TS 10: 3 AM

In the third and final episode in their Taylor Swift retrospective, Ellie and Carrie examine the seven songs that comprise the 3am Version of the Midnights album. They discuss the artistic differences between songs produced by Swift collaborators Jack Antonoff and Aaron Dessner and the merits of pop versus more naturalistic music. They pull excerpts from Taylor’s highly personal, thoughtfully constructed NYU address and consider the role Taylor continues to play in their sisterhood and young/not so young adulthood. This episode features voice notes from two loyal listeners and the discussion their reflections inspired. Topics explored include Taylor’s anglophilia, miscarriage as metaphor (TW), the role of fate versus free will, the intractability of emotional trauma, and a brief meditation on the 2020 film Promising Young Woman (spoiler alert!).