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EPISODE · Aug 25, 2026 · 49 MIN

Treat 'Em Mean, Keep 'Em Scrolling | Meta on trial, named storms and the weekend at 100

from Experience: Analysing Newsmakers · host Experience

Peter opens with the Concept of the Week and it turns out to explain almost everything else in the episode. Variable ratio reinforcement is why the fox keeps coming back to Peter's garden, why the fruit machine keeps taking your pound, and why you keep scrolling. Reward someone every time and they stop caring. Reward them never and they leave. Reward them roughly one time in three and they cannot put it down. The people building these systems know this.Then three stories that all turn out to be about the same thing: who gets to decide what holds your attention.The Met Office is running a competition with Aardman to name a storm after Shaun the Sheep or his cousin Timmy. Peter explains why a silly name is doing serious work, and makes the case for naming heatwaves after the companies that caused them.The two day weekend turns a hundred. Henry Ford gave it to his workers in 1926, having already doubled their pay, and not entirely out of kindness. Bertrand Russell thought we should have gone much further. Peter, a socialist with a lathe and a beehive, agrees.And in a courtroom in Oakland, twenty nine US states are taking Meta to trial over exactly the mechanism Peter described in the first five minutes.Timestamps00:45 Concept of the Week: variable ratio reinforcement, the fox, the fruit machine and the feed05:20 A look at the News: why the Met Office names storms, and why it should name heatwaves too12:15 A look at the News: a hundred years of the weekend, Henry Ford and Bertrand Russell on doing better things than work29:35 A look at the News: twenty nine states versus Meta, and what psychologists are telling the court43:20 The Triple T: set limits, and Peter admits he needs them as much as anyoneMentioned in this episodeBertrand Russell, In Praise of Idleness, 1932The Met Office and Aardman storm naming vote, which closed on 21 August. The full 2026/27 list is published on 1 SeptemberSeville has been naming and ranking heatwaves since 2022Arturo Bejar, the former Meta engineer giving evidence in OaklandWest, Mogilner and DeVoe, Happiness From Treating the Weekend Like a Vacation, 2021Experience is hosted by Hilary Jeffs and Professor Peter Kinderman, and produced by James Jones at Granary Digital. Get in touch at [email protected] show notes and transcript: https://www.experiencepodco.com/episodes/ep6-treat-em-mean-keep-em-scrolling.htmlConcept of the Week explained, Variable ratio reinforcement: https://www.experiencepodco.com/concepts/variable-ratio-reinforcement.html

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The psychology that keeps a fox coming back to your garden is the same psychology behind your phone. Peter and Hilary on variable ratio reinforcement, why the Met Office names storms, a hundred years of the two day weekend, and Meta in court facing a 1.4 trillion dollar claim.

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