EPISODE · Dec 16, 2025 · 1H 29M
TP16: Bridgespan VC 💰| Employee Stock Option Financing 🫴| Oracle Stock 📉 | Waymo Valuation 🏎️
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Episode 16 of the TradingPlacesPod featuring Adrien Gautier of Bridgespan VC is out now!This week: Oracle's debt crisis sends shockwaves through AI infrastructure stocks, the IPO market heats up for 2026 with SpaceX, OpenAI & Anthropic eyeing historic exits, and Adrien Gautier reveals how Bridgespan's unique employee stock option financing strategy gets them 30-70% discounts vs. preferred share pricing 💰Welcome to Trading Places, the extremely terrible, very bad podcast on VC, secondaries, and all things tech. Hosts Dave McClure and Aman Verjee break down market volatility, the Fed's rate cut uncertainty, Oracle's leverage problem, and the explosive IPO pipeline for 2026—before diving deep with Adrien Gautier on how employee stock option financing creates a capital-efficient secondary strategy with built-in downside protection.In Valuation Corner, the team tackles the autonomous vehicle wars: Waymo vs. Tesla vs. the rest of the auto industry, exploring whether software-first companies deserve their premium valuations and why traditional OEMs can't catch up.[ TIMESTAMPS ]00:00 – cold open00:53 – [ tech & vc news ]01:15 – Oracle’s bad week 06:09 – 2026 IPO market 11:49 – SpaceX IPO update 13:15 – Wealthfront flat IPO 14:56 – Medline $55B valuation 22:51 – Boom Supersonic raises $300M 23:49 – Goldman Sachs invests in Harness at $5.5B25:19 – New fed chair & rate cuts 30:44 – Invest Act coming soon 33:07 – China rejects US Nvidia H200s 35:43 – [ interview: adrien gautier / bridgespan ]36:12 – Bridgespan VC focus 42:15 – tender offers 43:24 – when can companies IPO 46:16 – EquityBee partnership 47:54 – portfolio management strategy 1:12:45 – [ val corner: waymo @ $45B ]01:28:29 – second takesLINKS[ trading places podcast ] www.linktr.ee/tradingplacespod[ adrien gautier ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriengautier[ bridgespan ] https://www.bridgespanvc.com[ aman verjee ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/aman-verjee | https://x.com/amanverjee[ dave mcclure ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/davemcclure | https://x.com/davemcclurePOD HIGHLIGHTS THIS WEEK:-Oracle's leverage trap: 500% debt-to-equity ratio means a 50% drop in enterprise value = 60% equity wipeout. Credit default swaps hit highest since 2008-2026 = IPO supercycle: SpaceX ($800B), OpenAI ($500B), Anthropic ($350B) could each break Alibaba's $25B IPO record-Bridgespan's edge: Employee stock option financing gets 50-70% discounts vs. latest preferred rounds—with non-recourse downside protection-6 exits in year 1: Bridgespan's Fund I generated DPI from 36 investments, with Firefly Aerospace delivering 10x in 60 days-Disney + OpenAI = new playbook: Characters licensed to Sora (minus voices)—Ursula's contract confirmed-Fed uncertainty: Only 8-10 of 12 voters likely support December rate cut; jobs data showing negative growth 3 of last 5 months-Invest Act passes: House approves 49% secondary cap for VC funds (up from 20%), 250→500 LP limit, $10M→$50M emerging manager threshold-Tender offer trends: Now standard for companies $10B+ with $100M+ revenue—Bridgespan's primary exit strategy alongside IPOs-Autonomous driving wars: Tesla/Waymo trade at 15x revenue; GM/Ford at 0.5x. Software is better than hardware. Helm.ai aims to democratize FSD for legacy OEMs-Adrien's wisdom: "If you don't like the public market valuation 6 months post-IPO, we may hedge. But our strategy? 1) sell at lockup 2) return capital to LPs 3) repeat."#davemcclure #tradingplacespodcast #venturecapital #secondarymarket #bridgespan #employeestockoptions #tradingplacespod #IPOmarket #SpaceX #OpenAI #Anthropic #Oracle #AIbubble #Waymo #Tesla #autonomousdriving #tenderoffer #VCfundraising #InvestAct #Firefly #equityB #Helm #EmploymentRate #BLS
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Episode 16 of the TradingPlacesPod featuring Adrien Gautier of Bridgespan VC is out now!This week: Oracle's debt crisis sends shockwaves through AI infrastructure stocks, the IPO market heats up for 2026 with SpaceX, OpenAI & Anthropic eyeing historic exits, and Adrien Gautier reveals how Bridgespan's unique employee stock option financing strategy gets them 30-70% discounts vs. preferred share pricing 💰Welcome to Trading Places, the extremely terrible, very bad podcast on VC, secondaries, and all things tech. Hosts Dave McClure and Aman Verjee break down market volatility, the Fed's rate cut uncertainty, Oracle's leverage problem, and the explosive IPO pipeline for 2026—before diving deep with Adrien Gautier on how employee stock option financing creates a capital-efficient secondary strategy with built-in downside protection.In Valuation Corner, the team tackles the autonomous vehicle wars: Waymo vs. Tesla vs. the rest of the auto industry, exploring whether software-first companies deserve their premium valuations and why traditional OEMs can't catch up.[ TIMESTAMPS ]00:00 – cold open00:53 – [ tech & vc news ]01:15 – Oracle’s bad week 06:09 – 2026 IPO market 11:49 – SpaceX IPO update 13:15 – Wealthfront flat IPO 14:56 – Medline $55B valuation 22:51 – Boom Supersonic raises $300M 23:49 – Goldman Sachs invests in Harness at $5.5B25:19 – New fed chair & rate cuts 30:44 – Invest Act coming soon 33:07 – China rejects US Nvidia H200s 35:43 – [ interview: adrien gautier / bridgespan ]36:12 – Bridgespan VC focus 42:15 – tender offers 43:24 – when can companies IPO 46:16 – EquityBee partnership 47:54 – portfolio management strategy 1:12:45 – [ val corner: waymo @ $45B ]01:28:29 – second takesLINKS[ trading places podcast ] www.linktr.ee/tradingplacespod[ adrien gautier ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriengautier[ bridgespan ] https://www.bridgespanvc.com[ aman verjee ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/aman-verjee | https://x.com/amanverjee[ dave mcclure ] https://www.linkedin.com/in/davemcclure | https://x.com/davemcclurePOD HIGHLIGHTS THIS WEEK:-Oracle's leverage trap: 500% debt-to-equity ratio means a 50% drop in enterprise value = 60% equity wipeout. Credit default swaps hit highest since 2008-2026 = IPO supercycle: SpaceX ($800B), OpenAI ($500B), Anthropic ($350B) could each break Alibaba's $25B IPO record-Bridgespan's edge: Employee stock option financing gets 50-70% discounts vs. latest preferred rounds—with non-recourse downside protection-6 exits in year 1: Bridgespan's Fund I generated DPI from 36 investments, with Firefly Aerospace delivering 10x in 60 days-Disney + OpenAI = new playbook: Characters licensed to Sora (minus voices)—Ursula's contract confirmed-Fed uncertainty: Only 8-10 of 12 voters likely support December rate cut; jobs data showing negative growth 3 of last 5 months-Invest Act passes: House approves 49% secondary cap for VC funds (up from 20%), 250→500 LP limit, $10M→$50M emerging manager threshold-Tender offer trends: Now standard for companies $10B+ with $100M+ revenue—Bridgespan's primary exit strategy alongside IPOs-Autonomous driving wars: Tesla/Waymo trade at 15x revenue; GM/Ford at 0.5x. Software is better than hardware. Helm.ai aims to democratize FSD for legacy OEMs-Adrien's wisdom: "If you don't like the public market valuation 6 months post-IPO, we may hedge. But our strategy? 1) sell at lockup 2) return capital to LPs 3) repeat."#davemcclure #tradingplacespodcast #venturecapital #secondarymarket #bridgespan #employeestockoptions #tradingplacespod #IPOmarket #SpaceX #OpenAI #Anthropic #Oracle #AIbubble #Waymo #Tesla #autonomousdriving #tenderoffer #VCfundraising #InvestAct #Firefly #equityB #Helm #EmploymentRate #BLS
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