And now the locals. Welcome to the locals back at on Friday December 16th December 16th that means December 15th was yesterday Which means almost 90% of the league is now trade eligible which means it's trade season and Bobby marks is on board today to help guide us through the larger league landscape as we enter everybody's favorite party on the eight season trade season Because we're so basketball all about trade to the fantasy. Now Bobby marks. How are you?
Hello Zack? How are you? Good? Deal with well the Brooklyn's last New Jersey nets 2010 trade is 2019 2015 2010 still the last time a December 15th trade that was the infamous Terrence Williams trade So we are 12 years since there's been a deal on December 15th.
So why am I better trade two first-time pictures? That's a good trade rocket straight away, right? Yeah, I always do that. I don't know.
He doesn't appreciate what I did about that. So I'm sure he could argue his way out of that being a bad trade somehow you guys some he's got some some argument in his brain We have to start with the news though which couldn't impact trade season that Stephen Curry of the 14 and 15 Golden State warriors is out Four quote according to Walsh a few weeks with a shoulder injury Again, the Warriors are 14 and 15. They would be in the play tournament barely by the skin of their teeth after winning the title last year And for the million consecutive year. They're offense stinks without stuff Curry this is a problem.
Even when they had Kevin to make their offensive fall off a cliff without Steph Curry with step on the floor There's going 119 points for 100 positions. That's better than the Celtics offense and allowing 112 plus seven 200 percent that's very good without Steph. They're offense lost in 99.9 I could round up and say 100 to people like 99.9 Sounds like I'm worth your problems. They're going 99.9 and one 11 allowed so minus 11 plus seven with stuff on the floor Minus 11 with stuff off the floor.
That's no bueno. They're upcoming schedule is tough. They have four straight road games now Against Eastern Conference playoff teams are play off the play off the play off the next hour now play off Whole steps MSG game off the schedule for stuff that's things that's always a highlight then they have depending on how long you got They have another road trip in mid January and of course a whole game much anticipated against the Grizzlies Freaking Grizzlies by the way. Holy smokes just absolutely eviscerated the box last night on national TV back in on Christmas You know a few weeks if a few weeks means three weeks Bobby That's 10 games We all tend to get doom and gloom about a star player being injured and kind of forget in the moment how adaptable NBA teams are and despite the fact that I just read all these horrible numbers about how bad the Warriors are without curry It's one thing to try to survive 15 minutes with curry on the bench in game and another to know going into the game Steph Curry won't be playing in it reconstructing your entire rotation Jordan pool always plays better as a starter than he does off the bench We can come back that's been a sneaky loss for them.
You should be back pretty soon I think you know if this is 10 12 games I think it's one of those things where we all fret now and then it's like oh they actually went six and six and they're fine If this is 20 games, I think it becomes a little bit worrisome for the Warriors Who of course have been trying to cobble together a bench rotation even with stuff and they kind of found something with this even Genzo coming to lay on the tree off the bench surrounded by various starters including Dreymont what's your concern level and It's early, but does this change your understanding of how the Warriors will approach the next two months straight Why is it gonna have all these young guys? They all pick to the Grizzlies, but they've got other picks to deal Well, let's say you yeah, I mean, it's got a little bit of I guess the 2021 deja vu feeling for me That was the year they lost to Memphis and plan I believe the year before was when I made the Wiggins trade at the deadline in And COVID hit and you know, they were not in the bubble here, but I just look at the Western conversation I mean, there's so much there's so much parity here. Right nobody's running around running away with it We talked about New Orleans. How well they go into Utah these two games, right?
You know Denver hang around Utah who knows what happens with them on the trade deadline? There's 17 14 other Friday here the Lakers are in the back like so I think as long as they stay at that if they play, you know, what if it's well games if they're 500 I think it'll give them a chance to jump back into the top six here because you don't know what you're gonna get from the Clippers Right like you get like said a great example like they're the ultimate science experiment, right? Like one injury their injury report last night for that was a national TV game right? Clipper song V it's like What are we doing here?
Why are all these dudes out like oh, I find he's recovering for injury after bench is also I like what why are I think they think that I don't I can't okay? Well, and there's guys who are so top heavy too like I think they're like they have 60 games before like y'all start break I want to say and then it kind of a lesson that so I do think that as long as they don't go in a two for two in 10 And we're really going to see if that's scheduled We'll kind of be allow them to kind of or to stand in a lot of the hand that they would you know you go through Bombier track record to like outside of the Wiggins Russell trade like they don't make in season trades, right? Like and now for them there you know what they're assets all right there Cool camp basically can't be traded because of poison pill we can't be traded unlikely anything with humsen and I mean yeah, so you're basically you do want to sell low like on wise right like you want to sell low on wise Then the sea of heat and bring back one or two players like that's kind of the big thing for me I don't mean Camina I would you know I'm feeling so good right now about my Jonathan Camina stock I like a fool on this podcast like a year ago fell in love with Jonathan Camina said that if I were by Myers and the lake Whoever else is making decisions there. I wouldn't lose a week asleep over drafting Camina over Franz Wagner and Boy that was dumb like Franz Wagner is amazing, but I just but coming those starting to figure some things out It's a great last couple weeks and his athleticism is just so tantalizing that does not make me right The Warriors are crying right now.
That'd be very good for them But I do like to think I think to your point his recent stretch has played him into We're only including him as part of the trade for a star status and I don't think that trade exists for them right now No, I don't think I don't know if they exist for anybody right now as far as that all star I mean that might change from February, but it's basically if they're not want to do something to be centered on wise I mean that's that's the reality of it and if got you know the omen of this a pick In 24 they've got a bunch they can still move if they want but you know as I said You're going to basically cut ties and but the value is I mean I've heard you guys talk about names guys Like you know Kelly Lynn right like those are your kind of names, you know those guys in that's 10 to 12 to 10 to $12 million I can come in help right now, but like we'll probably off your roster in two years. Yeah I think they already live the Kelly You know everyone and a lot of people equating me have mentioned perdle a wise and perdle swap It makes sense for both teams and then what I think about it in the more I watch them play Okay, so loony's gonna give you 20 minutes again in the playoffs. Loony never misses anymore It's like to be an ironies a cow working. I know yeah that that's 20 minutes I'm not sure trading wiseman for a center who can't shoot.
Oh, like a different story because it should give you a more flexibility I'm not sure that really makes sense and then you start looking around like who all the sellers are new their teams are who they're available That's all right. It's like I don't really know I'm PJ Washington Kind of interesting for the words I mentioned him like his Alex Brooks moving the needle I love how I like where so they got so many guards on this team You know people love to like Caruso to them if the Bulls ever blow it up and hope in the holes around your five Well, so just a team's list. Um, and he just does seem like a warrior They just have so many guards and also what I'm gonna talk about the fact that Caruso is much everybody loves and doors He never shoots no he's used to rate is 10% he's shooting like three two point shots per 36 minutes I understand the context of who's playing with all that he never gets to the line like what did Alex Cruzo become guard DJ Tucker and why are we all just okay with that? Yeah, there's a lot of one three nights I'm like 33 minutes Yeah, like I won three four rebounds couple of cysts couple, you know other good things, but yeah, that if you're relying on his as your Azure sure yeah, I don't know what the I would say though I know they lost the night in Indiana that was gonna carry a hurt and green up thrown out of by was encouraged Because they played better and that was fourth or where they kind of made that run thing that cut it through for What the younger you know the Moody's the coming as those type of group?
I don't think they played that game. You did not back up. So that group without carrying green I thought played better. I know it was a loss and you're down by a ton But if you're not that's what your effort gonna be then yeah, they'll be in your fair share, you know You just gotta be teams supposed to be in after this road trip around they do the home for you know Extended an extended period there.
I can't remember being dis confused by a team with this level of historical pedigree The Warriors are one game under 500 were 29 games into the season They're starting five is still one of the best line up to all the basketball They're bench once they sort of reach over the rotation had this stretch of competency mostly because of defense and probably some lucky The opponent shooting and yet there's still one game under 500 and they have these losses to like bad teams I just I don't really understand this is now beyond to me like what we're a flip the switch championship Hangover team something is just weird about their team I still ultimately think they'll figure it out and you know someone An executive on another team told me that's really like they could be the AC to the West in the law consider the favorites It's a Western conflict. I could even maybe that's true But and again, I know the trades that I just went through are like seismic trades on this strange It's just a strange brew right there. Right. I think the Boston game last Saturday, right?
Like you're gonna hang around You're gonna probably hang around on that Boston game a little bit That's why they are and they are as a great win With losses to bad teams around the five hundred. It's like what we I just ranged in a Milwaukee loss do besides a couple I mean basically I think every reason around it was an uncompetitive. Whatever the game. Yeah, they had It's kind of nine.
I think right like that's what it was and in Indiana I mean even with curry game hurt. I mean they were gonna be pretty good. They cut the three and a third quarter But I mean they were down a lot of points in that game weird weird stuff The only thing I was saying I said from the game season from the punch on from the punch on stop making up dream on green trades Yeah, they are not trading dream on green unless and like this was like I got the whole time unless the season goes so far All the rails that they're essentially a rebuilding tanking team This does not open up that possibility to me. I think they will just sort of scrap and call about around 500 Oh, well for something Well looking more options.
I think they go oh and 12 and there's more instances like the him getting thrown at it And you know the other night in Indiana if there's like three more objections in there and stuff like then you're thinking like What is really kind of gone off the rails? Yeah, as much parody as there is You don't want to be in the plan tournament. You just know and you mentioned that they lost two games from the plan tournament two seasons ago Including to the Grizzlies who you know that was their springboard and let's use that as a springboard into the rest of the trade teams Because that's nothing is really changed for the ways are kind of chill and common. They'll be right up Well, the overarching environment as we enter actual trade season is number one parody Howard back my friend had a great piece of the guy about just how many teams are scrunched and unprecedented scrunching in the middle of the sandings and Between Memphis two seasons ago and New Orleans last year a lot of teams have kind of bought into this idea of If we get into the play in and we get into the playoffs that experience matters for our young players Look at how Memphis is used as a springboard Look at all the pelicans if you did a springboard that series against Phoenix where the crowd's going crazy The environment is a hot house young guys are feeling that for the first time That seems to matter to those teams and so I think a lot of teams are gonna consider themselves buyers more than usual The play in his work in that sense of course limits the number of sellers So that's where we are at I ask you by pick your five most interesting trade season teams I picked on a mine to I'm sure we have some overlap.
I will yield the floor to you give me a team You want to talk about yeah, I kind of wanted to go away from the obvious team here. So I'm gonna start with the wizards Not on my list really it's fun. I was texting with their point of night with him But I said I'm 10 we're gonna be 20 years from now. We're gonna be retired from this business And I feel like in December the Washington is still gonna be 11 and 16 Like every time I look at the standings there are 11 and 16 They got a good start here and and I know and it'll be all it's been hurt with a hamstring here But I'm just looking at Kuzma player option poor as English player option none of their young I guess blue chip draft recent draft picks whether it be Danny.
I mean Johnny Davis They drafted this past your house. Please. I mean every like six minutes game So I don't watch college basketball Yeah, you can from the Johnny Davis is a real person You're not a former coach I know we can just like make up if you don't be character and they just thought it would be funny to draft a fictional person I he could walk in front of my house right now and be like hey Zach on Johnny Davis from the wizards I would have no idea who it was I think we're gonna talk about later Yeah, just like who are young guys wants to play well You want to play sure you want to play sure we play everybody all the time Like I gave us came on the floor for a team that stinks and I had like great a wizard's man from the athletic I'm like I'm like I'm like I was in the tennis seven and we open the podcast So I just mean like yeah, this is completely full. We don't believe any of this now We did believe maybe they were like 36 winning there at the camp when any games right now No, and they have to your play all their numbers I mean I thought about it that none of these guys are popped it all out the inside a nice I think I'll be able to be a good player on a good team someday like a nice get starter type they just have There's there's just nothing if I'm a wizard's man I might just check out of the NBA for the next except for the lottery Well one other better one of their best bet players is during good one.
He's on it's you I mean It's on it's way I mean But why are they interesting to you do you think they had these veterans? Kuzma poor Zingas like why don't we look around is that we were asking basically that and I'm asking like so What is you just not rally below five or two hundred fifty million dollar contract right now? You're going to be sellers right so if you're gonna be sellers You might as well just be like you might as well just go all in and be sellers here And I know you'll have no trade clause and we texted about it before Like you're gonna have to get to a point unless all of a sudden you just draft great all of a sudden if you haven't This seems gonna be 11 16 for the next three or four years They're gonna be a 35 the 36 when team and my concern with Beale is like that contract is going to be appreciating like He has stretch where he played at 82 games I think 2017 that area and now like you look at like 50 games 60 games You know playing you know he's missing 20 games here 25 games there like and it's going on I mean you're three is fifty million dollars. He's going to be learning so if I'm the wizards And I'm gonna be looking to move off guys or unless you just think you just you're holding on for dear Like I'm looking at everything here like I'm looking at from Beale on down and yes You'll have to work with you on a deal But I just I just I'm just so excited tired of like this team is so blah.
I mean that's being kind They're the worst night tonight watching the NBA Yeah, just the Wizards come up on my wheel of teams to watch them like oh god They're playing somebody good at least are they playing I can most things They had Brooklyn when Brooklyn things were really bad in Brooklyn and jock I taken over they had a full healthy lineup The Wizards did and Brooklyn went in there on Friday night and basically be like 50 hashtag KDC. Yeah, so I just I just I just like I like mind more so you know, you know, you know, I shout out guy right He said these are the worst and we're gonna get to the Wizards on the way don't worry I have some fake trades that are that I just completely made up for fun. Um, look on the right side I think here's the most important thing to tap for the Wizards is your championship encourage about the pink uniforms Amazing and they should be their core uniforms going forward. That's fantastic great work by the Wizards everything else is a disaster and on Beale Well last month I surveyed, you know 20 front office people and I just asked them like Well, how do you even value this contract and the day one too?
Although the names obviously the blazers are playing really well again And they're not even looking there because these are the first two just gargantuan long-term like sticker shock like 60 million Contracts and I asked it through the lanes of the Lakers who you mentioned we don't talk about obvious names I asked through the lines of like is rust in the two unprotected pics Is that fair value for Bradley Beale and if you as 25 people around the league you would get everything from I forget what a Washington Do it right Washington probably feels documented to be a lovely little franchise. It's there so that over value You get some people saying oh my god. No Bradley Beale's a top 25 player in all NBA multiple time all NBA player That's not even close to represent value for Bradley Beale and then get another group of people who'd be like honestly anything The Wizards can get to get all of that contract. They should probably do it.
I don't think he goes to do with that deal And I just I just know where they're going As for fans the ESPN app has all of ESPN all in one place the ESPN app is your home to thousands of live events ESPN shows and originals across every ESPN Network and now you check if you already have ESPN I'm a little bit of a party for TV package for no additional call visit activate. ESPN.com We're not at a access your account. We're signed off. Then start screaming in the ESPN app It's all of ESPN bowling one place sign up after they now Can I use who's not to springboard into a team?
Yeah? The Memphis Grizzlies have one seven games in a room during 19 and nine first in the West They have all their picks Danny Green's exfiring $10,000 salary Maybe Dylan Brooks is exfiring $11,000 out of the way. He's Dylan Brooks is like for all the hate Dylan Brooks gets He just humiliated Chris Middleton on national TV like Chris Middleton a little last night. I wanted to go in the corner It's in like crawl up I've never seen Chris Middleton world like that.
This guy who's made crunch time shots in the finals in the conference finals like Monster game winning game tying shots in those environments And Dylan Brooks is actually been recording assists at four Dylan Brooks is a level like three or four seasons Like Dylan. Oh, right passing passing you can do that. You don't have to take the foot on the line three every time I'm in And I went on I Chris run it on last week. What first of all the Memphis make your five most interesting teams.
They didn't okay We're gonna talk about them. I definitely I had run on last week and I said they can win the West right now The time is now for now care of John ran this 23 or whatever he is 24 and their team is young The way Baine is improved the way Jackson has come into the season like he was shot out of a cannon blocking everything And site making threes making koos at a high rate the time is now from Memphis And I said to him if I were them I know we've always been obsessed with with what could they get for four picks and three swas when about the ramping I asked about the ramp over the summer who's the whale. It's like whales are fine Like a whale hunting thing is fine Why why why would they take one pick and dandy green and see if they could upgrade what I've called the Roddy Aldama Laravia minutes and I still think it should do that and I think who's my great candidate for that I can't get them by garbage I wanted to get the joy about it so badly and he's 19 million dollars salary makes it very very hard for them To get it has to be green plus like two young players are green plus books. But they look at their rotation But here's our starting five which is like zero minutes together.
This is jock bane Brooks Jackson Adams Our top four off the bench are ties Jones the best back up one car in the NBA Brandon Clark one of the best back up They meant in the NBA John Conchar and Ziya Williams who just got back that's nine We're already nine before we've gotten to David Roddy who's playing pretty well. He's a basketball No, David Roddy is he's a basketball player who happens also to be 37 on corner threes. It's not the Aldama That's 10 and 11 37 on threes 58 or something to really good pass or in color looks like a real player Jiggle radio out of the rotation, but you know, they're gonna speak but that's 12 Danny green if you ever come back Maybe they don't I could see them. They've been so conservative I could see them saying if we just get our top 10 healthy We're good enough as it is we're gonna hold on to our stuff instead of making the incremental move But boy if I were them I'd be tempted to make incremental move That gets me a shooter a reliable veteran for those Aldama Roddy minutes as well Those guys are playing because I think Memphis is awesome and the improvements that bane and Jackson have made should make them more formidable And the playoffs because the bug with them was always you know what happens when the game slows down They were lying on turnovers and off and three times in transition and like all the play offs are slower I think they prove last season that that's 50% 50% 50% real It's a little less real than conventional would suggest like they're style persistent But also they're more prepared to play a slower style this year with the way their second-third as players are playing I would be really really tempted to make incremental move I think I think in the West now if you win the West I know awesome and walk you look like they're world leaders Everybody else they just destroyed no walk you can make the final you got a shot.
Yeah I mean who's my as you mentioned is interesting just because like he's got a player option You know if you're price tag as you might as well go right? You just let him go or let him see more what Memphis has been great at Zach is a they know who they are They know who their main guys are right. They know what you draw Jaren bane and they basically salary slot guys right Ty's Jones $14 million grand clerk you don't let me know like they don't over pay players here They they they as you said they draft they develop. I mean they got the secret sauce to draft it They really do I mean as far as what they've been able to do in the past as far as finding guys Who are not projected in the box to go high and then they don't care?
You know guy before you take my 25. Don't trade up if they've just in case. Yeah So I think that's the big thing like I think it's great like you know last night they beat you know I'm walking by 41 41 right? I was always a competitive game for zero seconds.
The box did not care the Grizzlies punched in the face like the Grizzlies Really open every game by punching you in the face and you have to decide do we feel like playing tonight or not? Thursday night national TV but yeah, we're good. We'll just wait. I knew it was gonna be when Brooks started taking Elo has took like three threes like back to back to back to back and it was like okay I think this one's in the end of 14 eight at time and by the way keep Finaster centennial boat away from John Moran and all other stars who like to fly in there because that dude Look he's NBA player he's better at his thing and I'll ever be at any of my things But he's playing like a hybrid of football and rugby and basketball out there and he had a little thing with my man in midair last night When we ran fell on the floor nothing happened keep him away Yeah, I mean I I mean I think so go back here.
I'm sorry. I'm a little hyped up today You're gonna get back you're gonna get any green back so the big question for them will be you trust that group of forwards come a Western conference finals the Western conference time I was like game five on the road right where you're going to need The Roddy Williams Aldama grouping there and can you swap one of them out for more of a stop I agree with you man This Western conference is wide open for the taking and that framing is true But also undersells the degrees are just awesome But let's doesn't have to be wide open for them to have a chance at it. They're an awesome awesome team I was gonna in Wendy's Tom that's who's a I'm actually like different But I was thinking like I don't want I mean I don't want to discredit what San Antonio's done You know prior to the last couple years as far as that great one right? I mean the championship never says I want championship But they started reminding a little bit like like San Antonio is because of how they've they drafted Developed with snare injuries.
They kind of plug and play. They know kind of guys that would you know with you know With them you know that fit within their system here You know certainly a little bit you know, but they drafting as far as how they built that this roster Yeah, I mean a little like he jot you know I'm sorry moving off more they were you know, too, but I mean Jack and we can make an argument on the offensive probably You know me looking I wrote I wrote he's in 14 games So you only played like 12 or 13 he's not in the defense player your conversation because of that it's time to put him in now He I think I think he's an integral He's played he's played I think he's been a defense player in the whole league this year when he's been on the floor Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but but I do think Yeah, you say the window will be open to him. We said that by Denver I mean a couple injuries here and there, but you know, they're a good team here, but as you said Denver Denver Nobody's talking about Denver. No, they are the sleeping giant right now of the NBA They're 17 or 10 or third in the West.
They're second in offense. You'll catch us having an MVP level season again They're 28th in defense. They've got to figure out what the hell is going on there and who they should play in how much they need to play line up With three other good defenders on the floor instead of two. I'm gonna do it everything We said I want to believe it.
They're the sweet. They're the sweet. They've got a Michael I got nothing from Michael Porter Jr I mean like their back or their depth is bones and Christian Brown right with Bruce Brown and sorry line. Which played great?
Anyway, I don't know why I don't know my five Another get me Memphis get me who's mother Memphis and I'll be happy because Memphis is ready Um Memphis is ready and Roddy big body Roddy Maybe he's ready. I don't know maybe I love those guys who play in the pre-draft camp Like he's one of those kids who played like actual five on five not just going want to like him Jan Williams Santa Clara Jan Williams. He's good man. Those guys played and you can't let these teams have two guys with the same name Even if it's spelled differently.
This is gonna be how many years gonna be your six of like big man John what anyway, I think you're speaking for Atlanta. Oh, so you brought up Atlanta. I'm watching the Orlando game the other night When they're down with like a four 28 and I texted it with a team This is a kind of game that gets a coach fired like I don't think it was gonna get fired But like that like like that game, and I know you've got no Murray and Collins, but thank you are basically a Lock is not a lot shop, but it's in shot against the Chicago Bulls from being on a major league skid here here Atlanta man, they are funky. I mean when you don't get good Trey Man, I don't know what they're not been good at all here and that's a team that when you go all in basically in the meritrade And trade way law draft picks.
I don't know what you know would be good for them It's kind of hurt. I mean, but that was a luxury tax dump to get out of the money there But they are for me. I got them circle. That's part of those teams.
I mean from certainly we're here on Collins We're here about the other about kind of you know like we're gonna you know We thought we texted before the one guy you said Comes that put a list together for Trey young. We're probably a year away. We're somewhere six months away from the fake tray young trades becoming real Podcast fodder, but this team funky is the right word funky is right. I talked about them a little bit We were no last week.
They were in New York last week for two games Something is wrong with their team many. I think multiple things and multiple levels are just fun and a long with their team and they're 14 of 15 Minus to per diain point different. That's bad. There's a bad team They have talent at Murray and young the numbers are okay together the style that I tested not The two people love during which rate playing with Trey young buzz just never stops the who's actually making the decisions here stuff Never stops The why did we give up too much for the time.
I said today that trade I think I felt not I didn't like that trade for that was too much for John They're very much compared to our together and they have a natural other season Pella certain how to be able for them call this been hurt despite the fact he's always on the trade block he's a really good player and that's a big deal for them something is just funky there and You know a lot of these teams I mentioned before that trade will go to picks Minnesota being the prime example. I think That at some point we can get those picks back if this fails by putting somebody else on the block My favorite thing trades that I made up earlier this year was John Collins for Jay Crowder Landry Jam it and like two first round picks from Phoenix is a way to move Collins and recoup some of the draft equity and get a placeholder power For an crowd or I have no idea where crowders gonna end up going I'm kind of surprising to get ready yesterday I don't think that trade is really on the table so to speak, but something's got a change there Something's going to change there and I remember I'm not making some comparison But I remember a year before the hardened trade buzz started I wrote in my crazy predictions column before the season That there would be hard in trade buzz at some point in Houston and it was really early and really It was early, but you could just see the writing on the wall Like there's always you just have to and I don't think that they're there with trade the owners love trade He sells tickets and all that I wouldn't be surprised if in a year we're making fake trade on trade If this just doesn't if this doesn't work depending on again, who's making this in sort of team can I just Can I just put this into the universe my favorite fake trade on trade? I have three teams to do right now Okay, so this one this one like the basketball gods on Mount Russell need to make this happen in the event It is ever becomes a thing challenge trade trade young for Carl Anthony Town straight up And here's why it's delightful on every possible level number one I was lobbying for the lowest to trade their stash for the John day Murray instead of really go bear Then you'd have Murray in town's United in a different place in Atlanta And doesn't it just hasn't it always felt like destiny that Trey young and redo bear who are inverse players in every possible way should play together But you do what I don't do I do what you don't do let's pair up and see what happens My favorite thing just for fun. I just wrote down.
I don't teams down. I mean, I really don't land. Oh down Yes, I'm on my list Orlando needs guards now. They have a couple back now But I wanted to get into the Mitchell thing like last last summer and they didn't they're on my list They are a trade they are a trade young draft like they wanted to get up and draft Trey young in that draft remember I think it's a trade young.
I wrote your down They're on this new. Yeah. Hey, run some young back or let's go What are you? But the next one a the next one and b if you're gonna be the king of Broadway be the king of Broadway You're gonna brag about how I misused your house is doing in the street.
Yeah, we're just having fun We're just having fun. The hawks are not trading trade young. I would try to go down Yeah, I mean, I'm like we have the same teams. I know so that's yeah, that's my end of work This is some we'll talk about probably Maybe nay the bulls have a point guard.
No, the bulls have one point guard healthy under team. I mean, I mean, you're they don't want so I'm really Punching with every update on mondo It sounds like an update on an elderly hospital patient. It sounds like like oh today He got up and walked around all the way for a little bit like these updates are so depressing. I miss one's oh yeah Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm gonna talk about I mean, I'm gonna go a little bit of tangent We always have Boston trade and you know and what was traded and taking around picks and stuff like that And we don't have to believe your pay up now, but I'm watching I'm watching Boston Lakers the other night breaking and I'm a Laker fan.
I'm nauseous watching Jason. Hey, you're gonna draft them right you gotta draft them I found the sixers. We don't have to go there. I'm nauseous watching Jason hate him here.
You could have drafted them So that's my rant. Are you still more helpful to pick in work out? No, I don't think that worked out being a Orlando guards But yeah, I mean with ones I like I know it was like hey there were twenty seven fourteen last year They're thirty nine twenty one at one time like that's like you have to plan that this guy's not coming back Well, this is reminds me of the Lakers like the Lakers are 11 and 16 They were eight and two for a 10 game stretch and people and crazy well now they're nine and six and a 15 game stretch And it's like at some point you're actual win total matters It's not like a theoretical like oh, but they did this for these 10 games and when they have these guys on the court Plus whatever like at some point your standings are what ends up quick that call you qualify for the playoffs and they're 11 and 16 Yeah, it's cool that we'll set a nice 45 games That's over it's gone and updates about lines are like well, he's not really walking up the stairs. Yeah, I don't know how they that the Dragage I owe I mean we see I don't know what go away is you know, I mean like it's just I give me another two to Chicago Chicago on your list.
They're on my list They're on my list just because like it's you know, it's so weird like you go off I mean 2021 right That was the deadline where they where they got boot in the trade for the Orlando And then you met and then you get the more and you do lonzo and you basically trade away most of your first on pics Right and you've got it be in the full boat. Yeah, and now basically what they are is they're the Orlando magic from three years ago Oh, I know they're the M4 and I sold early M4 and Aaron Gordon Ouch Orlando magic and I don't know they are because that the land of magic team was a seed Yeah, they pioneered winning game one of the players who was getting a lot of There's a five seconds and Toronto to oh, whoa one all magic So obviously hit some shots down the stretch. So are you I mean do you eventually have to I mean I hate people say well You know, I don't like that work just because it's like it's only easy to say that but like but eventually do what you have to pivot I mean you've got the Rosen another year left These are one of the extension in the offseason which is a free agent. He's an eligible right now is acts 215 I mean talk about a thing number.
I'm the bull if I'm the bulls I am not extending which image unless it's a pig. I'm just not yeah You look at these deals for centers while the 14 million. Yeah, but we're like or even 16 17 For snow like Memphis has no regrets. I see that I'm still No regrets about your own as an average now.
Unfortunately. I guess that means 20 or 21 for which is the cap goes up like If he wants to raise off his current salaries around 20 I don't care about all this stuff. I traded for him. That's a son calls I'm not doing that deal if you're going to come back on a proportional deal that's just sort of like those down I can make that work as a good player.
He's a good player with clear strengths here. We can assist over it It is a good player, but I'm not extending him at some like you know 120% of his current salary or whatever It's like I'm just not doing that. I'm not yeah. I mean so then it's like so is it him?
Is it you start looking at stuff or tomorrow? Mean the deck number. I would be the other numbers not using the movie. I mean that's a that's a big number that keeps on going up That's I mean a different like I talked with a team and we're talking about like we extensions And he said I talked with him about and he said we extensions are the easy ones to do Right like you're just buying stock and it doesn't work out like these second and third contracts or some fourth contracts man Like you are buying they find almost like a nice Mercedes at like 50,000 miles on it like it's it's those are going to be harder to move So I just think Chicago for me is interesting because like we've always liked that Patrick Williams He was kind of a big trade asset was easy and touchable played He played pretty well this year right.
I mean kind of went from starter to bench back to starter He shoots now sometimes. Yeah. Um, I'm never I don't know how long it's gonna take me for me to not be a Patrick Williams believer And I was never like I never like I never like who I do point out the call on the pause of the call that was ridiculous And I understand that he looks the part more than plays the part He's younger than like eight of the guys who just got drafted in the first time. I people are out on him too early I still get a player.
Yeah, I agree. I mean like so I'm just looking at them like Going to better get better do they do take a step back even though they know they owe somebody's text already You know we're laying down their protected top four. They'll pick the San Antonio after years after here So that's that's a team that's you know certainly intrigued me or today You do have to always remember the blow it up crowd. You remember that because top four protected You could blow it up and your odds of keeping your own pick are much less than 50 Yeah, um or a little bit less depending on how bad it gets they could go again Thank you for mind if you like to pull stuff to pick a link They just picked a link.
They just they just picked this lane like 18 months ago. That's no time has passed and it could be that Maybe instead of well, maybe they try to look for deals that kind of shuffle the better index years a little bit Like let's say at the same age curve say in the kind of win hour I'm not more with it with a different group I just don't the Lakers talk is an obsessive with them right and like the Rosen would be the nuclear bomb drop the trademark He's the guy that would change everything if they may be available You know, I keep saying with the Lakers like you want to put who John the Lakers you want to take rust off the Lakers Just remember two things number one Anthony able to play center and number two They actually need Russ's playmaking so if you're gonna take that off You can't take it off likely and not replace it with playing Now the Rosen is a good to very good passer, but he's a score first And I think I think you fit anywhere find I think he's rich up or he just knows how to play everywhere But just remember making fake labor trade to have centers going to their team just remember who their center is right now And why he's thriving the way that he is which is why you have said many times You think a smaller deal involving like none Beverly one pick I can't decide by because we have to do like I can't decide That smart like my thing all year has been I kind of wanted to be all or nothing for the Lakers I have measure deals like oh we can trade Beverly a nun and one twenty twenty seven first for makeup of good Kuzma Like that sounds nice and it's exciting and talk yourself Don't give up one pick. It's like what is that kind of worst like it's like the no half measures rule from what's his name? My german trout the great my german trout no half measures man No half measures.
Well, I don't know how I feel about unless they do they try to do the thing where it's like it's One lottery protected pick if you don't get it that you're at the constant second to one shot deal and the team Really that's not do that. Yeah. I mean the Understand why the Lakers would you know because they're so limited as far as what they can trade I mean so they can hopefully that you don't trade too. You keep one and use another one for no I mean that's for me.
It's almost like you're gonna be all you know You're not gonna be all like you're either going to be there a routing success It's where it's gonna be a massive flame out right like there's no in between here And I don't know what that all in guys. You know, I mean players. I mean I don't turn her heel That's what we've talked about that Keep leaning their way out of that conversation. Yeah.
I mean you know you're taught teams like that that keep on you know They're not you know, I don't see unless they can get a bunch of you know You know, I'm working in the lineup, you know like team well the one guy on Utah that you know I've talked about Clarkson marketing sex in but you know look on a bit when he was on Utah The one guy that I mentioned for New Orleans night Andrew Lopez on and New Orleans is lost two in a row two you talk I runically I think they have a pretty deep roster when they get in run back I will run this again last night. I don't know that they actually need or should do anything with all their gigantic amount of pics I think we'll be easily underrated. He's a good player and he's a movement shooter Which is a really valuable dimension have their shooters and then their shooters who can shoot off really fast movement He's made a ton of threes over the last two or three years I want to these teams to be taking a hard look at him I mentioned New Orleans because they have all these ball handlers in their brutality team. They don't take any freeze tomorrow I don't make any freeze.
He's just like I would I would look hard at him if I were somebody Well, that's in the game. I'm Thursday night. Oh, yeah Thursday night. They're often got a stagnant again You know, you know, you know, you kind of you know, you're kind of wait for Zion to kind of create off the dribble I mean, it's just got a guy I mean, I'm thinking about New Orleans and I was thinking like I wonder if New Orleans knew Like what this team would be right now, you know, whatever nine or ten games about 500 would have been more aggressive with the ramp in the summer You know if you knew you had his help these I on and you knew that the younger players were kind of who they are You know, would you have been more because you mentioned right on this roster in the summer that's what you're saying is a grown Yeah summer that means yes, anger that's not fun We're not entirely officially That's why there's just unless you take famous thrills and the minutes have some in place Thank you for the finances all the way.
One place like the orders on zero mistakes The name of union and keep everything working together. So you're ready for whatever next I'm gonna give you a list of teams. Yeah, you're gonna pick one. Yep I would call this list whatever level of urgency.
They had to upgrade their roster at the beginning of the season has probably increased today Given how their scenes have gone Phoenix. Okay Miami Dallas and I don't know that they quite fit my conceit I'm gonna include them anyway the single biggest mystery in the NBA heading to the trade line Toronto So Phoenix Dallas Miami Toronto The first to be at least whatever urgency they felt you know Phoenix might have been around only and it's unclear However, they've got there well now they're you know, the JB clear line, but they've been really injury still They're really Dallas just a miserable team to watch miserable Lucas body language I was it's reaching LeBron in 2018 before the trade line levels of pallias Miami back the 500 last night after Nice one over the rocket's how we're doing great and then Toronto two games under just not playing well just not just they've gotten healthier They lost it on this afternoon I watch something I would just pick one of those teams in that's what went yeah I mean I trust Miami I trust them enough Phoenix injuries. Certainly. I'm gonna pick and I had two of the two of the teams on there On my list.
I'm on my list. I'm gonna pick out I'm gonna talk about Bronson. We know what happened Yeah, he's not coming back like it is what it is. I look at them.
We're happy to get another number one I or two probably number two. You know, it's not an one. Look at the one guy You got a time these week's by contracts with the dinnwides the finish myth the ridgeable lock cleavage out right now I think you name a guy put in there's Christian would Who's extension eligible about 10 days I think nine days. Yeah, we'll see what happens there I think you definitely have to put his name in there three first round picks you can move You know, three well the left take that protection off the next one next pick is top 10 protected 23 and rolls over 24 and 25 So you know if you don't know if you can do that though Again, they're in my urgency increased because I've called them team holding pattern all season like to make man And I thought a lot on the spot because I'm not gonna make a half-way trigger not gonna turn one pick or two picks into it Okay, but it's a runs into point out they're gonna hunt for the one egg.
Yeah, I think that is probably still true But they did not expect to be 14 and 14 and this just kind of at this point in the season and you just have to watch Look a play to realize he's just moving around out there and they've all talked publicly about how this level of usage for him Is not sustainable and not a path to us winning the way we went on and so I think although I still would agree that that general idea that their team Holding pattern is true. I think they're gonna look around at the deadline for an upgrade this season more urgently than they plan to yeah I mean, I mean the Cleveland loss the other night's probably a good example. You know, I mean you lose at home You know look at that class outside. He does this thing and you basically like mean the combination of the only hard-weight face myths or 20 points I mean you're gonna get your Christian with 20 off the bench right So like I just think eventually like the frustration level and I saw at the end of I think it was the Milwaukee game last Friday When I missed a ton of free 14 15 free throw.
I think the frustration level eventually build and I know Lucas and You're one of that max that working max deal, but you go from a conference finalist and I get it if you're making shots They're gonna be you know in most of these games here, but like you can't always just rely on that If you had someone asked me about a month ago, I'll put me on the spot just in a random phone Who's your ideal number two guy for Luca and the parameters to me on the honest spot just football in session where you got your real estate Like you can't say guys. You can't say these guys are not gonna be available to you just craft Give me a guy and I'll tell you who my answers were and again these players are not available to them But they're also not like MVP level players yet anyway. Who do you think of? Yeah?
I mean he hasn't played well all this well at all He came up in April Chris Middleton. What's interesting? I like that. I like that.
I like that. I like that Like not really like as a trade deadline deal like no, so when I like that I mean that it's a thing. I just like it as far as like a number two right like he's a number to like I'm not gonna you know, you're right The ones out there they trade on those guys like though like Chris Middleton kind of is a 20 point guy You know kind of note has note knows what his role is here and can play off of you know off of the guy I don't know you get him, but that would be my yeah That's you I'm thinking so I came up and again this guy put me on the spot. I went my brain went to Defense first big man with some screening and playmaking capabilities So I said if you could find somebody like BMI bio or Evan Moly And again Cleveland is not treating Evan Moly for anything that dude is so freaking good any 21 It's ridiculous how many gonna be and Miami band has been there was been quietly sensational this year Everyone was young and in pre-saysore he did great not available not gonna be traded Go through the names that I just sort of came in my head and so to tie up Dallas in Toronto You know you keep hearing people talk about to rise to run below up to talk about their two games I saw somebody to each knee Jones.
There's my agent. Yes, I got my entrano Will they blow it up and reset around scallions get younger in other words, right? And I said last week there's almost talked about team behind the scenes in the NBA right now people are very curious My voltage the other 20 very curious what they're gonna do I think this recent losing skin they lost three straight I think the vultures are starting to circle the culture started coming in Toronto just a couple of ways Other boy and we'd extension eligible. He's a inspiring basically Yeah, he has a player option for next year.
Oh, yeah, no. Yes, a player option for 25. He's gonna for sure turn down So a lot of What potential they could buy they could sell they could bet on themselves like a delacier when they were on to get the 15 I think I think if you have to predict today What is Toronto going to do over the next two months in February? I would say and I'm interested to hear a few agree to degree I would say mostly stamp at probably trade here He trained mostly stamp at and deal with all these others you later and bet on their roster to make a run going forward What would you predict?
Yeah, I mean, that's similar to what they did in The other trade in Northern Powell for Trent. Right. It's like kind of that deadline deal because they were you know They weren't you know, go how I'm paying power big money You know, they trade for Trent. I think that's something you're you would probably probably more realistic I look at Toronto like I feel like they've run out of gas a little bit Right, like you know, they're a night where like you're just kind of you're going seven guys, right?
You know, what do you do at the bottom right? You know, he's got this year left. You're gonna pay when he before that injury man Like he was you know, he's played at an all-on-day level. So you got to figure what you want to do him too Well, it would be super nice.
Oh, yeah, right. Yeah You're pointing out running out of gas. I think there's a couple things to work there I think number one they're not surprising to leave anymore with their one like other guys are switching and blah blah Number two they're 29th and half-way offense and it's just a slot. It's just a slog of ISO's post-ups Just if they can't score transition they can't score and I said this last week You can rig the possession game all you want rigged a rebounding game Rink the turn over game get seven more shots than your opponents if you're 29th and half-court offense If the only team that's less efficient than you in the half-court is the Houston Rockets You are not going to win playoff games.
I don't care about all the other stuff You can dress it up dress it up while you're not going to play and I think that style It's just it's kind of taking the air out of their team on something It's just such a slog in between Barnes and see I'm gonna be in an obi. I've really just kind of pound it sometimes It's not that they want the ball. It's not that there's I'm not saying that there's attention about who's the guy and this and that I think that probably exists it exists a lot of teams. I'm sure all you know I'm sure that's not that's a day to day NBA problem in 25 days I'm talking more style.
There's just pounders and pounders and pounders and just right now I still think they'll go on around just on to her talent They haven't had a true what in an obi certain now. I like their team I was underneath before the season, but I test for them is bad right now. Yeah I mean I feel like whenever I watch them. I feel like they can win any game Right I feel like they're but they're they can also like you know like you'll lose your sacrament the Sacramento game The other night the Orlando two games last weekend.
Oh, I rule this rule more competitive the first game in the second game You know like this disappointing here and you know the big question will always be depth right you saw last year at the end You know going to that is right, but I just like on shooters playmakers right like I cannot make a free It's it's and without the complete they just they don't have enough off the dribble creation and you mentioned See, I'll say anything about him. I'm like if you're talking about blowing up and getting a gun This is a theoretical discussion that a league is having. Well, don't you have to talk about see I'm like see I'm gold is better on the team like he's not old. He's 29 or whatever But that's what you're talking about and his contract is up in two years and he's all the first year max Like don't you have to game it out like where we fit where what teams might inquire about him?
You have to do that. I don't think Toronto wants to do that. They love see outcome He's an all-in-day level player full stop. He's a great homegrown draft story He's just entering the middle of his prime.
I don't think there's to be very clear I don't think there's even smoke. I don't think there's anything But I'm just saying if you get to that point as an organization or if you are a team that wants to talk turkey What Toronto don't you have to game that out? Oh, I think you have to I mean It's if you're only kind of doing your due diligence and that's probably why will be likely more of a conversation in y'all season What's going into an expiring right? I mean that's that's that's the big, you know And when I said connected with Alice I just said if you're asking around the league this guy put me on signs that was great number two for Luca Those are the answer mentioned see off of this I bill if I'm Phoenix and I'm just kind of flailing around and I want someone That's in between Booker and Paul age wise.
So name. I look at yeah Yeah, just like he's really pretty good. I know and I'm trying to just kind of reorient my team And I have to trade your knowledge just because I guess the rules of basketball are that eventually you have to trade your talents I'm just saying I think I think I still don't run away in the model these it's always when you talk about a team that at their lowest point It always feels so negative and so hopeless like if they win tonight. I don't know the point that I broke That's pretty much made there an hour seven minutes.
Hey, look you I shouldn't get it. Yeah, yeah, you know They've done this take care of business. Yeah three weeks ago or two weeks ago on this podcast I did like a six minute model I said now we're never for Brooklyn. Yeah, I read back from the nonsense Simmons was looking like Simmons ish again the schedule was getting easy full of teams as good or worse than them Take care of business and they did they did there's 17-12 they did exactly what they had to do to save their season Say this iteration of their team.
Do I have any faith that they can win the title this year? No Do I have any faith that this will be stable for another month or six weeks? No, but they've done what they did to do I think they've taken themselves out of cellar category for sure and maybe into buyer category Yeah, I think for me for Brooklyn It's more about like can we trade some of our offense for some for a little defense, you know It's crazy because the Indiana game when they had nobody there, you know that they basically rolled that nine guys I want to get to find 25 grand like for how they got five second, you know, they're they're in the bottom in like second chance points Read one for me, but I mean like kick the crap in the end right like they're on shore That whole more key for more that whole group so like for me for Brooklyn is like Joe Harris can't Thomas Not how he knows because it's too valuable off the court for them, but like guys like that What can you part of that part of them into like is there something else out there? And by the way?
I said as soon as like I recently went crazy. I said Team's are gonna start as much ram and I called it I think I called it almost inevitable that whether it's this year or next year at some point Brooklyn will have to cross the group I'm a dream because I just don't see this as a salvageable situation It's on the table now that I'm wrong I still don't think I'm wrong, but it's on the table now They've been enough to stabilize this not Paris for agent Simmons up and down like I still wouldn't bet on it But they have they and I was far from the only one saying that everybody was saying that in the media Everybody was and I don't think you're wrong I think it's just you're just more of an holding pattern right now I mean like we're in seven months now We're gonna be talking about it because eventually you're going to have to figure out what you're going to do with Tyree Irving when he becomes a free agent if Joe's I wants to resign him and when if he doesn't want to resign him I'm sure you're gonna have an MVP guy and Kevin Durant thinking like women. It just mean Ben Simmons left so eventually they will have to have that unless Irving's gonna be back right like that's just reality of it Cover a lot of grounds here any last minute you want to get into the weekend. No, I had a lot of Washington in Atlanta So those are my Chicago.
That's my group. I don't like how you know this The you're tas in the in the end of the world and we can talk about then we get closer February 9 there But you know as you said there's probably more buyers out there than sellers I'm sure once the sandings and a month and out probably shakes that out a little bit CBA will probably hear more CBH stuff I'm well out there. I'll give you two I'm just gonna mention two teams I'm curious about Sacramento who is absolutely desperate to make the playoffs and playing well But should not just sit on their laurels and say well we're set we're six in the West we're sure gonna play I'm curious to do and there's one team that only seems to come up with something that surprises the NBA Which is rare an out of nowhere trade both big or small they seem to do something every deadline whether they're contending or whether they're trading water And that's the Clippers. Yeah, and we haven't talked about them hardly all the day in front of their injury report They are 17 and 14 with a negative point difference.
But they've been awesome in the rare minutes They've had their actual team will they have their actual team? I know I went and went and went out and for how long they're over stuff with rotation players That has not been the shoe that I said before the season they're gonna need all these guys They have a picture trade. I don't know what they could get or who they could package or how many of their support players have any kind of like big League wide appeal I just know they have a history of coming off the top rope when you don't expect it and so I would watch them as well Yeah, I mean they last year with a power coming to jail We don't think they have enough trade they do and they've got a lot of these guys these 10 to $20 million contracts Right the canards the covingtons that whole group Yeah, they're limited with traffic as far as what they can trade because of the okay See deal here, but they do have you know like for me my question is you know There's enough body of work to not do anything right not do anything at all So Sacramento's a team like how sustainable is the roster? One of their main guys goes down like we saw with the air now like they struggled here They had great women in Toronto the other night.
What do you do Harrison Barnes on inspiring you extend them? You know, I used you know play well for most of the season here So that's you know, especially when you haven't made the playoffs in 16 years and if you're at your 100-960 where they are right now Like you kind of push a little bit more in yeah, I would that's what I'm saying and I would be there a lot Here's more and take straight out there and I've done my share of them I would be careful with that. He's a good glue guy to them and He can raise a rookie like I'm just I would be sure that you know There's been there's been a lot of one for six nights for King Murray right like a little figured out Like I think we kind of the summer league what he didn't make is really whoa, you know It's a little bit different from what you do in summer league to mid December and on the clippers This this is your foreman. This might be it you can no longer just be like well We'll have these guys for a couple more years go and PG three four more years Nobody knows over forever just got them everyone's happy We just got them bomber streaming at the press conference aren't this way the whole thing Yeah, you can't you can't just rest on your laurels.
That's all I'm saying you can't rest on the numbers Well, 142 minutes go out and PG or plus 64 that's cool It's 142 minutes man like it's gonna be 500 minutes ever and and even if it is 500 minutes like if there's a year to try something This might be the air it's gonna be a fun couple months. Yeah, it should be fun. Well, I will give a good holiday season I will see you soon stay safe down in Florida and what else we got for another team that who collected column Yeah, we got a Vegas for Julie guy little Julie showcase over Sunday to Wednesday so I'll be out there Which will always as fun on the table and they go nope. I don't know I don't know Really Near to actually when I'm under say anonymous not because you know what I mean We've got a big article come out Monday.
We just did here. We take all three teams big questions It's not the main trade guy that will come out in January who collected to use. I think I'm right shortly You know, we'll shoreless as far as who not good All in for Victor maybe that's what they should do Bobby marks. Thank you for all the work you do across the ice Give many platforms.
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