Tonight on 360 Donald Trump, the only candidate found liable by a jury of sexually abusing a woman's claims. He will be women's pepter and adds whether they like it or not. Also tonight, new scene at Battle Grand Polling, John King, who breaks it down, which joined by senior Harris campaign advisor David Plough, and Donial Sullivan reports on the step-by-step plans that influential Trump supporters are making to overturn the election in Trump loses again. Good evening, thanks for joining us for a second straight day.
The two presidential campaigns are sharing geography. The vice president tonight about to speak in Reno, Nevada. And after that, in Las Vegas, where Jennifer Lopez will be joining her on stage, Lopez just wanted many well-known artists of Puerto Rican heritage who are rallying behind Harris now, especially after one of the speakers at Trump's rally in New York on Sunday, cold Puerto Rico, and the exploding island of Garbage. Her Reno event is expected to begin shortly.
The former president is in Henderson, Nevada, and has an event with Tucker Carlson later tonight in Glendale, Arizona. He was also in New Mexico today, where he falsely suggested that he won the state twice. In fact, he lost by 8 points in 2016 and doubled it to 2020. But we're starting off with what he said last night in Green Bay, Wisconsin, which became the latest in several campaigns, San Bytes, not always from the candidates themselves, that have put one side or the other on the defensive.
About four weeks ago, I was saying, no, I want to protect the people. I want to protect the women of our country. I want to protect the women, sir. Please don't say that.
Why? They said we think it's very inappropriate for you to say. Why? I'm president.
I want to protect the women of our country. Well, I'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. Now, the reason these companies' advisers told them, please don't say that. It doesn't sound great.
It's very inappropriate for you to say that. It's because of what he said not long ago, and another rally speaking to the women of America. You will be protected, and I will be your protector. Women.
Women will be happy, healthy, confident, and free. You will no longer be thinking about abortion. So all they talk about abortion. That's all they talk about, those women, abortion.
Somehow, he's going to make it so you no longer even think about abortion. So here's what the vice president said about Trump's new remarks today, and Phoenix, the one's about in being women's protector, whether women like it or not. Simply does not respect the freedom of women or the intelligence of women to know what's in their own best interests and make decisions accordingly. But we trust women.
It's not why Trump's advisers might suggest he not go down the road for a small, as I mentioned in jury this year, found Trump liable for sexually abusing a woman. He is on tape boasting about how he could sexually assault women because he's a star. And then there's the denigration of any woman who opposes him or confronts him or just asks him a hard question that he doesn't like. He was by far the nastiest to Joe Biden.
There was nobody nastier than her. She was extraordinarily nasty to Kavanaugh. She was nasty to a level that was just a horrible thing. She was probably nastier than even Pocahontas.
By the racist attorney general of New York State, Leticia, Pika Boo, James. In the wings, they've got a local racist, Democrat district attorney in Atlanta. How about low IQ, Maxine Waters? Omarosa is obviously the ultimate villain and the nastiest.
I think it's a very nasty question when you ask a continuum of very hostile, nasty times. What a stupid question. But I want you to ask a lot of stupid questions. So lots of coverage tonight.
Starting with seen as Priscilla Alvarez in North Las Vegas, where Vice President Harris will be appearing later. So how much do you expect to hear tonight from Vice President about Trump's comments? Well, these comments play directly into the Vice President's core message about freedoms and more specifically reproductive freedoms. Most of them indicated that she has an edge on the former president when it comes to women.
And so that is what she's been playing into over the course of today. She started responding to this in the morning. We have seen that already at her rally in Phoenix. We expected again in Reno.
And then again in Las Vegas. And the reason for that Anderson is because this is an issue that's in your campaign officials believe reproductive freedoms in particular is one that will galvanize voters to the polls. They saw it in 2022 and they expect to see it again, particularly again with women. So when the former president makes remarks like this, they are happy to seize on it.
And recently we've seen the campaign deploy a strategy of rapidly responding to the former president, especially when he makes comments like this. So certainly here in Las Vegas, we are anticipating that the Vice President is going to mention it again and continue to do so over the next several days. Because in the moment like this, they are focused on mobilization. And if they can use comments like this to mobilize voters, they're certainly going to do it Anderson.
The vice president has seen kind of a rallying of very well known artists of Puerto Rican dissension for Lopez and the Senate is going to be at this event correct later in Las Vegas. That's right. And this was a bit of an unexpected boost. I've been talking to sources in the campaign about this because what we saw over the last several days was Latino artists coming out in full force to support the vice president after those comments made at former president Donald Trump's rally in New York City from a communion of ceiling Puerto Rico.
And that has given momentum, especially in the Puerto Rican community. So the vice president and her team have been trying to build on that through ads, but also to try to appeal to Latino voters. They are crucial, of course, in a state like Nevada and also in Arizona. But in Nevada, the vice president is pretty evenly split with former president Donald Trump in the polls among Latinos.
She is trying to gain an edge here, especially a day before early in person voting ends. That ends tomorrow. Mail and ballots will continue. And then in person voting will commence again on Tuesday.
But the timing here is no coincidence. Jennifer Lopez in particular has been very outspoken since the former president's rally. So we may hear more from her today on that, but certainly this stop here as much as she has been trying to appeal to women by criticizing the former president's comments. She is certainly also trying to play here for Latino voters, knowing that the polls show them pretty split.
Yeah, for celebrities. Thanks so much. I'm going to invest across the partisan spectrum, Dan Jones, Gretchen Carlson, David Axelrod, and Aaron Preeny. Gretchen, how this phrase that Donald Trump used, whether they like it or not, how do you think this is landing?
Well, thank you for coming to me first as a woman who fights for equal rights for women and to stop silencing women and have done so for the last eight to nine years. This is highly offensive. I think what's so ominous about the way in which he said this that's different from when he said it a month ago is that this time he said whether they like it or not. And let's be clear, there's a long history of Trump being accused of doing things to women that they probably didn't like.
So, case in point, he took away Roe v. The majority of women in this country did not want that to happen. Number two, more than a dozen women have accused him of sexually assaulting them in some way. I'm sure they did not want that to happen.
Number three, he said that because he was a powerful man, he could grab women by the pussy, excuse my French, and that they probably wouldn't care. And number four, he was convicted of sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll and is going to owe her millions of dollars. So I don't want to just say this because it's Halloween tonight, but this is the Handmaid's Tale.
And women on Tuesday may be looking down the barrel of a real life Handmaid's Tale. The whole comment about, I did think of Hand's male tale, Hand's male tale. You know, he's kind of like, women will be happy. They will be healthy.
They will be free. They will no longer have to think about abortion. That's all they talk about right now. He read that off a prompt or two.
Who writes that? I mean, much less than what he says, but it reflects, I think, an attitude. It's interesting because he's saying this just at a time when the Harris campaign began a very impactful ad on abortion rights and reproductive rights, with video of him, you remember back to the first campaign when he said women should be punished, who have abortions and Chris Matthews was doing that interview, asked him again, you know, so you think women should be punished? Women who have, and he said yes, they should be punished.
So that is, you know, aside from the sort of, you know, the juxtaposition of how he behaves and what he says, there is this patronizing tone to it. And that back then was like shocking, but it seemed impossible. But now what we've seen in the country, it suggests that he's followed through on his belief about that. Aaron, I mean, it's also just interesting that Trump, you know, would just flat out say, yeah, his advisers warned him against making those comments.
But I guess he thinks this is a sign of his brilliance or strength or I don't know what, that he goes ahead and makes them again. I'm not quite sure what the strategy is behind it. I think the strategy and the closing days should be talking to voters about what matters to them. I feel like I've been saying this for months.
Apparently I'm just on repeat. You need to be talking about the economy. You need to be talking about immigration. But also let's remember here that while we're talking about Donald Trump's comments, there are still comments coming from the other campaign denigrating women.
I heard Mark Cuban today say while he was sitting on a private jet that Donald Trump doesn't have any smart intelligent women around him ever. I think Susie Wiles, Donald Trump's campaign manager might vehemently disagree with that notion. I think Laura Trump as the RNC co-chair might disagree with that notion. And I think Linda McMahon, the head over at America First, which is the policy portion of what Trump's team is trying to do, might disagree with that notion.
In the closing days, both campaigns are going to be taking these clips and moving them aggressively to try and drive out more voters. That's what everybody is going to do. And if you heard Donald Trump today and you're a Republican and you're a woman, you said, yeah, he's going to be my fighter. That's what I signed up for.
And if you're a Democrat or you're a woman that's leaning against him, you're going to say the same thing. That's the guy I completely expected to see there. And now it's about getting the message out. Obviously Mark Cuban writing on a plane, he is not Donald Trump.
This is the candidate who wants to be president. Mark Cuban, I guess, is a surrogate or a supporter of Harris who's out there just speaking. I hear what you're saying. And Joe Biden is defending president of the United States.
Right, who immediately tried to clean up what he said, which immediately tried to clean up what he said. It doesn't change what he said. I, voters can make up that decision. But this candidate has never tried to clean up what he said.
He has now just repeated it again. That's a problem. And I think that doubling down is a misstep by the campaign. It's not a problem for a candidate ever to acknowledge fault and to admit change for any candidate in any situation.
Yeah. Then LeBron James, I think, has now endorsed Kamala Harris. Is that a big, I think it's a big deal. And I do just want to say it with the risk of being controversial.
I do think that women need to be protected from people like Donald Trump. I mean, Donald Trump is exactly the kind of person that women try to protect themselves from. Someone who has no respect, who has no regard, who won't listen. And so, and I think that Mark Cuban should not have said that, but he may have been thinking about Laura Loomer, one of the things thinking about the women that were just a discuss.
But LeBron James coming out is a big deal because the ad he posted is so powerful. I mean, he posted an ad that if you, if you're an African American person and you were thinking about thinking about thinking about voting for Donald Trump, you would probably keep your mouth shut at the dinner table because the ad he posted goes after every single thing has come out of Donald Trump's mouth that would offend any self-respecting of black man or woman. And it is a, I think it's a very big deal. And there's a lot of tension on him right now because his son, played with him, so LeBron James always dominant is even more down in the public public mind.
Is that an ad that's put out by the Harris campaign? I don't know where it came from. I've never seen any place except on his thing. And he wrote, what are we even talking about here?
I am proud to endorse common. Do you think, is it too late? And do you think, you know, I guess it's, if it's aimed at black men, will people actually pay attention? Because the black men that we're most worried about are probably not early voters.
And so I do think that there are a number of younger African-American men who have not gone to vote. And so you're going to see a big, just like you're seeing a big push in the Latin community, you're going to see a big push in the black community. You know, the folks are very, very passionate about Trump. They've already voted.
You're very, very passionate about commonly probably already voted. The people who might vote for Trump have not voted. And this is a, I encourage everybody to look at LeBron's ad and other people, you should be doing ads like LeBron James. David, I want to play something that JD Van said on Joe Rogan's podcast.
I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote. Oh, sure. They just wanted to be left the hell alone. And now you have all this crazy stuff on top of it.
If you are a, you know, middle class or upper middle class white parent, and the only thing that you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale, like obviously that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper middle class kids. But the one way that those people can participate in the DEI bureaucracy in this country is to be trans. Okay. So the idea that people are having surgery, you know, get into these colleges.
I mean, I know parents will go really far to get into a good school. And JD Van's by the way knows something about, you know, using your, you know, using something to get away in. Yes. He got some preferences because of his background and his story.
You know, but also I also love that I guess gay people are now accepted by, this was to me, I was like, Oh, JD Van's thinks there's normal gay people. So I guess that's, that's sort of progress. But I'm curious to know what the different, how, where the line is between a normal gay person and a not normal gay person. I mean, the question is that I'm assuming I can guess what it is.
Like, you know, anything related to drag, I guess in, you know, that drag, you know, wearing as much makeup as down Trump wears, that would be considered not normal. It's fine for Donald Trump, but on a gay guy, that wouldn't be considered. The other point is the one that Aaron was making. Is this the way they want to close a campaign?
Is this really what they want to be talking about? She was right. His campaign. I mean, they have been running these trans ads, but they've also been focused on the economy and immigration and so on.
And all of these detours are not the way you want to be closing a campaign. And it, I mean, I know a lot of normal gay guys. I haven't heard a lot of them breaking this way. Yeah.
Is there any advance to know some too? As a parent that just went through the whole college process with two children, I just have to admit that I never thought about having them be trans to have an upper edge to get into college. So I think that's a disservice to people who go through this personally within their families. I'm sure that, you know, it's not easy because of the way that you're treated when you come forward.
And so to say that people are actually going to go through this process to get into school is crazy. And I just want to point out, in case JD has forgotten, you went to Yale, there are no shortage of upper middle class white kids at our Ivy League schools. This idea that if you're upper middle class white kid, you cannot get it. Please go to Ivy League school.
They are everywhere. That is not happening. Legacies. Exactly.
It's something that have the last name of the building. Which, by the way, yeah, me. Actually, I don't Cooper, but... Van Jones, Gretchen Carlson, David Axelrod, and Emory, thanks so much.
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They both have the reason for being there. The race can hardly be closed or no clear leader in CNN polling there from Tuesday and there are no CNN numbers out tonight from Battlegrounds Georgia and North Carolina and other polling from Michigan where CNN's John King is tonight. So what did the polls show about enthusiasm for the candidates in North Carolina and Georgia? Those new polls are fascinating.
I said all these polls in every state are showing a dead heat. So what do you do? You look deep into the polls to try to find any clues you can about what the dynamics are in the final days of the campaign. Let's just quickly take a look at North Carolina.
Remember 2020, this was Donald Trump's narrowest win of his red states. Right? Joe Biden was pretty competitive there. So it's on the board this time for the vice president and then Georgia of course famously 11,779 votes.
So what did we learn in these new polls? Look at this when you come out here and you look at the enthusiasm for your candidates. You're voting for your candidate or you're voting against your candidate. A lot of Democrats are only in this campaign.
We're saying they were voting against Trump more than they were voting even for President Biden when he was the candidate. Look, the Trump bases for Trump. We've known that since 2016. You see those high numbers.
But this is interesting. These are better numbers for the vice president that we have seen in other battleground states. Essentially 70% or more than two thirds are first reported states to vote for her. Not a vote against Trump.
Now why is that? North Carolina and Georgia have two of the largest black voting populations. That is the Democratic base. They were energized by the switch to Kamala Harris.
They are the key if she's going to pull off wins in those states. That is the key. And you see, they're enthusiastic. They're in it for her, not just against Trump.
And what about her saying about the Biden administration's response to Hurricane Helene, which obviously impacted both Georgia and North Carolina? All right. So this is interesting. Look at these numbers and I'll bring them up here.
You see the high disapproval. It's not a majority, but it's a high number in the 40s. 44% in Georgia, 47% nearly half in North Carolina, disapproving of the Biden administration's response to the hurricane. Now why is that?
You've covered it on the program. There's been a lot of misinformation, a lot of disinformation, and frankly, from President Trump and his allies, a lot of lies about the administration's response there. If you talk to local officials on the ground, Democrats and Republicans, they will say the administration has done a pretty good job. They're always sick ups, but they've done a good job and they've been on the ground getting supplies there.
47% in North Carolina, disapprove. Well, guess what happened today in North Carolina? The Harris campaign went up with a new ad from the popular Democratic governor Roy Cooper, talking about his relationship with her and saying in the end, she will help the state recover from the hurricane. So the Harris campaign clearly sees these numbers and is trying to deal with it with that new ad.
And in Georgia and North Carolina, is it statistically tied here or overall? All the battlegrounds. Every one of these battlegrounds. I'm going to flip the map here just to show you and come up to our race to 270.
You see all seven of those, all seven of those yellow states on the map, those are the battleground states. They're all within a point or two, no clear leader. Our polling shows the vice president a little bit ahead of Michigan and Wisconsin. Other polls on your average, essentially shows this is within a point or two either way.
Even if you have a two or three point lead, you're still in play in the final day. So that's what makes this where five days out, and that's what makes this race so fascinating. And you're Michigan tonight, the fourth stop in your five day tour battleground states. How close is the race there?
Again, look at this one. Here's a brand new one from the Washington Post tonight. 47 for Harris, 46 for Trump, right? So again, statistically, that's a tie.
It's a dead heat. And again, as I said, I'm a broken record on your program, but I always say average them out if you can. Don't invest in any one poll. So if you look at the scene, then poll a poll.
That takes the five most recent reputable polls here in the state of Michigan. We're talking about this a little bit later in the program. I can talk about being on the ground. People, the Democrats here feel better now than they did even just a few weeks ago when I was here.
Again, though, statistical tie heading into the final five days, not just here in Michigan, but across the battlegrounds. Here we go. John King, thanks. John, I'll be back shortly with a report on Michigan voters that he's been talking to over the last year.
Join us now as Harris campaign senior advisor David Plough, who should mention ran former personal policy 2008 campaign. So David, do you see the new poll numbers, Georgia, North Carolina? I mean, at this point, do you do care about, I mean, are you paying attention to these polls? Well, I try not to pay too much attention to any poll.
That's not our own question. So, but I think our data is consistent with what the public data is and I think what probably the Trump data is, which is a close race in seven states. I would just point something out on one of the reasons that we're optimistic is let's say your poll, our poll, we think a race is 48, 47, 47, 47. That's not 100% of the vote.
So the question is the people who've not yet decided who to vote for, who are actually going to vote. In our senses in the last week, the people who made up their mind in the last week, we're doing quite well with, and we like the people who've yet to make a decision in terms of who they look like from a data perspective and what they self-report in terms of who they're more likely to vote for. So that's important. In the early vote that we're seeing so far, we are on pace in all seven states to reach the number we think we need combined with Election Day Tournament.
But it's very important to look at who those undecideds are. Obviously, a campaign like ours has a lot of sophisticated data. We look at this every day. We do quantitative research, qualitative research.
But as we look at how 100% of the votes can get allocated in these seven battleground states, we think we have an advantage of the Trump campaign. Looking live vice-versa and Harris at her event in Reno, comments like the ones that Trump made about protecting women, whether they like it or not, his rally this on Sunday with the deeply offensive comments to Jews, black people, Latinos and Puerto Ricans, do those have an impact this leading the race? They do. It's a terrible way to close the presidential campaign.
And what's clear to me is Trump will go out there, you've seen Anderson the last day in complaining, having temper tantrums about things that aren't true in Pennsylvania. It's because I'm sure he was briefed by his team that they don't like the Pennsylvania numbers. He gets briefed that he has real trouble with women voters. We saw this in 20, we're seeing it now.
This is how he reacts in a way that doubles down and exacerbates his problems. So yeah, and listen, we spend a lot of time with voters. We're at their doors. We're in our communities.
We also do a lot of qualitative research. We're listening to these undecided voters every hour of every day. And the Madison Square Garden thing really broke through because what I learned in politics is when something is consistent with what people think about you, they think that he's about chaos, and division. So that doubles down.
The other thing we're picking up on under CNN that spends some time on this in some of our discussions with undecided voters. This notion that not notion, Trump said he's going to put RFK, Jr., in charge of all the healthcare in the country. That greatly worries these few percent of voters who haven't yet decided to vote. A, because they don't think RFK should be in charge of our healthcare.
But a driving part of this race, Anderson, is people are concerned that all the people that tried to check Trump last night are now speaking out against him, warning the country that it would be dangerous. And he's going to be surrounded by the RFKs of the world. And that very much concerns these voters who are still making their decision in these closing days. Well, Speaker Johnson, yesterday or two days ago said no Obamacare.
He's now trying to walk that back. Do you buy this theory that sort of whispered by some, I guess, pushed by some, that there may be large numbers or a significant amount of women voters who support Harris but are not saying so publicly in their families or to pollsters? Well, listen, we're being very conservative in our own data. I think we've learned that in 16 and 20.
We get Trump a lot of strength both in terms of his turnout and a support score so that we can run the kind of campaign overcome that. But yeah, I think if I'm surprised by anything on election night, it will be that differs than the data we're all seeing is that maybe we do it better with women across the board. And obviously, they're more than 50% of the vote. We're seeing they're turning out in large numbers in early vote.
So I think there's potential for that for sure. And I think that would be with independent women voters and Republican women voters. So in comments like Trump made yesterday without protecting women, whether they've wanted to go not, it's like now is on a chalk vote for these voters. David Pluff, thank you so much.
Thanks, guys. Go ahead. Next, how the so-called stop the steel movement, which let's be clear is based on lies and misinformation, is gearing up to challenge the 2024 election results with one supporter. The former president going so far as to say quote January 6 is going to be pretty fun.
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It's like how much theft can they get away with in order to prevent Trump from winning? Do you think he's going to win? If we have a fair election, yes. There's no way he can lose fairly.
Fairly there's no way he can lose. Maga World is preparing its followers for a stolen election. We're just going to announce Harris as the winner. We're going to go, we win again.
And now try to stop us again. And what's different this time is we're going to be able to stop them. Anything anybody here know I'm coming up, ready to take this nation back by any means necessary. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're laying out step by step plans to overturn a potential Harris victory. Because they're not random Trump supporters. These are influential figures in the Maga movement. It's all going to depend on what they end up doing and a plan is strategy for every single opponent of it.
And then January 6 is going to be pretty fun. Many of them like Ivan Reiklin and Michael Flynn have huge audiences online and are involved in election denying groups that have spent millions of dollars furthering election conspiracy theories. And we should know by Tuesday night by about nine or ten o'clock at night that one party won. Election officials across the country have explained that we likely won't know the full results on election night.
So conspiracy theorists however that is a sign of fraud. In this case, I strongly believe that Donald Trump, if this thing is a fair election, he'll win all 50 states. No, if it's legit, we don't have to worry, right? Well, who thinks it's going to be legit?
You think they're just going to give it to you? No, there's going to be a fight. Reiklin has encouraged people to pressure their state representatives not to certify election results if they suspect fraud. We try to play fair.
They steal it. Our state legislatures are our final stop to guarantee a checkmate be prepared on January 1st to apply the maximum motivation to your state reps, state centers in North Carolina, he and another right wing activists are going as far to say there should be no election because of destruction after Hurricane Helene. They say the Republican control state legislature should decide which presidential candidates gets their electoral college votes. We don't have to do this popular vote in the state sufferer, this federal election.
We don't have to do it. You got 120 house reps. How many of those are Republican? The majority.
How about a significant majority? So then how is the House body going to likely vote with your motivation? For the Republican nominee? What about the Senate?
Majority. The idea is fringe and is extreme, but a Republican congressman endorsed the idea at an event with a vote of $100,000. You got this in French, 25 counties. You know what that vote probably would have been, which would be if I were in the legislature, not because we have to be in the legislature.
Before eventually walking it back, the idea that the only way Harris can win is if the election has stolen is being pushed across hundreds of maga, media outlets and from the former presidents himself. Because they cheat. That's the only way we're going to lose because they cheat. And it's convincing his base.
What if the results show that Harris won? Do you think Trump will accept that? I don't think anybody will accept that because we know it's going to be a lie. But if it's what it is, it's what it is.
We'll go from there. We'll have to see what happens. I don't think that Trump will lose. Do you think he won last time?
Oh definitely. What happens if he loses? If he loses? We're all going down January 6th.
Don't even sell them. It joins me now. I mean a lot of the people who are pushing this, Mike Flynn, these guys are making money off this, right? Oh they sure are understanding.
I mean we even spoke last night about how Rudy Giuliani and the Pillow Guy are selling coffee and pillows and everything else. So look, there is money. There's money made in this riff, money to be made in selling fear. And also a lot of these folks are also telling their viewers that the Fed is about to collapse, the dollar is about to collapse, therefore put all your life saving into gold and silver and you know, the Alex Jones is of the world selling people to buy freeze-dry food.
But I think what's more important here is the money that is behind, like these guys that you're seeing in that piece, the degrees of separation between them and the Trump campaign, there's not many steps, right? They are involved in groups that have tens of millions of dollars behind them collectively in terms of challenging integrity in elections and pushing a debumped election conspiracy theory. So these guys are serious. Don't go so much.
Thanks so much. I mean I was in New York Democratic Congressman Dan Goldman. It is remarkable that all these lies that were told four years ago, which disproven for an out of court, nothing to it, are just being repeated now. Yeah, the difference is they're very specific right now about what, how the, not necessarily about how the fraud will happen, but that there will be fraud and there is fraud without specifying what it is of course.
But this is before the election, before the election. So the difference is this is a very premeditated plan. They have filed lawsuits in numerous courts because they ran into problems last time in their view with standing, meaning that they had no claim to actually make that there was fraud. So they're filing all these lawsuits preemptively so that they can then follow up.
It is clearly a much more sophisticated scheme and is much more well thought out. And it could be worse this time because it's more sophisticated and more well thought out. Worse is hard to say. I, I, I think that it is going to be more advanced and more sophisticated, whether, but I also think the states are better prepared.
Certainly, Congress tried to shore up some of these rules with the Electoral Count Act of 2022. There's no question that this is the plan and you hear Trump laying the foundation for it already. And just the notion that a, that Kamala Harris cannot win a free and fair election is so preposterous. The, I want to play something that the former president addressed to Mike Johnson at Israeli and Madison Square Garden the other day.
I think with our little secret, we're going to do really well with the House, right? Our little secret is having a big impact. He and I have a secret. We'll tell you what it is when the race is over.
Speaker Johnson released a statement response saying by definition, a secret is not to be shared and I don't intend to share this one later on in the downplay. This thing is secret actually about get out of the vote efforts. Do you have trust in the leadership of the House to ensure the results of the election? I have trust in the leadership of Hucking Jeffries to certify the election.
I have no trust in Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson was the architect of an Amicus brief that tried, went to the Supreme Court to try to overturn the last election. And he has been very clear that he is ready, willing, and able to serve Donald Trump. The more interesting quote in response to that statement was from the Trump campaign.
They said, oh, the little secret is just about teller rallies that Trump is having with about get out the vote. First of all, if he's doing get out the vote by teller rallies, he should join the 21st century. They're much better and more effective ways of doing it. But more importantly, that's a very routine and standard thing.
That's not a little secret for somebody who doesn't turn over his medical records, doesn't turn over his taxes, has secret conversations with Vladimir Putin, et cetera, et cetera. So when my spide years went up because when someone gives a completely implausible explanation, it begs a lot more questions. And if Mike Johnson is the speaker of the House, he could do a lot of things to mess with the certification of the Electoral College. Last time around, it was focused on Vice President Pence because Nancy Pelosi was the speaker of the House.
If it is the Republicans who have the majority after Tuesday, they're all better off as to what they would be willing to do. The president Trump can count on you in his support and selection. Trump struggled with young voters in 2016 and 2020. And especially after Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. ended his campaign and backed Trump. I've heard a lot of young guys say how important RFK was to the President Trump vote. Ever since Trump brought RFK onto the team, a lot of young voters really like that.
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Jay Gray is a progressive organizer, former co-president of the college Democrats here at the University of Michigan, back on campus to encourage early voting. We know that when we vote, we win. And we frankly, we're getting a lot of people out to vote. Gray's optimism is a big shift.
This is our fourth Ann Arbor visit in a year. Back at the beginning, she was down about President Biden's prospects. And later, she was worried Vice President Harris would still lose too many young voters because of student anger over the Israel Hamas conflict. Have you guys voted yet?
Okay, yay! Thanks. But she is upbeat now and credits a mix of constant organizing and a smarter approach from the Harris campaign. It was not just the candidate that switched, but it was really their whole approach to the campaign.
And leaning into this idea that memes and internet culture is a, you know, a mode of communicating about politics has totally transformed this race. And I think will be, you know, one of the biggest reasons to, one of the biggest things we should credit, I'm saying when, but if she wins. John joins the game from Ann Arbor. So what do the culture would say matters to them most when casting the vote?
It's interesting because there has been a shift. Now you hear about student loan, you hear about the economy, you hear about the objections to Trump and his rhetoric, his rhetoric on LGBTQ issues, his rhetoric on immigration issues. They think the Vice President is younger, they think she's more hip, more interesting. On the internet, if you heard Jay Gray there say there at the end.
It's a very different mood. You heard Jay Gray at the end there. My first trip here, Anderson was a year ago. This is my fourth trip here.
She was a lot more despondent then. Biden was the candidate, she was down. Even after the switch to Harris, she was still in about her chances. Much more upbeat now because of activity on campus.
I just want to quickly bring in the wall and just show you. So we're in Washington County. That's where the University of Michigan is. Earlier today, we saw that young Republican voter, we were up in Ingham County.
Both of these counties are big, blue counties. And on the college campuses, you see a lot of early voting, you do see a lot of energy. And look, this is a very tight competitive race, but the Harris people feel better now than they did just a few weeks ago. And how does the war in Gaza play into all this?
Well, that's a fascinating question because remember, I came back from one of my pieces here and I was with you in New York on the set. When we were here, there was a big encampment and there was a big protest, not only against the University Administration, but against the Biden Administration. And that carried over against the Vice President. The University won't allow encampments anymore.
So you don't physically see the anger. I was talking to Jay Gray because she does a lot of online organizing. She says you do still see something online, but she has convinced many of those students are still going to vote for Harris, even though they're angry at the administration because they think Trump would be even worse on those questions, Anderson. John Kane, thanks.
Next, I want you to hear from a remarkable woman. She's 93 and surviving sent to Auschwitz when she was just 13. She's my guest and the latest episode of my podcast, All There Is. You'll hear from her a moment about how she survived and how she lives with the unimaginable agreement.
New episode of my podcast, All There Is, is available now wherever you get podcasts. You can also point your cell phone camera right now at the QR code on the bottom of the screen to listen to it. I talked this week with an extraordinary survivor of the Nazi extermination camp Auschwitz. It was originally something I shot for 60 minutes.
Irene Weiss was deported to Auschwitz along with nearly half a million Hungarian Jews in 1944. 80% of those people were killed immediately in gas chambers. Irene's parents or three brothers or little sister Edith, they were all murdered there. Irene and her older sister survived.
Irene was just 13 years old in the grief. She's felt while she's felt that her entire life since then. The 13 year old girl that you were, do you still feel that little girl at times? Or do you bury her early on?
No, that's a good question. That's really a very good question. I'm stuck there. I'm really stuck there.
That's really the biggest fight. And that's where all the grief is. Have you been able to cry in subsequent years? Still not.
Still not. People say broken heart. The harp keeps working. But the soul never forgets.
There is a soul that does not forget any of it. It's imprinted on the soul that keeps the memory, the pain, the grief. It's just always there. You can hear more of the conversation.
It's available right now wherever you get your podcasts. Again, you can point the camera at the QR code on the screen. Another way to access it is to go to cnan.com forward slash all there is online. It's our new online grief community.
You connect with me there and others living with grief. You can leave comments, share your own experiences with grief and watch a video version of that podcast and all the other podcast episodes. You're also available on the CNN channel on YouTube. That's it for us.
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On my podcast, all there is we explore grief and loss in all its complexities. As Ken Burns said on an earlier podcast, the half life of grief is endless. Riska Hargatey knows that very well. Jane Mansfield was killed in a car crash in 1967.
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