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EPISODE · Apr 11, 2016

TWTS – Understanding Hate

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Welcome. The wide straddle speaks as a series of offerings, merging philosophy, physics, math, biology, psychology, sociology, education, art politics, and even love together. We will explore the patterns of our consciousness as it moves through space and time and use those patterns to better understand and solve our problems in all four dimensions of the universe. Now let's say...

I was just listening to a BBC World discussion on the radio where there were a couple of different discussions. There were a couple of different topics that came right after one right after another on the discussion and you know I'm half asleep. This is three o'clock in the morning and I'm half awake because I've got a stomach ache and although sometimes I'm often awake randomly in the middle of the night. Apparently that's quite normal.

It's something that our bodies normally do, that people don't know about. But anyway, some sort of half awake sort of half thinking about these things and thinking about the philosophy and the psychology and everything of all the news that they're reporting. And the first topic was a guy they were interviewing who had taken up boxing because he had been attacked as he was coming out of a gay bar and was somewhat seriously injured and decided that he wanted to take up boxing as a way to defend himself in case it ever happened again because he was tired of being afraid to go out and enjoy himself apparently. So he'd taken up boxing and was thoroughly enjoying it.

And that got me to thinking of course that as is commonly known but for some reason commonly ignored as well that homophobic folks of the most part, it's pretty well shown psychologically that homophobic folks are in fact themselves at least somewhat homosexual in their tendencies in their thoughts. And that it's a repressive tactic that as is true with most anything, the things you complain about most in others that you lash out about and others behavior is what you dislike in yourself, what you're afraid of in yourself. And it's usually a repressive sort of third person or even second person perspective that has gotten ingrained in your own system that is repressing that so a parent or best friend or the media or something that has told you when you were younger that that behavior is bad, is evil, is wrong and so that you've learned to repress it in yourself. And so when you see someone else expressing that otherwise healthy part of themselves, it gets you very angry.

You're like, well, how was that person allowed to do that? That person can't be allowed to do this behavior that I've been told is wrong and evil and that I've had to repress in myself. So I'm going to repress it in them. I'm going to try to repress them.

So it's just it's a miscommunication or it's a combination of miscommunication and misunderstanding, of course, overall. It's this idea of humanity not being able to really fully understand what it means to be human and what's healthy and normal and reasonable behavior or sense of who one is or whatever you want to call it. As sort of being afraid of reality, the reality that one might actually be homosexual or heterosexual or whatever, whatever you've been taught to be afraid of, whatever shape, size, color, passion in your life is. If you've been taught to believe that that's wrong, then you're going to have a hard time existing in life and that's going to cause frustration in some way and that frustration is going to have to come out in some form or another.

And it can either come out as a form of self-harm or it can come out as a form of other harm. You can repress yourself and harm yourself, punish yourself, or you can want to punish harm, repress someone else. And usually it's an extra both but it tends to come out in one way or another more strongly. So anyway, so I was thinking about all this this idea of hate crimes and the idea that a long time ago I read a study that some scientists had done in faulting button pressing and the strength of the button pressing or something like that.

Anyway, and this all had to do with measuring the differences between emotions that one would have in relation to someone else. And one of the main things that came out of this study was that the way you could break down the expression of hatred was love plus anger. And I would now call it love plus, I wouldn't specifically say anger, although it's a perfectly reasonable term, but I would clarify what that specific anger was, which was that it was a fear of loss or fear of disconnection. That's maybe a better way to put it because there are other things you can be angry about.

And this is a specific kind of anger that goes with hatred or specific kind of negative reaction that comes with hatred. And so yeah, so this study had shown and it's fairly obvious to me once I looked at it, I was like, of course, when you have this hatred, it's this desire to connect, but the inability to connect. And so you end up connecting, it's a positive physical or emotional movement. I mean, you're actually reaching out to someone else.

You know, when you hate someone, it's a very active, forward moving momentum. You know, it's definitely not a retreat. It's definitely not a neutral. So it's actually trying to connect with someone, but doing it, it's otherwise negative.

It's intellectually negative. It's failing to make a connection. It's trying to make connection while also trying to break the connection. So what I tend to think of is, you know, so it's if you think about it literally, when this supposedly homophobic person comes up to, you know, stalk someone coming out of a gay bar and comes up to them.

And of course, this is a man coming up to another man. That's actually, it's actually a homosexual act beating up that gay person. So the man attacking the gay person is expressing homosexual tendencies by wanting to connect with that gay person by fighting them. It's a physical, physical connection, but it's actually touching them.

It's, you know, it's embracing them, you know, getting as close as possible and physically, passionately expressing oneself. So it's this love plus the, you know, whatever you want to call it, the anger, the fear of loss, fear of disconnection, and the frustration that comes with that. So it's this, this most positive and negative thing. It's just the love and the anger or the, you know, the violence, the rage, the repression that comes with that, because the person themselves can't admit that they have these homosexual tendencies.

They have these, this desire to connect with another man. And of course, it may not be full on homosexuality. Did I say heterosexual before? Almost actual.

It may not be full on homosexuality that this person is feeling. And maybe this person is just feeling a normal desire to connect with another male on a, on a, you know, on a friendly basis. We're on a, you know, just a somewhat intimate basis as a deep, you know, physical connection, but not sexual. So, you know, I'm not saying necessarily it's, you know, that person is just straight.

Okay, I'm just saying that they have these tendencies of wanting to connect with another man in some way. And those tendencies have been so repressed in themselves by, again, by their culture, by their parents, whatever, whoever taught them that it was wrong to have a, you know, a loving, you know, joyful physical connection with another man on any level that they've been taught that, and so that they had to repress that in themselves and be violent towards themselves. And now they're just expressing that in the only way that they're bringing can sort out how to do. So yeah, so I was thinking all of this that, that, you know, the person, you know, the guy beating up the other guy for being gay, you know, is that love plus hate, or love, I mean, sorry, it's that hate is the love plus the anger.

I hate crime is love plus the anger. And so I'm thinking all about that. And then I start paying back attention to the radio and on com comes the story about a documentary being released about philosopher Hannah Arendt, who spoke rather critically and rather supposedly controversially about Nazi war crimes, saying that, you know, well, it's not really important what she was saying because I was gone by this point. I was often, but you can explore what that documentary is about if you want an Hannah Arendt and talking about how the Nazis, or this is one specific guy, I can't remember was I coming something like that, didn't actually hate to choose because he actually had a secret mistress who was Jewish.

So he didn't actually hate to choose in the, or he didn't actually, again, the word hate is going to get broken down, but it didn't actually one I'll choose to die, but it's like, I guess that's a way to clarify that. You know, because he obviously didn't want his mistress to die because he loved her. So that that, that, uh, Brian, like, okay, well, here we go again. Here's exactly the same thing.

Um, these, these hate crimes can be broken down into a desire for a connection that love plus an inability to connect and the frustration that comes with that, you know, not knowing how to connect. So that was actually, um, probably all of that, or at least not all of it, but certainly quite a lot of the whole, you know, repression of the Jews and, um, again, homosexuals and others, you know, all the different folks. It wasn't, we always, we always talk just about Jews, um, in the Holocaust, but it was not just Jews. It was many, many different types of, you know, excuse me, different people who were oppressed and killed and otherwise.

Um, so again, it comes back to this hate. It's not just, um, a typical bit of, of violence, you know, it's not this disconnected, impassionate, um, or just, you know, purely if you're a dazed. Um, like if you're being attacked by a, I don't know, a robot or something or a tiger or something, you know, that, that generally have anything to do with you personally. Um, you're just being attacking or defending yourself and you're using violence to do that.

Um, this is a very different thing. Um, in many ways, because it involves this hatred, which, you know, if you're, if you're being attacked by a lion, you don't hate the lion, at least not, you know, immediately. Um, you know, when you're, when you're looking at the lion beforehand, you know, the lion is not attacking you know, maybe you're observing it from a distance or something like that. You know, you don't have this hatred toward you.

You don't have much of any emotion toward it. You know, then like, hi, that's an interesting creature over there. You know, I wonder what it's like, you know, things like that. But then once it starts attacking, you're like, oh, stop this.

Um, but this is a very different thing when you're talking about hate crime, when you're talking about, it's a very passionate thing involving a love. And we tend to ignore this. And it's to our detriment, of course, you know, because when we recognize that, that hate is grounded in love, it's grounded in a dis, the strong desire for connection, strong desire to, to be with this individual or group of people, um, or whatever it is, closely and intimately and really connect with them on a deep level in some way. And not having the ability to do that, thus creating this, this dichotomy, this, you know, repression and frustration and desire to, to both, you know, connect and disconnect at the same time, causing, you know, horrible, horrible kinds of crimes and, and non-crimes, horrible, horrible things, that aren't officially crimes, like, you know, divorce and, and, you know, it's general racism and sexism and, and all of that.

You know, worrying about people going into different bathrooms, you know, that's highly in the news right now with, um, the mid-Atlantic states, I guess, mostly right now, passing laws and saying people have to go into certain bathrooms, you know, based not on what they feel like their gender is, but their driver's license says, like, well, what if you don't have a driver's license? I know I guess there's a birth certificate, what the birth certificate says. Um, but anyway, um, so yes, I think it's really important for us to, to make this more well-known that these hate crimes are in fact based in a, in a strong desire for connection and love and, you know, it's not just, we, we talk so much and it drives me bonkers, you know, so many myths about psychopaths and we say that psychopaths and sociopaths, they have no, they have no ability to empathize or to connect with others and, you know, on an emotional level and, you know, that they don't, they don't have the ability to love and it's like, oh, that is exactly the, the opposite, that these people are desperate to connect and that's why they do these horrible things, that's why they treat people so badly, is because they want to connect and have no idea how to do it and so they've got this economy that's, that's causing them to do these crazy things that make no sense and that's literally why this insanity is caused by, um, you know, two different forces crashing into one another, this, this force of love plus the force of anger or, you know, frustration, fear of loss, um, coming to a head and, and needing to express itself and it, of course, comes out in the most horrible way because, you know, because we're human and we don't know what we're doing and we're very confused and we haven't been taught, you know, how to honestly and openly express ourselves in a healthy way and so I think it's really crucial for us to do that, which is why I came up with my whole speaking up process, um, again, it's, it's not perfect but, you know, it's one of the best things I've seen out there and any suggestions of course for other things, I mean, I've certainly used a variety of different things myself but, um, they don't work, the things that I, that have worked for me necessarily, uh, will not necessarily work for other people because it, and this is again why I came up with this speaking up process because it doesn't speak to people on what level they're at, you know, things that work for me have worked on a level where I'm at but not everyone is at that level, um, you know, and even, but sometimes I'm not at that level and it doesn't work for me, you know, there are plenty of times that, that I'm not able to, to help myself or to have someone else help me, um, so the speaking up process is what I came up with to address that problem of finding people where they are at their level and, and even, even that's being a process, can't address every level because some levels are nonverbal, uh, you know, when you're truly angry, you know, the people literally trying to punch someone else in the face, you know, the homophobic person, the homosexual tendency person who's trying to reverse themselves and attack others, uh, you know, literally at that point is incapable of rational, logical, linguistic conversation, um, and so, you know, my, from a speaking up process, at that point, um, too, damn thing, um, and, you know, sorry, we've, of course, needed people to address those, those nonverbal states as well, I'm probably not the person to do that, and I know it involves, um, the whole, the PTSD, um, the most effective thing I've seen that comes out of the research about that is the, is the need for people to, uh, to actually go through the motions of what they want to do, of what their instinctive behavior is, of, as violent as it needs to be, well, essentially, you know, the, as, as violent as it needs to be on the internal side of things, not necessarily on the external side, so the ability to punch something, um, the ability to act out, to express that, that physical, um, you know, pushing away while pulling towards motions, kinds of thing, uh, but, but doing that, you know, way that doesn't actually, you know, cause any serious harm, um, so, again, that's, you know, the punching the pillow that sort of thing, but it obviously doesn't work quite as well, but, again, this is not my forte, there are other people who have researched this and should research this, more, more carefully, and again, that, that goes back to a lot of reasons why, um, the guy had taken up boxing in the first place, uh, the guy who had been attacked took up boxing because he wasn't able to fight back at the time, his story, he said he wasn't, you know, he didn't fight back at all, apparently, he just kind of laid there into it, um, and so probably doing the boxing was allowed him to, not get PTSD or at least overcome it by going out there and actually doing something, uh, that expressed what his body had wanted to do at the time, so, you know, there's, there's, there's people who need to research that and work on that end of things, and my end of things is on the, the more, after the fact, the more logical, thoughtful, emotional, psychological end of where we tell our stories and recreate the narrative in our own heads and express that to the world so that we can clarify who we are and what we want and move forward and have, have goals that help us direct where we, you know, how we make choices and where we go in life, uh, so that's what my speaking up process is. Anyway, um, I guess I've rambled on enough and I hope you explore these ideas of, you know, what hate crimes and what psychopathians, sociopathy and all of these things really are their heart, which is a combination of, of a positive wanting to connect love, emotion combined with a, a fear-based anger, frustration, um, sense of loss at wanting to connect and not being able to do it for some reason.

So it's, it's a very important combination of those two things. It's not just, you know, anger, it's not just pure negative violence, there's actually a very positive, beautiful element to it that is, that needs to be addressed. If we ever want to solve these problems, am I speaking up processes, an attempt to help solve those problems? And if you're interested in learning about that, I will have links, obviously, on my blog, which you can find at by going to www.turlt-u-r-i-l.org, so that's, um, gonna send you to my blog at my WordPress or wherever it happens to be hosted at the time.

And, um, you can also email me by contacting me at thewiseturtle-at-gmail.com, so that's T-H-E-W-I-S-E, T-U-R-T-L-E, at gmailg-m-a-i-l.com. And you can also find me over on Reddit, which is where I tend to spend most of my time wanting to get online if I have enough time to do other stuff and get into conversations. And my username at Reddit is turlt-r-i-l, and so you can find me by going to www.redit.com.com. user-us-er-s-r-turl-t-r-i-l.

And I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks a lot. Thanks for listening. Namaste.

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