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Today is Wednesday, October 9th, and Robert Salah is fired. You're fired. You're gone, buddy. You're gone.
Aaron Rodgers, coach killer, possibly. He's a serial coach killer. He's a serial coach killer. Mike McCarthy and he's got, he probably would have to, I guess, too, would make him a serial coach killer.
Yeah, listen, if you kill two people, you're a serial coach. That's true. Is this what you wanted? Is Nathaniel Hackett also fired?
He's not. He's not. He's not fired yet. That feels like you've got the wrong guy.
Yeah, I thought he would go first, then Bob. But I thought he was going to get fired if they lost the next three games because they went Vikings, Bills, Steelers. And then after that stretch, he got fired. But they just kind of tied with him.
What if Bob got fired because he wouldn't fire Nathaniel Hackett? That's a fireball offense. Yeah. I would agree with that, actually.
But then they would have fired Nathaniel Hackett still, too. Yeah. No, maybe not, though. Because maybe the worst offense is, as a head coach, the litmus test is, will you fire Nathaniel Hackett?
If you say no, then, okay, you can't run it. You're clearly not going out for this job. Also, I want to say one nice thing about Robert Salah. Good defensive coach.
He never got the QB. And he might not have still had it. We'll see how Aaron Rodgers' rest of the season goes. Memes?
No, I think he had a QB. He had a QB? He had a QB right now. He has a QB right now.
All right. But he never got the QB right, but his defense has always competed. And, yeah, maybe he's just a defensive coordinator type of guy. I want to say a lot of nice things about Bob Salah.
Because I don't feel like he was not put in a position to succeed. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that the entire team just became Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. And so he looked very frustrated for the last two years.
Obviously, having to deal with the rollercoaster quarterback last year. And then all the media shit that's been going on in New York. It looks like he wasn't having any fun out there. Yeah, it seemed like the writing was on the wall.
We should have paid even more attention. I know you said it was just nothing memes. But the moment when Bob Salah went to hug Aaron Rodgers during the Patriots game. And Rodgers kind of pushed him off.
Felt like that was the moment. That was bad. Also, do you remember? I think it was last March at the owner's meeting.
There was a report that Woody Johnson and Salah got into an argument in front of everybody. I think the NFL Network reported it. And then the Jets came out and said this is bad reporting by the NFL Network. And then the NFL Network did a split of like we stand by.
And also, maybe things didn't happen the way that we thought that they happened. I think that they just haven't liked each other for a while. I agree. When you lose a London game, it feels worse.
The London game always feels like a firing game. Yeah, especially for Woody Johnson. Because Woody Johnson, he was like the ambassador to Ireland for a while. He's got a bunch of friends over in the UK.
They were probably at the game. He's like, oh shit, I feel like a real asshole in front of my friends. Don't embarrass me in front of my friends. I got fired.
I don't know if there's anything to this. But a lot of discourse about the Lebanon flag on Salah's arm. So I saw that story. So I know that he doesn't wear it every time.
But wasn't it a thing in the last couple of years where coaches are wearing their heritage? Yeah. And Belichick, he would just wear the Croatian thing just on a random day in December. Big Tom always has the Italian thing.
Italian thing, yeah. And I think Arthur Smith had the Scotland flag. Everybody knows the big Scotland guy, Arthur Smith. So I got another spin zone for Robert Salah because I know he's probably listening.
This actually is like a great time to get fired because it's football season. Yeah. So you get to just watch football. And if Aaron Rodgers had not gotten hurt last year, there's probably a chance he would have gotten fired last year.
And then going into this year, he would have been like, oh, I got to find a new job because I got to work. You know, I got to keep my name out there. He's almost been forced to sit on the couch and watch football. And guess what?
It rules. You're getting paid to watch football. Yeah. Getting fired during the season is great.
Actually, just getting fired as a coach is the best gig you could ever hope for. Yeah. College, NFL, you get paid money not to work. It's a pretty good gig.
And also, you don't have to go into work for the Jets and deal with the media. Maybe I put like 30% of this firing on the media. Yeah. Probably.
Our hands are not clean in all this. So it means, now that you've fired a coach, interim coach is Jeff Ulbrich. Jeff Ulbrich. Okay.
Defensive coach. Great. Because that was, you should have just made it hack it and just been like, fuck it. Let's run this back.
I think they should have made it Aaron Rodgers. They should have just done player coach. Well, they could have made it hack it and then put an actual offense coordinator in. Yeah.
If you just turn it all over to Aaron Rodgers and say like, listen, man, this is your team anyways. Let's just see what you can do. You get 100% of blame, 100% of praise if it works out. I feel like he would have done it.
Yeah. 100%. By the way, I'm looking right now, Jeff Ulbrich, he's going to work out. This is now, he looks, the gray beard, he's only 47 years old.
Jeff Ulbrich is going to work out because when it comes to interim head coaches, you either need a fat guy or you need like an X player, a hard ass. He looks like the X player, a hard ass, a linebacker. I think he's going to work out. I got a couple of reasons why I think this might work out.
He has interim head coaching experience in his past. Kind of. He was Dan Quinn's, would be interim head coach if Dan Quinn got COVID during the 2020 season. He looks like a mini Dan Quinn.
There's that. And there's also the fact that he's a wrestler. Yeah. Being a wrestler, I feel like is a big, big plus in the interim head coach power rankings.
What are the attributes that makes a successful interim head coach? Another big one is if you look up fun facts about Jeff Ulbrich online, you don't find anything. Love that. There's nothing fun.
He's not a fun guy. All his fun facts are like, he has a family. Yeah. He has relatives.
Fun fact. He likes football and he has a family. This guy's going to work out memes. I think he made the right choice.
He's going to get people running through a brick wall. I think so. And then if the offense magically just works out too, that'll be awesome. I don't think that's going to happen.
But so where are you at for, like, this was a little shocking. I didn't, I wasn't shocked that he was fired. I was shocked that he was fired this quickly. I thought he would maybe get a couple more games, then you find a bye week, and then you fire him.
But they're just like, no, fuck it. Let's just fire him right now. How are you feeling overall? Is this a positive or negative?
So I think it's a positive, but I do feel kind of bad for Robert Zala. No, you can't. Not in this business. Only because Aaron Rodgers-Keeley's is the main reason why he got fired.
No, no, no, no. Disagree. If Aaron Rodgers doesn't serve Zala, I would imagine Robert Zala would have gotten fired last year when the Jets, when Aaron Rodgers is old and everything's falling apart and then they don't make the playoffs. I think you're right.
But you get an entire season's worth of Aaron Rodgers, and you can see how he dealt with that instead of just five games. Got it. I see what you're saying now. It does feel early.
And it doesn't feel like Woody Johnson doesn't fire head coaches in the middle of the season. It's just like a new thing for him. So it feels early. It feels like a panic move.
Also, it probably makes it a little bit less likely that Devontae Adams, your prized possession that you've had your eyes on. Devontae Adams, I was reading some rumors. Devontae Adams and the Bills. Oh.
I don't know if it makes any sense. How does that work out with the Ravens? I don't know also how it makes any sense. Well, as you know, Edgar Allen Poe lived later on in his life in New York State.
That's the only team to play in New York State. I don't know how it would work with Capra or any of that shit, but it was interesting. Memes, this sucks a little bit because I wanted forever for Aaron Rodgers to tear down a franchise, and he came so close with the Packers. But now he's on the Jets, and he's just doing that to New York.
You realize that's what's happening, though, right? We can't really tear something down that's already poured down. That's a fair point. True.
That's a very fair point. There was the expectation of it existing, and then it just absolutely went to dog shit. He basically went in, a guy getting hit in the nuts over and over and over. He showed up, got the guy a cup, and was like, you're safe now with me, and then just took a sledgehammer and hit him in the cup and smashed everything.
I would say it's kind of along those lines. If a guy was getting hit in the balls over and over, Aaron Rodgers came in, he goes, don't worry, I'm going to fix everything, and then he just cut your dick off. Yeah. The guy, he doesn't hurt anymore.
So now you don't have a dick. You can still get hit in the balls. Theon Greyjoy? Yeah.
That's Memes Reek? Memes is followed by everything you said to him. There's a lot for Memes to process. He's fucked up.
Okay. But Memes, I would have thought that this was, I've seen a lot of dysfunctional franchises in my day, and this is just like, I don't think it's anything to be happy about if you're a Jets fan, because it's just like, oh shit, we're just going to keep doing the same thing and we have no stability. Yeah, it all comes back to the owner, really. And it's just also, Nathaniel Hackett might have more power now.
That's the scariest part about this. If you're Nathaniel Hackett, you are terrified right now. You're like, oh shit, I have to stick around. It's like, you're a mess, you have to clean it up.
Well, maybe not, because Rodgers seems to like him, and that's really all it takes to keep your job. You think Nathaniel Hackett's like Reek? I think he's more of a Reek, and then Aaron Rodgers is more of a Reek. Yeah, yeah.
Well, Woody Johnson went on... No, they're the same person, right? Who's on Reek and Tom? Ramsey Holt and Tom's Reek.
Yeah. What? Woody Johnson went on the news. I don't know if it was Fox News or James.
The news. Big N news. This is the best Jets team of all time since he's purchased. When did he say that?
That was before the season. Oh, wow. So his expectations are kind of like my expectations, and some people may say I'm delusional. That's fine.
So, I was waiting for something else there, but okay. So when that fails, and you start off season two and three, somebody's going to go. I like to get the Bonte Adams is all forgiven. Well, because of Woody Johnson, we're not going to get the Bonte Adams.
It's not going to sign. How? Everything comes back to the owner. Got it.
Joe Douglas has no power. Joe Douglas was friends with Robert Sala. This came from the top. It's trickle-down sucking.
Trickle-down sucking. Trickle-down sucking. Nancy Reagan would be a big fan of those things. Huge, huge.
All right, so other story before we get to playoff baseball. Yeah, I do have a question for you guys. Would you rather, if you're Bob Sala, would you rather get fired in England, or would you rather get fired after you come back to the United States, and then you have to go into work, and then you're sitting in your office, you already started work, and then the owner comes home. I'd rather get home.
I think I'd rather get fired overseas. No, because then you've got to fly back on your own, and you've got to tell your family and all that stuff. Would you rather get fired in person, like you have to wake up early, go to work, get fired, and then leave, or just get like a text call or email? It's good to be an email.
I would rather get fired in England, and just go into an epic bender over there. Just be like, fuck it. I mean, I assume he would not. Yeah, I mean, I think he has like a bunch of kids.
Yeah, no, I'm saying me. I'm saying you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a lot of kids.
So many. How many kids do you have? I think 11. Yeah.
Are you serious? There was that report, he'd get his house fixed, and everybody was just staying in a hotel. Yeah. He tells the kids, hey guys, dad's going to England for a work trip.
He'll be back soon. Seven. He never comes back. Seven is just as close.
Like, once you get over five, it's like you're going to be doing a TLC show. Okay, so I would rather go home, though, just because I wouldn't have to deal with... Because then if you go on an epic bender, then you have the hungover flight home, where you're like, fuck, I'm actually facing the fact that you got fired. Then you just never go home.
You're like, I'm an England man now for the rest of my days. Yeah, I would want to go home. All right, so other Monday Night Football, the Chiefs are back. They never left, but that was the best the offense has looked in a while.
Patrick Mahomes, I think, for over 200 yards in the first half. They also are doing just, we said it before, we've made the parallels to the Dynasty Patriots, but what the Chiefs are doing is very Dynasty Patriots-esque in that they have shifted their defense's elite, and now they also are adding in the fact that they got guys like Juju Smith-Schuster and Kareem Hunt and just making them good again. It's because they know what Kansas City is, so they just get back in the building, and they're like, oh yeah, I remember, I'm good at football. It's crazy, because Sola tweeted that it's been 1,366 days since Juju Smith-Schuster had over 130 yards.
That was the most game since he had the 2021 wildcard game, and then it had been 1,422 days since Kareem Hunt had gone over 100 yards rushing. Yeah, I feel like they're just throwing back to guys who were good four years ago. The Chiefs can take anybody, any player that's been on the roster in the last 10 years, and bring them back, and then they'll just be good again. It doesn't matter.
Like Shady McCoy. You can tell me Shady McCoy would get signed tomorrow. I'd be like, yeah, he's probably going to get 60 yards receiving. Yeah, and so...
Also, their offensive line, I don't think, it gets a lot sometimes, because they have Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, they've got superstars, they've got a great defense, but the Chiefs' offensive line is really fucking good. Yeah, but they keep getting injuries, though. Yeah, they've got a couple last night. But they're still, they just keep pushing you back.
No, they basically just, you know, change the whole team over, and they've lost some really good players in the shuffle of it, had to let go of guys, had to let guys walk for money, more money, or trade guys, and it doesn't matter. They're just really, really good, and they're going to win the Super Bowl again, and we just all have to come to grips with that. As for the Saints, we might have gotten ahead of ourselves. Yeah, it looks like two games in the season, you can still feel good about that.
Yeah, you can just close your eyes, drift back to that world, go back three weeks ago, and just be like, yeah, we might be the best team in the NFL. Or it turns out that you played against the Panthers. Yeah, you played against the Panthers, then you beat the Cowboys, you might not be good. Derek Carr also, is he trying to break a record for highest balls thrown?
That pass that he threw was sick, though. He did a couple, where he just, it was, I don't know, he just put so much air on, it's crazy. I think that one he had to, where he got the oblique injury, he said that he hurt himself when he threw it, not when he got hit, or not when he hit the ground. So he fucked up his oblique, they couldn't shoot it up, he's going to try to play, I think, but he's a tough guy, I don't think he's ever missed a game due to injury.
But on that one play, it might have been the highest ball of the year, and he dropped it perfectly in the bucket. It was a very hard catch, so the receiver didn't come down with it. But yeah, the Chiefs, he had a cool play last night, or the Saints had a cool play last night, maybe the best play, where they had Saunders that made that interception in the end zone. Big boy.
Big boy, 320 pounds, tucking the ball, he switched the ball to his outside arm. He looked awesome. And carried it down the field, that was a great, great play. And the fact that he wears number 50, I think that makes him look so much faster when he was returning.
I was like, is that a linebacker? Well, it's also the fattest number. Yes, well, I would say 50 is a linebacker number. But it's also the fattest number on a fat guy, because it squishes.
Yeah, it squishes, it makes him look fatter, but it also makes him look faster at the same time. He was fast. Yeah, he was, he was 17 miles per hour, I think. It's crazy.
So, yeah, Chiefs are just, do you see it, Hank? Do you see it watching the Chiefs? You're like, oh yeah, I've seen this before. Yeah, I hate it.
They're like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, how's he going to get out of this one? Oh, there he is. And it's like picking up these trash wide receivers that were bad for other teams. Like, Juju Schuster, weapon.
Yeah. He was horrible. Always got to do it. They're running like a million tight end.
They can pick up whoever they want, and they're going to be good. Yeah, it's like Andy Reid, he gets bored sometimes with just beating teams regularly. So he has to run the play where he's doing like Travis Kelsey with an RPO inside the five-yard line, which worked. Yeah.
And he does, I mean, Travis Kelsey's rugby pitch that he had. It was awesome. That was a perfect rugby play. It was awesome.
a pin and pass he caught the ball attacked the defender waited for two defenders to commit to him and then threw it out sideways it's beautiful to watch when it works yeah Travis Kelsey has been he's been on that longer than I have the uh the backfield laterals like he's been doing that for like seven eight years in the league uh but it's a perfect play when it works because the defense collapses on ball carrier you got a guy on the outside and we have a guy that can throw like that toss it on her hand it went like probably 12 yards in the air it's a beautiful play and more teams need to start doing it yeah yeah it was uh they're just they just find ways and they're better than everyone and we just have to all deal with it because now this year it's different than last year where last year they were showing struggles it's like oh now they're gonna have to go on the road this year they have not been super they started being super explosive last night for the first time offensively uh Mahomes looked not at his best but they're 5-0 and it feels like they're their best is coming so watch out for that yeah I can hold two different thoughts in my head at the same time when I watch the Chiefs and that one is we are very lucky to watch this team because this team is awesome they're so fun and then at the same time I'm like enough enough yeah let somebody else have a turn yeah right but still I'm like yeah this is great football that we've never seen before yeah exactly it's it's crazy Chiefs are just they're just that much better than everyone all right so we're gonna take we're gonna do some playoff baseball we're gonna bring on Max we're gonna be on zoom for a second and then we're gonna do some college football talk okay before we get to baseball we have breaking moose that might be the best cow he's ever done that sounds like a cow who has a new quarterback Drake May is going to start pretty much everything Hank said was wrong uh there was a mutiny they call that wish casting I think yeah just say what you want to have happen yeah like the coach throwing a challenge flag on a replay where you know he's wrong Hank you are going to watch NFL football on Sunday with a new quarterback and we're wearing the throwbacks which is exciting wow wait what kind of throwbacks throwbacks oh the real throwbacks and you're playing the Texans that is not as exciting so um no it'll be fine I watched my rookie quarterback go against Texas it went great yeah with a bad offensive line they don't really like to pressure the quarterback that much oh boy yeah that's it that's an interesting move but I mean I guess you know it's a beauty it was a beauty it was a beauty and then there's a report that I saw Rossini say that there's you know people in the league saying he should have been starting the whole time you say you saw Rossini say that or you saw Rossini Rossini okay uh I mean he should we're gonna talk to Trey Aitman about it about starting with quarterbacks but that was my point when I talked when I said on Sunday like if your whole idea is that you can't start him behind this offensive line that means you can't start him this year and that's crazy so you gotta start him and now we are and now listen now you get this is fun though oh yeah we have the Patriots I think it's Patriots Bears Patriots or Bears commanders back back weeks it's wild rookie quarterback so now but dude hey this makes your Sundays exciting now you'll be here every Sunday for the kickoff yeah I'm scared yeah I can tell you're not excited about this you're scared scared why you can't live scared anytime sure rookie quarterbacks end up being great and then they make you happy all the time you could you could roll your ankle walking off a curb yeah I mean I'm excited we're gonna probably get no it's crazy like Hank even in your position if you know that the season's not gonna work out well in the long term having a rookie quarterback is fun I want to see a joke out of you yeah this is yeah I think he honestly is dead as a sports fan I think he wanted Drake May to never play yeah so he could be like well we have Drake May it's hard to get excited watching this team I guess but now we'll fix everything here's what he's gonna do Hank he's I and listen maybe this is presumptuous of me to make these wild predictions I do think Drake May will try to throw to a wide receiver that would be fun this time yeah right so that would be fun that would be fun yeah I mean if we can beat beating the Bears would be fun beating anyone would be fun why'd you say about the Bears yeah what the fuck we just said it's coming up I don't think we're gonna beat the Texans I'll say that not with that attitude right maybe you guys wear the letterman jackets this time yeah should we you should be so if the Patriots beat the Texans we should release the t-shirt oh yeah we should the Drake making Henry Lockwood t-shirt yeah yeah I don't think we can because of Drake May but I guess I mean you guys are gonna release it at some point I don't it's insane but I feel like this would be cause to do it right I'd never want to get released I think it's a crazy t-shirt to ever even be made but I know you're gonna release it at some point so I'd rather you just do it out of the way yeah just holding it over Hank's head like maybe we'll release it Hank you should be excited this is not what I expected out of you um what do you expect I you said a rookie quarterback starting is an exciting thing when your team stinks I don't think it's going to make our team stink that much less yeah but still he got this in the wrong perspective he's not gonna save your season the Patriots aren't gonna win a Super Bowl this year they're probably not gonna go to the playoffs this year but you have a rookie quarterback drafted what third overall third overall pick starting for your team I you know what Hank's problem is his tolerance has gotten too high his tolerance has gotten too high where he's had all these championships he was on the float in the parade he got to be the keeper of the lighthouse now the things that should make a normal sports fan happy like seeing their first round quarterback start again that doesn't even register on the scale for Hank it's I also think he just doesn't so it doesn't matter the team is irrelevant at this point in this in this season okay the the team is irrelevant what's relevant is that you just need him to look like good and progress that's where the excitement comes from like I saw Mitch had a bad first start remember Justin Fields first start against the Browns that was the worst first start ever but it was so exciting to be like oh maybe next week and then you're just like two good throws in that first start you're like oh we can work with that little steps forward and you get excited about the future that's what it is it's a future something now it's the future Hank pick yourself up it's a future the future yeah you don't believe that you don't I'm excited at all you're I think you're bummed out this is the only thing that could possibly make this season exciting for you is to put Drake May in beating the Bengals was exciting when he first came to the I think you're almost all the way almost back in sidebar I don't think Hank believes in Drake May no I don't think so that's why he's afraid to watch him right that's bad heavy balls if he if he believed in him he would be pumped you guys I mean I guess it I people are gonna be mad that our team sucks but that's all most of the quarterbacks of all time Tom Brady could be the quarterback of this team but most of the quarterbacks are on shitty teams CJ Stroud shitty team most of the quarterbacks are on shitty teams about watching them and being like oh that was a nice throw oh that was a nice play oh he's getting better oh we just won a game with him oh there's oh he's in the wide receiver see if Hank truly believes in this guy he would be pumped to see this because he would watch Drake May thinking he was gonna do something awesome and then he would know he doesn't he doesn't believe him you don't believe he's gonna do anything he doesn't he doesn't have that exciting I'm excited to see I'm excited to see yeah listen it's also like you want him to start now because if he is good and he's the guy next year is like then you build up whereas if you did the Henry Lockwood strategy of keeping your quarterback in a bubble wrap and never taking him out you would just be starting fresh next year Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady Jordan like people don't start three guys I guess Patrick Holmes do shit that's not all I think it's crazy to be like it's not the worst thing in the world he doesn't play that much but those guys also wait hold on I know what my response was those guys also had hall of famers or Alex Smith not a hall of famer but and I guess the hall of fame person really good quarterbacks in front of them and that's why they didn't start not because they had Jacoby Brissette Aaron Rodgers had Brett Favre Jordan Love had Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady had Drew Bledsoe Patrick Holmes had Alex Smith those were good quarterbacks fair they were starting for a reason not Jacoby Brissette fair that was good I recovered that he almost had us he doesn't even and it goes down to a lack of belief in your guy Hank are you upset yourself because you were in the camp of don't stardom and if you had been in the camp of stardom today would be feeling vindicated what I opened up my my group chat for my friends from home to see what the feelers are and one mayday all caps that's good well you got to come up with a better name it's actually a bad thing that's what you say right before yeah hey the movie's not ready all I can't stop a beach ball we have no weapons when he doesn't play well I'm just gonna say it's Drake Mays Mac Jones 2.0 you're paying Jacoby to get beat up and let me develop that's what we're making the playoffs but wait it's kind of true hey look at this guy Jacoby slower than God Washington O-line not great Chicago O-line not great yeah those rookie QBs are fine facts that's true Jacoby Brissette like sacks are partly on the quarterback and holding on the ball too long and also like no one if you if you watch them no one was expecting Jacoby Brissette to throw the ball with any type of like oh he's gonna burn us for like a 15 yard out or something the defenses were all just standing right at the line just like your O-line is gonna look better with Drake Mays behind behind center oh hey oh me just go like this oh man Hank here all right here's what can get you excited okay Texans game probably not gonna go great Jaguars game probably gonna go better what if you beat the Jets at home what if you beat the Jets at home now we're talking Patriots are 1-10 since the lighthouse has been built at home what if you beat the Jets at home Hank Hank how excited would you be if you get that memes will probably try to throw a punch at you but I will do my best to be there to catch that punch Hank also think about this even if you don't beat the Texans every good throw that Drake Mays makes in that game is gonna bum memes out yes he's like shit he's got another good quarterback my team is just firing everyone do you remember uh the preseason we were about to go I think we were about to set up for maybe dogs or something and uh memes was like slow and I was like what are you doing memes and he said I have to watch Drake May to make sure he's not good yeah you have memes on the ropes true but David Andrews is out for the season see he's on the ropes he's on the ropes he's on the ropes he's like back against me you got me to talk about your tank use memes no one on the line go after memes he's right about David Andrews but I if we I guess I didn't get here beat the Jets beat the Dolphins beat the Bills yeah rivalry games beat the Bears well rivalry games yeah beat the Bears what are you doing that memes I mean you're scared that Drake Mays gonna be good you're scared Drake Mays gonna be good he's not he might be good oh he's scared I don't know if you believe he's gonna be good but you were definitely afraid you have to be afraid you have to respect the thought that he might be good you're 100 afraid that he could be good um 75 he could be good but no offensive line could break him yes but they could probably get a new offensive line can you get a quarterback that's 20 years younger no but in my experience with no offensive line it's very hard to face years unless you have a quarterback they can escape that yeah who can move I'm like a 40 year old quarterback who's a killer and one foot do you remember that one time oh this is all right so this is what we gotta do get Hank up yeah bring memes down it's all about that's what it's all about if you can't get excited because you're not going to Super Bowl this year I get it standards are a little bit higher in Boston it's like championship or bust um but if you're a Patriots fan just think about how sad it's gonna make your enemies what did it take to get Hank's swagger back it took shitting all over memes yeah you get snatched the future yeah he's smiling you're getting your swagger back I mean you you don't need to get your swagger back you had summer of Hank like two days ago yeah think about all the Jets fans all the shit they talked when they got Aaron Rodgers guess what if Drake May goes out there and lights it up this weekend you can just laugh at them be like look what you guys hold yourself on and look what I got and hey here's another thing if Drake May turns out to not be good it's not like PFT and I are gonna laugh at you because our guys are good yeah but that again we didn't have a choice so yeah yeah but what if Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy are also good that then Michael Penix don't hurt I mean yeah I would imagine Spencer Rattler Spencer Rattler he's probably good do you think this is because they're wearing throwbacks and if they like win they're gonna sell a shit ton of Drake May oh you're right you're right you're absolutely right because why don't you do it against the Jaguars let's see whose line is it anyway did it change that hasn't changed it has not Drake May's worth zero points that's fair he's a rookie yeah I think every time I see the Patriots throwbacks do I just think that game against the Titans was that the snow game remember that quarter hang go mega max on the on the Patriots this week yeah believe believe mayday mayday mayday smash the button mayday I said all aboard the Mayflower that fits in nicely too yeah so my frog yeah that's good um all right uh let's kick ourselves for some playoff baseball talk with Max okay playoff baseball Max is in New York for the streams do you like us to start with the Phillies or we could end with the Phillies it doesn't matter um is that well I don't know which way you're the producer Max why doesn't it matter because it doesn't matter I don't know why you guys I got onto the zoom call you just keep saying my name like that you've never done this before ever and for some reason today you decided it's good time to start doing this it sounds like a breaking news cow saying I feel like you lost yeah no but it sounds like it's not even it's like a cow that's dying well I guess the Phillies are dying I agree with Max you make a good point like this series isn't about Max it's not but I do think the match should start out yeah okay so Max the Phillies are they dead yes so it's over yeah all right so that was the Phillies mess series yeah I don't know I think they're dead and then they win so that's why I gotta think that they're dead I had hope coming into today and they died I hope going into game one and they died and I thought we were dead and then we arose in game two for a little bit so right now I just have to assume death yeah well um your guy who is actually the grim reaper Nick Castellanos did have a good quote what was that noise I think that's my computer's updating uh Nick Castellanos this is as close to death as we're going to get as a group so in a way it should make us feel more alive there you go that's huge that's huge I don't know what the fuck that means what do you mean they're close to death when you're when you're as close to death as you could be you're also the most alive yeah it doesn't really make sense well Al Pacino's a little different well that's coming up not to get out of order yeah so Max if you have a near death experience when you have a near death experience you come back rejuvenated anything's possible you want to maximize your time maximize let's do this Max all right I got a couple questions for you Max first one um can you explain the uh hands on the ears like a little five-year-old with a fire truck going down the street move that you do when things go bad I don't know it's just like I don't want to hear people cheering around me because I'm with a bunch of fucking Mets fans and it's like uh it's like a panic it's like oh no something this is bad it's happening yeah I don't know how to explain my actions in these times and you want me to explain it I don't know what I'm doing it's very adorable it's great especially when you're sitting baby style and you put your hands on your ears I love it yeah it's so so cute you really are like oh here comes the fire truck and it's super loud everyone put your hands on your ears oh it's fourth of july it's not even the real fireworks someone just let off like a roman candle hands on your ears it's like in something about mary when you only catch his ears and then still comes at the end catch baseball yeah okay so that was question one question two um what are the vibes in that room tough bad it's just like I don't know it's just like assuming loss like the Mets the Mets and the Phillies are just completely opposite teams I thought the Phillies were tough on Sunday I don't know this the Phillies are soft baseball team the Mets are a hard baseball team they're a tough baseball team they come back from things and the Phillies just don't like they just die yeah I feel like Bryce Harper tonight got mentally dominated at the plate that so that was the moment that was the moment that the game yeah I was actually nice like this is the inning and you had two you had uh leadoff walk from Schwarber another walk two men on no outs Bryce Harper up perfect time and he went three three swings three swings strikeout in the last one they had was maybe so bad feeble attempt I've ever seen to hit a baseball in the playoffs and the next and the next battered stuff Cassiano's hit that ball on the screws and got doubled up there's nothing you can do a line drive right at someone it was your night yeah it was your night And Noah, you thought it was going to be a bad night for him when Alonzo hit the home run in whatever it was, the second inning. But he settled down. Obviously, they probably, I don't know if they kept him in. He was not, he was wanting like 80 pitches, so he had to keep him in.
He just always does that. He looks good for five innings, and then you put him out for the six, and everything crumbles. Yeah, because he wasn't going to get a bunch of bombs, but he just was walking everyone. Yeah, he found his groove where he had like, what, 70 strikeouts?
He had 8Ks, 8Ks in five innings. Yeah, but he just, that was tough. So, and the Mets, credit to the Mets, they are, it just, we said it for last series, they just have that team at Destiny feel, where every big hit, every big, like, they got guys just stepping up in the right spots, big strikeouts. They just get, I don't know what it is, it's just you have that feel, and the other team that's got that feel right now is the Padres, I would say, where it's like, the Padres, well, the Padres do have that feel, though, where they just keep getting big, I mean, it's a home run every night.
It's Hank's Padres. Yeah. In a weird way, the way the Padres lost game two was almost better, because it's like, they were just never in that game, and, or no, wait, was it one game two? They lost game one, they lost game one, they lost game two.
That was the one where Machado threw the ball at the dugout, and then everything went nuts, they started throwing all that shit on the field. I love how mad the Padres make the Dodgers. That's why I love the series. I want the series to go back to LA.
I'm rooting for San Diego. I think that they're the most fun team to watch in baseball right now. They've got, like, a great combination of guys that don't give a fuck and are also simultaneously really, really good. So, our friend Ryan Spader just tweeted this out.
Pretty incredible. Fernando Tatis is batting at a clip where he's had 1.506 OPS. He's homering 12.2% of his plate appearances during his career in postseason. He's the all-time postseason leader in batting average OBP on-base percentage, slugging OPS, and home run percentage, amongst people that have at least as many plate appearances as he does.
So, he doesn't have a ton of plate appearances, but he's really fucking good, and he's also excellent at making people angry. Yeah, he's pissing everyone off, and that's what it feels like. It feels like the Padres and the Mets have the team of destiny. The Indians, sorry, the Guardians and the Tigers series has been awesome because there's been great pitching, and Scoobal.
Do you have a Scoobal? You need a Scoobal, Max. Scoobal I would trust with my life. Yeah, we had a Scoobal that went seven scoreless on Friday, and then we brought in a bullpen that just got fucking shelled the second he came out.
Yeah, Scoobal. Yeah, we had a fucking Scoobal. Scoobal on Monday, that outing, where he was, like, there's just something about a guy who's shoving, and he's reveling in the moment, and he's like, he was almost like whooping up the crowd to get louder, and like every big strikeout or double play, it was just, I love it. That's the best part about playoff baseball.
Like, big home runs and aces to shove. Those are the two things. They all just fucking give it to me all day, every day. I also love how excited the Tigers are going to go back to Detroit.
Yeah, they should. They do. Shit. Sorry.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make that up, please. No, no, you asked. I did. You asked.
I asked. My only note from the pod game is that John Smoltz is everything that Tony Romo wishes he was. He's so good. Good note.
No, John Smoltz is elite. Like, he knows every pitch that's coming, he calls it out. I agree with Max. Hank doesn't know ball.
I like John Smoltz. I like him as a pitcher. He's confidently wrong more than we are, which is saying something. Well, yeah, but he's John Smoltz.
He's, like, talking about basically what he would be thinking, and he is one of the best pitchers of all time, so it's like, that's what he's saying. It makes sense. I'd rather hear that POV. Yeah.
My other note about Hank's five-year is that they got 16 straight outs after the Grand Slam, which goes and improves the point that Grand Slams are rally killers. You shouldn't hit them because then you get everybody off the bases, then it's hard to keep scoring runs. Yeah, but playoff baseball's been awesome because it was 1-1 all around until today, obviously. Mets up 2-1, and the Padres up 2-1.
And then the Royals go into the Yankee Stadium and steal one, and I just love... This is just Groundhog Day for the Yankees. Like, they're Yankees fans. Aaron Judge can't get a big hit.
Giancarlo can't run. They're just... It's just every year. The same thing happens, and they just...
They're like, where are the stars? Why aren't the stars hitting 100 home runs? And it would be very funny if the Royals, after all Yankees fans talked about everything set up perfectly for them, Astros are out, and who else were they scared of? Oh, the Orioles.
Well, they weren't scared of the Orioles, but they were like, oh, Astros and Orioles, gone. It's now just us versus AL Central. Would be very funny if the Royals found a way to win this series. I have a question.
Yeah. Is Aaron Judge a true Yankee? So, good question. I talked to our good friend Tommy Smokes last night, and I said, do we have to take Aaron Judge's pinstripes away?
And he said, did he ever have them? Yeah, I don't think he truly ever had the pinstripes, because I think what happened was Yankees fans gave him, they had the pinstripe discussion when he hit the most home runs ever in the history of the American League, but I don't think he ever truly got the pinstripes. So, he did have, I want to say, what was the postseason? He had a postseason where maybe it was when they lost in the ALCS to the Astros the year that they cheated.
I feel like he had a decent postseason for maybe a couple games, big hits. Yeah, I'm looking right now. In that Houston, he had three home runs in the ALCS that year. So, I feel like, and then the next year when they lost to the Red Sox in five, he had three home runs to start that series in a five-game series.
So, I feel like he was giving his pinstripes, maybe like, hey man, this guy's going to be incredible. He's been hitting a couple big home runs, but yeah, he's not doing it this year. I don't think he's a true Yankee, big cat, which is so funny to say, because he's objectively one of the best hitters of his entire generation. Maybe one of the best hitters, at least on pace, to be one of the best hitters in Major League Baseball history, but not a true Yankee.
Because true Yankees, they get it done in October. They do. That's a fact about true Yankees. Look at his calendar.
What does it say? It's October. I'm looking right now. His batting average in the playoffs career is 208.
Oof. Yikes. It's Mr. June.
He is Mr. June. So, yeah, I mean, I just, John Carlos Sandler, I don't know if they can do a designated runner rule, but they should think about it. The guy can't run.
It's crazy watching him try to run. If he tries to run, that's when he starts pulling stuff. Yeah. What are you going to say, Hank?
You want to predict the four games today, Wednesday? Yeah, let's do it. Ooh. I think Philly's got it.
Same. I think no doubt. Who's on the pump, Max? Ranger Suarez, who's the best pitcher in baseball in the first half, and he got hurt, and he came back, and he has, like, above 60 RAs in the back.
And you're going up against Quintana? Yeah. He's not that scary. No, yeah, we can win, but it's going to be a shootout, and we, like, didn't use our best relievers today, I think, in preparation for tomorrow being a big open game.
Okay. So, yeah, tomorrow's high leverage everything. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Is it a must-winner who can't lose?
All of the above. I mean, Both? They're going to lose, but they can't lose. Oh, no, Max.
And I'm going to be any sin in that fucking, I don't get, also, people say that. People are like, why the fuck did you go to New York? You're just going to lose in New York. You want to choose?
I don't get to choose where I go. Everything is a puppet. Here's a little behind the scenes of how Barstow works. Dave texted and was like, Max needs to be on the streams, and I said, we need Max for PMT, at least on Sunday, and we have some stuff we're taping on Monday, so he can probably be back there on Wednesday.
So the original idea was, Max would go on Saturday, and then he would fly back on Wednesday. After Sunday's incredible game, Dave texted me and said, I wish Max was on the stream, which was basically saying, hey, go talk to Max. I said to Max, you get to decide, but I obviously go. I said to him, if I were in your shoes, I would go, and he was like, yeah, I'm going to go, because he's a company man.
So yeah, he doesn't have much of a say. This is how we, these are the moments that make us different than everyone else. These are the moments that we have to capture, especially when we have two rival cities going up against each other. So credit to Max, he's a company man.
If Dave cared about his Philly speech, he would send you back. Oh, should I? I'll send that text in the morning, Max. Max, here's the thing.
Okay, go ahead. I'm willing to do whatever is asked of me, but I keep losing here. Okay, Max, think about this. What about watching in the hallway tomorrow?
Put an office chair in the hallway. You're technically not in a room. I'm fine with that too. All right, so try that.
I think that might change the vibes. I'm fine with that. Because you can still, they do have like the outside thing as well. And you can still have Max moments out there, like, and you can come in to make cameos, but I think you're sitting in Frank's seat anyway today.
Yeah, I mean, I was just sitting where I was told to be sitting. Yeah. Okay. Do you want me to send that text tomorrow?
I'm happy to send that text. I don't want it to look like I'm trying to leave. Yeah, you're right, because you aren't. Like, you're a company man.
Hank, you want to send that text? Want me to tweet him right now? Yeah, tweet him. He's not going to see that.
Tweet him. Well, we have to pick him tomorrow. We can bring it up. Oh, we do have to pick him tomorrow.
But that's probably not enough time for Max to get back. Max, book a flight just in case. We'll figure this out. Okay, okay.
All right, either way. Don't die yet, Max. Not play off baseball. Maybe we'll just watch it on the plane.
All right, so let's predict these games tomorrow. I got Phillies. All right. Then we have all four.
Yeah, yeah. I'm going Phillies, Royals, Guardians, Pods. Okay, I'm going to go Phillies, Pods, Royals, Tigers. I'm going Phillies, Dodgers.
Stop, don't do that. Don't do that. No, I get to go. I got Phillies, Dodgers, because I want to see it go back to L.A.
And also because you don't, you cashed out of that and Hank. No, I know. Listen, straight up, I want to see the Padres win World Series. No, no, deep down you don't.
No, I do. That's absolutely false. That's not true, Big Cat. It's not true, because I cashed that out so I could put the money on the Travis Hunter future.
Correct. You could have just posited a little bit more money. But still, you don't. I get the feeling of being right, though, if you were early in the Padres.
Listen, you can say whatever you want. I've done it before. I've cashed out of the future. I'm rooting 100% against that team after I cashed out.
You think I'm rooting for both you and Hank to lose your futures? No, it's not us. It's the fact that you cashed out. You have to root against you.
If you cashed out, you have to root against that team. You would root against your team. I'm telling you that I have done it, and that's human nature. I'm not doing that.
I don't feel that at all. Deep down, you don't want the Padres to win. No, I swear to God. I'm optimistic about things.
We're not talking about Jayden right now. Shut the fuck up, Max. I got the Tigers, then I got the Yankees. Yankees.
All right, Max. I will go Mets. I will go Royals. I thought you were going to go four Mets.
What? I was going to say Mets, Mets, Mets, Mets. Sure, yeah, I'll do that. Mets, Mets, Mets.
Let's do that. Let's make a graphic of all the picks. Yeah, let's make a graphic. Should we let Memes at least load a little bit?
Although we already talked about the Jets, but he's been in Jets land today. It's been a big day for his Jets. Memes, would you like to twist the knife? You are a Mets fan.
I am a Mets fan. This team is very special. That was a fantastic game today, but I'm afraid the Phillies are probably going to win today. And you don't want it to go back to the bank?
No. Mets, Mets, Mets, Mets. No, no, Phillies, Phillies, Phillies. Mets, Mets, Mets, Mets.
I actually want my prediction to change to the Mets, because now that I think about it, the Phillies are dead. No, no. Yeah, they are. They are.
We want to try to get Max back, but they're dead. I want Max to say. No, no. No, I meant I wanted to get him back.
I wanted to get his spirits back on. You don't want him coming back here? No, no, no. Just say in New York.
Yeah, so the Mets. No, the Mets win. Max is coming back. Take the week off.
What? What's going on here? What's going on? Just say in New York.
Whoa. Is everything okay? Yeah, what's going on over there? Yeah, what happened there?
No, just say. Just say. Is there like something broken that you don't want him to see? No, the Mets keep winning.
Just say in New York. Yeah. Max, you could definitely just come back and be like, I'm only one. And just sit right back down on the ground, right in the corner of the gambling and cave with your hands over your ears like a big baby and watch the Phillies win.
The hands will be over my ears regardless. Yeah. Okay, anything else for baseball? It's been awesome.
I love playoff baseball. Nothing like it. Pots are the favorites to win it all. Phillies are in dead last to win it all.
Favorites. The Padres are the favorites? Yeah. Well, because they're up 2-1.
I'm so happy. Not to win it all. Yeah, no, I know. They're up 2-1.
The only other team up 2-1 is the Mets and the Padres would have home field advantage. So it makes sense. I think they would. Yeah, they would.
Yeah, they definitely. What did the Phillies win at all? Plus 1,000. DraftKings.
I kind of like that. DraftKings. Max. The Bats just come alive.
Fight, Max. Don't let them get back to the bank. No, Mets, Mets, Mets, Mets. No.
When it goes bad, it just goes so bad. It was such a beautiful scene at Citi Field tonight. That sunset they were showing was incredible. Crisp in the air.
Yeah. Mets fans are long-suffering fans. I also landed at Citi Field, or LaGuardia, which is right next to Citi Field, and it was just a bunch of people flying in to go to the Mets game. And I was like, I'm literally looking at the game, and I'm flying here to go watch the game in a room full of people that aren't Phillies fans.
So that crossed my mind today. For the record, you're talking about the Mets fans. Yeah. Not Roan, Smitty, Gia.
Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I love the Philly crew today. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You have a good Philly crew, but you're playing an away game against... Correct. Because it is the Mets, the aliens of Barstool and the Mets crew. They're very entertaining, but they do kind of own that gambling game.
So you're walking into their place. Correct. Max, who's the most annoying person that's rooting for the Mets that's in that room? None of them.
Bosco. I'll say Bosco. Yeah, Bosco. Bosco.
Bosco. Oblose. Oblose. It was a weird-ass starting time.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no one knew about it. I don't blame Bosco. You didn't.
I had my time zones wrong, and I thought it was an hour earlier. But if it was my team, I would have had that thing printed in my brain. There. Ryder Hank coming up.
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