we're just putting them in context of conversation.

And you know what? Our top five's, they change every day. So if you and I, Amanda and Chris, we're going to record this podcast tomorrow, maybe meatballs would be number one for me, you know, who can tell? Yeah, but like, I know what your number one is.

And while like, it's not as embarrassing to argue that number one is like, your number one is overdue the right thing. And I don't think mine, well, I don't know, I do the right thing is one of the greatest films of Americans in the month. So, you know, like lists are weird. Total master piece and we're not just marching about making a part of this conversation.

We are celebrating it. Now, Chris, what is your number one that is definitely not as good as do the right thing? My number one, not as good as do the right thing, not as good as days and confused. I don't, you know, like there's a lot of like, you could just make this argument against a bunch of different movies.

This is a very personal pick for some reason. I really responded to this movie. It's Adventure Land. I'm gonna know you right now.

Oh, really? Oh, let's go. Maybe I'll run into you on the streets of NYC. Are you studying journalism?

Yeah, I want to be like a tribalist, but I want to report on the real state of the world, you know, like Charles Dickens, for example, wrote what you might call travel books, but he visited prisons and mental assignments. That's cool. Yeah, is it? Yeah.

Okay. No, I guess it's, but why do you have to go to grad school for that? Sorry, Jazzy Eisenberg and Chris Stewart and Ryan Reynolds and a huge deep bench of an ensemble. It is shot during the winter.

So I would say that you actually can tell that like there are obvious like, slate-grace guys, it's shot outside Pittsburgh and in Pittsburgh. You can see that it is, it is like not summer. Summer is a state of mind in this movie. It's about a guy who comes back from graduating college thinks he's going to go to Europe for a few weeks with his friends, turns out his dad loses his job or gets demoted at his job so they can't afford to send him.

So he has to get a summer gig. He is a like a romantic literature major, so does not have a lot of marketable skills and winds getting a job at an amusement park called Adventure Land. It's a run by Bill Hader and Kristen Wig. And the movie is about the summer he spends working at this park with people like Martin Starr and you know, just kind of smoking pot, listening to big star in Whosgar Du falling in love with Kristen Stewart and also having like a relationship with Lisa P who's this kind of disco dancing starlet who's also like working at the park inexplicably.

It perfectly captures that moment where you're just like, well, I guess I'm just going to hit pause on my life for three months, which happened, you know, I think it's like a luxury but is also a pretty universally felt feeling. And it also, I think captures a lot of the melancholy of what can happen during summer. There's a lot of like staring out of the windows of cars and listening to music and summer's great but summer can also be kind of boring and a little bit sad at times. And I just love the way this movie captures that.

I would put it in the same category with days and confused as like an evocation of coming of age, just like a different age. And it has one of the best soundtracks in the history of movies, if you ask me. Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies ever made. I grew up 10 minutes from the real adventure lands, which is in Farmington, Long Island, not in Pennsylvania as this movie suggests.

Greg Matola is from my hometown. This is also Eisenberg and Kristen Stewart right before the explosion. It's right before Zombie Land in the social network for Eisenberg and it's right before the first Twilight movie for Kristen Stewart. And so in a way, it is almost like it is their adolescence.

It is their summer break. It is before they go away to college and become mega stars and he's very almost iconic film actors for the next 10 years. It's also I think before Ryan Reynolds goes fully met a self-aware Deadpool and is actually just like I'm just gonna play out like a hot guy who's like the mechanic at this amusement park and he's fucking great in it. There's not like a false note really in this movie.

Amanda, what's your number one? My number one is a little film called 30 Dancing. Go go. What are you doing here?

Can't go me. Take the me. I can't wait to watch him now. Can't wait to watch him.

Wait, it has to be said. It has had to be. And as you guys were talking about Adventure Land, which is a movie I quite like, but it's also one of my husband's favorite movies and I bring that up just to say it is about the Jesy Eisenberg character and I do think that there is a young man trying to sort out his life and that many men and women relate to. But dirty dancing is about a young woman trying to learn things about her life and the world outside of her life and dealing with her family and dealing with the power of dance and Patrick's crazy.

And to me it is a total classic. I was reflecting about how we don't, I don't think we have any camp movies on our list between the three of us. In my case, that was intentional because I hated camp. Some real only child stuff there don't tell me what to do.

Summer is about me having time for myself, not me doing your arts and crafts and you're like, you know, canoeing or whatever. So I didn't know her like camp, but I know that it's essential for a lot of people. And 30 Dancing is like camp for families, right? It's set at a resort in the Catsgales in the early 60s and baby played by Jennifer Gray goes with her family.

And she's on the press base of a lot of things and is kind of stuck there and then becomes entangled literally with Patrick Swayze, who is the dance instructor there. And she gets swept up kind of in the world of the camp and working with the, she discovers like the staff cabin and the staff parties and discovers like the how the resort works and things about her dad, her sister, herself. And then she just also dances so much. And guys, Patrick Swayze in this movie is just like, it's still, I find it hard to put words around it.

And you know, there is a real learning about sex, a theme to all of my picks and just watching Patrick Swayze dance in this movie is like possibly how I learned about sex. I'm not really sure. And just like, it's astonishing. And it's definitely how baby learns about sex.

And that's an important part of summer is definitely important part of my summer. So congratulations to Dirty Dancing, which I so flesh when I watch. That's it. Congratulations to the face.

Chris, could you speak a little bit about what you learned about sex from Patrick Swayze? Actually, I got to say I had a pretty formative day experience. I got dumped in, I think, sixth grade after seeing ghost. Really?

Yeah. I took a girl in a date to ghost and then she was like, I just want to be friends. Would you say you got ghosted? I mean, in a way, yeah, I mean, not to put a point on it, fantasy.

It's a sense of subject for me. At least at that time, you were still. It started by lifelong love of pottery though. That's the thing.

Well, I was actually just going to say like, because I think I remember seeing ghost and specifically the pottery scene of being like, what's going on here? And doesn't have something to do with sex? And like Patrick Swayze has met a four for sex is like, apparently all the sex said that I got as a young child. So I got, thank you to him, I suppose, and to pottery.

The other thing about the ghost scene, which has nothing to do with summer movies, but have you guys ever done ceramics? Yeah. Like on the wheel, it, yeah, you have it. Ceramics are like really hard and you have to like actually like really like press the clay.

It's like a very like physical, you know, which is a metaphor in its own way, but it just, I really don't think that the ghost scene is accurate. It would be like very hard to do that and to make a piece of pottery like that. But anyway, I think it would also be hard to dance like Patrick Swayze does in Dirty Dancing. And I still, it's all I hope for in life.

Whenever I watch that movie, I always feel completely demoralized about my absolute lack of upper body strength. You know, Patrick Swayze is like a power lifter, but for ballet, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah.

Before we get to my number one, which I think is kind of a shared number one, we all want to talk about this movie. Are there any other kind of honorable mentions that you guys want to hit so that you don't get yelled out on Twitter? I would like to give an honorable mention and maybe some sort of special award to a person who I think subtly is actually the greatest purveyor of summer content that we have. And that is Bill Murray.

Did you know that Bill Murray was in what about Bob? Quick change, Catty Shack, Meatballs, Moonrise Kingdom, and Ghostbusters. All summer movies, all movies set in the summer. That guy must have like, do you think he's like, let's shoot in the summer and then I'm gonna go play golf for nine months?

Like what is the deal with Bill Murray being in summer movies? I don't know. It's a great call. Bill Murray is just absolute best.

You know, I think he was probably way ahead on the Adam Sandler. I want to go to a nice place with my family strategy. And he knew, like let's just get to a warm climb and we'll just find out. All these movies are like half of these movies are in New York and they're about being miserable in New York in the summer.

Yeah, that's true. He is a patron saint of summer though. I mean, what about you guys, some honorable mentions? Yeah, I have a lot actually.

So the talent and Mr. Ripley, Chris and I talked about this. No disrespect. I want people to understand how much the talent and Mr.

Ripley still means to me as a film, as a comment on how people can't trust them and also just Mediterranean aspirations. It's like really there. And I do think it technically happens in the summer because you can't really argue with the green speedo, but people also get murdered. That's not really what I'm hoping for, like, you know, all of the time.

And also we talked about it a lot and that's really the reason I didn't put on the list because we did a whole re-bodules about it and I bring it up every time. Some other classics, the notebook. I kind of chickened out at the last minute and took the notebook off because it is similar to the dirty dancing and that it's like people are flung together in a summer resort environment and then, you know, various obstacles are in their way and then they find true love. I don't think we talk about how great the notebook is and particularly the Ryan guys like Rachel McAdams scenes, which are all like a summer romance just all the time.

I will find a way to talk about this movie at greater length at some point. Speaking of Nancy Myers, the parent trap 1998 version took some points off for camp, but if you like camp, one of the great movies, one of the great Lindsey Lohan performances in my opinion. We talked about a League of their Own and the Stan Lott, which I loved. And Mamma Mia, which is just, I would like to go to Greece right now.

I've been thinking so much about the trip to Greece just from a standpoint of let me Google Greek locations and then see whether I could also go to Greece. And that was apparently the animating philosophy behind making the movie Mamma Mia and congratulations to everyone who got to spend a summer on a Greek island. I would like to and also the ending of Mamma Mia, not the ending, but like the climactic scene when Meryl Streep just like screams the winner takes it all, it appears Brosnan for like the length of the winner takes it all, which is like a beautiful church on a cliff in the background. Sometimes it's amazing what movies can provide for you.

And that's quite a scene. So that's my list. A lot. I really like Summer is what it comes down to.

I also want to just throw in, since Amanda has been besmirching summer camp, I will, to add to her case again, Summer Camp, the first three Friday, the thirteenth movies. Those are great. The first one's pretty like, nakedly anti-sex is just like if you fuck this person will cut you to pieces. But the Steve Minor ones that come after that are really like kind of fun summer movies to me.

Two and three are good. Two is good. I just watched one, two and three a couple of months ago during quarantine. And one is nuts.