Someone's got to do the man from another place dance because Lord knows he ain't doing it anymore. That's right. Not in his current state. Yeah, he looks like he's doing okay though in his current state.
It's got a good thing going. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, it's doppelganger, real son of a bitch. Oh, well, yeah.
You know what I'm answer with that guy. You really don't. But it doesn't seem like you can really determine when like you can't. What are the triggers that you set him off?
Yeah. Unclearing. Unclearing. Hey, speaking of unclear, this is the unclear hour.
That's what we should have called this. But really, it's called Antoine Peaks, a reference to a commercial from 22 years ago, probably maybe more. Probably I think more. Is that late 90s or early?
Is it poster pre-9-11? I feel like that's a pre-9-11. That may have been the last thing that happened before 9-11. It was just like, we're going to live forever and drink like beer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we had a 9-11. Everybody's like, we can't talk about twins anymore. Is that?
Oh, wow. Wow. That Osama bin Laden fella ruined it for everybody. Yeah.
We had a Osama bin Laden. Thanks a lot, man. Couldn't even have sexual fantasies about twins anymore. Biological systems.
Anyway, it's a gross beer commercial and we're Elder Millennials, so that's our frame of reference. And this is actually a Twin Peaks podcast. We're on the return. We're on part two of the return.
Also, I'm going to call it episode two, like a normal guy instead of part two. I don't cotton to that. Yeah, part 12. Come on.
All right. Well, actually we don't count the first three episodes. Those are episodes A, B, and C. Shut up.
Grow up. Season three episode two, AKA part two of the return. But shut up if you said that. Would it be fun for a show to present its episodes out of order on purpose and present them that way as if like, oh, this is episode one of season three.
And then next week you're like, wait, episode seven? Wait, what's going on? Did they fuck up? And then it just throws everyone off.
It would be kind of fun, but you couldn't like, there couldn't be any sort of like deeper meaning to it. It would like, I relish the idea of a guy being like, I rearranged all the episodes into chronological order. And actually, if you watch it that way, it doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah.
Yeah. I like the idea of ruining someone's good time. Destroying fan theories in the womb, basically. Yeah.
A boarding fan theories, again. Yeah. And that, of course, is one of the many ways that we are pro-abortion. So many ways.
Many ways. Raises more questions than it answers. Yeah. You mean more than just two ways?
Yep. Oh, yeah. And in time, the whole world will understand. And for the rest of the episode, I will be reading from my manifesto.
Oh, geez. Um, Dan and Rob here, of course. I'm Rob. I'm the agent Cooper of the show.
Rob, of course, really more of a, what's his name? Mr. C. More of a Mr.
C. Or Ben has things. Sort of wild. You're the wild child.
Sure. Or Bill Hastings. I think it's a bit. That's okay.
Oh, gosh. That's okay. You're nothing like him. You're nothing like him.
I hope. Me too. You're sort of the Bill Hastings. I'm sort of that guy two cells down.
Covered in soot. I'm doing the face. Yeah. Whoa.
Many floats away. Yep. Like that guy? Yeah.
Like that guy. Not that scary. Mostly funny. What about Laura Palmer?
Did you think her whole thing when she flew away was scary? I thought it was funny. Yeah. It's a little scary.
I think, uh, only because she's screaming directly into camera. Sure. Yeah. She's always doing that.
Uh, and it's like, uh, I guess the implications of it are very troubling, right? I suppose, but good. You know, I mean, we're talking about a hundred times. So diminishing returns, you know, but getting sucked off and well, not sucked off.
But let me rephrase getting sucked up into who knows where right falling into oblivion, getting sucked off into oblivion. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Sure. Yeah. There are places beyond the lodges. Oh, yeah.
Or nonplaces. Right. Places that don't exist. Yeah.
Non exist and. Oh, I'm gonna get a real beans problem here. Um, and again, if you're new to the show, that's Rob's cat. It's my cat beans.
He doesn't, he doesn't have a, he doesn't have a traditional beans problem, like too many or too few. Right. Uh, maybe he'll love, you know, I don't care about. Uh, so this is episode two, um, more mysteries, uh, presented, of course.
I'm loving all these, not getting any answers moments. Do you like them? Really? No, I won't, like, I won't like one answer per episode.
Sure. Instead of just, you can raise 10 questions, but just give me one answer, please. Yeah. Uh, well, I mean, we do, I mean, I don't know if it's an answer, but we get, um, a little bit more, I'd say filling, uh, as far as like that glass box in New York City, right?
Yeah. Um, and we'll get there, of course. We'll talk about that in a little bit. I have full faith and trust in the creative team behind this project.
Sure. I believe they know what they're doing. I have to. I have no choice.
Right. Uh, so we pick up with, uh, our old friend Matthew Lillard. Yep. And we'll talk about the real Hastings, the, um, vicious murderer and body reassembler.
We think. Yeah. We suspect. Yeah.
He was arrested for the murder of Ruth Davenport, uh, of course. And, um, yeah, his fingerprints are all over the crime scene. No good. Not a good look.
Oh, well, real Italian serial killer vibes. Was that before we were started recording? I think it was. I think it was too, but whoops.
But yeah, for listeners, uh, don't worry about it. That's my nickname. Yeah. And soon the whole world will know.
Um, yeah, we pick up with Bill in his jail cell, just really, uh, sort of self soothing. He's, uh, taking his fingertips, running him along his head and then restarting. Yeah. Uh, it's this, uh, yeah, this is like classic, uh, Davey kind of stuff where it's just like, there's something so unnatural about the way he's doing.
It's very like, uh, ritualistic kind of, um, so he's sitting there doing that and his wife who, uh, had her, her dinner party ruined. Yeah. Can't stress this enough. Yeah.
Shows up. Yeah. Phyllis. Yeah.
Phyllis. Um, and she, she takes a turn here. This now we're watching this. I mean, we're recording this episode one day after we recorded our Lost Highway episode.
Yep. And like, we don't know really anything about Phyllis at this point, just that she had her dinner party ruined and that is like a huge focus for energy as her husband's being taken away and handcuffs. Yeah. She's really pissed about ruining the dinner party.
Yeah. And to focus here as like, um, you know, uncaring and even like two timing, yeah, uh, it makes that stuff make sense. But it also reminded me of Lost Highway when Alice sort of just like switches on a dime on, on Pete. Yeah.
Yeah. And this is like, um, I think, I don't know, based on what information we have about Bill, which is that like it doesn't, it's not clear whether to what extent he did the murdering, like how much he was in control of that. I feel like he's like more sympathetic here. Uh, at this point.
Sure. I mean, so when Phil's goes to visit Bill, he is like, you know, he's in sort of a panic state, of course. And he had a state of course, of course. Yeah.
I didn't kill Ruth that of course. Or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, of course, uh, and he's, and he's like, he's talking to Phyllis, like, uh, you know, please, like you have, I didn't do this, like, please, you have to believe me. And she's like, um, you know, she says, I've known about you and Ruth for a while now. And he, like, he also, he like snaps and he gets like, I really like his performance from Willard because it goes from like desperate and like super vulnerable to just full of rage on a dime.
And he's like, he's like, I know about you and George, his lawyer and it, and at least one other guy. He's like, maybe even another one or something. Yeah. Um, so, and she at this point is like full on, this is like soap opera acting.
Yes. She's just like, you're gonna, she's, you're going away for a long time. Yeah. Yeah.
Shoulders shaken. Yep. And so yeah, Bill knows that he's not going to get any help or sympathy from his wife. When she leaves, she's walking out and she, and George is walking, George, his lawyer walks in and they see each other and they start talking.
And I think he says, how's he doing? And she says not well, he knows about us or he knows. And George is like, uh, and she's like, don't walk me out. Good advice.
And then you see, uh, Bill in his cell and the camera sort of dollies to the right showing other cells. And at the end, there's a, uh, a cell with a man in it, uh, who is just covered in head to toe in like black, what looks like black foot. Um, yeah, he's just the dirtiest guy. He's like, so white, wide eyed and his eyes are so white.
Um, it looks like, uh, in a cartoon when they're in the dark and you just see the eyes. Yeah. And then, you know, and then that guy loads away sort of like, uh, disappears and like, he materializes and then re materializes floating away. Yeah.
Um, Dan, any guesses? This guy is, it's all pretty clear. You don't know. It's all pretty cut and dry.
Okay. So my fear is that it's Cooper. I don't think they do them like that. I pray they want to him like that.
But I do at least think he comes from wherever Cooper ends up at the end of this episode. Gotcha. Okay. I like it.
You know, like in that, in the non-existent place, yes, because much in the way that Cooper is sort of like, seemingly just going to be popping in and out of existence. Yeah. Right. Um, but of course we'll get to that.
Right. But yeah, I don't know. Obviously I don't know. No, I know.
That's why I'm asking for a guess. That's it. It does a little bit in a little bit evokes like in a fire walk with me when we see people painted like black and white, right? But more white than black like when it's wheel in, I think we will get more at certain points.
Yeah. Like white and their lips are black. Yep. It's giving opposite of that.
I guess. Like literal opposite. But yeah, so it does kind of like the, it's different enough that I think like it's got something to do with this new place or nonplace that we're learning about. Like it.
All right. Am I right? I'm not going to, I can't tell you, man. That's how I know I'm right.
It's the wrong. It's I know. So, uh, I'm very clever. I'm a clever young boy.
Um, real, uh, encyclopedia brown over here. Is he a kid detective? Is that what he does? Yeah.
Yeah. Are you seen that movie? The detective. It's encyclopedia.
No, what is that? I think it's yeah, the kid detective, uh, with, uh, Adam Brody. I mean, Adam Brody. Um, he plays, uh, a grown up kid detective.
Like a kid, he was a kid detective. And then like something real actually happened. Like a girl that from his school actually got kidnapped and he was trying to, when he was a kid, he was trying to solve the case. You know, oh, um, I need to take this one call.
Sorry. I was about a job. Ah, or attending a pocket, starting a new podcast. Yeah.
Oh man. By the way, I had a joke I wanted to make last night. It doesn't really apply anymore because I feel a lot better, but I remember when I was telling you, uh, when I was batting, playing baseball, I got dinged on the elbow. Pretty bad.
Um, I wanted to make a joke that they were going to have to, uh, like give me the last Paul treatment and set it, you know, but I'd have to get it set so that I could podcast. I need it. I need my elbow locked in the angle that I can adjust the boom stand. I have to be able to adjust the boom stand.
That's, uh, the most important thing in my life. I need my arm locked straight out so I can press record. Totally. Yeah.
That's funny. Yeah. Are we here? Uh, we were, of course talking about, um, Phyllis's two timing.
Oh, you were, you were denying, denying, denying that I have a pretty good handle on what that guy in the cell was all about. Yeah. Um, you sounded like OJ, RIP, uh, the way you were just denying obvious truths. Uh, but yeah.
It's so funny to pay respects to a dead murderer, like a notorious, uh, murderer for the past 30 years. A guy has been known for, you know, uh, just the one thing that he did at that time. Yeah. You know, all of the, you know, RIP two, I mean, my favorite.
Uh, actor in the make it gun movies, of course. OJ. OJ. Yeah.
Um, so Phyllis, so Phyllis, uh, she leaves, she goes home and when she walks in, who's standing there in the dark, but Mr. C. And, uh, she says, she says something, uh, like, what are you, what are you doing here? Uh, but not like she says it almost like it's like fun and flirty.
She's like, I was thinking, Oh, yeah, basically. Mr. C. Yeah.
She's like, so the way that she says it is almost like, uh, oh, I didn't expect her to do you, you know, so soon or whatever to be here. And then he says, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's like, he says, you followed human nature perfectly. That's it. Yes.
You followed human nature perfectly. And then pulls out a gun and says, this is Georgia's gun and shoots Phyllis, uh, through the head. Yes. Folks, we got a head wound.
We do have another head wound. Davies, Davies just racking up head wounds. Yeah. This guy, the bodies are stacking up.
Um, interesting head wound also. When we see it, it's like it has this sort of, uh, slight glowing, uh, aspect to it, like around the edges of the wound. Hmm. I didn't really, I didn't really clatch that.
No, uh, it's, it, I don't know. It just, it seemed to shimmer a bit. Um, so I thought it was unusual for like in a, in a super, a supernatural way or like it was just like a trick of a light kind of thing. I thought I was supposed to be played as a supernatural thing.
Um, you think he's got, is it some sort of men in black style gun? Unless it's just a light, uh, lighting of the scene. I think, I think that was done on purpose there. Um, and then from there, uh, we go to Las Vegas.
The thing with this episode too, I feel like a lot, there are like contained sort of scenes, like, like that's all we get about Bill Hastings and Phyllis and all of them for the time being, right? Uh, then we go to Vegas and, uh, what does I call it? Wages. Uh, loss wages, lost wages.
And we see, uh, we're in the office of Duncan Todd played by dance favorite actor Patrick Fisher. Uh, I like it when he shows up. I mean, he's really, he's good. I know he's good to me that one time when he's scared behind me.
Yeah, he's scared me so bad. I mean, he didn't his friend though. Yeah. But it's like when you see someone throw up and you throw up, he got so scared that I was like, I am so scared.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and he, he calls in his assistant, Roger and hands him a stack of money. And he says, uh, to tell her that she has the job.
And Roger asks why, why Mr. Todd lets him make him do these things. And, and Mr. Todd says, uh, you don't ever, or like, just, you never hope that you never get involved with someone like him.
Right? Pretty scary. Uh, yeah, we're in like, we're in like a very fancy looking office in Las Vegas, which I call lost wages. Right.
Uh, the gambling that takes place there. But like, you know, Vegas known for being sort of like a dark heart of the known universe. Um, and like the people who have money there, like what's that? Fuck people's name running it.
Yeah. There's like, uh, this thing like Sheldon Adler or something. Who is that? I don't know.
There's like a, Adelson is who Sheldon Adelson is his name, but he's like, he's like one of those guys, like a Vegas guy who's just like, he's famous for bankrolling. Um, basically both political parties. Tell ya. Um, you know, as it suits his needs.
Yes, of course. But yeah, these are like, these are guys with so much money that they can do shit like that. Um, real true power brokers. So for this guy to, you know, pull out like $20,000 or whatever, hand it to his assistant and say, tell her she has the job and then also be like, I am so scared every day of my life.
Yeah, exactly. Uh, so I know, 10. I, you know what you never hear about and what people should be thinking about more, right? When, uh, you know, when you see like somebody win the lottery and then they're like, we were talking about this, like when you win people win the lottery and then they just completely go insane and like piss away at all their money on like the dumbest shit possible and whatever.
You don't ever hear about like some, like, Joe Schmo winning the lottery and then like, uh, you know, like backing political parties for his own gain. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we're all thinking like way too small, I think, as like, I agree with people.
If I were, I got to write that down. If I ever win the lottery, I have to sort of a power network. Yeah. Yeah.
You got it. Like that's, I think that's the best investment, right? It's, it's just holding money over politicians heads. Right.
Absolutely. Yeah. For your own personal game. And you just be like, I want you to do a little dance on the Senate floor today.
Yeah. I don't care what you vote for. I just want you to do a little dance. Do a little fucking dance.
I'm going to be looking to see if you do the Conan O'Brien pretend you have string that stands. Okay. I watched Conan O'Brien was on Hot Ones the other day, which, you know, Hot Ones, I think some of the episodes are like really excellent and some of the people that he has on there like have actual, like Viola Davis episode is episode. She is outstanding and like things that she's talking about are, I think, really, really great advice for people.
The Conan O'Brien one is one of the funniest things ever because it starts off with him saying, you know, he asks like how, how used to you are, tell us. How used to you are? How used to spices are you? And Conan O'Brien said that.
Wow. He's been on camera for years as a podcast, you'd think. Someone with a podcast, you wouldn't be such a musk about that. You wouldn't make that mistake after all of these years.
And Conan O'Brien says, you know, I grew up in an Irish Catholic family. I didn't taste a spice until I was 52 years old, whatever. And then he spends the rest of the episode like taking huge bites and like putting a comical amount of hot sauce on everything. And he's just like, I'm not getting anything.
I don't get anything over here. Like all of the hottest things that are like, on previous episodes of like crippled people and they're like, you know, like, shack has been on there and he's like, I can't do it. And I'm going to ride it. I like picking shack is it's like, he's gigantic.
Yeah. I mean, that was like, not even shack. Not even the biggest man that I could think of. That's like in the 1400s.
He'd be like, uh, yeah, but it's a very like, and he's like rubbing the hot sauce on his face and stuff. Oh my God. And he's just like, I'm getting nothing. He's coming out of his nose and he's like drooling and it's spinning.
I'm going to check this out, I guess. He's wearing, you know, he's wearing like a suit and tie or whatever. And he's just like wiping his hands on the suit and like putting like half eaten wings in his pockets. It's very funny guys.
Guys, a pro. He's a fucking pro. Um, so I asked that we are we probably have like 10 more minutes before break, right? Uh, yeah.
Why do you want to take a break now? No, no, let's get to let's get some good shit in. Okay. Let's get to let's at least get through like the log lady column.
We'll come back to the red room. All right. Yeah. Well, so let's talk about Hawk and the log lady right now.
She, uh, okay. Hawk is, uh, he goes into the woods and, um, you know, we get one of the classic sort of twin peaks shots where it's completely dark and only, you know, you can only see like a small circle of light from a flashlight. So much of the show is lit by flashlights. Yeah.
I mean, so much of this show is about the limits of your perception. What? No, that can't be right. Mm.
All right. I'll back to the drawing board. Yeah. Yeah.
Log lady calls Hawk. Yeah. I have to be. She's not doing well.
Her health is her health is telling, uh, actual rest in peace to the log lady. Yeah. I rescind my OJ rest in peace and I transfer it over to the log lady. All right.
Well, I'm sticking with my RIP, OJ. But so I, so your team OJ on team log lady and listeners out there, how about you weigh in with the hashtag OJ verse log lady, the P the log lady verse OJ Simpson. Right. Orion Murphy production.
Mm. That whole thing's the hashtag. Yeah. Yeah.
And then after he gets a call on his cell from the log lady and, uh, she says the stars turn and time presents itself. And, uh, and she says that she can't go with him, but, uh, she invites him over for coffee and pie and which is nice of her, I think. I thought so. I thought so.
But then, uh, Hawk visits our old friend, the pool of sludge. Yes. The pool of sludge with those trees. Now I'm having grown quite a bit.
Yes. The Sycamore trees there. My, my, how you've grown. And this is Glastonbury Grove.
Is that right? I guess that's what this wiki thing says. Um, and if we click Glastonbury Grove, we will see. Yes, it is.
Yes, of course. Of course. Um, and while Hawk is there, he's like shining a light and we do see like some red curtains. Yeah.
The black lot, the opening of the black lodge kind of presents itself. Yeah. Um, and I assume Hawk can see this, right? That's what I assumed also is that like, because it's, they don't, uh, the curtains aren't super clear.
They are still like a bit transparent. Um, so it doesn't seem like he can walk into it, but it seems like you can see it. Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Cause I'm remembering Truman also sees everything when Cooper actually does go in. Yes. So Hawk would also be able to see it.
Yeah. Um, and then yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, were you going to say more about that scene?
No. I was going to jump over to the diner with Mr. C. I was actually going to save all the Mr.
C and Cooper stuff after the break. I was going to just talk about the one other sort of, um, scene, just like, you know, single scene moment, which is, uh, laid much later on in the episode. We see the outside of the Palmer household and Sarah Palmer is inside and, uh, drinking a lot and smoking our cigarettes and watching, uh, like nature of lions eating water buffalo. Yeah.
Really brutal, fascinating footage. Like, yeah, the way, cause you, you don't think about, you just think about like after they've killed it, but like the process of killing a water buffalo for these lines, one of them's just like riding it, basically trying to take it down. Yeah. Um, and then we get that great shot, um, of her head on with the mirrors behind her and you see the footage in the mirrors.
Yep. But again, just these like slices of it, right? Not the whole picture. Yep.
So, um, and I think with that, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. Uh, and where will we be right back? We're stepping through the green curtain. Yeah, we're stepping through the, we're going to the green room, green, the green lodge.
Yeah. And, uh, and if you also want to step through the green curtains and enter the green lodge, you can do so over at patreon.com slash kingpott and sign up for the $5 a month tier link in the show notes. Yeah. And we'll talk about the content, including the rest of these twin peaks episodes.
Hey. All right. We'll be right back. I'm going to the brown lodge.