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Trying To Do The Right Thing, Dan Cummins

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Right. Okay. Three, two. I'm all just totally moving.

Do any move? Yeah, we get back to the top. Welcome to the show. Did you know that your mom is off?

Hell, hell yeah. That's how you start a show. My guy, that was great. Yeah, you should do that.

Oh, fine. Yeah, I just, mine is just, I just talk that and I feel like I should start to my show. When you talk, you do, I feel like you're more interesting. That's where I kind of drop off after the intro.

You have a good voice, man. Yeah. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, that was, that was, for a second, just for a second there, I thought he was lip-sicking.

I'm like, that'd be so weird though. Wouldn't it, man, if I could get like Sebastian Buck to sing the intro, but it's lip-sicking, man, Ells got really good. That would be, that would be worth it. Just hit new notes.

Yeah, maybe for the April Fool show, we'll get Sebastian Buck to cut a version. I wish we could get Sebastian Buck to do anything. He's great. Do you think he still has the upper register?

I think he does. He still performs. Yeah. And are you staying out with him a little bit?

Like I went to his house for like a birthday and stuff? I think we were kind of broing out. Yeah. I think, you two do edit at one point.

We did? You may not recall this, but you all say. Oh, we did the intro of the same business. Yeah, we sang Monkey Business together.

Man, I wish I had that. Eh, you know whose voice has held up so incredibly well. He didn't have the range obviously of Sebastian Buck, but Mick Jagger, the new Stones album? I'm like, I think it's really good.

80 years old. Yeah, it's. I'm trying not to grade on a curve. No, I get what you're saying, Dan Cummins, by the way, welcome back to the show.

I'm trying. It's weird that all the people who were good for a long time, who then forgot how to be good for a long time, are weirdly kind of not that bad again. Come back around. A lot of it has to do with this producer.

I think his name is Andrew Watt. He did an album with Ozzy that was also like a solid C plus top to bottom, which is pretty good for late era Ozzy. He's the front man, Whisperer. And now he's kind of just making the rounds of.

How's he doing that? What's he sacred? Is he auto turning these fools? Well, I think it has as much to do with the songwriting as it does with the performance.

I think he's good at imitating those bands at their best and helping them remember how to imitate themselves at their best, which at this point, that's all we, nobody's expecting the Rolling Stones to go a different kind of psychedelic. We just want a half decent album that maybe could have come out in 1978. I was just saying, I was just saying, we should be secret with it. He knew exactly how to hold their balls in a special way with one finger in their butt.

But really, no one else can replicate it. He just feels it out and they're weird about it first. They're like, no, this feels right. This feels like you're tapping into something.

That's like me with finger blasting. I don't think that's what's gotten him this far, but at this point, I know that his phone is blowing up for every washed up old person. So if you wanted to try to convince Steven Tyler, but that's what he did. He's so great.

I guarantee you, he's in it. He's in it. He's going to get what? You're just going to get him to believe.

If he believes, he's going to let you finger him. It's half a bottle. Might not be that hard to talk Steven Tyler into. Grab your balls and figure it out.

It wouldn't have been the first time to show up there. Steven Tyler's new album is fucking terrible, but he's like never come harder in his life. It's probably not a procon. Yeah, I think he'd be willing to make that deal.

I mean, he had some hits that's just jizz. Yeah. Well said. So Dan was new and excited.

We've not seen you in several years. We've been doing a lot of change in our life. A lot of change in our lives. We've been lifting weights on steroids.

I am doing the test out on therapy. Yeah, me too. Yeah, low levels. Me too.

I feel so. Yeah, me too. Me too. I feel a little shot in the butt once a week.

I do it more now so that I don't go down. I do it like every three days. Keep it more consistent. Yeah.

I don't know. Yeah. I'm hoping I've been getting back on the gym a little bit, but I want to get back a bunch more this next year. You do.

No. Well actually, I do. I do. But not in a field form because it was bouncing out my levels.

Yeah. I was doing that and then I taught Andrew Huberman and he asked me how much I was doing a week. And I told him he was like, you don't need that. It's not going to do any because it's to stop any things on your movies or whatever.

He's like, you're not doing enough to get that. And since I stopped doing that, I found to have a lot more energy. I thought like, I'm not going to have low beams in her cares, but I was pretty tired. Yeah.

I've been tired lately, but I like we're talking before this. I don't know how much of this has been going too hard. We're just kind of like really, really just kind of burn out on traveling so much, researching so much and then feeling like it was just this never ending treadmill of just only always doing that. Yeah.

Do you go on vacations? I'm like, I'm like, I'm working vacations. Like I research half day, every day on vacation. So I'm like, what am I doing?

Yeah. Well, at least you asked yourself that question. What's the answer you came up with? Well, now I pause my post-bone, my tour next year and I did go with some of the Patreon content I was doing on Time's Up, which was scary, but I was like, it was a weekly commitment.

I had them like, you know, I got to scale back because I can just feel like I'm with the audience too that like, you know, I'm still putting in the time, the research. I'm still trying to excited about the show, but there was like a passion that wasn't there anymore that they were starting to pick up on and I was feeling and it is interesting and then I just pulled back and then get a little more rest and see that light in the tunnel. The shows have been like much better and I'm just, yeah, it's like that, they can just feel like he just, I don't know, that I just feel happier when I'm doing that and just, yeah, really excited about like doing less but doing it better next year. I think people can tell even if they can't put their finger on it when you're just going through the motions a little bit when it's a little bit obligatory, you know, if you're not trying to, you're trying to psych yourself up and pump yourself up, but if you're just like inside, just like fuck everything.

It's hard to push past that. Yeah. I'm sure Kelly, I'm sure Kelly, feels like that every single morning and she just goes out there and sells it. But there are those people like those very robotic where it's like, they are, like they figured out a way to behave on the camera or whatever and then just replicate that kind of like a factory worker.

If you started full of baloney, then if you phone at home after 10 years, how's that any different? You have full of baloney in the first place. Yeah, absolutely. It's different when you're pouring your heart out and then you pour your heart out for 10 years and you're like, man, I hate to say it because this is my passion, but I hate pouring my heart out right now.

Right, right, exactly. And I never wanted to be, you know, I got into all of this. I never wanted to be somebody who just did it for money or whatever. Yes, that's part of it.

But I'm like, I picked it because I was passionate about creative expression. And I'm like, well, I started thinking thoughts like, you know what, I'm just going to do this one more year and then I'm just going to work it like Starbucks or something. And I'm just going to go into all these rock bottom. Why Starbucks?

I work there like right. Go back. And I'm like, okay, I can just be on the other side. What's your thing at Starbucks?

What do you handle? Just work on the laptop. I don't work for that. Oh, I thought.

Yeah, but I thought you're going to make frappuccinos with people. That's what I was thinking in my head. I'm like, I'll just get out of entertainment and just do a job where I can memorize how to do a few drinks and then I leave work at work. But I was going down like that's in my wife's like, you're crazy.

Yeah, that's crazy. You have a really good setup. Exactly. You just need to take vacations and not bring your work with you.

Exactly. You need to actually take a break. Just live some life and already just knowing that I'm just starting that process. I mean, you make it better, right?

Yeah, no, it's great. No, everything's going to take a break. If you go to kids. Yeah, yeah, kids.

How old? My son's 17 and my daughter's 15. Same with my daughter's 18 and my son's 14. Yeah, it's almost the same.

Yeah. You can take it. You can take a break. 100%.

100%. I just gave myself such a weekly workload. And everybody goes, like that's what the fans like when I pull back on the thing, I expected my brain, I expected everybody be like, well, he's not given everything as he was before, so fuck this guy route. Not at all.

Yeah. They're like, man, no, take some time. Which fans are kind of how you are, you know? Yeah, they're cool.

Like, I feel like you're a decent human being, and you kind of do see that. Even when you're not trying to talk about it, which I don't say you claim to it. I'm pretty obvious over the years I haven't known you. So that's kind of your fan base.

Yeah, I was a people who are like, I have many grades to break. Yeah. Like, people need breaks sometimes. Yeah.

I get that's called like a considerate human being. Yeah, they are. Yeah. So, yeah.

So, I'm excited now. So your latest special is called trying to get better. Yeah. Why?

I don't want to think you could call it your special, did you call it that? I just pick like a line. Every album has been or special has been just a line from the material. So I don't name it until it's all done.

And that was just a weird little bit in the middle, but also it felt like it represented the whole thing where it's like I talk a lot about like how the culture's gotten really polarized and a lot of these extreme voices. And I'm just trying not to add to that problem and trying to like introduce some reason in critical thinking and, you know, a sense of like let's just calm down everybody culturally like with the special, making fun of the left, making fun of the right, and just like this place that like we should all be able to talk about anything and not get so angry and be able to laugh at each other. Yeah. I communicate with our old boss and mentor Will Pendervis, who's a massive fan of yours.

Oh, that's nice. And says to say hi. And that's one of the first things he brought up about you as Dan said that's not like Dan doesn't care. I do.

Well, I will. He will. I will. I don't care.

But that guy when I got a chance. There was. Don't love. So he also brought up that you are doing enormously powerful and substantial charitable things.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We, uh, my wife has taken over most of that, but I started it. We're just like a early on.

I decided that, okay, we needed X amount of dollars to cover operating costs of having studio and having some employees. And I was like, you know what? And then so from this number on, we're going to give 20% of, you know, whatever we make to charity. And then pretty soon, like, uh, we had enough patronage.

Well, I'm like, well, we can give 20% of all of it to charity. And then we've just done that ever since. And so I think what charity we do a different one every month so we can spread it around. So you never do the same on twice?

Once we've done the same one twice. So how do you find them all to be like proper? You got to, you got to research. Yeah.

You got it. Right. Yeah. There's some scams out there.

Oh, 100%. Yeah. You've done one for the Tony Hawk Foundation, skate park foundation. No, but that's a good one.

Yeah. It's called the skate park foundation. Now he took his name out of it, but I want to go right now. So I forget skate parks for like cities that have no money and, you know, it gets kids off the street.

It's pretty interesting. It's a skate park foundation. Yeah. They got, I can't remember how much they've raised, but it's, it's pretty decent.

They've done, they built skate parks in countries where they didn't have ground, well, dirt and they made a skate park for these kids. That's so cool. In Pakistan, I believe it was. They worked, they worked with a foundation called Skita Stan.

He's Tony's stepson. Oh, very cool. So he's a little bit more tied in, but yeah, I followed them and I followed the skate packer standing and now there's kids that can rip from him building that skate park a few years ago. Like, yeah, they made, it made, like there's a kid I saw that was doing like half cab hillflip down a rail and I was like, okay, I can't do that.

Did this guy just figure that out in the last three years? Because I think that's how that went. Yeah. And there's like little girls, how's it go miles?

There's like little girls are like, they don't, they don't have nothing. Yeah. They build them in low income neighborhoods across the country and then they wear both other charities outside of the country and do their own also outside of the country. It's pretty awesome.

I mean, and I never like, you know, got into skating. I wish I would have. I was also jealous of it. And now I noticed the skate parks all over.

Yeah. And we, we did a vacation this last summer, like the Norwegian fjords and we went up to the very top of Europe, like way up past Arctic Circle, whatever is the northern, most little fishing town, Badass Little Skate Park. And I was like, that's so cool. Like way up on the top of the world.

Yeah. That is awesome. They're there. They're there.

It's a good way to target, you know, kids who might turn out bad. I'm not saying people get into skating are bad people, but like I think most of them, but most of them, but almost almost almost almost almost a few more. I think about the kids skating wasn't really big in my hometown growing up, but there were kids who did it and the police, it was like they're hobgy to the way that my wife chases like flies around the living room is the way that the cops would chase these kids around and eventually they were like, Oh, okay. I'll just go home and do heroin.

Right. What weird thing to be mad at? Like over like what a rail like or what the rails not gonna have the right amount of paint like who gives a shit. Right.

Like it's like your like, they're not, they're not driving. They're not running around bulldozers. Yeah. I would get in there like a group of bulldozers.

You were like jumping bulldogs. I might want to say something. Yeah. It's a little dangerous, what if you bulldoze it over to my kid?

Exactly. You can't say that we were gonna murder your kid from skateboarding. It is a very, I always, these days, it doesn't happen because I don't really go out there, but if I do get told off to skateboarding, I'm always a little more intrigued as to the mind behind the eyes of the person that finds that so irritating. Yeah, like I'm like, because when you're older and you're doing it, you know, when you're young and you get yelled at by somebody on the street, you kind of just assume that it is your fault.

So I mean, back when I was a kid, I might be like, it depends if it's a guy, I'll probably turn him to go air far for something, but I'm pretty standoffish, or I definitely feel guilt. Yeah. As soon as I hear that, I go, oh no, cause I probably did, you know? Wasn't that a molder when someone says something, like with a group of other skaters that are younger?

And someone's like, hey, blah, blah, blah. Am I really? Right. Like you're probably the same age as me.

Is it really, is it that, are they ruining your day that bad? Like you could just keep walking, you know? Was a kid like so much of like what you perceive as good or bad, you know, it's so subjective and just told to you, you know, and then as you go, like, wait, that wasn't bad? Or that wasn't good conversely, whatever.

But I think that's funny as I get older, just the things I was taught as a kid, like don't do this and do that. Or you know, like this is terrible. One of my things is later in life, I've gotten really into psychedelics and research it and all that kind of stuff too. And it's funny, like my mom and dad still are so worried.

Like my dad is convinced partially that I'm like some junkie now, cause I'm into like, you know, shrooms mostly, but also DMT and LSD. And it's actually really, there's all these studies like Molly and things of like how good that stuff can be for you, if you do it around. I've done MDMA therapy. Have you really?

Yeah. That's awesome. I've looked into it, like I know, Switzerland and stuff, they've done it. It was heavy.

I did like a bunch of stuff of me being molested. Wow. Like a lot more that I'd blocked out. But it helped you right in the moment?

It helped me recover from it because not only did I, I feel like if I had have recollected this scenario sober, yeah, probably would have thrown me pretty hard. But after the scenario happened, then the person that did this to me, it followed him to his room in the guilt that he had from the mistake that he'd made me at the time feel sorry for him. Wow. So it took the empathy so strong with that stuff.

It took the anger away from me. Because I was like, it's not, it happened to him. He didn't know any better. You know, he didn't know the damage that he was doing.

I really do believe that. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's disgusting, but it's not, but it's his, he had to live with it. You know, like I'm, I didn't do it.

I got it done to me. So I'm not a bad guy. Like at the end, if I can get past it happening, I'm okay. He's screwed.

Cause he did it. He knows he did it. Yeah, but he can never take that back. Yeah.

So I just remember at the end of it, I was like, I, at the right at the time, I was like, you're accepting this because you're high. Cause you know, when you do Molly, you're like, Oh, but I wasn't, I wasn't, oh, this doctor had put me in a state of just recollecting my childhood in a really crazy way. And then he also helped me, like, how do you think about that? How are you going to resolve this?

Like in the middle of me recollecting it. So do you do multiple sessions with it? It was only one. I didn't want to do anymore because I was like, if there's any more of those, I got the picture.

You know what I mean? I don't need to know if you did it a couple more times. Yeah. Yeah.

That was, that was, you know what I mean? Like I said, the drug helped me get past it, but it's still every now and then when I think that it happened, I was like, man, you know, like I had no chance. You do that to a kid, they got no chance, man. Yeah.

Yeah. So I was just, I was just, I did work. And I did I was good as well. Oh my God.

I haven't done that yet. I smoked TMT. Yeah. I did that before I did.

I was good. It's kind of like a three second. I was good. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Exactly.

Yeah. You go to the same place, similar places where you're not there anymore. You're just getting a direct visual of you being somewhere completely different. You want to do that this next year?

My wife and I go to an eyewaskets trip. Yeah. I love that. But you're going to go to like Peru or whatever.

We don't know where coach. I was wanting to do that, but I didn't have the, it was when I was still working at Syria. So I didn't have time to go to Peru and just do, I was good by myself. And my wife at the time didn't want to go.

And I remember thinking, you're going to hate being there by yourself. Oh, yeah. Having like all these discoveries. And then you're in such a, yeah.

But luckily one of the guys that lives there fell in love with a girl that lives in LA and he came to visit her. So he stayed at my house for three days and gave it to me three days straight. Wow. Yeah.

So it's very, very fortunate. Yeah. Yeah. Have you haven't done that?

I've done, have you smoked that? Was it five M E O D M T that towed venom? No. I've done that once.

I'm I want it again. Past all of it. I was actually going to go on a mushroom journey. I had some therapists, but he just kept saying weird stuff that made me not trust him.

But he just didn't seem right. You know what I mean? Like he had like advice and then he gave me the advice the next week, the same advice. And I was like, yeah, you already told me that.

Yeah. And I'm like, wait, you're going to give me a listen and check. No, man. Sometimes you might not be able to get me out.

I don't tell you that he can't. It's that I've lost trust. And I can tell if you don't like somebody, yeah, don't let them give you mushrooms, dude. You ever just do it just for fucking around?

I was like, with great. I mean, I do have mushrooms. I do like I have chocolates. Yeah.

So sometimes I do like one or two chocolates before I do stand up because I feel like it gets me a little more creative and I'm still trying to work on an actual routine. Like I don't think it's good every time I get up there. I'm like, you need to find an actual joke. I'm just a storyteller.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to do those. Sure, sure.

So I try that stuff and every now and then I might do three and I'll be like, hey, I got little fleshy things in my hand. But that I don't like that's as far as I get. I don't want to go. I couldn't do it on stage.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like tripping out. It's so much about it's work.

I'm getting a doctor is giving me trippy stuff. Like I said, this guy was going to give me these mushrooms. It's not I was. It's not as heavy.

But I remember like I want to do it because I want to get past some stuff, but I'm not with him. I like a I don't know if my wife likes as much because she ends up being my default babysitter because she doesn't like to go as deep or as I go. But she does go. But she'll go.

And more now if we're at home, she'll go a little heavier. It's funny. Whenever she trips, she just like cocoons up. I'm like pacing around.

Yeah. This is all I want to know about because my wife is like my best friend. Yeah. I will fucking never take psychedelic drugs with my wife.

I have no interest in it whatsoever. I could consider doing it. But like I can give you reasons. Yeah.

But I don't think I even like need to she's losing up. She was again for a while there. She would be sober. She didn't like the thought of it.

And I would be well part of it is like the first time she was truly around me when I was I had taken quite a bit of acid and I was like a gone gone. And so I don't remember like the peak of the trip. But but afterwards she was like no, I was fucking terrifying. She's like you were a mental patient.

She's like I don't want to do that. And I'm like, yeah, I did too much. But if you did a little bit and I just talked her into like doing a little bit of psilocybin too bad, she doesn't like DMT. But she's like Molly and Shrimps.

I think that's as far as she'll go. But I like I like seeing what I can get away with in public like in a concert. Like I want to see the dead and on acid. And so I was proud of myself.

Like I just scaled back and I did enough to be like on the edge of like what the fuck is happening. I find some of us. That's pretty good. I never like I'm just gone to limit your like.

Yeah. Like you can't see how gone I am. And that gives me confidence to just stay gone. Yeah.

Because if I my eyes are pretty give away when I'm fried. Yeah, because it's all pupils. Yeah. And I'm like, what the hell you want to be like dude come on man.

Like don't make me analyze it. Yeah. Let me just live in it. You know, I tell myself too much.

I was proud of you guys. Some tripping balls. Yeah. I'm like, hey, I'm sorry for weird.

I'm like, they don't even know. I was worried about my wife's 40th birthday with a big party for on Saturday. And I just was just kind of like down or whatever. It's not like a hosty mood.

And so I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to do Molly. But it was like my grandma and mom and stuff. And it was fucking great.

Because I was just so happy. I think they were just like, man, Danny's really he's up. Yeah. I think I'm going to try that.

I think ecstasy is the gentleman psychedelic. Like I'm going to be really tripping. You don't really trip. You don't see anything.

Like if somebody like put a gun in my head is like you need to give your mom a psychedelic drug. It's just got to be ecstasy. That's the same. I feel like it's got the lowest ceiling but the highest floor.

I don't even know why it's classified as a psychedelic. I feel like a separate thing. Is it? It will show up in like list of psychedelic.

I know you do. Which is weird. I don't know why. And listen to Pantera, my eyes closed on the floor.

And I saw all kinds, like a laser light show to the music. That's cool. I've never had any visuals or anything with it. I just mean like it's not the other ones because it's not a speedy drug.

It can be but that's not the right thing. If it's speedy it's because it's got speed in it. But you can get that. Like hey guys, let's go outside and play with some balloons but it's not primarily that.

Speedy drugs are primarily that. It's not primarily a downer. You could. I think I'm going to call it just so great.

It's a sweaty drug. It's not primarily that. It's mind expanding. To me that's what psychedelics are.

Yeah. Yeah. It makes me sweat like crazy. That's what I worry about people noticing that I'm a sweaty guy anyways.

But I sweat like fucking crazy. I don't know here so since I started sweating I don't think that. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going to get people to sweat. Yeah. That's why sunglasses man. And I usually get people going, why you got sunglasses on the middle of the day?

I'm like I'm high. Don't have to tell them anymore than that. It just went. Smell really weird.

When you're sweating. I can see it. I have and I've always said it. I have normal sweat working out fun sweat and then I have fear and I smell different.

It's the only B.O. I get I don't really get B.O. even if I don't wear deodorant. But if I have a lot of anxiety like if I'm doing stand up or like flop sweat things that make me nervous you know because I'm lacking in confidence you know or you know like the other day I did a 540 in a demo that day because I.

Oh you posted that right. Yeah. My brain was thinking about really doing it that day. Yeah.

So the whole morning I stunk because I was in fear. And then just how we can our mind affect our body that way. Yeah. No it's fascinating.

Yeah it really is especially when you know what's happening and you can tell yourself right now relax it's happening because of this and this. Yeah. And it's like not it's to me I think it's because I'll get the same uncomfortable feeling before a fight or before I drop you into a contest ride. It's the same thing with cars or every time I race cars it's the same little thing and it's like for a second you could ask yourself especially when you get older why am I doing this.

It's like this but it's so cheesy but there's like a you know if it wasn't that much if it wasn't that important there wouldn't be that sick feeling. The sick feeling is because this really means that much to you and if something really means that much to you you're alive. Yeah but yeah best stand up shows I've ever had the ones where I was felt like I was going to throw up before just like so anxious if I'm too flat. Yeah.

Is that not that they're not that good. They're lacking that little special magic. I heard that like feeling you get in your stomach is your body like moving blood away from your vital organs. Weird.

Because it thinks it's like I'll be in trouble. My balls shrink up when I'm going to do something. Huh. What a weird like biological holdover from our.

Yeah. We're running around and changing stuff and then there's often very often the evacuating whatever residual poop may be hanging around. Yeah. You got to take it before five go to take a ship five for sure.

Yeah. It's not right if you don't know. Like I wonder what the evolutionary reason I guess like when we like we're a little faster when we're running from all over. Can you really measure how fast you can sprint.

I think the the mark if it's that important to you that's the winner. Like if it's two people competing in anything if that person cannot lose the can't. You can't fuck with that person. We're on paper.

Rocky uses to drag out 10 times out of 10. It's weird. I don't know if you knew that, but he did. That's why I'm so impressed by athletes like you know fighters but also like football players whatever who you know make it to the top of the mountain so to speak and then are able to stay there for a long time.

That's another little trick to your stuff. Like if I won fucking I'm taking time. I'm chilling. Yeah.

Tony Hawk's of the world. We're like I'm winning everything and there's nothing like it's not tomorrow. It's everything from here on out. I'm running it.

Yeah. And that attitude means that after the contest they stay. Yeah. They work on tricks after the contest.

Tony was a perfect exam. I think about it like with boxing what Floyd Mayweather where it's like to be undefeated to like into later in life and stuff when you have so much money you have all the accolades but to still train hard enough and to respect your competitor hard enough to keep winning. It just blows me away. We're like Tom Brady towards the end of his career to like to still care that much.

You want that you want that tomato? Right. Right. You didn't focus.

You couldn't just go you know what it's it's July. Yeah. I don't have a tomato. It's the love.

I don't think I've seen anybody loves gay putting more than Tony Hawk. That's beautiful. Yeah. So it's not wise.

He's so good because he's had a crazy like he's 55. And when he broke his leg last year when we would do the show he would walk around the outside of the ramp so that he didn't see the ramp. Wow. Because he knew he couldn't skate because he's like spoken 55 because it would be painful just to see it.

Like if I said I skated he'd be like you skated today and then be like I maybe feel like saying no. Right. He's right. He asked.

Yeah. And he's like oh it was a good and I'm like oh shit did you're 55. Like fuck me dude. That's awesome.

But that's you know that also I learned from him that because I always thought when I knew him he was the greatest skateboarder in the world he was a freak which meant he had a certain talent that none of us had. Yeah. But now from doing the show and talking about his childhood he wasn't good at all. He just went all day every day.

He was the first person to if he did well in a contest after the contest he skated. Every time I ever did well in a contest I was hammered within seven minutes of getting my pads off because I did well. Right celebrate. Yeah.

And it's just look at how you went and look how he went. It's like that's what it that's the difference. You got to you got to be obsessed. You got to be possessed by it.

Yeah. If you want to be the best right literally the time. Like I said before if you love it the most that's the winner. Yeah.

So I think he's the one that loves skateboarding the most so far because if you got to put his years in too. Like when you love it for the first ten years when you're 14 to 24 you don't have no live you know the tax problems of go shut up right when you're 55 you know you've lost family members you got like kids taxes all kinds of stuff on your plate and you're like I cannot wait to go skate. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. After I mean it's he 45 years of like this is saying that's so admirable. Yeah. But it's but it's proof because I watched it.

So it's not like in a book or anything I'm like this guy it is it and that is how you do it. I would have assessed lately they're inspired by this guy Michael Hearn. He's like a bodybuilder like a fitness guy but he's like around 55 as well as you do. Is his head ugly?

No. No he's actually like he's like natural but it's like he's does his power body which is strength and bodybuilding. Yeah. But supposedly all natural and you look at your own he's really young he's just a bigger guy.

Yeah. But he looks good looking dude handsome. He's handsome. Yeah.

He's evil handsome to me. Is Michael Hearn more handsome you guys have do you guys have different looks. He is isn't he. No you're not.

You got the ball. You got the ball. No you can't do that because it's all different types and I get it. I'm only for a few select ladies.

No. Oh man. Where are you pulling? Oh yeah.

Well I mean. But I have been known for I have. But like but he's still he is so dedicated and so. I appreciate you considering what is the hottest.

Oh my wife all point I'm like dude look like a man crush and I'm she's like look. He's pretty good. Well no just you don't like dudes that big. Oh well I don't.

I love it when ladies do that thing where they say I don't like guys who are too in shape or too handsome. It's not a day. But I think it's true because I know girls who will not date those guys. Yeah.

Yeah. I was like a dude when I was in college he was like the big guy at our gym. And I'm like oh talking to one of my girlfriends about this guy and she was like oh yeah he asked me on a date and I'm like oh you go and she's like no. She's like I don't like that.

Like it freaked her out. Like it made her feel like I don't know that if he went and ate shit there was nothing that she could do or something. I don't know. I mean I was I was a kid playing with him and I figured so I'm like there's like a real life he made figure.

Yeah I get it. You know one of my favorite stand-up jokes that I've heard in years I don't know how recent it was on your Instagram somewhat recently where you say from head on I looked like I worked out. Yeah but from the side I look like I should because of the baby. Right right so true.

It's right here. This is what I really want. You drink a lot. You drink a lot?

No I don't think I eat a lot of sweets. I call it quite late in my shoe. I got divorced so I'm like depressed so I was like let's just get in shape because food's not like really fun anymore and then I got a friend staying and she really likes candy. She's younger.

So I haven't even. How young is candy? A fish and that. Wait not illegal.

I know it is funny to add the word candy like if it was like you know she likes like you know pastry stuff. And you got to try this. But specifically candy is like what we talk about. It's like you mean Halloween was huge for an adult.

Yeah. You can't stay on the ante. Stop. Stop.

People don't get jokes anymore. And you're in California. Shut up. That's all.

That's all there. That's all there. I was wondering when you qualify it. Yeah I mean she's an adult in California.

She's like well anyway I decided that you can't eat sushi. Oh man I should have thought I have so much more discount candy I could have. Oh you guys see you've got your. I got it.

I bought a lot of candy for her. I can't be bothered cooking so I just keep eating candy. Dude I was at Ralph's grocery store the other day when they announced all the Halloween candy is now 49 cents a bag. You got 14 bags.

Just a principle. You have that. I have this like trove of this vault of candy. And then when it's time to bust out of the candy you'll be laughing Michael.

That's right. Not the people that bought it today. Yeah. When I think about those Chilean miners got caught in that mine.

Well you're eating candy. They only have $6. Man tastes so much better. I bet you they really enjoy this candy.

You know when I first went off that's the only association is just you like you just think that man I bet he would have had this candy in that mine. You've been telling me he has a big feast he thinks of the guys in the cave. Those guys would have loved this. Yeah Chilean miners.

Well so like that sort of situation was not unprecedented. I think some of the guys who were in there had even been in other ones that lasted like a day or two. So like as soon as it happened. Maybe good to have there.

The elder dudes were like. The boss makes nothing deal with. Sure this. We're about to cigarette should be over in no time.

The elder's going to die. We're going to die. You don't want that guy. Yeah.

Yeah. No a couple of guys like immediately as soon as they realized what was happening ran to the food. Okay guys. And we need to be on top of this before they ran over inside eating it.

No. No and I remember they for some weird reason they had like I think like more treats than food. So for a while there they were doing like a kick cat like left or right not both. Yeah.

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