Two Michaels return. Where does that leave Canada and China?

Guests: Joanna Chiu and Jeremy Nuttall, Toronto Star reporters covering Canada-China relations After nearly three years, Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, have been freed from Chinese detention. With their release coming in lockstep with the resolution of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou's legal case, many former diplomats and analysts say the ordeal was clear evidence of 'hostage diplomacy.' Joanna Chiu, Toronto Star's Canada-China politics reporter and author of the book China Unbound, and Jeremy Nuttall, investigative reporter for the Toronto Star, join "This Matters" to discuss.